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OBJ is unstable

BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:35 am
If he played for another team, we would be ripping him to pieces. He's our guy, though, so his behavior is 'refreshing' and 'needed'. He wants to win so bad he....he.....fought the kicker's net and got beat up. Way to feed the meme machine.

Dez does that and we crucify him. OBJ does it and we laud his 'fire'. The dude is a great player, but there is some serious roid rage there.

I want to win and was pissed as I sat in traffic for two hours lamenting the loss. But show some class, not your ass.

And his drop on 2nd and 10 when he could have just caught the ball that was in both hands late in the game on a crucial drive is one of the reasons the Giants lost (among many). He makes that catch and we are at worst at 3rd and 5. Shepard catches the next pass for 8 and now we are a 4th and 2 and we kick the FG. Crucial drop in a key situation on a well thrown ball by Eli. Sometimes just catching the ball is the big play.

Top tier talent. But you can't deny the cat is off.

This thread should go off the rails quickly.
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I don't mind that he wants to win  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 2:38 am : link
And who cares about "feeding the meme machine"?

This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.
RE: I don't mind that he wants to win  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:39 am : link
In comment 13142664 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And who cares about "feeding the meme machine"?

This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.


Never said the game came down to his drop. But you can't deny it killed a drive.
It did.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 2:42 am : link
But the defense was the real culprit. They went to pieces in the 4th.

And, the two drives killed by interceptions.
Frankly I think Dez get's too much shit here  
chris r : 9/26/2016 2:42 am : link
and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?
RE: RE: I don't mind that he wants to win  
Modus Operandi : 9/26/2016 2:43 am : link
In comment 13142665 BlueGuy said:
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And who cares about "feeding the meme machine"?

This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.



Never said the game came down to his drop. But you can't deny it killed a drive.


Do you know of a top tier WR who never drops balls? I dont.
I'll agree that he looked ridiculous  
illmatic : 9/26/2016 2:43 am : link
on the sidelines with his behavior and that he's obviously letting the attention of the Norman feud get into his head. He's freaking out on the sidelines because he wants to win this matchup so badly. But... he's hardly the reason that the Giants lost today. You can name 20 things that hurt the team today more than his drops or antics did. He does need to harness his emotions though. If he could turn all of that emotion into a controlled rage like Jordan said he did, he would be even more amazing.
RE: Frankly I think Dez get's too much shit here  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:45 am : link
In comment 13142667 chris r said:
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?


We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.

Double standard.
If many of our players played for other teams  
Mason : 9/26/2016 2:45 am : link
we would be ripping a lot more than we do here. What's the point?
The standard we hold him to cannot be  
BlackLight : 9/26/2016 2:45 am : link
'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.
RE: I'll agree that he looked ridiculous  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:47 am : link
In comment 13142669 illmatic said:
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on the sidelines with his behavior and that he's obviously letting the attention of the Norman feud get into his head. He's freaking out on the sidelines because he wants to win this matchup so badly. But... he's hardly the reason that the Giants lost today. You can name 20 things that hurt the team today more than his drops or antics did. He does need to harness his emotions though. If he could turn all of that emotion into a controlled rage like Jordan said he did, he would be even more amazing.


For the guy who is supposed to best ever, he drops a lot of balls in key situations. Balls that are in his hands. Carolina last year. Last week. This game late on a crucial drive.

Dude is talented. But he doesn't have to win the game by himself. He makes that catch and this game turns out differently, IMO. That's all I'm saying.
RE: RE: Frankly I think Dez get's too much shit here  
chris r : 9/26/2016 2:48 am : link
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?



We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.

Double standard.


Again. People saying stupid stuff about opposing players they hate doesn't mean it's bad when Beckham does that stuff. Norman cares. Dez cares. OBJ cares. As long as that behavior doesn't cost the team - and OBJ's sideline antics didn't - who cares?

I can't tell if your point is more that BBI has double standards or that OBJ is doing something bad for the team.
You care way too much about what people think about him  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:49 am : link
That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.
RE: The standard we hold him to cannot be  
chris r : 9/26/2016 2:49 am : link
In comment 13142672 BlackLight said:
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.


Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.
Who gives a shit if it's a double standard?  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:50 am : link
Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:51 am : link
In comment 13142675 chris r said:
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?



We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.

Double standard.



Again. People saying stupid stuff about opposing players they hate doesn't mean it's bad when Beckham does that stuff. Norman cares. Dez cares. OBJ cares. As long as that behavior doesn't cost the team - and OBJ's sideline antics didn't - who cares?

I can't tell if your point is more that BBI has double standards or that OBJ is doing something bad for the team.


Both. Equally.
RE: You care way too much about what people think about him  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:51 am : link
In comment 13142676 BestFeature said:
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.


Show some class.
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BlackLight : 9/26/2016 2:51 am : link
In comment 13142677 chris r said:
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.



Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.


You'll see. Eventually.
People really need to get off their high horse  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:52 am : link
You guys having a giant stick up your ass about everything doesn't make you better people. It's fucking pathetic. If you think OBJ is embarrassing the franchise or something, I think you're embarrassing this fan base. A bunch of old fogies yelling at the sky.
RE: Who gives a shit if it's a double standard?  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:52 am : link
In comment 13142678 BestFeature said:
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.


So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.
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BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:53 am : link
In comment 13142680 BlueGuy said:
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.



Show some class.


I'll show some class after you stop with your sanctimonious bullshit.
RE: RE: I'll agree that he looked ridiculous  
Mason : 9/26/2016 2:54 am : link
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on the sidelines with his behavior and that he's obviously letting the attention of the Norman feud get into his head. He's freaking out on the sidelines because he wants to win this matchup so badly. But... he's hardly the reason that the Giants lost today. You can name 20 things that hurt the team today more than his drops or antics did. He does need to harness his emotions though. If he could turn all of that emotion into a controlled rage like Jordan said he did, he would be even more amazing.



For the guy who is supposed to best ever, he drops a lot of balls in key situations. Balls that are in his hands. Carolina last year. Last week. This game late on a crucial drive.

Dude is talented. But he doesn't have to win the game by himself. He makes that catch and this game turns out differently, IMO. That's all I'm saying.


Giants final drive ended on an interception where the intercepting player said after the game both he and Vereen were shocked that the ball was thrown there. They were only 20 yards from FG range with about 58 seconds with two timeouts. Don't overthink it.
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BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:55 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.


Yes, those kids have parents that can prevent them from watching if they so please. This is a game with grown men running at each other at full speed and shortening each other's lives and you're upset that a kid will see him show a little emotion on the sideline?
RE: People really need to get off their high horse  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:55 am : link
In comment 13142682 BestFeature said:
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You guys having a giant stick up your ass about everything doesn't make you better people. It's fucking pathetic. If you think OBJ is embarrassing the franchise or something, I think you're embarrassing this fan base. A bunch of old fogies yelling at the sky.


He flat out embarrassed the franchise last year. It was a disgrace the way he headhunted Norman. If you don't think so, then your 'new skool cool'. And you have no idea how old I am. But if showing some decorum is 'old fogie' shit, I'm in.
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chris r : 9/26/2016 2:58 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.


Oh no, he punched a net. My kids are going to become murders!
RE: RE: People really need to get off their high horse  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:58 am : link
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You guys having a giant stick up your ass about everything doesn't make you better people. It's fucking pathetic. If you think OBJ is embarrassing the franchise or something, I think you're embarrassing this fan base. A bunch of old fogies yelling at the sky.



He flat out embarrassed the franchise last year. It was a disgrace the way he headhunted Norman. If you don't think so, then your 'new skool cool'. And you have no idea how old I am. But if showing some decorum is 'old fogie' shit, I'm in.


He was wrong in that game, but Norman doesn't get any blame here? And we're talking about today, I don't give a shit about last year. OBJ wasn't the one practically body slamming Norman in this game.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:59 am : link
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.



Show some class.



I'll show some class after you stop with your sanctimonious bullshit.


I meant OBJ should show some class. You're really on the dilsnick hard there, bruh. if I was the only one saying this, maybe it would be sanctimonious. But I'm not, I assure you.
Enough of this horseshit already.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/26/2016 3:12 am : link
Odell is not going anywhere, so if it's too much for you to handle or if you're that worried about "the children", go root for another team.

I'm sure Julian Edelman is very classy.

But if your complaints are strictly about on the field performance, then you don't have anything to worry about. Antonio Bryant and Dez Bryant caught zero passes when being defended by Josh Norman. Odell had a terrific game... not perfect, but still excellent nonetheless.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 3:49 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.



Oh no, he punched a net. My kids are going to become murders!


Wow.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 3:50 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.



Yes, those kids have parents that can prevent them from watching if they so please. This is a game with grown men running at each other at full speed and shortening each other's lives and you're upset that a kid will see him show a little emotion on the sideline?


A little emotion? Boy, if he really went off, we're all in trouble.
Yeah, he is the essence of stablility.  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:33 am : link
Dude's got issues.
ODELL BECKHAM JR CRIES, TELLS TEAMMATES TO “GET THE F— UP” DURING SIDELINE TIRADE - ( New Window )
Didnt see  
micky : 9/26/2016 5:42 am : link
Did the net win? Did it go at least a couple of rds. Entertainment..thats what its all about.
"Just happy we won..."  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:42 am : link
Whoa.


Giants' Odell Beckham Jr. nearly cries after win vs. San Francisco 49ers - ( New Window )
He could benefit from some counseling.  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 5:51 am : link
His passion is great. You love to see it. But he comes completely unhinged.

No jokes here. The crying is a bit much.

Some of you guys justifying his unhinged behavior, even after team leaders attempted to reason with him (including Eli) ... Just very surprising.
RE: He could benefit from some counseling.  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:56 am : link
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His passion is great. You love to see it. But he comes completely unhinged.

No jokes here. The crying is a bit much.

Some of you guys justifying his unhinged behavior, even after team leaders attempted to reason with him (including Eli) ... Just very surprising.


Exactly, Beez. No one is denying his ability. He's an amazing athlete. But he's also nutty like a squirrel turd, at times. Norman cries after losing the biggest game of his and he's a bitch. OBJ cries after game 3 of the regular season and he's 'passionate'.

Fine line between passionate and unstable.
RE: Didnt see  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:58 am : link
In comment 13142709 micky said:
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Did the net win? Did it go at least a couple of rds. Entertainment..thats what its all about.


Ask and you shall receive.
Crying Odell Beckham Jr. punches kicking net, which punches back - ( New Window )
Ya know what I really like about him?  
Glover : 9/26/2016 6:05 am : link
I like when he catches a ton of passes for a shitload of yards and a couple TDs. He's capable of doing that every game. I dont give a fuck if he is a crybaby, if he's feminine, if he's imbalanced, or unbalanced, if he supports Trump, I don care, as long as he doesnt break the law and can practice and play, I'm good.
My 18-year-old son  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 6:06 am : link
Texted me to ask WTF was up with Odell crying on the sideline.

One way or another, if the organization is not already trying to counsel him, they should. They counsel guys on money, and behavior away from the field. Isn't there a seminar for the new guys? The organization should try to help him. He won't lose talent or passion. lol. Hell just MAYBE learn how to better control his emotions.

Did it alter the outcome? I don't know. Those saying it didn't can't claim that, imo. His behavior was a distraction and compelled others in uniform to address it when they could have had their attention elsewhere. Wasted time and attention there.

I hope the organization addresses this, quietly and internally. Not from a punishment standpoint. But from a position of caring and helping this toynf star get his act together, to be less of a distraction, and to better be able to stay focused during potentially emotional moments on the field.
RE: My 18-year-old son  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 6:09 am : link
In comment 13142721 Beezer said:
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Texted me to ask WTF was up with Odell crying on the sideline.

One way or another, if the organization is not already trying to counsel him, they should. They counsel guys on money, and behavior away from the field. Isn't there a seminar for the new guys? The organization should try to help him. He won't lose talent or passion. lol. Hell just MAYBE learn how to better control his emotions.

Did it alter the outcome? I don't know. Those saying it didn't can't claim that, imo. His behavior was a distraction and compelled others in uniform to address it when they could have had their attention elsewhere. Wasted time and attention there.

I hope the organization addresses this, quietly and internally. Not from a punishment standpoint. But from a position of caring and helping this toynf star get his act together, to be less of a distraction, and to better be able to stay focused during potentially emotional moments on the field.


Bing! Bing! Bing! We have a winner!!
Harry Carson more than once  
joeinpa : 9/26/2016 6:35 am : link
Tore up a locker room at half time souring the Giants onto a win. He was lauded for being a great leader. The kid is a competitor with a fierce drive to win. Sometimes he acts immature, so what.

It means nothing he will outgrow that stuff. Giants feed off his energy
I honestly don't care.  
Gmen703 : 9/26/2016 6:45 am : link
Did he harm someone? Was he penalize for it? Did it affect his play negatively? Did he rape, murder, DUI kill someone?

As a fan, I do think his tirade was bizarre. He expends a ton on energy on the sidelines. Yet, if his teammates don't mind and the coach doesn't mind and the refs aren't throwing flags, I'm not sure that I really care.
Wow!  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 6:46 am : link
Extreme opinions on either side. Such is BBI. Great post by OP and Beezer, you nailed it! I don't understand why everyone feels compelled to first say how they love the passion of OBJ and then add the proverbial "but". Probably because they will get shamed for not being a Giants fan. Again such is BBI. He does have a problem though and it could very well hurt the team in the future. Whether he likes it or not (and he absolutely relishes it) he IS a role model and needs to be more professional and that doesn't mean he needs to reel in his "passion" just channel it in a more positive way.
What is it about receivers that makes them so prone to jackass-ness?  
exiled : 9/26/2016 6:55 am : link
It's like part of the position, along with big hands and vertical leap?
Holy shit!!  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 6:59 am : link
You're comparing Harry Carson to OBJ? Harry was a true leader and greatly respected by his teammates and whatever "antics" he did, he did it in the confines of the locker room NOT in public. You call that leadership? Carson was a team captain. Is OBJ? It all about setting the example but again this is BBI and I am not surprised by the folks who just blow it off.
Richburg gets thrown out of the game  
Shirk130 : 9/26/2016 7:08 am : link
and you decide to go after OBJ. hmmm.
Is he a "cancer"? NO!! Does help help the team win? HELL YEAH  
GloryDayz : 9/26/2016 7:09 am : link
I couldnt care less how other players, fans or the media feel about him.

And I think Giants coaching staff are partly to blame. If they got him involved early, this wouldnt have happened, not to mention they could have probably won the game.
RE: What is it about receivers that makes them so prone to jackass-ness?  
gmenatlarge : 9/26/2016 7:10 am : link
In comment 13142737 exiled said:
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It's like part of the position, along with big hands and vertical leap?

It's prevalent throughout the NFL, the "diva" syndrome, it's hey look at me even when I'm on the sideline nonsense.
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Mason : 9/26/2016 7:16 am : link
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It's like part of the position, along with big hands and vertical leap?


It's basically because they want to punch their QBs in the face but know they can't. Receivers have talked about this before.
Holy shit  
giantsfan44ab : 9/26/2016 7:18 am : link
Do some of you sound worse than that mother who took her daughter to a Titans-Panthers game and wrote a letter to Cam.

I'm sorry, but if you're expecting athletes to be role models and raise your children, then there are deeper underlying issues here.
I watched the game with Richburg's aunt  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:18 am : link
and she was fucking pissed as was I BUT this thread is about OBJ. Let's try to keep on topic folks.
No one is  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:23 am : link
"expecting" him to be a role model, he just is. Have you been following OBJ's trip to London? His popularity is off the charts and the role model thing pretty much comes with it.
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