If he played for another team, we would be ripping him to pieces. He's our guy, though, so his behavior is 'refreshing' and 'needed'. He wants to win so bad he....he.....fought the kicker's net and got beat up. Way to feed the meme machine.
Dez does that and we crucify him. OBJ does it and we laud his 'fire'. The dude is a great player, but there is some serious roid rage there.
I want to win and was pissed as I sat in traffic for two hours lamenting the loss. But show some class, not your ass.
And his drop on 2nd and 10 when he could have just caught the ball that was in both hands late in the game on a crucial drive is one of the reasons the Giants lost (among many). He makes that catch and we are at worst at 3rd and 5. Shepard catches the next pass for 8 and now we are a 4th and 2 and we kick the FG. Crucial drop in a key situation on a well thrown ball by Eli. Sometimes just catching the ball is the big play.
Top tier talent. But you can't deny the cat is off.
This thread should go off the rails quickly.
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Some of you don't deserve to watch this guy every Sunday. The nitpicking I read around here about him annoys the hell out of me sometimes, and I feel as if there is a distinct general profile for those who engage in that pastime. White male, usually older, possibly (but not definitely) a wee bit racist. You don't deserve him.
The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.
So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
you've never seen a baseball player throw or smash something in a clubhouse before. I'll take 52 Odell's over 52 guys who play like passionless Soviet hockey player robots all day everyday
Wow, you missed the point.
It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
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I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.
It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
So we expect guys who put their bodies on the line and put all that work in to achieve greatness to be classy in defeat at all times, but yet we are posting threads questioning their sanity amongst other judgmental gems that we see on here after a loss?
Don't get me wrong, I do think that Odell has to do a better job remaining composed and I can see how that can create issues for him and the team, but let's relax with the high horse shit, fellas. Yes, we would kill him if he was on the other team, but fan bases always look for a reason to shit on an opposing team/player. I mean, seriously. People need to record themselves watching the game and see if they are as classy as they are asking their players to be.
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If not winning makes him cry out of frustration, we'll likely be seeing it fairly often because the Giants are a middling team at best and there are going to be many more frustrating moments.
When has Beckham ever marched the Giants down the field to victory? Give me a single big win that he has ever been a part of in a Giant uniform? Cruz has given the Giants victory in the face of defeat 2x this year. When has OBJ done that once for the Giants? Do a Google search for OBJ game winning catch and the only thing that comes up is his one handed catch against the Cowboys, anyone remember who actually won that game? Then do a search for Victor Cruz game winning catch, you'll game a page full of different catches.
He was either mad at Eli for throwing away from him (and throwing a pick), mad at Tye for lazily getting undercut, or just mad at the lost opportunity. That was not a case of a player being harder on himself than his teammates.
It's not a huge problem, but the idea that plenty of people on this site wouldn't be celebrating and acting like the guy was a problem if that were Jamison Crowder and the Giants had won is ridiculous.
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or is what actually happened what you should believe? Because I saw an "unstable" player lead us in marching down the field with his teammates blowing it. If him playing at the peak of his game doesn't raise the bar for his teammates, than that's on them. Stop making excuses for the team, they didn't execute and it has nothing to do with what Beckham did or didn't do on the sidelines.
When has Beckham ever marched the Giants down the field to victory? Give me a single big win that he has ever been a part of in a Giant uniform? Cruz has given the Giants victory in the face of defeat 2x this year. When has OBJ done that once for the Giants? Do a Google search for OBJ game winning catch and the only thing that comes up is his one handed catch against the Cowboys, anyone remember who actually won that game? Then do a search for Victor Cruz game winning catch, you'll game a page full of different catches.
You seem pretty unstable...
if you think the giants would be better off without beckham, see how they did the one game he missed last season against Minnesota.
And I love Eli, but he hasn't been blameless in letting a couple OBJ TDs slip away this year because of errant throws or non throws. Like the play in Dallas right before the Cruz td, missing him wide open. Or yesterday not seeing him when he was open for a long one when Norman got fooled.
It is perplexing to me why, unless they're wide open, Manning chose (chooses) to throw to Rainey or the two Tight Ends who would not make an another NFL roster (Randle style) when you have 3 pro-bowl caliber WRs. Rainey is fucking 5'8"...not typically the type who catches back of the endzone balls like he's Plaxico Burress.
I would explore trading for a tight end this season, giving up as much as a 2 for the right player (better a 3 obviously). The position is a catastrophe and has the potential to really hurt the Giants' playoff chances.
And I love Eli, but he hasn't been blameless in letting a couple OBJ TDs slip away this year because of errant throws or non throws. Like the play in Dallas right before the Cruz td, missing him wide open. Or yesterday not seeing him when he was open for a long one when Norman got fooled.
Eli also missed Beckham who was wide open yesterday by about 20 yards for a sure 80 yard TD (or whatever the distance was). I can't remember which quarter it was.
IMO, we didn't feed him enough. He was getting open at will and I wish we went to him more. Pittsburgh fans don't complain about, Atlanta fans don't complain about it, and Detroit fans didn't complain about it when their star WR's were/are getting fed.
The play right before the game-ending pick was to Cruz for a long first down.
I know there's a narrative starting that no player but the 3 WR's should get balls thrown their way, but not only is that a ridiculous thing to espouse, it is pretty much incorrect to begin with.
Both Falcons fans and Lions fans have said they've lost games because they were trying to force the ball to Jones or Megatron too much.
It happens with every team. If you win (like Pittsburgh usually does) there aren't a lot of complaints. When you lose, like the Falcons and Lions have, people complain.
Lions fans have wanted the ball spread out, to Riddick and Tate last year. Falcons fans lamented Roddy White's decline because they felt it made them too reliant on Jones.
Trust me, I used to be the same way. One-handed catches, new hairstyles, Instagramning with Drake but then I turned 40! lol
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Pittsburgh fans don't complain about, Atlanta fans don't complain about it, and Detroit fans didn't complain about it when their star WR's were/are getting fed.
Both Falcons fans and Lions fans have said they've lost games because they were trying to force the ball to Jones or Megatron too much.
It happens with every team. If you win (like Pittsburgh usually does) there aren't a lot of complaints. When you lose, like the Falcons and Lions have, people complain.
Lions fans have wanted the ball spread out, to Riddick and Tate last year. Falcons fans lamented Roddy White's decline because they felt it made them too reliant on Jones.
I don't really put much stock in that. Grass is always greener even if it comes from the coaches mouth. What are you paying $20 million for?
The reason why Atlanta and Detroit lose games is because their QB's and defenses suck. They also have inconsistent at best running games.
Pittsburgh has a legit defense and legit running game and they still feed Brown all he can handle.
Just to set the record straight, if your kid is more influenced by OBJ - or any athlete or public figure - than he is by what he experiences at home, you have already failed miserably as a parent. That isn't on OBJ.
Would I like to see the guy not melt down on the sideline? Sure. Would have liked to have seen Tom Coughlin not melt down on the sidelines too. But I don't shield my children from the screen when the Giants play because someone may show frustration in a poor way.
So in summary...get over it.
I know there's a narrative starting that no player but the 3 WR's should get balls thrown their way, but not only is that a ridiculous thing to espouse, it is pretty much incorrect to begin with.
You're right, it's not possible or adviseable to only throw to the wide receivers but they, with Vereen, should be prioritized. 2 of them were open on the Tye pick. He & LD are bad players. It'd be nice if they could be even a poor man's Dan Campbell to help that part of the game, but neither of them can even block.
The TE position is a problem.
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I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.
It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
Dez gets into fights with his teammates and coaches. OBJ gets into it with opponents and expresses his frustration away from others. There is a massive difference.
Ok, so he's no Larry Fitzgerald or Jerry Rice who blows past his coach on the sidelines after acting like an ass on the field.
While I can sit here and pretend I know their strategy or gameplan, I will say it was pretty damn annoying we didn't stomp on their throats in the first half. It has generally been the Giants MO so it isn't surprising, but we could have put this damn thing away early. Going into the locker room at halftime up only 5 was brutal.
(long time lurker first time poster, spare me the "you created an account to post this" bs)
(long time lurker first time poster, spare me the "you created an account to post this" bs)
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I also agree with you.
I saw LT's entire career.
It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.
I don't think he's a "problem." I just think he could help solidify things without acting like a 4-year-old having a tantrum in the grocery store after being told "no."
and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.
Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.
I fail to see how you KNOW his emotional outburst CLEARLY enhanced his performance. That strikes me as a really empty statement.
I fail to see how you KNOW his emotional outburst CLEARLY enhanced his performance. That strikes me as a really empty statement.
Well, I'm basing it on how quiet he was for the first 3 quarters.
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and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.
Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.
Wasn't he flagged on the very last drive? Does that penalty not count?
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he melted down anyway
and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.
Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.
Wasn't he flagged on the very last drive? Does that penalty not count?
He was flagged for a pick play, but that's not something I consider to be "melting down". Pick plays are often judgement calls by the refs, or they are technique-based failures to execute. Last year's Panther game was melting down. What richburg did yesterday was melting down.
Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.
Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.
I saw LT's entire career.
It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.
Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?
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a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.
Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.
Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.
I think the same could be said in principle for Beckhams penalty on the final drive.