He knows the playbook, blocks pretty well and has a good track record of ball security. And he can doubtless run into Linval Joseph's gut 15 times as well as anyone in the League.
Under normal circumstances, AW isn't a replacement for Vereen in any way, shape or form. (That's Rainey's job.) But with Vereen filling in for Jennings, the circumstances aren't normal.
because of the Vereen injury or as insurance for Jennings being out longer?
If Vereen I don't see the logic. Williams rushed the ball 704 times in 4 years at BC and caught 10 total passes.
senior year he rushed a whopping 355 times and caught 0 passes.
As a Vereen replacement this is not your guy.
Williams is definitely not a receiving back...more of a move the pile short yardage back...More insurance for Jennings and you can bring him off the street since he knows the system...and the Giants 2nd leading rusher last year..some backs like Tiki for instance take a few years to develop...I say re-sign Williams now that there is depth opportunity and lets see what he can do until the end of the year
...but Williams is the guy who can step right in. He's spent two full seasons and three camps under McAdoo and Craig Johnson. Pass pro assignments and terminology may have changed a bit this year under Solari, but Williams was there until the final cuts.
Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.
...but Williams is the guy who can step right in. He's spent two full seasons and three camps under McAdoo and Craig Johnson. Pass pro assignments and terminology may have changed a bit this year under Solari, but Williams was there until the final cuts.
Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.
No doubt about it. I would think Williams is on top of the list, but there are definitely better pure RBs out there. No one to jump and down for (Karlos Williams Jr. maybe, but he has a ton of off-the-field issues), but still guys who have been more productive than Williams.
But I do agree. Williams is probably on the top of the list because of his familiarity with the offense.
to start with, and he doesn't replace Vereen's skill set. If they sign him, he probably won't dress. I'd look elsewhere either for someone who can junp right in or someone with more potential who will sit for now.
RE: It's all well and good to throw around names...
...but Williams is the guy who can step right in. He's spent two full seasons and three camps under McAdoo and Craig Johnson. Pass pro assignments and terminology may have changed a bit this year under Solari, but Williams was there until the final cuts.
Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.
Signing Williams serves no purpose. You've seen him. You know he cannot get the job done, even short yardage, and worst case you have to play him.
At this point, Andre Williams is just throwing a name around. One you know.
Knowing the playbook and sucking is not necessarily better than not knowing the playbook and potentially not sucking as much.
Signing Williams serves no purpose. You've seen him. You know he cannot get the job done, even short yardage, and worst case you have to play him.
At this point, Andre Williams is just throwing a name around. One you know.
Knowing the playbook and sucking is not necessarily better than not knowing the playbook and potentially not sucking as much.
Well, it might depend on whether the guy who potentially sucks less will have time to learn the playbook well enough not to be a hazard to himself and his quarterback.
When the Giants cut to 53 players, three running backs were basically roster locks: Jennings, who is hurt; Vereen, who is done for the year; and Perkins, the Draft Redshirt who may or may not be ready to play. That's a fairly seismic shift. The Giants may need a back to step in and play next Monday. If that's the case, a even player who might eventually suck less than AW is unlikely to fill the immediate need as well.
in preseason and yesterday. I think he'll do a good job filling in for Vereen and they'll begin to phase Perkins in as the months role on.
I think Bobby Rainey is a coach-killer in the Preston Parker mold. He will flash enough to stay in the League, then cost you a game with a critical mistake. Yesterday was a typical Bobby Rainey performance: the dynamic run and catch with the screen was great. But when the game got tight, he missed a TD opportunity and was a questionable call away from costing Eli an interception.
Perkins put the ball on the ground twice in preseason. This team needs a mistake free performance to win next Monday. He needs to wait till after the bye. I see no reason why Jennings can't be the 3rd down back with Darkwa getting early down work.
I know he has his off the field issues, but he's far and away the most talented available back.
Bell, Williams, and Spiller all deserve a look. I wonder if Bradshaw has anything left in the tank, even though I understand that's 99% likely to not occur.
RE: I get that times changed and Williams knows the playbook
but signing him fits the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Unless something changed recently with Williams that being cut twice in 30 days has caused, I'd rather hand the ball off to Herzlich.
OK, that was funny, and nicely timed: my after-lunch coffee went right out through my nose.
After watching the angle Mark Herzlich took on the Crowder punt return, I wouldn't mind relegating him to a seat on the couch next to Andre Williams.
Seriously, though, nobody expects radically different results from Williams. I just think that, in a stopgap role while Jennings heals, 3 YPC and competent blocking might be better than 5 YPC, a fumble and a blown blitz pickup by Bobby Rainey or Orleans Darkwa. In other words, we all know what Andre Williams is; but what are the other guys?
RE: RE: I get that times changed and Williams knows the playbook
but signing him fits the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Unless something changed recently with Williams that being cut twice in 30 days has caused, I'd rather hand the ball off to Herzlich.
OK, that was funny, and nicely timed: my after-lunch coffee went right out through my nose.
After watching the angle Mark Herzlich took on the Crowder punt return, I wouldn't mind relegating him to a seat on the couch next to Andre Williams.
Seriously, though, nobody expects radically different results from Williams. I just think that, in a stopgap role while Jennings heals, 3 YPC and competent blocking might be better than 5 YPC, a fumble and a blown blitz pickup by Bobby Rainey or Orleans Darkwa. In other words, we all know what Andre Williams is; but what are the other guys?
I think Jennings returns this week and they go with Jennings, Darkwa, Perkins and Rainey. And leave it at that.
I also think with tomorrow being Tuesday they'll have RB's in working out with CB's and TE's and maybe see someone show them something worth signing.
And I agree Williams seems the simplest option, I just think he's a waste of a roster spot.
in preseason and yesterday. I think he'll do a good job filling in for Vereen and they'll begin to phase Perkins in as the months role on.
I think Bobby Rainey is a coach-killer in the Preston Parker mold. He will flash enough to stay in the League, then cost you a game with a critical mistake. Yesterday was a typical Bobby Rainey performance: the dynamic run and catch with the screen was great. But when the game got tight, he missed a TD opportunity and was a questionable call away from costing Eli an interception.
100% agree...exactly my thoughts when I watched the game...hate to say it I would have kept Williams..Rainey is a journeyman RB with multiple teams and is almost 30..Willams just turned 24
Couldn't disagree more about Rainey sure he has been
prone to Fumbles but the problem was with Punt Returns
where he has fumbled way too much ...
Punt Returns 36 Attempts 7 fumbles
Kick Returns 32 Attempts 0 fumbles
Receiving 52 Catches 2 fumbles
Rushing 249 Attempts 3 fumbles
The 7 punt return fumbles all occurred in one season
with Vareen Out I for one am glad he is still with us .
I am not saying he is all world but with the few times
he has had the ball in his hands he has shown to be capable
of some big plays .
I hope like hell they don't bring Williams back I don't
dislike the man but the player is deficient .
choice to assume Vereen's role and Jennings can stay on the field on 3rd down also. And maybe Perkins gets a chance sooner than expected -- if he can pass protect.
of anything that would better stall our offense than inserting him into the huddle. And I don't recall but didn't think he adds anything pSpecials either.
I would rather Eli just call roll out tosses to the TEs or WR reverses than ever put Williams in the game.
Stop it meanie! He's a person!
-Randy in CT
Why not activate Perkins, Darkwa, and Rainey on game day until Jennings is back?
If Vereen I don't see the logic. Williams rushed the ball 704 times in 4 years at BC and caught 10 total passes.
senior year he rushed a whopping 355 times and caught 0 passes.
As a Vereen replacement this is not your guy.
The OL has been better than anticipated. Who out there would be a better depth guy?
Under normal circumstances, AW isn't a replacement for Vereen in any way, shape or form. (That's Rainey's job.) But with Vereen filling in for Jennings, the circumstances aren't normal.
If Vereen I don't see the logic. Williams rushed the ball 704 times in 4 years at BC and caught 10 total passes.
senior year he rushed a whopping 355 times and caught 0 passes.
As a Vereen replacement this is not your guy.
Williams is definitely not a receiving back...more of a move the pile short yardage back...More insurance for Jennings and you can bring him off the street since he knows the system...and the Giants 2nd leading rusher last year..some backs like Tiki for instance take a few years to develop...I say re-sign Williams now that there is depth opportunity and lets see what he can do until the end of the year
CJ Spiller is out there.
Bernard Pierce, Roy Helu and Pierre Thomas all fit the mold a little.
If you want younger and developmental Tyler Gaffney was among the final cuts in NE, I thought he had good hands and could run a little.
Heck if you're looking for more Jennings inusrance I'd consider Trent Richardson and Karlos Williams before Andre Williams.
No clue if all these guys are still FA's, I know they were recently and I believe healthy.
the fact he hasn't played football in over two years should mean he's well rested.
Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.
Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.
No doubt about it. I would think Williams is on top of the list, but there are definitely better pure RBs out there. No one to jump and down for (Karlos Williams Jr. maybe, but he has a ton of off-the-field issues), but still guys who have been more productive than Williams.
But I do agree. Williams is probably on the top of the list because of his familiarity with the offense.
Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.
Signing Williams serves no purpose. You've seen him. You know he cannot get the job done, even short yardage, and worst case you have to play him.
At this point, Andre Williams is just throwing a name around. One you know.
Knowing the playbook and sucking is not necessarily better than not knowing the playbook and potentially not sucking as much.
But if one of those guys go down, I think Williams' phone will be ringing.
pjcas18 said:
At this point, Andre Williams is just throwing a name around. One you know.
Knowing the playbook and sucking is not necessarily better than not knowing the playbook and potentially not sucking as much.
Well, it might depend on whether the guy who potentially sucks less will have time to learn the playbook well enough not to be a hazard to himself and his quarterback.
When the Giants cut to 53 players, three running backs were basically roster locks: Jennings, who is hurt; Vereen, who is done for the year; and Perkins, the Draft Redshirt who may or may not be ready to play. That's a fairly seismic shift. The Giants may need a back to step in and play next Monday. If that's the case, a even player who might eventually suck less than AW is unlikely to fill the immediate need as well.
I think Bobby Rainey is a coach-killer in the Preston Parker mold. He will flash enough to stay in the League, then cost you a game with a critical mistake. Yesterday was a typical Bobby Rainey performance: the dynamic run and catch with the screen was great. But when the game got tight, he missed a TD opportunity and was a questionable call away from costing Eli an interception.
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Unless something changed recently with Williams that being cut twice in 30 days has caused, I'd rather hand the ball off to Herzlich.
I know he has his off the field issues, but he's far and away the most talented available back.
Bell, Williams, and Spiller all deserve a look. I wonder if Bradshaw has anything left in the tank, even though I understand that's 99% likely to not occur.
OK, that was funny, and nicely timed: my after-lunch coffee went right out through my nose.
After watching the angle Mark Herzlich took on the Crowder punt return, I wouldn't mind relegating him to a seat on the couch next to Andre Williams.
Seriously, though, nobody expects radically different results from Williams. I just think that, in a stopgap role while Jennings heals, 3 YPC and competent blocking might be better than 5 YPC, a fumble and a blown blitz pickup by Bobby Rainey or Orleans Darkwa. In other words, we all know what Andre Williams is; but what are the other guys?
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but signing him fits the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Unless something changed recently with Williams that being cut twice in 30 days has caused, I'd rather hand the ball off to Herzlich.
OK, that was funny, and nicely timed: my after-lunch coffee went right out through my nose.
After watching the angle Mark Herzlich took on the Crowder punt return, I wouldn't mind relegating him to a seat on the couch next to Andre Williams.
Seriously, though, nobody expects radically different results from Williams. I just think that, in a stopgap role while Jennings heals, 3 YPC and competent blocking might be better than 5 YPC, a fumble and a blown blitz pickup by Bobby Rainey or Orleans Darkwa. In other words, we all know what Andre Williams is; but what are the other guys?
I think Jennings returns this week and they go with Jennings, Darkwa, Perkins and Rainey. And leave it at that.
I also think with tomorrow being Tuesday they'll have RB's in working out with CB's and TE's and maybe see someone show them something worth signing.
And I agree Williams seems the simplest option, I just think he's a waste of a roster spot.
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in preseason and yesterday. I think he'll do a good job filling in for Vereen and they'll begin to phase Perkins in as the months role on.
I think Bobby Rainey is a coach-killer in the Preston Parker mold. He will flash enough to stay in the League, then cost you a game with a critical mistake. Yesterday was a typical Bobby Rainey performance: the dynamic run and catch with the screen was great. But when the game got tight, he missed a TD opportunity and was a questionable call away from costing Eli an interception.
100% agree...exactly my thoughts when I watched the game...hate to say it I would have kept Williams..Rainey is a journeyman RB with multiple teams and is almost 30..Willams just turned 24
prone to Fumbles but the problem was with Punt Returns
where he has fumbled way too much ...
Punt Returns 36 Attempts 7 fumbles
Kick Returns 32 Attempts 0 fumbles
Receiving 52 Catches 2 fumbles
Rushing 249 Attempts 3 fumbles
The 7 punt return fumbles all occurred in one season
with Vareen Out I for one am glad he is still with us .
I am not saying he is all world but with the few times
he has had the ball in his hands he has shown to be capable
of some big plays .
I hope like hell they don't bring Williams back I don't
dislike the man but the player is deficient .
Or any modern offense.
I would rather Eli just call roll out tosses to the TEs or WR reverses than ever put Williams in the game.