We have to stop talking about the Skins game and focus on the Vikings.
In this game, we are taking our biggest team weakness (offensive line) and heading up to Minnesota where their strength is the defensive line. Yesterday, the Vikings sacked Cam Newton 8 times! Cam is not easy to bring down and he is a mobile QB.
The Giants will have to game plan around getting the ball out of Eli's hand a lot faster. They will need to throw more screen passes to keep the defense from just pushing up the middle into Eli on every play. In the game vs the Redskins we were all screaming that we were not going to our play makers enough. In this game however, Eli will need to get the ball to whoever is open even if it is a TE, Rainey, etc
The Vikings also are doing a nice job on special teams and even had a score on a punt return yesterday. Our mistakes will need to be cleaned up and we will have to get better on kick/punt coverage.
Our defensive line will play a critical role. We absolutely have to get pressure on Bradford and force him into mistakes. I do not think we can win this game without getting turnovers and giving our offense a short field.
We can win this game but not if we continue to turn the ball over and the penalties. There will be no way to overcome all of that vs the Vikings.
Newton was able to throw the ball downfield pretty well against that secondary, but inevitably drives got shut down and he threw two picks and got sacked a ton.
It was like Wilson against the Rams....a lot of downfield throws but only 3 points to show for it (even without any interceptions).
Very strange.
Vikings well coached team.
Bradford started out slow but did better as game went on.
They are impressing me as a legit team. Don't think they are a one year fluke.
I think the Giants defense has to match them stride for stride to have any chance of winning. It's not like the Vikes are an offensive juggernaut. It was very disappointing to see them unable to put the hammer down on an offense that is not nearly as potent as the Saints yet they managed to get sucked in time and time again. And it wasn't like the Redskins ran for a lot of yards either.
The only thing to hang our hats on was many people gave the Skins not a lot of hope coming into this game and they had absolutely no momentum whatsoever. So as many will most assuredly be picking the Vikings it would not surprise me if the Giants put it all together and come away with a win.
Here's hoping.
As for the Vikings, they are beatable. They are definitely playing better football than us right now, but I feel like we just match up with them pretty damn well. They will shut down our run, so Eli and the WR's need to step up. Whoever is playing snaps at RB needs to get their blocking shoes on or I don't want to see them on the field.
They are impressing me as a legit team. Don't think they are a one year fluke.
So since you were able to watch that game, where do you think we can gain an advantage?
They play very conservatively on offense. Not many downfield plays and they use Rudolph a lot in the red zone and on 3rd down.
unfortunately, the way we've protected the ball is going to haunt us in this one if we don't improve. Giving Minny a short field and giving up points is going to be something we have to avoid.
I think we should talk about something else.
I fear for Eli's life in this one...
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You actually asked that question?
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They are impressing me as a legit team. Don't think they are a one year fluke.
So since you were able to watch that game, where do you think we can gain an advantage?
I think finding ways to disguise coverage or whatever it was the Vikings did to make Cam hold the ball. They were mostly getting coverage sacks on him, with maybe 2-3 sacks on pure edge rush dominance on Michael Oher. He seemed blind to some of those sacks too.
Cam can get the ball downfield, so it might be risky trying to stack the box and force him to beat you deep unless you think you have the CBs to do it. Denver obviously does, but not sure how many other teams can.
On offense, pass/run balance looked to be the key. Bradford was mostly dinking and dunking. They pulled up a stat midway through the game that showed he & Cam having the same att/comp, but Cam had a lot more yards.
Carolina is fast to the ball after it's thrown, but they do allow the ball to completed a bit in the short to intermediate range. Have to keep the score tight so you don't let them tee off, because then it gets nasty.
I wouldn't call them an infallible team, but they are talented and capable.
One thing I would say that I've noted from last season is that if a few things break open they are unstoppable, but they are also very beatable at the same time if you can keep them down and frustrate them through O and/or D.
Need a big corner on him obviously, not these Eric Allen clones SF has.
It will not be easy. It will not be pretty. But we'll find a way.
It will not be easy. It will not be pretty. But we'll find a way.
I wish I shared your optimism.
We'll need to get some turnovers and make some big plays.
Minny is good, but at 3-0 you'd think a loss is awaiting them, esp after an emotional game I'm guessing versus the defending NFC champs.
He has two wins against us as an Eagle, and one loss as a Ram. How does he have our number?
Cam can get the ball downfield, so it might be risky trying to stack the box and force him to beat you deep unless you think you have the CBs to do it. Denver obviously does, but not sure how many other teams can.
On offense, pass/run balance looked to be the key. Bradford was mostly dinking and dunking. They pulled up a stat midway through the game that showed he & Cam having the same att/comp, but Cam had a lot more yards.
Carolina is fast to the ball after it's thrown, but they do allow the ball to completed a bit in the short to intermediate range. Have to keep the score tight so you don't let them tee off, because then it gets nasty.
I wouldn't call them an infallible team, but they are talented and capable.
One thing I would say that I've noted from last season is that if a few things break open they are unstoppable, but they are also very beatable at the same time if you can keep them down and frustrate them through O and/or D.
Thanks for the input, but the Giants play Minnesota, not Carolina. It must be confusing to hang out on a rival fan board.
Now you have a Monday Night game, against an angry Giants team. I could see them taking a breath at 3-0 and coming out flat. If the Giants can jump on them early, their offense isn't good enough for come backs.
I can see this game being a rough defensive battle a la the nfc championship game in SF in 2011. Minnesota is going to get shots and sacks on Eli but he's going to hit some big passes too.
I'd sure like to hear about a players meeting leading up to this game. Monday night game against a good opponent is a recipe for disaster. We have the talent to beat them, what about the brains?
Welp, we do have the 4th most yards in the NFL but facts don't matter.
I bet Eli has 4 TDs next week and we sack Bradford 5 times. 4 from DLs and 1 from Collins.
We need a win.
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They are impressing me as a legit team. Don't think they are a one year fluke.
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So since you were able to watch that game, where do you think we can gain an advantage?
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I think finding ways to disguise coverage or whatever it was the Vikings did to make Cam hold the ball. They were mostly getting coverage sacks on him, with maybe 2-3 sacks on pure edge rush dominance on Michael Oher. He seemed blind to some of those sacks too.
Cam can get the ball downfield, so it might be risky trying to stack the box and force him to beat you deep unless you think you have the CBs to do it. Denver obviously does, but not sure how many other teams can.
On offense, pass/run balance looked to be the key. Bradford was mostly dinking and dunking. They pulled up a stat midway through the game that showed he & Cam having the same att/comp, but Cam had a lot more yards.
Carolina is fast to the ball after it's thrown, but they do allow the ball to completed a bit in the short to intermediate range. Have to keep the score tight so you don't let them tee off, because then it gets nasty.
I wouldn't call them an infallible team, but they are talented and capable.
One thing I would say that I've noted from last season is that if a few things break open they are unstoppable, but they are also very beatable at the same time if you can keep them down and frustrate them through O and/or D.
Thanks for the input, but the Giants play Minnesota, not Carolina. It must be confusing to hang out on a rival fan board.
That was an unnecessarily smartass remark to one of the few good football posters on this site.
Combined with the fact that Eli has simply been miserable against them for his career.
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at all in 2016. Not in pre season and not in our first three games of the regular season.
Welp, we do have the 4th most yards in the NFL but facts don't matter.
Bulk yardage doesn't mean they've been playing well on offense. The turnovers and red zone failures tell much more of a story than a yardage stat.
Huge early season game. I have confidence we win.
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at all in 2016. Not in pre season and not in our first three games of the regular season.
Welp, we do have the 4th most yards in the NFL but facts don't matter.
No... STATS don't matter. The team with the most POINTS (not yards) at the end of the game wins. How many touchdowns did we score the first two games on offense? How many times did we kill our own drives vs Washington? When you gain that many yards on offense and then do not put up the points, then you are not getting it done.