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OBJ is unstable

BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:35 am
If he played for another team, we would be ripping him to pieces. He's our guy, though, so his behavior is 'refreshing' and 'needed'. He wants to win so bad he....he.....fought the kicker's net and got beat up. Way to feed the meme machine.

Dez does that and we crucify him. OBJ does it and we laud his 'fire'. The dude is a great player, but there is some serious roid rage there.

I want to win and was pissed as I sat in traffic for two hours lamenting the loss. But show some class, not your ass.

And his drop on 2nd and 10 when he could have just caught the ball that was in both hands late in the game on a crucial drive is one of the reasons the Giants lost (among many). He makes that catch and we are at worst at 3rd and 5. Shepard catches the next pass for 8 and now we are a 4th and 2 and we kick the FG. Crucial drop in a key situation on a well thrown ball by Eli. Sometimes just catching the ball is the big play.

Top tier talent. But you can't deny the cat is off.

This thread should go off the rails quickly.
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RE: Harry Carson more than once  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 9/26/2016 7:24 am : link
In comment 13142726 joeinpa said:
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Tore up a locker room at half time souring the Giants onto a win. He was lauded for being a great leader. The kid is a competitor with a fierce drive to win. Sometimes he acts immature, so what.

It means nothing he will outgrow that stuff. Giants feed off his energy


Harry Carson did it behind closed doors . No comparison .
RE: I watched the game with Richburg's aunt  
giantsfan44ab : 9/26/2016 7:25 am : link
In comment 13142753 Kivorka said:
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and she was fucking pissed as was I BUT this thread is about OBJ. Let's try to keep on topic folks.


Hmm why? Because Richburg's antics don't fit your argument.

Give me a fucking break. This is ridiculous.
In the military  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:28 am : link
We had a saying; "criticize in private and praise in public". Harry epitomized that. Great leader, great player and great Giant. Love to hear his take on OBJ.
....  
christian : 9/26/2016 7:29 am : link
You're right. We should definitely cut him now when we have the chance.
We are talking about  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:32 am : link
OBJ's antics on the field and his behavior. Did you read the thread from the beginning it just the first comment then directly to "submit?" Try and keep up.
RE: We are talking about  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 7:35 am : link
In comment 13142769 Kivorka said:
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OBJ's antics on the field and his behavior. Did you read the thread from the beginning it just the first comment then directly to "submit?" Try and keep up.


Idk, reads to me the OP is calling out the fans for being hypocrites as OBJ gets a pass while if this was Dez we could ridicule him.
Again  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:38 am : link
extreme reactions. Who said anything or suggested cutting him? Why would you say something like that? Follow the thread. Read every reply, comprehend what you read and then take a minute BEFORE you reply. It's very easy to do. Try it and you'll be amazed at the replies.
He needs to manage the anger  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 7:45 am : link
Without losing his intensity. If we had 52 guys who cared as much as Odell we would be in great shape.

But we are lucky to have him he is an elite receiver
Giants2012  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:47 am : link
Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
RE: RE: The standard we hold him to cannot be  
Rick5 : 9/26/2016 7:53 am : link
In comment 13142677 chris r said:
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.



Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.

Agreed. It's irrelevant. I don't have a clue why this sort of stuff bothers anyone in the slighest. He does more good than bad for the giants by a ridiculously wide margin.
RE: Giants2012  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 7:55 am : link
In comment 13142790 Kivorka said:
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival
RE: Richburg gets thrown out of the game  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 7:59 am : link
In comment 13142744 Shirk130 said:
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and you decide to go after OBJ. hmmm.
+1
I think everyone is full of it...  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:00 am : link
and it might be my fault. I just might lack enough empathy for kicking nets. My own character flaw. Do kicking nets lives matter?

What I didn't see with OBJ though, which I saw many times with Dez and others, were arguments with teammates, finger pointing, yelling at coaches...I saw a shot of Eli going up to him and speaking with him and OBJ calmly answering back. I saw him speaking calmly and (I assume) rationally with his position coach. If people want to make metaphors, what I saw was much more Paul O'Neill than Dez Bryant.

As penance for my callous personality though, I will make a small donation to the "Dave the Kicking Nets Fund". I hope that will mollify y'all.
Dang, I should have read Rick5 more carefully  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:01 am : link
before making the O'Neill analogy.
Odell is not a team player  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:01 am : link
period. I think it's just his personality and it's not going to change. When you are around the ultimate team players in Manning and Cruz day in and day out and nothing rubs off you might be a lost cause. He doesn't understand that he's been Tebow'd by ESPN. The guy hasn't accomplished anything in the game yet, that should be his only focus. He's proven time and again that he cannot be "the man" on an NFL football team - at least as it pertains to winning. It's time for him to accept the fact that his perfect role is to be a move the chains guy a la Steve Smith and give up the glory to Sheppard and Smith, but I cannot see any world where his ego allows that to happen.
um, BLacklight that is  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:02 am : link
it's....Monday.
I meant  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:03 am : link
Sheppard and Cruz, I wish we had Smith back, probably my favorite Giant of all time.
Already set s ton of records  
PhilSimms15 : 9/26/2016 8:07 am : link
And Odell is a top 10 guy in the NFL. And he has not killed anyone, beat anyone, been arrests for DWI, etc.

Yes he is emotional. Who cares.

Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.

This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
Already set s ton of records  
PhilSimms15 : 9/26/2016 8:08 am : link
And Odell is a top 10 guy in the NFL. And he has not killed anyone, beat anyone, been arrests for DWI, etc.

Yes he is emotional. Who cares.

Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.

This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
RE: Odell is not a team player  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:08 am : link
In comment 13142814 GentleGiant said:
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period. I think it's just his personality and it's not going to change. When you are around the ultimate team players in Manning and Cruz day in and day out and nothing rubs off you might be a lost cause. He doesn't understand that he's been Tebow'd by ESPN. The guy hasn't accomplished anything in the game yet, that should be his only focus. He's proven time and again that he cannot be "the man" on an NFL football team - at least as it pertains to winning. It's time for him to accept the fact that his perfect role is to be a move the chains guy a la Steve Smith and give up the glory to Sheppard and Smith, but I cannot see any world where his ego allows that to happen.
everything in your post is wrong. He's more jerry rice than Steve smith
You can't be as good as he is  
chuckydee9 : 9/26/2016 8:08 am : link
And not have insane competitive drive...
The guy is passionate, I'll give him that  
AnyoneButPhilly : 9/26/2016 8:09 am : link
I could do without the sideline meltdowns but that's what you get when you have a competitor like that. Dez does it too but he's usually invisible on the field
Odell is  
Rick5 : 9/26/2016 8:10 am : link
not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
RE: You can't be as good as he is  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:11 am : link
In comment 13142832 chuckydee9 said:
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And not have insane competitive drive...
I think that's an important point. Everybody wants the great on-field outcome but if the passion and drive are what gets you to that outcome, then you have to take one with the other.

And honestly, I don't get the people who want players who don't care. I've seen a lot of teams just mail it in; it's not a pleasant sight.
RE: RE: Giants2012  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 8:13 am : link
In comment 13142796 Les in TO said:
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In comment 13142790 Kivorka said:


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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!

he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival


The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.

So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
He just wants to win  
Rflairr : 9/26/2016 8:13 am : link
We could have used a few more like him yesterday
RE: Odell is  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:22 am : link
In comment 13142836 Rick5 said:
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
he practices with Eli and his teammates in the offseason gave everyone on the team beats headphones Etc he doesn't call out coaches and teammates like Dez or TO

People who say he's a bad teammate probably have never played a team sport before
RE: Odell is  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13142836 Rick5 said:
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.


A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
RE: RE: RE: Giants2012  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13142843 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 13142796 Les in TO said:


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In comment 13142790 Kivorka said:


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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!

he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival



The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.

So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
you've never seen a baseball player throw or smash something in a clubhouse before. I'll take 52 Odell's over 52 guys who play like passionless Soviet hockey player robots all day everyday
RE: RE: Odell is  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:26 am : link
In comment 13142858 GentleGiant said:
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In comment 13142836 Rick5 said:


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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.



A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
that doesn't make him a bad teammate. He made a fixable error one made in the hopes of helping his team score and win.
Larry Fitzgerald has passion and drive.  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 8:27 am : link
Antonio Brown has passion and drive.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.

No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.

It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.

I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.

I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.

I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?

Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?

I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.

Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.
RE: RE: Odell is  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:28 am : link
In comment 13142858 GentleGiant said:
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In comment 13142836 Rick5 said:


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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.



A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
This is a ridiculous post.
I also believe he's a great teammate.  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 8:29 am : link
One of the guys. In it with them. Supportive and supportive.

The crazed antics, though, are more a hindrance to the team than they are any sort of help.
By gentle giants definition of bad teammate  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:29 am : link
Eli is a bad teammate for throwing two picks Vernon is a bad teammate for the personal foul on cousins Richburg is a bad teammate for getting ejected. Anyone who makes any mistake on the field is a bad teammate
***  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 8:31 am : link
Supportive and supported. (meant to type)
RE: Larry Fitzgerald has passion and drive.  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 8:31 am : link
In comment 13142866 Beezer said:
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Antonio Brown has passion and drive.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.

No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.

It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.

I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.

I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.

I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?

Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?

I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.

Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.


Nice job

He  
AcidTest : 9/26/2016 8:35 am : link
and Norman are very emotional. That can be beneficial and detrimental, depending on the moment. He wants to win, but can lose focus. I do agree that he does way too much dancing and prancing, even by today's standards in the NFL. He is a prima donna.
Showing fire and emotion is nothing new, OBJ is just the millennial  
Ben in Tampa : 9/26/2016 8:41 am : link
version of it. That's not a knock, either.
Sorry....  
Kanavis : 9/26/2016 8:42 am : link
I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.
Odell was the best player  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/26/2016 8:47 am : link
on the field for the Giants yesterday dominating his one-on-one matchup with Norman, and you're singling him out after the loss? And that was with the Redskins CB2 and CB3 out of the game?

Your sitting in traffic for two hours let your mind take you to some absurd places.
Passion  
Tom in DC : 9/26/2016 8:48 am : link
ODB walks (and sometimes crosses) the line between playing with passion and poor sportsmanship. Jeremy Shocky and Brandon Jacobs are two recent examples of this.
so much stupid on this thread  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 8:48 am : link
an earlier poster said it best, Giants fans want their cake while eating it too. Beckham is who he is and we are an infinitely better team with him on the field. There's a whole list of guys who handle themselves better, and there's a whole list of guys who handle themselves worse.

We lost yesterday due to a slew of reasons, the main being the bad penalties, hurt secondary, and a really stupid throw by Eli. If Beckham wasn't on the field in the 4th quarter we didn't stand much of a chance. With him we did what we wants (and should have been doing all game) and it ended on a really boneheaded decision.
Kid play with his heart  
bronxgiant : 9/26/2016 8:52 am : link
and he is unstable. Relax and enjoy the passion to be better that the kid shows. He does not want to lose and his emotion drives him. Everyone is not wired the same way yet we would want to give him (verbal or otherwise) medication to calm the very thing that gives us fans so much pleasure.
not sure people know what unstable means  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 8:54 am : link
but alright, whatever label gets you through the day.
Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Greg from LI : 9/26/2016 8:57 am : link
He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.
RE: I also believe he's a great teammate.  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:58 am : link
In comment 13142869 Beezer said:
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One of the guys. In it with them. Supportive and supportive.
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That's the biggest problem. He IS the team leader, more importantly, he's the team emotional leader, someone players like Sheppard obviously look up to. When he loses it, the entire team loses their mental edge. From Sheppard jawing with Norman after the over the middle hit to Richburg getting ejected protecting him. OBJ doesn't understand the responsibility that he has on this team. I wish this wasn't the case but young people always seem to value flash over substance.
do you really believe that?  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 9:00 am : link
or is what actually happened what you should believe? Because I saw an "unstable" player lead us in marching down the field with his teammates blowing it. If him playing at the peak of his game doesn't raise the bar for his teammates, than that's on them. Stop making excuses for the team, they didn't execute and it has nothing to do with what Beckham did or didn't do on the sidelines.
RE: I watched the game with Richburg's aunt  
montanagiant : 9/26/2016 9:13 am : link
In comment 13142753 Kivorka said:
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and she was fucking pissed as was I BUT this thread is about OBJ. Let's try to keep on topic folks.

Suuuuuure you did.
Beckham isn't the sole reason they lost, but it's hard not to think  
Victor in CT : 9/26/2016 9:14 am : link
he has a screw loose after watching that tirade.
the bigger issue though is that he dropped another gimme  
Victor in CT : 9/26/2016 9:15 am : link
as the OP pointed out
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