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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:35 am
If he played for another team, we would be ripping him to pieces. He's our guy, though, so his behavior is 'refreshing' and 'needed'. He wants to win so bad he....he.....fought the kicker's net and got beat up. Way to feed the meme machine.

Dez does that and we crucify him. OBJ does it and we laud his 'fire'. The dude is a great player, but there is some serious roid rage there.

I want to win and was pissed as I sat in traffic for two hours lamenting the loss. But show some class, not your ass.

And his drop on 2nd and 10 when he could have just caught the ball that was in both hands late in the game on a crucial drive is one of the reasons the Giants lost (among many). He makes that catch and we are at worst at 3rd and 5. Shepard catches the next pass for 8 and now we are a 4th and 2 and we kick the FG. Crucial drop in a key situation on a well thrown ball by Eli. Sometimes just catching the ball is the big play.

Top tier talent. But you can't deny the cat is off.

This thread should go off the rails quickly.
WATCH: Giants’ Odell Beckham Jr. throws fit, fights with kicking net and cries - ( New Window )
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RE: RE: RE: Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 1:03 pm : link
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.



I saw LT's entire career.

It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.


Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?


LT was also a crackhead and was probably high half the time he was doing that.
Beckham has a little bit of a rock star following  
ghost718 : 9/26/2016 1:08 pm : link
To the point where these fans care about the individual match ups as much as he does.Can't tell you how many times I've read he toasted Norman in the Carolina game.Which is bullshit,but let's say he did anyway,who won the game?

Now the same thing is going on after yesterday.
RE: what upsets me the most  
nicky43 : 9/26/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13143040 GentleGiant said:
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about yesterday's game was the way the Giants played it so similarly to last year's game against Norman when they had no other options to pass to besides OBJ. They add Cruz and Sheppard this year and basically ignore both of them in the 4th Qtr. OBJ was drawing double teams the entire time and they opt for passes to the TE? I cannot understand how you upgrade your offense yet don't change the game plan.


Excellent observation and something I kept asking myself about all game long. Why the heck did they target OBJ so much when he was double covered, over emotional, and dropping passes. I just don't get it.

And then we run the ball with 3rd and long almost every time.

It's as though Mac's whole offensive strategy is top call the play least likely to be expected. That may be fine sometimes but not when it's also the play least likely to succeed. Very bad play calling lost both games we lost so far.

As far as OBJ, tantrums, the coaches need to bench him when he acts up like that and you'll see how fast OBJ corrects those hissy fits.
RE: RE: RE: Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13143710 Rick5 said:
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.



I saw LT's entire career.

It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.


Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?


My view ... yes, we're talking about insanely effusive players. But one never seemed to be using it as a display or a damn pity party like Odell's strike me at times. LT always seemed fiery but measured, in a way, in order to lead and to get his guys properly "motivated."

For guys who watched LT's career, I don't believe you'll get a large percentage of them saying that he was ever completely out of control. Odell, with the crying and the blatant BS last year (helmet hit) and the non-stop histrionics, then and still now (yesterday), it's clear he's not anywhere near in control of his emotions.

Then there's the difference between one guy playing a "skill" position where his precision is critical, vs. a guy like LT who played a position of overt violence. His patent aggression was part and parcel to what made him the greatest to ever play the position.
RE: RE: RE: Also,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13143722 Brown Recluse said:
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a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.

Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.



I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.

Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.




I think the same could be said in principle for Beckhams penalty on the final drive.


Without access to seeing the play again, the easy thing to do is say that because he got an offensive pass interference call, it means he was out of his mind and out of control. I'm not so sure. The nature of that play is such that a ref can see that play 10 times and decide to throw a flag at any point. He might have simply blocked his man too early.
I don't have access to the play either  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 1:20 pm : link
so I won't say 100% he was not in control, but if my memory serves - he really got his helmet into Normans grill.

Just seems to me like he's gotten a huge pass for that penalty because fans want to defend his behavior.
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christian : 9/26/2016 1:30 pm : link
Some of you guys really are the worst.

Of course Giants would criticize if the shoe was on the other foot.

- Cruz - stop your idiotic, has-been dancing
- JPP - holy shit, your hand looks like someone took a bite out of a cookie
- Manning - Are you as stupid as that facial expression?
- Josh Brown - More domestic complaints than field goals made
- Landon Collins - Cromartie Daddy II
- OBJ - Got his ass kicked by Norman AND the kicking net

Yet ... since they are on the team and half of it's true, half is ridiculous, we want the good players on the team because we like winning.
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Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13143833 christian said:
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Some of you guys really are the worst.

Of course Giants would criticize if the shoe was on the other foot.

- Cruz - stop your idiotic, has-been dancing
- JPP - holy shit, your hand looks like someone took a bite out of a cookie
- Manning - Are you as stupid as that facial expression?
- Josh Brown - More domestic complaints than field goals made
- Landon Collins - Cromartie Daddy II
- OBJ - Got his ass kicked by Norman AND the kicking net

Yet ... since they are on the team and half of it's true, half is ridiculous, we want the good players on the team because we like winning.


McAdoo on Odell: "He needs to control himself better and be less of a distraction to his teammates

So the coach is ridiculous too right?

Maybe you need to hear how cool it was OBJ punched a FG net and it hit him in the head. Those tears were just passion
Cruz - keep dancing baby!!!!!
JPP - move over Arm Rangers, this guy is a warrior
Manning - GOAT, f Peyton
Josh Brown - glad he didn't kick her b/c he's awesome
Landon Collins- move over Ronnie Lott, you rule Collins

Happy now skippy? You're the best and good job calling out the rest as the worst.
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