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GiantNatty : 9/26/2016 11:04 am
I didn't hear Kerrigan's name once yesterday and I didn't see Hart getting a lot of help either. Eli had time all day. I haven't rewatched, but I sense Hart played well in his first start. if so, this is a good development in an otherwise ocean of feces. Wtf Eli?!?!?!
Hart held his own  
Beer Man : 9/26/2016 11:07 am : link
yesterday. I think his long term position is RG. Time will tell if he can build on what he did yesterday.
Eli had time all day?  
Giantology : 9/26/2016 11:09 am : link
I dont know about that. He had time when he needed it, though.
RE: Eli had time all day?  
BlueHurricane : 9/26/2016 11:15 am : link
In comment 13143382 Giantology said:
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I dont know about that. He had time when he needed it, though.


Eli is unloading the ball very fast. Its stopping him from getting the ball down field.

If we try to go down field he will be getting destroyed.
Eli took massive hits all day  
ZGiants98 : 9/26/2016 11:27 am : link
No idea what some of you are talking about.
If Hart holds his own next Monday, I'll be ready to give him the job.  
Tom in NY : 9/26/2016 11:34 am : link
Minnesota is a whole 'nother level of pass rush.

Hart is a RT. They tried him at Guard all summer, and he was wildly unsuccessful there.
RE: Eli took massive hits all day  
Greg from LI : 9/26/2016 11:35 am : link
In comment 13143431 ZGiants98 said:
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No idea what some of you are talking about.


Um, no he didn't.
Agree with BH  
Johnny5 : 9/26/2016 11:35 am : link
Our offense's biggest problem right now is we can't stretch the field with longer throws... because Eli doesn't have the time.
Maybe but  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 11:36 am : link
the rest of line was exposed again.

But PFF said our offensive line was awesome  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 11:36 am : link
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Eli had no time to throw  
Vanzetti : 9/26/2016 11:41 am : link
He did not take a lot of sacks because he was getting rid of the ball like lightening.

Anyone who thinks he had a lot of time to throw just does not understand what is transpiring at the LOS
I am fine with  
idiotsavant : 9/26/2016 11:41 am : link
Letting Hart start, but we gotta start running some zip quick like end runs to give out tackles a chance to smash face lay some wood and not always be on the receiving end.


Similar was employed (at times, prior to ejection) in the interior with great results , extend that to the ends.

Also notice, play action may be back on the interior runs,... play action off end runs is a thing now

All that said, if Beatty is up to par at left, you pass block
He did not have time all day, not at all.  
barens : 9/26/2016 11:43 am : link
Kirk Cousins had time all day, but the pocket was collapsing quickly for Eli.
Was going to post about draft Tunsil  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 11:44 am : link
and then saw the original smoking video
What a moron - ( New Window )
Look at the Pats  
idiotsavant : 9/26/2016 11:45 am : link
QB TD with some nobody QB.

The ORT did not delay,he just speared that fucking DE at the snap . does wonders for your tackles mind set also. Before flowers starts crying and shit.
Who said he had all day?  
Greg from LI : 9/26/2016 11:48 am : link
Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.
In addition  
idiotsavant : 9/26/2016 12:08 pm : link
Using a consistent method , whatever it be, will help our QB know when he has time and when he doesn't.

So, with "the Tyree" it was not so much the quality, but that his comfort level with what sort of chaos it might be.
RE: Eli had no time to throw  
Mason : 9/26/2016 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13143475 Vanzetti said:
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He did not take a lot of sacks because he was getting rid of the ball like lightening.

Anyone who thinks he had a lot of time to throw just does not understand what is transpiring at the LOS


He actually decent time to throw but made some questionable throws.
RE: He did not have time all day, not at all.  
Mason : 9/26/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13143483 barens said:
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Kirk Cousins had time all day, but the pocket was collapsing quickly for Eli.


Pocket also collapse for Cousins. Stop deflecting. Eli didn't even have to scramble much and just step into most of his throws. Once again he made bad decisions yesterday.
Need to avoid adverse down and distance vs. Minnesota.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/26/2016 12:24 pm : link
Brian Robison is a solid vet, but I think Danielle Hunter's speed/power combination off the edge presents a worse matchup for Bobby Hart. The Giants can help Hart by keeping Hunter on the sidelines, or at least keeping him honest with a credible threat of running the ball.
RE: Agree with BH  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/26/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13143459 Johnny5 said:
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Our offense's biggest problem right now is we can't stretch the field with longer throws... because Eli doesn't have the time.


I need to look at the All-22 tomorrow when it's available to examine this. But I don't think the lack of deep passes is because of the line rather than opponents are playing deep to a point where you can't take those shots.

The Saints did this in the last game, all but declaring they won't get beat deep, but will give up everything else and how the Giants will run just enough plays to make a mistake or get bogged down and settled for 3 points.
Sure looked to me that Eli  
nicky43 : 9/26/2016 1:25 pm : link
was forced to rush many of his throws and even when he was only taking 2 steps before throwing it so that includes the short passes as well. Most of the time there wasn't even a pocket for him to step up into.

RE: RE: Agree with BH  
Johnny5 : 9/26/2016 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13143757 BigBlueinChicago said:
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Our offense's biggest problem right now is we can't stretch the field with longer throws... because Eli doesn't have the time.



I need to look at the All-22 tomorrow when it's available to examine this. But I don't think the lack of deep passes is because of the line rather than opponents are playing deep to a point where you can't take those shots.

The Saints did this in the last game, all but declaring they won't get beat deep, but will give up everything else and how the Giants will run just enough plays to make a mistake or get bogged down and settled for 3 points.

That definitely makes sense. I have to say in my eyes Eli is getting rid of the ball awfully fast for the most part. It seems whenever he hangs onto it looking for something to develop he is getting hit and hit hard. It's probably blue colored perception but I felt that Cousins had much more time for his reads, and for the most part seemed pretty comfortable in the pocket for longer periods of time.
RE: Eli took massive hits all day  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/26/2016 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13143431 ZGiants98 said:
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No idea what some of you are talking about.


He got crushed in a play were John Jerry just gave up on his block. It was hardly all day.
RE: RE: Eli took massive hits all day  
Mike in Philly : 9/26/2016 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13143911 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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No idea what some of you are talking about.



He got crushed in a play were John Jerry just gave up on his block. It was hardly all day.
Wasn't that the play where Eli fumbled because Jerry let his man go free, then Jerry recovered the fumble?
RE: If Hart holds his own next Monday, I'll be ready to give him the job.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/26/2016 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13143449 Tom in NY said:
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Minnesota is a whole 'nother level of pass rush.

Hart is a RT. They tried him at Guard all summer, and he was wildly unsuccessful there.


Wanted TC gone a few years ago and Loved Zimmer as the guy to replace him. Think jes got a lot to do w that teams success. Snooze you lose. Giants ownership will find out sooner than later if all their faith and trust was the smart move.

Zimmer has transformed that team. Marvin Lewis was lucky to have him IMO
RE: Eli took massive hits all day  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13143431 ZGiants98 said:
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No idea what some of you are talking about.


False.

On 41 dropbacks, Eli was:

Sacked 2 times
Hit 0 times
Hurried 5 times

7 total pressures.
RE: Agree with BH  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13143459 Johnny5 said:
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Our offense's biggest problem right now is we can't stretch the field with longer throws... because Eli doesn't have the time.


Uh, no. It's because teams are defending the deep throws.
RE: Who said he had all day?  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13143502 Greg from LI said:
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Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.


That was Richburg's fault. Richburg was supposed to slide right and pick up Baker. Jerry expected Richburg to pick him up.

Richburg was pissed at himself and got a penalty.
RE: Eli had no time to throw  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13143475 Vanzetti said:
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He did not take a lot of sacks because he was getting rid of the ball like lightening.

Anyone who thinks he had a lot of time to throw just does not understand what is transpiring at the LOS


Eli had all day to throw most of the game.
RE: RE: Eli took massive hits all day  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13143911 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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No idea what some of you are talking about.



He got crushed in a play were John Jerry just gave up on his block. It was hardly all day.


Jerry didn't give up on the block. Richburg was supposed to slide right and pick up Baker. That was Richburg's assignment.
RE: Who said he had all day?  
T-Bone : 9/26/2016 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13143502 Greg from LI said:
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Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.


I would love to know what was going on in Jerry's mind on that play. The reaction from Richburg is priceless.
RE: RE: RE: Eli took massive hits all day  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13143921 Mike in Philly said:
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No idea what some of you are talking about.



He got crushed in a play were John Jerry just gave up on his block. It was hardly all day.

Wasn't that the play where Eli fumbled because Jerry let his man go free, then Jerry recovered the fumble?


Jerry let Baker go free because Richburg was supposed to slide right and pick him up.

That was 100% on Richburg. Richburg was pissed at himself after the sacks and got a penalty.
RE: RE: Who said he had all day?  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 3:03 pm : link
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Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.



I would love to know what was going on in Jerry's mind on that play. The reaction from Richburg is priceless.



It was Richburg's fault. Richburg was supposed to slide right post-snap and pick up Baker.

Jerry was expecting Richburg to pick up Baker. Richburg's reaction was anger...AT HIMSELF.
RE: RE: RE: Eli took massive hits all day  
T-Bone : 9/26/2016 3:06 pm : link
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No idea what some of you are talking about.



He got crushed in a play were John Jerry just gave up on his block. It was hardly all day.



Jerry didn't give up on the block. Richburg was supposed to slide right and pick up Baker. That was Richburg's assignment.


I disagree with this. I'm going off of memory here but I remember Richburg being engaged with the DT and it appears he's expecting Jerry to be there as well (double-teaming the DT) and for whatever reason Jerry went and tried to help Hart (who didn't need any help).
RE: RE: RE: Who said he had all day?  
T-Bone : 9/26/2016 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13144117 BMcAdoo999 said:
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Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.



I would love to know what was going on in Jerry's mind on that play. The reaction from Richburg is priceless.




It was Richburg's fault. Richburg was supposed to slide right post-snap and pick up Baker.

Jerry was expecting Richburg to pick up Baker. Richburg's reaction was anger...AT HIMSELF.


I don't think that's the case at all. Again, going by memory, I remember Jerry engaging the DT with Richburg initially and then peeling off to help Hart (who didn't need any help). Now... maybe it's possible somehow signals got mixed up (not a good one for Richburg) between the two of them but it looked like the call was for the both of them to double the DT to me.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Who said he had all day?  
BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 3:28 pm : link
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Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.



I would love to know what was going on in Jerry's mind on that play. The reaction from Richburg is priceless.




It was Richburg's fault. Richburg was supposed to slide right post-snap and pick up Baker.

Jerry was expecting Richburg to pick up Baker. Richburg's reaction was anger...AT HIMSELF.



I don't think that's the case at all. Again, going by memory, I remember Jerry engaging the DT with Richburg initially and then peeling off to help Hart (who didn't need any help). Now... maybe it's possible somehow signals got mixed up (not a good one for Richburg) between the two of them but it looked like the call was for the both of them to double the DT to me.


False.

Richburg wound up not blocking anybody on that play.

It was Ruchburg's man.

Jerry expected Baker to get picked up.

NOT on John Jerry.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Who said he had all day?  
T-Bone : 9/26/2016 3:34 pm : link
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Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.



I would love to know what was going on in Jerry's mind on that play. The reaction from Richburg is priceless.




It was Richburg's fault. Richburg was supposed to slide right post-snap and pick up Baker.

Jerry was expecting Richburg to pick up Baker. Richburg's reaction was anger...AT HIMSELF.



I don't think that's the case at all. Again, going by memory, I remember Jerry engaging the DT with Richburg initially and then peeling off to help Hart (who didn't need any help). Now... maybe it's possible somehow signals got mixed up (not a good one for Richburg) between the two of them but it looked like the call was for the both of them to double the DT to me.



False.

Richburg wound up not blocking anybody on that play.

It was Ruchburg's man.

Jerry expected Baker to get picked up.

NOT on John Jerry.


LOL! Oh I get it. You must be the 'John Jerry' guy.

Let's agree to disagree.
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BMcAdoo999 : 9/26/2016 4:03 pm : link
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Pass pro was up and down. Good protection sometimes, weak protection sometimes, but this belief that there was some kind of jailbreak pass rush all day long is false.

The only time that happened was when Jerry, for reasons known only to him, decided to simply stop blocking his man and move over to "help" Hart, who didn't need the help in the first place. That was surreal. I've never seen that.



I would love to know what was going on in Jerry's mind on that play. The reaction from Richburg is priceless.




It was Richburg's fault. Richburg was supposed to slide right post-snap and pick up Baker.

Jerry was expecting Richburg to pick up Baker. Richburg's reaction was anger...AT HIMSELF.



I don't think that's the case at all. Again, going by memory, I remember Jerry engaging the DT with Richburg initially and then peeling off to help Hart (who didn't need any help). Now... maybe it's possible somehow signals got mixed up (not a good one for Richburg) between the two of them but it looked like the call was for the both of them to double the DT to me.



False.

Richburg wound up not blocking anybody on that play.

It was Ruchburg's man.

Jerry expected Baker to get picked up.

NOT on John Jerry.



LOL! Oh I get it. You must be the 'John Jerry' guy.

Let's agree to disagree.


Dude, watch the replay.

Richburg slapped his helmet with both hands because he knew right away he made a mental error.

He was supposed to slide right and pick up Baker.
To be fair  
Johnny5 : 9/26/2016 8:25 pm : link
It's clear Jerry slides to the right, and you do see Richburg standing alone and slapping his helmet after Eli gets sacked. Does look like he should have slid over and possibly Jerry was passing off the defender to him.
Hart was blocking Kerrigan  
section125 : 9/26/2016 8:40 pm : link
who is a speed rusher and Hart gave up one sack that looped way behind Eli and came back. And at that, Eli kind of held the ball. One time Hart's man hit Eli late crawling along the ground. Think that was a roughing the passer penalty for hitting the QB low.
I thought Hart's run blocking might have been better than Newhouse.

I was hoping somebody did a critique on Hart. It would be nice to see if Newhouse could be replaced.
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