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Andre Williams

geelabee : 9/26/2016 1:13 pm
Warming up in the bull pen...After being cut last week by San Diego...My prediction by Wednesday he will be re-signed ....
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Danny Kanell : 9/26/2016 1:15 pm : link
You know, you're probably right.
he stinks  
jintz4life : 9/26/2016 1:17 pm : link
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RE: he stinks  
Danny Kanell : 9/26/2016 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13143782 jintz4life said:
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Stop it meanie! He's a person!

-Randy in CT
A guy with stone hands will replace  
Mr. Bungle : 9/26/2016 1:19 pm : link
a receiving back?

Why not activate Perkins, Darkwa, and Rainey on game day until Jennings is back?
Are you saying this  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 1:22 pm : link
because of the Vereen injury or as insurance for Jennings being out longer?

If Vereen I don't see the logic. Williams rushed the ball 704 times in 4 years at BC and caught 10 total passes.

senior year he rushed a whopping 355 times and caught 0 passes.

As a Vereen replacement this is not your guy.
Depth  
David B. : 9/26/2016 1:26 pm : link
He knows the offense.

The OL has been better than anticipated. Who out there would be a better depth guy?
If Jennings can't play Monday, Williams makes sense.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/26/2016 1:28 pm : link
He knows the playbook, blocks pretty well and has a good track record of ball security. And he can doubtless run into Linval Joseph's gut 15 times as well as anyone in the League.

Under normal circumstances, AW isn't a replacement for Vereen in any way, shape or form. (That's Rainey's job.) But with Vereen filling in for Jennings, the circumstances aren't normal.
RE: Are you saying this  
geelabee : 9/26/2016 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13143799 pjcas18 said:
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because of the Vereen injury or as insurance for Jennings being out longer?

If Vereen I don't see the logic. Williams rushed the ball 704 times in 4 years at BC and caught 10 total passes.

senior year he rushed a whopping 355 times and caught 0 passes.

As a Vereen replacement this is not your guy.


Williams is definitely not a receiving back...more of a move the pile short yardage back...More insurance for Jennings and you can bring him off the street since he knows the system...and the Giants 2nd leading rusher last year..some backs like Tiki for instance take a few years to develop...I say re-sign Williams now that there is depth opportunity and lets see what he can do until the end of the year
I'd sign  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 1:31 pm : link
Joique Bell if the Giants want a guy who can catch.

CJ Spiller is out there.

Bernard Pierce, Roy Helu and Pierre Thomas all fit the mold a little.

If you want younger and developmental Tyler Gaffney was among the final cuts in NE, I thought he had good hands and could run a little.

Heck if you're looking for more Jennings inusrance I'd consider Trent Richardson and Karlos Williams before Andre Williams.


No clue if all these guys are still FA's, I know they were recently and I believe healthy.
I'd rather sign CJ Spiller than Andre Williams  
Anakim : 9/26/2016 1:32 pm : link
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I'm just waiting for someone to suggest Ray Rice  
Anakim : 9/26/2016 1:34 pm : link
Because RUTGERS!!!
Well Ray Rice  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 1:36 pm : link
did say if someone signed him he'd donate his whole paycheck to domestic violence charities.

the fact he hasn't played football in over two years should mean he's well rested.

It's all well and good to throw around names...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/26/2016 1:38 pm : link
...but Williams is the guy who can step right in. He's spent two full seasons and three camps under McAdoo and Craig Johnson. Pass pro assignments and terminology may have changed a bit this year under Solari, but Williams was there until the final cuts.

Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.
I'd promote/play Perkins before signing Spiller  
David B. : 9/26/2016 1:38 pm : link
Williams makes a lot of sense if you leave him at the bottom of the depth chart.
Again, if Jennings is full-go, the Williams idea is moot.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/26/2016 1:41 pm : link
But I'd rather hand the ball to Andre Williams, with all his flaws, than to a Rashad Jennings who can't use his left hand.
RE: It's all well and good to throw around names...  
Anakim : 9/26/2016 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13143852 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...but Williams is the guy who can step right in. He's spent two full seasons and three camps under McAdoo and Craig Johnson. Pass pro assignments and terminology may have changed a bit this year under Solari, but Williams was there until the final cuts.

Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.


No doubt about it. I would think Williams is on top of the list, but there are definitely better pure RBs out there. No one to jump and down for (Karlos Williams Jr. maybe, but he has a ton of off-the-field issues), but still guys who have been more productive than Williams.


But I do agree. Williams is probably on the top of the list because of his familiarity with the offense.
He wasn't ahead of any of the remaining backs  
Bill in UT : 9/26/2016 1:42 pm : link
to start with, and he doesn't replace Vereen's skill set. If they sign him, he probably won't dress. I'd look elsewhere either for someone who can junp right in or someone with more potential who will sit for now.
RE: It's all well and good to throw around names...  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13143852 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...but Williams is the guy who can step right in. He's spent two full seasons and three camps under McAdoo and Craig Johnson. Pass pro assignments and terminology may have changed a bit this year under Solari, but Williams was there until the final cuts.

Even AW's worst detractors have to see the advantage of a back who knows the offense. Job One is protecting Eli Manning. Nobody else can step in and do that.


Signing Williams serves no purpose. You've seen him. You know he cannot get the job done, even short yardage, and worst case you have to play him.

At this point, Andre Williams is just throwing a name around. One you know.

Knowing the playbook and sucking is not necessarily better than not knowing the playbook and potentially not sucking as much.
Spiller has a pea-sized brain  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/26/2016 1:43 pm : link
That's why he is t part of a team right now.
not here  
HomerJones45 : 9/26/2016 1:45 pm : link
his difficulty catching the football is not a fit for this offense.
I don't think they need a RB per se  
Anakim : 9/26/2016 1:46 pm : link
Unless Jennings' injury is more serious than originally thought. They already have Darkwa, Rainey and Perkins on the roster. That's more than enough.


But if one of those guys go down, I think Williams' phone will be ringing.
wow  
mattlawson : 9/26/2016 1:55 pm : link
you might be right. but good thing we kept 5 RBs
I like what I saw from Rainey  
Old Dirty Beckham : 9/26/2016 2:07 pm : link
in preseason and yesterday. I think he'll do a good job filling in for Vereen and they'll begin to phase Perkins in as the months role on.
Is there a TE out there  
oldutican : 9/26/2016 2:09 pm : link
instead?
pjcas18: I think you have to look at the change of circumstances...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/26/2016 2:11 pm : link
...since the day Williams was cut.

pjcas18 said:
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Signing Williams serves no purpose. You've seen him. You know he cannot get the job done, even short yardage, and worst case you have to play him.

At this point, Andre Williams is just throwing a name around. One you know.

Knowing the playbook and sucking is not necessarily better than not knowing the playbook and potentially not sucking as much.

Well, it might depend on whether the guy who potentially sucks less will have time to learn the playbook well enough not to be a hazard to himself and his quarterback.

When the Giants cut to 53 players, three running backs were basically roster locks: Jennings, who is hurt; Vereen, who is done for the year; and Perkins, the Draft Redshirt who may or may not be ready to play. That's a fairly seismic shift. The Giants may need a back to step in and play next Monday. If that's the case, a even player who might eventually suck less than AW is unlikely to fill the immediate need as well.
RE: I like what I saw from Rainey  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/26/2016 2:16 pm : link
Old Dirty Beckham said:
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in preseason and yesterday. I think he'll do a good job filling in for Vereen and they'll begin to phase Perkins in as the months role on.

I think Bobby Rainey is a coach-killer in the Preston Parker mold. He will flash enough to stay in the League, then cost you a game with a critical mistake. Yesterday was a typical Bobby Rainey performance: the dynamic run and catch with the screen was great. But when the game got tight, he missed a TD opportunity and was a questionable call away from costing Eli an interception.
I'd  
AcidTest : 9/26/2016 2:20 pm : link
rather sign Hunter if he clears waivers, since DRC and Apple are hurt. But I could see them resigning Williams since Jennings isn't 100 percent.
I get that times changed and Williams knows the playbook  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 2:23 pm : link
but signing him fits the definition of insanity.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Unless something changed recently with Williams that being cut twice in 30 days has caused, I'd rather hand the ball off to Herzlich.
No to Perkins, maybe Williams  
giantgiantfan : 9/26/2016 2:29 pm : link
Perkins put the ball on the ground twice in preseason. This team needs a mistake free performance to win next Monday. He needs to wait till after the bye. I see no reason why Jennings can't be the 3rd down back with Darkwa getting early down work.
Karlos Williams is the one guy  
Sonic Youth : 9/26/2016 2:30 pm : link
who I find intriguing.

I know he has his off the field issues, but he's far and away the most talented available back.

Bell, Williams, and Spiller all deserve a look. I wonder if Bradshaw has anything left in the tank, even though I understand that's 99% likely to not occur.
RE: I get that times changed and Williams knows the playbook  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/26/2016 2:32 pm : link
pjcas18 said:
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but signing him fits the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Unless something changed recently with Williams that being cut twice in 30 days has caused, I'd rather hand the ball off to Herzlich.

OK, that was funny, and nicely timed: my after-lunch coffee went right out through my nose.

After watching the angle Mark Herzlich took on the Crowder punt return, I wouldn't mind relegating him to a seat on the couch next to Andre Williams.

Seriously, though, nobody expects radically different results from Williams. I just think that, in a stopgap role while Jennings heals, 3 YPC and competent blocking might be better than 5 YPC, a fumble and a blown blitz pickup by Bobby Rainey or Orleans Darkwa. In other words, we all know what Andre Williams is; but what are the other guys?
RE: RE: I get that times changed and Williams knows the playbook  
pjcas18 : 9/26/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13144039 Big Blue Blogger said:
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pjcas18 said:

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but signing him fits the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Unless something changed recently with Williams that being cut twice in 30 days has caused, I'd rather hand the ball off to Herzlich.


OK, that was funny, and nicely timed: my after-lunch coffee went right out through my nose.

After watching the angle Mark Herzlich took on the Crowder punt return, I wouldn't mind relegating him to a seat on the couch next to Andre Williams.

Seriously, though, nobody expects radically different results from Williams. I just think that, in a stopgap role while Jennings heals, 3 YPC and competent blocking might be better than 5 YPC, a fumble and a blown blitz pickup by Bobby Rainey or Orleans Darkwa. In other words, we all know what Andre Williams is; but what are the other guys?


I think Jennings returns this week and they go with Jennings, Darkwa, Perkins and Rainey. And leave it at that.

I also think with tomorrow being Tuesday they'll have RB's in working out with CB's and TE's and maybe see someone show them something worth signing.

And I agree Williams seems the simplest option, I just think he's a waste of a roster spot.
Does anyone remember  
Doomster : 9/26/2016 2:35 pm : link
last week, at the goal line and we ran Vereen?
nice guy.  
Heisenberg : 9/26/2016 2:36 pm : link
not good at football.
With 2 CB and a safety down  
BillT : 9/26/2016 2:48 pm : link
It would make more sense to resign Michael Hunter.
RE: RE: I like what I saw from Rainey  
geelabee : 9/26/2016 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13143986 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Old Dirty Beckham said:

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in preseason and yesterday. I think he'll do a good job filling in for Vereen and they'll begin to phase Perkins in as the months role on.


I think Bobby Rainey is a coach-killer in the Preston Parker mold. He will flash enough to stay in the League, then cost you a game with a critical mistake. Yesterday was a typical Bobby Rainey performance: the dynamic run and catch with the screen was great. But when the game got tight, he missed a TD opportunity and was a questionable call away from costing Eli an interception.


100% agree...exactly my thoughts when I watched the game...hate to say it I would have kept Williams..Rainey is a journeyman RB with multiple teams and is almost 30..Willams just turned 24
Hand off up the middle  
giantsfan227B : 9/26/2016 3:46 pm : link
For a gain of a 1/2 yard.
I hope Not ...  
Bluesbreaker : 9/26/2016 4:09 pm : link
Couldn't disagree more about Rainey sure he has been
prone to Fumbles but the problem was with Punt Returns
where he has fumbled way too much ...
Punt Returns 36 Attempts 7 fumbles
Kick Returns 32 Attempts 0 fumbles
Receiving 52 Catches 2 fumbles
Rushing 249 Attempts 3 fumbles
The 7 punt return fumbles all occurred in one season
with Vareen Out I for one am glad he is still with us .
I am not saying he is all world but with the few times
he has had the ball in his hands he has shown to be capable
of some big plays .
I hope like hell they don't bring Williams back I don't
dislike the man but the player is deficient .
RE: not here  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/26/2016 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13143891 HomerJones45 said:
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his difficulty catching the football is not a fit for this offense.


Or any modern offense.
Rainey Would Seem Logical  
clatterbuck : 9/26/2016 4:21 pm : link
choice to assume Vereen's role and Jennings can stay on the field on 3rd down also. And maybe Perkins gets a chance sooner than expected -- if he can pass protect.
Perkins has to learn to hold onto the Duke  
Giant John : 9/26/2016 4:55 pm : link
Before he plays.
It's amazing  
Mike Graves : 9/27/2016 7:35 am : link
How some giant fans can not move on from former giants who are not good, soms fans were calling for Randle to be resigned to
Williams is on the Chargers PS  
Anakim : 9/28/2016 6:34 pm : link
And CJ Spiller signed with the Seahawks
No team wants this guy.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/28/2016 7:08 pm : link
Says alot...again.
Absolutely NOT  
CruzCocktail : 9/28/2016 7:09 pm : link
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Williams?? This is beyond a bad idea. I can't think  
Jimmy Googs : 9/28/2016 8:59 pm : link
of anything that would better stall our offense than inserting him into the huddle. And I don't recall but didn't think he adds anything pSpecials either.

I would rather Eli just call roll out tosses to the TEs or WR reverses than ever put Williams in the game.

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