If he played for another team, we would be ripping him to pieces. He's our guy, though, so his behavior is 'refreshing' and 'needed'. He wants to win so bad he....he.....fought the kicker's net and got beat up. Way to feed the meme machine.
Dez does that and we crucify him. OBJ does it and we laud his 'fire'. The dude is a great player, but there is some serious roid rage there.
I want to win and was pissed as I sat in traffic for two hours lamenting the loss. But show some class, not your ass.
And his drop on 2nd and 10 when he could have just caught the ball that was in both hands late in the game on a crucial drive is one of the reasons the Giants lost (among many). He makes that catch and we are at worst at 3rd and 5. Shepard catches the next pass for 8 and now we are a 4th and 2 and we kick the FG. Crucial drop in a key situation on a well thrown ball by Eli. Sometimes just catching the ball is the big play.
Top tier talent. But you can't deny the cat is off.
This thread should go off the rails quickly.
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It means nothing he will outgrow that stuff. Giants feed off his energy
Harry Carson did it behind closed doors . No comparison .
Hmm why? Because Richburg's antics don't fit your argument.
Give me a fucking break. This is ridiculous.
Idk, reads to me the OP is calling out the fans for being hypocrites as OBJ gets a pass while if this was Dez we could ridicule him.
But we are lucky to have him he is an elite receiver
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.
No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.
Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.
Agreed. It's irrelevant. I don't have a clue why this sort of stuff bothers anyone in the slighest. He does more good than bad for the giants by a ridiculously wide margin.
What I didn't see with OBJ though, which I saw many times with Dez and others, were arguments with teammates, finger pointing, yelling at coaches...I saw a shot of Eli going up to him and speaking with him and OBJ calmly answering back. I saw him speaking calmly and (I assume) rationally with his position coach. If people want to make metaphors, what I saw was much more Paul O'Neill than Dez Bryant.
As penance for my callous personality though, I will make a small donation to the "Dave the Kicking Nets Fund". I hope that will mollify y'all.
Yes he is emotional. Who cares.
Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.
This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
Yes he is emotional. Who cares.
Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.
This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
And honestly, I don't get the people who want players who don't care. I've seen a lot of teams just mail it in; it's not a pleasant sight.
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival
The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.
So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
People who say he's a bad teammate probably have never played a team sport before
A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival
The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.
So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.
No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.
It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.
I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.
I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.
I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?
Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?
I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.
Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
The crazed antics, though, are more a hindrance to the team than they are any sort of help.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.
No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.
It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.
I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.
I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.
I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?
Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?
I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.
Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.
Nice job
Your sitting in traffic for two hours let your mind take you to some absurd places.
We lost yesterday due to a slew of reasons, the main being the bad penalties, hurt secondary, and a really stupid throw by Eli. If Beckham wasn't on the field in the 4th quarter we didn't stand much of a chance. With him we did what we wants (and should have been doing all game) and it ended on a really boneheaded decision.
That's the biggest problem. He IS the team leader, more importantly, he's the team emotional leader, someone players like Sheppard obviously look up to. When he loses it, the entire team loses their mental edge. From Sheppard jawing with Norman after the over the middle hit to Richburg getting ejected protecting him. OBJ doesn't understand the responsibility that he has on this team. I wish this wasn't the case but young people always seem to value flash over substance.
Suuuuuure you did.