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Stadium Sound System and Drunks

Essex : 9/26/2016 10:04 am
My tickets are in 148 and I couldn't hear a word of what the refs were saying and this was not the first time. Spoke to a buddy of mine who was two sections over and they couldn't hear anything either. It was really annoying.

I have gone to the games for 30+ years and am 41, but the amount of people who attend these games simply as an excuse to drink is just astronomical. I am not a down in front guy and I would like to think I am not a get off my lawn type of guy either, but the stadium experience is going downhill. I like to drink moderately just as most do, but if you are going to go to a game simply to get bombed, I would think the local bar would be a better option, cheaper and closer to your home. I don't care if people stand up on third downs or on any play that grabs their attention, but the amount of idiots who stand up in a middle of a play for no reason because they are bombed out of their mind is annoying.

One of the many reasons I no longer  
Big Blue '56 : 9/26/2016 10:06 am : link
have any interest in attending a game..TV suits me just fine and this from a guy whose Dad had a Season ticket all the Yankee Stadium years
i think the NFL  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 10:08 am : link
has the worst live experience in all of pro sports. You actually couldn't pay me to go.
maybe talk  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 10:08 am : link
to the drunks respectfully and ask them to not stand up mid-play? they obviously aren't realizing the impact they are having on people behind them, and if they're not complete a-holes they will probably oblige.
it is a hassle  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 10:11 am : link
going to a game - dealing with traffic, the all day time commitment, the drunks, the constant timeouts/breaks, the deluge of stadium advertising etc not to mention the cost.

but the electricity as you drive up to the stadium, hear the excitement in the air, is something that can't be replicated from the tv experience.... yet, though maybe with VR and AR, we won't be too far off.
I went yesterday  
Bubba : 9/26/2016 10:11 am : link
for the first time in 2 years as a guest. I sold my PSLs last year after having season tkts in the family since 1956. I personally have been attending games for nearly 50 years. I could not agree more with you and BB'56. The fan experience is not what it was.
Back in the good old days (yeah yeah get off my lawn)  
GiantsLaw : 9/26/2016 10:12 am : link
You'd see the same people every week. You got to know them. Nowadays it seems like a turnstile. I think that contributes to people acting like fools because what the hell, they'll never see you again.
RE: i think the NFL  
Essex : 9/26/2016 10:12 am : link
In comment 13143172 UConn4523 said:
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has the worst live experience in all of pro sports. You actually couldn't pay me to go.

It is funny you say that because my son, who is only five, was at his first game last week amen kept asking me where the yellow line is at the Saints game (they do put it on the big tv board). I have gone for over 30 years, so i probably will continue to go, but the NFL is made for TV these days especially with all the replays slowing down the game. You sit there for 5-10 minutes (like on the Jackson catch) not knowing anything (they did show it on screen but hard to tell from far away) relying on Twitter and BBI gamethread
Just for reference  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 10:14 am : link
I believe the down in front guy and get off my lawn guy are the same guy.

and I wouldn't go to a game with free tickets.

and it's not the violence or language of the drunks which sucks, I go to a ton of hockey games, usually Bruins, which are just as bad, it's the whole game experience is just better at home now for football.

If there were a way to tailgate and then leave and get to my house in time to watch the game that would be ideal, since I like a good tailgate, but in-game just sucks.
I was in Sec. 126  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 9/26/2016 10:15 am : link
and couldn't hear a thing. I personally like the stadium experience once or twice a year, but no more than that.
Totally agree  
soz915 : 9/26/2016 10:16 am : link
My seats are in 139 and we can't hear a single thing when the ref calls a penalty or they announce the plays, its pretty awful considering everywhere we look seem to be speakers.

Had an overly intoxicated woman in the row in front of me yesterday, she was not disruptive but instead not very responsive. EMS and security was called in and emptied the whole row, got her looked out and escorted out, and then cleaned up the area around her. Just as disruptive having to clear everyone out and have security everywhere compared to a wild drunk fan.
I always enjoyed  
Gman11 : 9/26/2016 10:17 am : link
the in person experience, but with the cost of tickets, parking and the hassle getting to the game I've lost interest in going to games.

For the price of a two tickets, parking, travel to two games a year I can buy a pretty nice 65 inch flat screen TV to watch the games on and not have to worry about sitting next to drunks.
RE: Just for reference  
jv : 9/26/2016 10:18 am : link
In comment 13143189 pjcas18 said:
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If there were a way to tailgate and then leave and get to my house in time to watch the game that would be ideal, since I like a good tailgate, but in-game just sucks.


100% agree with this.
RE: Just for reference  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 10:18 am : link
In comment 13143189 pjcas18 said:
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I believe the down in front guy and get off my lawn guy are the same guy.

and I wouldn't go to a game with free tickets.

and it's not the violence or language of the drunks which sucks, I go to a ton of hockey games, usually Bruins, which are just as bad, it's the whole game experience is just better at home now for football.

If there were a way to tailgate and then leave and get to my house in time to watch the game that would be ideal, since I like a good tailgate, but in-game just sucks.


I don't even like hockey and I'd much rather attend it over an NFL game. I'd basically have to be airlifted to the stadium, given 50 yard tickets for free, and airlifted back home to consider it.
IMO football just isn't a great in-person spectator sport  
Greg from LI : 9/26/2016 10:22 am : link
I've never been to an NFL game (regular season, anyway) but I've been to a bunch of D-I college games. Those are a lot of fun, but that's because the college atmosphere is different.

Hockey, baseball, and basketball are all more fun to attend live.
I've had tickets for 20 years  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/26/2016 10:24 am : link
and I haven't noticed an increase in drunks recently. With the good weather, people are probably tailgating more so you see more drunken fools. Night games have always been bad, and it gets worse in the stands if the Giants are losing or lose to one of our rivals.

There are more "transients" in the new stadium. I miss the camaraderie with all the people who used to sit in our section. I still visit my old seatmates during the games.

But if the experience isn't for you, then its not. Even with the hassles, I still like going to the games. I am not screaming myself hoarse sitting in my living room.

And look, we are laaaaaazy. I am not a down-in-front guy, but please don't stand when the Giants have the ball on second and 6 in the middle of the game. Let's let them do something first.
Crap  
Now Mike in MD : 9/26/2016 10:24 am : link
I'm going to the Ravens game with a girlfriend who is a Ravens fan and is planning on wearing a Flacco jersey. BTW, she bought the tix so I can't really chastise her. But hoping I don't have to deal with a Philly like experience.
The drunks have gotten worse in the past 10 years or so  
jcn56 : 9/26/2016 10:24 am : link
I think (and obviously can't prove) that with the increase in ticket prices more casual fans ended up attending, and those fans have no problem getting so shitfaced drunk that they don't even care that there's a game going on in front of them.
RE: Crap  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/26/2016 10:33 am : link
In comment 13143225 Now Mike in MD said:
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I'm going to the Ravens game with a girlfriend who is a Ravens fan and is planning on wearing a Flacco jersey. BTW, she bought the tix so I can't really chastise her. But hoping I don't have to deal with a Philly like experience.


You'll be fine. Women get a lot less hassle then men, obviously. You really have to be truly obnoxious to get any serious abuse. I've also noticed that fans of opposing teams, if they get too crazy, are asked to leave. It might be unfair to them, but better for everyone in the long run.
RE: maybe talk  
gmenatlarge : 9/26/2016 10:37 am : link
In comment 13143173 Les in TO said:
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to the drunks respectfully and ask them to not stand up mid-play? they obviously aren't realizing the impact they are having on people behind them, and if they're not complete a-holes they will probably oblige.

good luck with that, it usually turns into a drunk now yelling at you and starting a fight.
I was going to start a separate thread  
dep026 : 9/26/2016 10:37 am : link
What a miserable experience yesterday was for me and my father.

We got there at 1030, and usually like to park in a certain spot. However, due to tailgating we resulted in driving past the meadowlands race track to a dirty parking lot nearly a mile away from the stadium. What good is parking passes when you have to walk forever? The tailgating is ridiculous and I wish it came to an end. They take up 4-5 spots, have food all over the place, and just leave it on the ground.

Then the drunks are just ridiculous. I understand that banning alcohol is not a viable solution but it makes not want to go to see games live. It takes 10 minutes via esclator just to get to my seat. Leaving the game on them is even worse.

What a miserable experience it becomes. And of course I am always in the aisle where a guy has to get beers and food every break and then piss the other 100 times during the game.

Ugh, going to games suck.
Agreed  
giantsfan227B : 9/26/2016 10:41 am : link
I have a been a season ticket holder only since the new stadium opened. Yesterday the sound system was awful. I couldn't hear a damn word the ref was saying. I sit in 227B directly under 3 huge speakers and it was still muffled.

And as far as the drinking my section definitely drinks. I must stand no joke at least 20 times a game, usually for the same 3-4 people so they can get a beer, bring it back, leave 5 minutes later to piss, get another beer etc. Here's a thought. Buy a 12 pack and drink before the game and then no need to drink during. Saves a ton of money. Yesterday was the first time they actually closed a bathroom (when I have been there)at the top of the 200 level because someone puked all over the bathroom. My brother got in there just after it happened and he said it was a mess. Total amateur hour. Just glad the stadium did the right thing, cleaned up the bathroom and opened it 20 minutes later.

It is one of those things that pisses me off standing so many times for the same idiots. Just like OP said, they come to drink.
I go to one game a year with my 12 year daughter and we went yesterday  
Stu11 : 9/26/2016 10:41 am : link
Nothing beats the game experience of tailgating, hanging out in the parking lot tossing the ball around, barbecuing, taking in the atmosphere etc...we look forward to it every year. Yes the game experience of watching is better at home. You don't have to deal with the drunks, you can see those key replays/challenges way better at home. I wouldn't want to go every week, especially because its just way too expensive. However once a year is a great outing. Eventhough I'm 48 I don't have the 70's/80's/90's comparison many of you do as prior to like 2003 I literally had been to maybe 10 games. Back then there was no stubhub/ticket exchange etc...unless your great great great grandfather had tickets at the Polo Grounds going to a big Giants game was like winning the lottery. So all I can talk about is the past 15 years or so. Besides the ever growing expense I don't see a ridiculous change.
I was going to start a thread on this as well  
BlueHurricane : 9/26/2016 10:43 am : link
We were in section 316 row 4. You could not hear a word of what the officials were saying. I was having to text people watching the game to figure out what the heck the ref just said.

Then at half time I walked out into the concourse with my 8 year old to try to get to the bathroom and you literally could not move. It was a sea of human beings shoulder to shoulder.

I miss Giants stadium. F*&k this 6 billion dollar trash can. That is probably the last game we will go to.
If my kids want to go to a football game  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 10:48 am : link
we'll go to BC game.

College football games are way better for kids, and depending on the school (not BC) they have really good tail gates too. But BC ND was always a really fun game (especially for me who wasn't a fan of either team), not sure if they still even play anymore.

People hate Penn State, and rightfully so but I went to a Penn State Michigan State game in the late 90's that was probably the biggest crowd I've ever been in and one of the best tail gates.

I also went to a Nebraska Central Florida game (when Daunte Culpepper was on Central Florida) and that was insane.

If I were inclined to attend a football game in person, it would probably be a college game, but then still has to be something compelling to get me to go. Like my kids busting my balls to go to a game.
I'd be curious to know  
Bubba : 9/26/2016 10:50 am : link
the actual attendance yesterday. There seemed to be quite a few empty seats which I thought was unusual for a division game. Especially since the weather was great. Point being I wonder what the future holds for NFL stadiums. With the rising cost of game tickets and all the above mentioned issues. Is the NFL fan experience (attending games) on a possible "bubble"?
My daughter literally asked me for it as a birthday present  
Stu11 : 9/26/2016 10:52 am : link
she's becoming even a bigger football nut than me. She was in tears at then. Ruined what was a really fun day up to that point. I was in section 348 row 5, I actually could hear most of what the ref was saying. I don't think thats necessarily the stadium as much as the technology of the mic more often than not.
Bubba were you there?  
Stu11 : 9/26/2016 10:52 am : link
I was and I barely saw an empty seat at all. It was packed.
I have to add  
giantsfan227B : 9/26/2016 10:56 am : link
As a Long Islander the whole "game day" is only appealing when the weather is good for tailgating and the team is good. I have season tickets but literally it was a 12 hour day of driving, tailgaiting and game before a work day. And that is a 1pm game.

Multiple questionable plays (at least when in the stands occured) and we had no idea WTF was going on. Was Jackson's TD a TD? Was that an interception in the end zone or just incomplete? Why was a blocked punt called back? If you were watching the tube you saw a deliberate head shot but not in the stands. Do they play the replay? Nope. So the crowd boos as did I not knowing until after the game.

My brother who went to Notre Dame said he enjoyed college games better than the NFL. The NFL tailgates are cool but the game is better on tv. I am still going to go but I never see myself going to 8 regular season games. Just too much time not to mention the $$$. And I am not alone. And that is why so many people are new to the stadium because like me they sell their tickets allowing people that only want to go once to go. And some of them decide if I am only going once, then I am acting like an idiot and getting polluted.
one of the many reason I choose not to go  
Victor in CT : 9/26/2016 10:57 am : link
who decided that it's a good idea to have deafening music playing during sporting events?
The whole  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/26/2016 11:00 am : link
"I wouldn't go to the game if you paid me" stuff on this thread is silly. Of course you'd go. But I do agree with the overall point that football does have the worst gameday experience when in attendance. Replays are such a crucial part of the game, and in football, there are plays that when shown in super HD in super slow-mo it's still difficult to tell what the right call should be.

But regardless, that analytical part of watching football is a big, big part of why I enjoy it. You lose that when you're at the game. Sure they'll throw it on the jumbotron, but you don't have the opportunity to truly understand what you're looking at.

Then there's the sight lines. There's so much that happens in the trenches that in many seats you can't pick up on that key block that sprung a big play, or in some cases, you can't even see the play at all if you're in a corner.

So I do agree it's the best sport to sit on your couch, make some nachos and enjoy your Sunday. But you can certainly have a blast attending a football game, too.
RE: The whole  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 11:05 am : link
In comment 13143354 Mike in Long Beach said:
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"I wouldn't go to the game if you paid me" stuff on this thread is silly. Of course you'd go. But I do agree with the overall point that football does have the worst gameday experience when in attendance. Replays are such a crucial part of the game, and in football, there are plays that when shown in super HD in super slow-mo it's still difficult to tell what the right call should be.

But regardless, that analytical part of watching football is a big, big part of why I enjoy it. You lose that when you're at the game. Sure they'll throw it on the jumbotron, but you don't have the opportunity to truly understand what you're looking at.

Then there's the sight lines. There's so much that happens in the trenches that in many seats you can't pick up on that key block that sprung a big play, or in some cases, you can't even see the play at all if you're in a corner.

So I do agree it's the best sport to sit on your couch, make some nachos and enjoy your Sunday. But you can certainly have a blast attending a football game, too.


Don't be pedantic.

I would not go to a game if the tickets were free, and if I were paid a couple hundred dollars in spending money. No, "of course you would" I simply wouldn't do it.

If someone paid me 5-figures or more then sure, but it would be very hard to get me to attend a game. Even $1000 wouldn't get me to go.

I live in MA, and it's a 5-hour drive. I've done it, when I was younger, but I'm not inclined to do it again. Ever.
Couldn't pay me to go crap should stop  
Tuckrule : 9/26/2016 11:05 am : link
Good tickets all of you would go. So let's put that to rest. Certain sections attract certain type of people. Price point whatever you want to call it. I've been going to games since 1998 and the experience is more child friendly and geared to a younger crowd. It's about the music the visual effects and the sales. Most people now go to games to socialize and throw it up on Facebook and Instagram. the game itself isn't the focal point but I've had season tickets for a few years and my section is filed with die hard fans who love the game and don't leave their seats for anything. Nobody is relief me to sit down and its overall a great experience.
RE: If my kids want to go to a football game  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 11:06 am : link
In comment 13143310 pjcas18 said:
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we'll go to BC game.

College football games are way better for kids, and depending on the school (not BC) they have really good tail gates too. But BC ND was always a really fun game (especially for me who wasn't a fan of either team), not sure if they still even play anymore.

People hate Penn State, and rightfully so but I went to a Penn State Michigan State game in the late 90's that was probably the biggest crowd I've ever been in and one of the best tail gates.

I also went to a Nebraska Central Florida game (when Daunte Culpepper was on Central Florida) and that was insane.

If I were inclined to attend a football game in person, it would probably be a college game, but then still has to be something compelling to get me to go. Like my kids busting my balls to go to a game.


I used to go to Army games every year with my grandfather. Had no idea what was going on but absolutely loved going to West Point. They usually stunk and would play teams like Colgate, but it didn't matter.

College blows away the NFL live. Even when I was at UConn (my freshman they were actually pretty good) the games were really fun despite them not putting out top college talent. Smaller stadium, but you can see everything from every seat.
RE: Couldn't pay me to go crap should stop  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 11:07 am : link
In comment 13143368 Tuckrule said:
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Good tickets all of you would go. So let's put that to rest. Certain sections attract certain type of people. Price point whatever you want to call it. I've been going to games since 1998 and the experience is more child friendly and geared to a younger crowd. It's about the music the visual effects and the sales. Most people now go to games to socialize and throw it up on Facebook and Instagram. the game itself isn't the focal point but I've had season tickets for a few years and my section is filed with die hard fans who love the game and don't leave their seats for anything. Nobody is relief me to sit down and its overall a great experience.


Who the fuck are you to tell me what crap should stop.

I WOULD NOT ATTEND A GAME IN PERSON. PERIOD.

the bullshit about fucking know-it-alls telling grown men what they would or wouldn't do is what should stop.

RE: Couldn't pay me to go crap should stop  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 11:08 am : link
In comment 13143368 Tuckrule said:
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Good tickets all of you would go. So let's put that to rest. Certain sections attract certain type of people. Price point whatever you want to call it. I've been going to games since 1998 and the experience is more child friendly and geared to a younger crowd. It's about the music the visual effects and the sales. Most people now go to games to socialize and throw it up on Facebook and Instagram. the game itself isn't the focal point but I've had season tickets for a few years and my section is filed with die hard fans who love the game and don't leave their seats for anything. Nobody is relief me to sit down and its overall a great experience.


I actually wouldn't. I've turned down good free tickets at work, several times in fact. I could have just taken them and sold them, but that's not the right thing to do, so I just let someone else have them.
RE: RE: If my kids want to go to a football game  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 11:11 am : link
In comment 13143371 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13143310 pjcas18 said:


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we'll go to BC game.

College football games are way better for kids, and depending on the school (not BC) they have really good tail gates too. But BC ND was always a really fun game (especially for me who wasn't a fan of either team), not sure if they still even play anymore.

People hate Penn State, and rightfully so but I went to a Penn State Michigan State game in the late 90's that was probably the biggest crowd I've ever been in and one of the best tail gates.

I also went to a Nebraska Central Florida game (when Daunte Culpepper was on Central Florida) and that was insane.

If I were inclined to attend a football game in person, it would probably be a college game, but then still has to be something compelling to get me to go. Like my kids busting my balls to go to a game.



I used to go to Army games every year with my grandfather. Had no idea what was going on but absolutely loved going to West Point. They usually stunk and would play teams like Colgate, but it didn't matter.

College blows away the NFL live. Even when I was at UConn (my freshman they were actually pretty good) the games were really fun despite them not putting out top college talent. Smaller stadium, but you can see everything from every seat.


Yale Uconn tailgates when I was in college were great. They don't play anymore I don't think because the past couple times Uconn grew too big and would destroy Yale.

but those were fun. When I was little my father used to drag me to Yale games - awesome tailgate, great game experience. I can still smell the cigars and see the whiskey flasks being passed around in my mind (people would be locked up today), great tailgates too, and certainly not on the scale of the worlds largest outdoor cocktail party but Yale Harvard is an event every CT resident should attend once (at Yale, Harvard stinks for tailgating).

Plus that stadium used to hold 70,000+ people and they'd bang it out back in the day.
My dad had seasoned tickets  
dep026 : 9/26/2016 11:14 am : link
and now we go once a year, and its more than enough. I wouldnt go to the Ravens game if someone gave me free tickets.
RE: RE: Couldn't pay me to go crap should stop  
Victor in CT : 9/26/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 13143377 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13143368 Tuckrule said:


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Good tickets all of you would go. So let's put that to rest. Certain sections attract certain type of people. Price point whatever you want to call it. I've been going to games since 1998 and the experience is more child friendly and geared to a younger crowd. It's about the music the visual effects and the sales. Most people now go to games to socialize and throw it up on Facebook and Instagram. the game itself isn't the focal point but I've had season tickets for a few years and my section is filed with die hard fans who love the game and don't leave their seats for anything. Nobody is relief me to sit down and its overall a great experience.



I actually wouldn't. I've turned down good free tickets at work, several times in fact. I could have just taken them and sold them, but that's not the right thing to do, so I just let someone else have them.


same here
I may just be a coincidence  
steve in ky : 9/26/2016 11:20 am : link
but I usually go to the Giants-Titan game when they play every few years or so. I hate to say it but consistently the most drunk and/or rude and obnoxious fans I encounter are Giant fans.
Wow I'm surprised at the degree of dislike  
Overseer : 9/26/2016 11:21 am : link
complete with ALL CAPS denunciations.

You can't compare it to a baseball or even basketball game. One doesn't "casually" attend an NFL game. It's a 6+ hour (potentially all day if you tailgate) affair involving nearly 100,000 people. Personally I like the "chaos" of an NFL game that just doesn't exist at Citi Field or wherever.

High def has made watching games at home much, much better (remember Hockey pre HD? They used to make the puck glow cause it was impossible to follow).

And, no, I wouldn't want to attend 16 NFL games...mostly because Sunday is a nice chillax day - sleep in, ideally a blowjob, coffee, Meet the Press, go for a walk, then football into 60 Minutes, ideally another blowjob, then bed.

But once or twice a year? Hell yeah! Vs Eagles for this year and I will be drinking and cheering very loudly (but within polite norms).
RE: Wow I'm surprised at the degree of dislike  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 11:23 am : link
In comment 13143413 Overseer said:
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complete with ALL CAPS denunciations.

You can't compare it to a baseball or even basketball game. One doesn't "casually" attend an NFL game. It's a 6+ hour (potentially all day if you tailgate) affair involving nearly 100,000 people. Personally I like the "chaos" of an NFL game that just doesn't exist at Citi Field or wherever.

High def has made watching games at home much, much better (remember Hockey pre HD? They used to make the puck glow cause it was impossible to follow).

And, no, I wouldn't want to attend 16 NFL games...mostly because Sunday is a nice chillax day - sleep in, ideally a blowjob, coffee, Meet the Press, go for a walk, then football into 60 Minutes, ideally another blowjob, then bed.

But once or twice a year? Hell yeah! Vs Eagles for this year and I will be drinking and cheering very loudly (but within polite norms).


I didn't use caps to heighten my degree of dislike of games, but more to emphasize the idiocy of people telling me what I would or wouldn't do.
RE: Wow I'm surprised at the degree of dislike  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 13143413 Overseer said:
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complete with ALL CAPS denunciations.

You can't compare it to a baseball or even basketball game. One doesn't "casually" attend an NFL game. It's a 6+ hour (potentially all day if you tailgate) affair involving nearly 100,000 people. Personally I like the "chaos" of an NFL game that just doesn't exist at Citi Field or wherever.

High def has made watching games at home much, much better (remember Hockey pre HD? They used to make the puck glow cause it was impossible to follow).

And, no, I wouldn't want to attend 16 NFL games...mostly because Sunday is a nice chillax day - sleep in, ideally a blowjob, coffee, Meet the Press, go for a walk, then football into 60 Minutes, ideally another blowjob, then bed.

But once or twice a year? Hell yeah! Vs Eagles for this year and I will be drinking and cheering very loudly (but within polite norms).


I think plenty of people want to casually watch the game and can't, that's the problem.
It's a long day  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 11:31 am : link
and dominating defense used to get the crowd excited. A sack, forced fumble etc made the stadium exciting. Now good defensive play is rare and everybody is waiting for the homerun.

The game is medicore
Perhaps I'm less annoyed by drunks  
Overseer : 9/26/2016 11:34 am : link
but I just don't the experience that bad. It's a loud, raucous atmosphere (by design), but I'm able to watch the game and see every play with only sporadic distractions in the stands that are fairly easily ignored.

massive HD TVs have definitely changed the game though.
RE: Just for reference  
BMac : 9/26/2016 11:35 am : link
In comment 13143189 pjcas18 said:
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I believe the down in front guy and get off my lawn guy are the same guy.

and I wouldn't go to a game with free tickets.

and it's not the violence or language of the drunks which sucks, I go to a ton of hockey games, usually Bruins, which are just as bad, it's the whole game experience is just better at home now for football.


Agree. I've felt the same for many years. Football is best on TV; Baseball, on the other hand, is best seen at the stadium.
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Danny Kanell : 9/26/2016 11:36 am : link
I love tailgating and it's a day out with the boys, which is pretty much the only reason I try to go to a game or 2 a year. The stadium absolutely sucks. It's a pain in the ass to get to and get home from (I'm on Long Island). You're always dealing with assholes in the concourses and seats and the game is much harder to follow live because football is a poor live experience.

I try to go to alot of Islander games because hockey is so much better live but even that's become a hassle with Brooklyn.
I would love to the %  
dep026 : 9/26/2016 11:37 am : link
of people there to tailgate to people who are there for the game. I have a feeling more people like to party than fr football.
Ive been going to the game since 1980 and  
GIANTS128 : 9/26/2016 11:41 am : link
it has gotten a lot worse. There were always drunks and some fights but nothing crazy. The one thing I think drives this behavior is back in the day if you sold your tickets to someone It was always some you knew who got read the riot act concerning getting in trouble with "MY" tickets at stadium. I can remember not giving the tickets to anyone just because I didnt trust the ones who were asking. Now when you sell on ticket exchange there is no backlash on the seller if the person who bought the ticket acts like and idiot and gets in trouble. So now no one is really responsible anymore.
At game also  
Bleedin Blue : 9/26/2016 11:42 am : link
section 143 and couldn't hear shit either!!!

My daughter bought tickets for me for my birthday, the one annoying thing is the people who really don't give two shits about watching the game! They get up and down to go get their beers, then they walk in front of you during a play going on! I finally had it, and told a guy and his girl to fucking wait til the play was over! I had an aisle seat and this guy was going back and forth the whole fucking game, so when I had enough, I put my arm out to block him and said to fucking wait, and to think of the people he kept blocking from seeing the game. He wasn't happy, but i guess he didn't want to get into it with me. Phew! LOL!
I like to think I have some self awareness  
Essex : 9/26/2016 11:42 am : link
I realize that the NFL is not catering to the die hard fan like myself who lives and dies with every play and that their bread and butter is the casual fan, but my issue is that they have to get things like the sound right, if you are going to build a 2 billion dollar stadium and now the game is reliant upon replay after replay, make sure the fans can here and see the replays in the building and what the ref has to say when he rules on what you have been waiting the last 5-10 minutes to find out. You might not be able to fix the drunks who are not there to watch a football game, but at least fix what is fixable.

Plus there are so many ways you can do it as well  
Essex : 9/26/2016 11:49 am : link
First, fix your sound system. If you can't do that, the US Open with a sponser (AMEX) passes out free radios to the people there so they can listen to the broadcast and get the commentary. I am sure a sponser would be willing to do it. The Giants and NFL need to get this right. You want to review every other play, that's your choice, but don't leave the consumer at the game in the blind. Fix it
its not even just the drunks  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 11:49 am : link
I can actually deal with that if I was really in love with the rest of it, but sadly i'm not. One of them is the cost; $250+ for crappy seats blows. The other is travel, takes forever to get in/out of a game and means its a full 8 hour day. But the #1 reason is you just have no idea what's going on. Its all meant for TV, and going from that experience to a live setting just can't compare.
RE: I would love to the %  
Greg from LI : 9/26/2016 11:52 am : link
In comment 13143465 dep026 said:
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of people there to tailgate to people who are there for the game. I have a feeling more people like to party than fr football.


Yep, that's Goodell's NFL. They're "growing the game", you see!
I think there are a higher % of a-holes in NY/NJ  
BigBlue in Keys : 9/26/2016 11:53 am : link
Even Giants fans are jerks to other Giants fans at home. Road games seem to all have better fans (outside of Philly). Personally I love the gameday experience. I can get tuned up but also not be an asshole to people around me.


The gameday experience is 100% personal  
aimrocky : 9/26/2016 11:55 am : link
We're in 149 and have sat next to the same group since the stadium opened, and we love it. Going to every game would be tough, since we're coming from CT, but it's really nice getting to 3-4 a year. Watching with a group of die-hards live forces you to pay attention to every play like it's the last. At home, you could easily trail off mentally for a few plays while checking your phone, getting a beer or hearing the wife nag...
You guys really need to find a way to take in an SEC game sometime  
FranknWeezer : 9/26/2016 12:00 pm : link
Not going to get into arguing about conferences and what-not, but I think we get spoiled in the south with fantastic gameday experiences.

As for NFL games, that sucks to hear about the stadium experience at MetLife being so poor. It's one thing to have issues at an 'away' venue, but in your own backyard, so to speak, is a raw deal.

If I had the opportunity to go to Giants games 'locally' like many of you, I think I might cherry-pick non-conference or at least out-of-division games. At least in theory, it seems like there'd be less interest and fewer of the idiots to deal with when, say, the Bucs, Texans, Dolphins come to town.
Wow, I'm surprised at the amount of definitive statements  
aimrocky : 9/26/2016 12:06 pm : link
on this thread. I've sat in other sections besides my own, so I understand what some of you are talking about, but it's absolutely reliant on the group you're sitting with. We got lucky that the group around us is awesome, so being at the stadium is a joy.

The guys to the left of us host a huge tailgate and we have an open invitation all season, so it makes it easy if we do want to party. Otherwise, we'll typically get sandwiches from a deli, bring a cooler and hang out in the lot before we go in. We park far enough away that we avoid much of the traffic going in and out. The nice thing is, it gets me out of the house for a day doing adult things.
If you don't want to  
Metnut : 9/26/2016 12:08 pm : link
get up as people get drinks and go to the bathroom, I'd recommend against getting the aisle seats. People have a right to get up and go to the concourses as often as they want (although they should always wait until commercials to do so).
Also, when Richburg got ejected I couldn't exactly  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/26/2016 12:09 pm : link
hear what was going on, but in general the sound is OK. I think its a referee by referee thing where the mic wasn't on or in the right place or whatever. So what? We knew Richburg was ejected and even if it was for a good reason we booed loudly anyway. It's not a tennis match, and I am biased all the way. Inside the stadium, my team is always right.

I do see people who get up in the middle of a play. Again, that's a function of all the new people going to games. You don't have to get all offended, just explain it to them. Most people are pretty cool if you make your case. If not, then its on them.

And don't get me wrong: I do not like the new stadium. My seats are farther away, getting into and out of the stadium is harder, and the food and traffic issues are not noticeably improved. It's still worth it to go to, but that's me.
I'm also 41, live in North Jersey, and the last game I went to,  
Mr. Bungle : 9/26/2016 12:10 pm : link
the Giants Stadium crowd was chanting "One-more-year! One-more-year!" to Tiki Barber.

And that was a free ticket.

I have zero interest in NFL games and stadium concerts. I can tell too many stories about how the "section drunk" was in the seat directly behind me.
The music is way too loud...  
trueblueinpw : 9/26/2016 12:12 pm : link
Was at the game last week and the music seemed louder than ever. I use my Etymotic headphones to listen to radio broadcast which blocks out most of the ridiculous music and protects my ears. The headphones are effective for comfort, protection and the radio guys tell me what's going on with replays or injuries or whatever. But the headphone make it a bit difficult to talk with my friends and the other people around me. Someone needs to tell the Giants to turn down the music, its ridiculously loud. What's the point of the loud music anyway?

Regarding the drunks, in the 30 plus years I've been going to Giants games, they've always been there. I've thrown back way more than my fair share, but now I'm older and don't drink much at all. As long as people aren't bothering me or the people around me then they can get their lode on. I hope these people aren't driving drunk, though I'm sure they probably are.
I went with my wife last year,  
GiAnT4LYFE : 9/26/2016 12:20 pm : link
Who is an Eagles fan, and a friend who is a Giants fan. It wasn't bad for her. A couple assholes made comments, until they saw us, then acted like pussies when confronted. It happens.
I had gone to the old stadium for over 24 years  
Sec 103 : 9/26/2016 12:28 pm : link
Had a great section of fans in Sec 103, it was almost like a family gathering during most games. Every new season brought new hope and seeing old friends was never a let down. I miss that camaraderie as well as the tailgate parties we had. Out tailgate was always 30 to 35 people and grew now and then to 50+ for pig roasts. Hate to say it but I went to opening day with my son when the new toaster opened and both of us had the same opinions on the stadium and the crowd. Have been back just one other time and doubt that I'll ever go back again. I rather travel at least to one game per year just to experience other cities and stadiums, so far, so good... Otherwise, it's my den and my big screen.
Shitty loss yesterday afternoon.... For chrissakes...
I went to the game yesterday with my 13 year old daughter  
fireitup77 : 9/26/2016 12:37 pm : link
and we had a blast. Sound worked fine in Sec. 331. No obnoxious drunks. No fights.

At halftime we were both able to hit the head and get something to eat. I was amazed that the lines were so short.

I like to watch stuff that happens away from the ball. You can't do that watching on TV.
I've been going to games since 1987  
Matt in SGS : 9/26/2016 12:39 pm : link
and I'm 42, so I'm kind of in your same wheelhouse. What I've noticed over the years is the "knowledgeable" Giants fans that Madden and Summerall used to laud when they did game, has declined. Here is a small example, and it does have to do with the drinking. In the past, fans understood when to get up to get a drink/go to the bathroom/ etc. You used to wait for a play to be over. If you were coming down the aisle, you would actually kneel down and wait for a play to be over, and then make your way in. Now, in the middle of a play, people will just get up and stroll in, no clue that there is action on the field. Drives me insane.
Factor in the time of year  
GIANTS128 : 9/26/2016 12:57 pm : link
Lots of non fans at the game yesterday also. Lots of little kids..etc. Once the cold weather starts you start seeing the more hardcore fans. Also why is everyone buying those soggy nathans fries and overpriced chicken strips. I saw one guy he had about a 60 dollar tray....the Giants love people like that.
RE: I've been going to games since 1987  
Mad Mike : 9/26/2016 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13143644 Matt in SGS said:
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and I'm 42, so I'm kind of in your same wheelhouse. What I've noticed over the years is the "knowledgeable" Giants fans that Madden and Summerall used to laud when they did game, has declined. Here is a small example, and it does have to do with the drinking. In the past, fans understood when to get up to get a drink/go to the bathroom/ etc. You used to wait for a play to be over. If you were coming down the aisle, you would actually kneel down and wait for a play to be over, and then make your way in. Now, in the middle of a play, people will just get up and stroll in, no clue that there is action on the field. Drives me insane.

Yeah, the constant up and down is a drag, and seems quite a bit worse than in the past. Drunkenness and fighting doesn't seem materially different to me than in the past, and, at least in my section, I can hear the refs just fine. It is frustrating that there are more people not really paying attention to the game in front of them, but that just seems to be the way of the world now - it's pretty much that way at every sporting event I go to, not just MetLife.
RE: RE: I've been going to games since 1987  
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In comment 13143730 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 13143644 Matt in SGS said:


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and I'm 42, so I'm kind of in your same wheelhouse. What I've noticed over the years is the "knowledgeable" Giants fans that Madden and Summerall used to laud when they did game, has declined. Here is a small example, and it does have to do with the drinking. In the past, fans understood when to get up to get a drink/go to the bathroom/ etc. You used to wait for a play to be over. If you were coming down the aisle, you would actually kneel down and wait for a play to be over, and then make your way in. Now, in the middle of a play, people will just get up and stroll in, no clue that there is action on the field. Drives me insane.


Yeah, the constant up and down is a drag, and seems quite a bit worse than in the past. Drunkenness and fighting doesn't seem materially different to me than in the past, and, at least in my section, I can hear the refs just fine. It is frustrating that there are more people not really paying attention to the game in front of them, but that just seems to be the way of the world now - it's pretty much that way at every sporting event I go to, not just MetLife.


I agree with this. The drunkenness and fights in my opinion does not seem any different than it did 15 years ago. The way of the world is different in terms of people not paying as much attention to the game, on their phones, etc. But that doesn't change anywhere. The experience of the game is certainly a lot about who you attend with. I have had very few bad experiences and attend almost every game. And everyone has been a drunk before- there are very few Giants fans in my experience who would respond negatively if asked nicely to change a behavior.

I do miss Giants Stadium and so many of the things that go with it- the rustic feel, the continuity of the people around you if you are a season ticket holder or regular, and a lot of that has been ruined by PSL's/Stubhub over the last several years.

I am not a MetLife apologist- but I will say this. The experience at MetLife is 10x better than the experience of a game at new Yankee Stadium. I have been quite impressed how easily you can make a bathroom trip or get beers/food at MetLife. You can make very trip concession or bathroom trips, even at halftime. This has gotten better over the years, while at Yankee Stadium it's a 2-3 inning commitment if you want to eat or get a new beer. It's absolutely absurd.

Like was said above, early September games are a bit different. As the season goes on, less social-event crowd fans are at the games and the more hardcore fans fill the seats. Hopefully this team will still be competitive this year by then...
if the NFL  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/26/2016 1:25 pm : link
ever evolved to where I could watch a TV feed that also showed an "all-22" view, I'm not sure I'd ever go to a Giants game unless I had amazing tickets for free or a suite for free.
RE: Plus there are so many ways you can do it as well  
giantsfan227B : 9/26/2016 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13143505 Essex said:
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First, fix your sound system. If you can't do that, the US Open with a sponser (AMEX) passes out free radios to the people there so they can listen to the broadcast and get the commentary. I am sure a sponser would be willing to do it. The Giants and NFL need to get this right. You want to review every other play, that's your choice, but don't leave the consumer at the game in the blind. Fix it


Actually, I never thought of this. That is a great idea. My wife and friends went to the US Open. I just figured the broadcast would be delayed from the live action but they said it was synced up. At the very least send it to the season ticket holders. I would have love to have heard either Bob Papa or even the Fox telecast when calls were challenged and they go to Mike Perriera for his perspective.

I had received an email from the team last week to fill out a survey. I filled it out this week and put my thoughts down as to the Skins game and the sound system, drinking etc.. I also think with 4 screens they can do a much better job with Red Zone. Don't need sound but why not play it continuously and the other screen has game highlights and stats. Make the game as similar to being at home as possible.
pjcas18  
Tuckrule : 9/26/2016 3:59 pm : link
okay dude....ill offer you 50 yard line seats club level and your going to turn that down im sure of it. The fact that people complain about fan behavior is comical. Its 80k people of course you will get people who are interested and some not. Some there for the game and others there for the social aspect. Your very cool saying you would never go to a game. True fan. You sound die hard my man
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