“You know what I want most of all?’’ Big Papi told The Post on Tuesday at JetBlue Park. “I would love it if the fans at Yankee Stadium gave me a standing ovation.’’
Please, please, PLEASE don't let me down, Yankee fans. Boo the hell out of this asshole.
wouldn't be a phenomenal hitter, his rate of production at the back end of his career, would make him the greatest "old age" hitter of all time, in the company of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, and Ruth.
What do three of those 4 have in common with the ends of their career?
I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but so far the random testing in baseball (for HgH) has caught zero people. and the steroid testing has netted very few. So unless you think players just suddenly stopped, from the 80% Canseco credibly put the number at to 5% or less of players caught, the chemists are ahead of the cops.
But it's all irrelevant anyway, Ortiz has failed more tests than Clemens or Bonds (for example) and both Clemens and Bonds WON cases in a court of law saying they did not perjure themselves. I'm not going to say they were cleared of any wrongdoing, almost everyone believes both used PED's, all I am saying is both have less hard evidence of usage than Ortiz.
His treatment is a weird and bizarre phenomenon. And for non Red Sox fans, especially fans of teams who have had players persecuted for far less, it's frustrating.
Exactly the kind of person who would go along with this kind of crap and cheer for that asshole, the same kind of people who now comprise the bulk of the crowds at Yankee Stadium.
15 years ago, this would not have even been a debate. The only question would have been if he would be pelted with garbage as well as booed.
That has nothing to do with casual or die hard or bandwagon or anything in between.
You say they're real fans, I say the mouthbreathers are the ones who have been priced out, and like I said, I'm sure the Yankees fans in the building will do the right thing.
I don't think these farewell tours are appropriate in general. The first one I remember as a fan was for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I was a big fan of his, but thought it was silly. Then another athlete got a farewell tour and un-retired (I don't recall who).
I think the Yankees should have recognized Jeter and Rivera in their final home games and then any ceremonies for retired numbers, etc. after that. I never thought other teams should have done anything. Fans should give a nice ovation for guys like this.
Now, if I didn't think it was appropriate for guys like Jeter and Rivera, I absolutely think it is not appropriate for Ortiz. I don't think the Yankees should honor him and I don't think the fans even owe him a nice ovation. First, the Sox did nothing for A-Rod, whose career far eclipses Ortiz. Second, Ortiz has the same PED allegations, yet has been given a pass. Third, Ortiz has other black marks on his career. Fourth, he has been a dick specifically to the Yankees and fans. Fifth, he has had enough candy shoved up his ass for his phony BS; we don't need to add to it.
I understand and agree with your assessment as to how his stats do not track the norm, however, you cannot ignore that he has been tested dozens upon dozens of times since 2004 with no positive results. Could it just be that he is a phenomenal hitter? It really is a possibility (not trying to be sarcastic).
Not really. Phenomenal hitters and better athletes than Ortiz have experienced the same decline in bat speed. Some have cheated to keep the power numbers up and saw their BAs decline accordingly, and others have accepted the loss of power but tried to keep the BA up. Few have done both. Ted Williams comes to mind, and there are a few other ostensibly clean players, but most of them have at least been suspect as regards steroids.
It's an open secret that this is still going on. They mostly catch minor leaguers and fringe guys who are taking bigger risks just to make the show. The guys with more to hang onto are more careful about it and they can afford better drugs and better oversight to prevent detection.
There have been four players to slug .500 or better in their age 40 season. Harold Baines (.533, 1999), Moises Alou (.524, 2007), Hank Sauer (.508, 1957), and Darrell Evans (.501, 1987). Ortiz is slugging .632.
The most doubles by a 40 year old in baseball history was Sam Rice with 35 in 1930. Ortiz has 48.
One player in history topped 30 homers at age 40, Darrell Evans in the juiced ball season of 1987 with 34. Ortiz has 37.
The only player in baseball history who did anything like this is Bonds. He missed almost all of his age 40 season before slugging .545 at 41 and .565 at 42. What does that tell you about Shrek? And Bonds was always a tremendous athlete, even before the roids. Shrek is a big fat fuck. Conditioning is hardly something he's been a fanatic about.
You guys can't get enough RedSox/Ortiz obsession. For a fan base that embraced Arod Giambi Pettite and Clemens you're paranoia over Ortiz supposed drug use is laughable, methinks his domination of the Yanks is what really fuels your fire. Looking at the scoreboard its 3-1 in terms of championships since Ortiz arrived on the scene.
As far as any Red Sox obsession with the Yankees goes that ship sailed a long time ago. At this point in time the talent gap between the two organizations is huge. The Red Sox have three five tool all stars in their lineup one of which will be a 23 year old MVP. The Yanks counter with Austin a 25 yr old with a197BA 616OPS and 44prrcent strikeout rate, Refsnyder a utility player at best with. 628 OPS and 0HR and Aaron Judge an injury prone one till player who strikes out every other at bat. You guys will be chasing the Red Sox for the foreseeable future and Red Sox fans consider you no threat whatsoever.
Don't get too dismayed you do have 2018 to look forward to as the Yanks should have about a billion dollars to spend on free agents as the last group of free agent busts head off to retirement.
Enjoy the offseason watching the Red Sox make another World Series run.
I think that just sitting silently, or standing but turning their Â
backs on the "festivities" would be more effective. Booing and cursing makes it seem as though we give shit about this phony, fat fuck. Ignoring it is to me a more powerful statement.
the secret 2003 test. He was suspended for Biogenesis despite not having failed a test.
So A-rod is the real victim, right?
You're unbearable. Remember a few months ago when you said the Sox rotation was fool's gold? How's that working out for you Greggy? It was awesome sitting in the bleachers and seeing papi and company sweep the Yankees and end your season. Go back to crying in your cereal, Greg.
The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
RE: Like most Arias apologists, Ned clearly doesn't get it. Â
The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
That's been going on forever, starting with Curt Gowdy sucking off Fisk on the Game of the Week. Nauseating.
I guess if there is some kind of taboo or prohibition ....... Â
in being a Giants/Red Sox fan and posting on this board. I guess that Eric should be refunding my contribution and everyone else that is a Red Sox fan who gave a donation to support BBI.
right on his fat ass. If he had attempted in any way to acknowledge his involvement in the PEDs era I would have felt differently about his career and him as a baseball player. He has done nothing but treat this league like he was entitled since he became a RS.
Does it truly surprise you that a Giants board has a helluva lot of people who despise the Red Sox? Cmon.
I don't mind that people despise the Red Sox so much. I despise the Yankees with like fervor (although I don't mention that here too much because...well, the ensuing commotion would be pointless to go through). What I don't really care for, though, is the very frequent nasty epithets about Red Sox fans because those actually are insults that are personally directed.
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Giambi never won. Pettitte got busted while nursing his injury in Houston and Clemens was supposedly using lee Yankee days. Now, there's no evidence that Pettitte or Clemens weren't using with the Yankees too, but there's no evidence they were, either.
I really am not interested in saluting rivals players Â
but I wouldn't boo a player unless they were a cheater and hypocrite like Ortiz. for instance, if the Yankees honored Pedro, not sure I would clap for him, but I wouldn't boo him. He was a fierce competitor and I respected him and his game (even Zimmer incident wasn't as bad as legend has it). Pedro was an all-time great, Ortiz is an all time cheater, liar, and hypocrite.
I don't like him but I have a modicum of respect for him. And Pedro is still the best pitcher of my lifetime.
Agree completely. Pedro in his prime was the best pitcher I've ever seen. And incredibly baseball smart. I could listen to him talk about baseball all day.
until the kids start making things exciting - despite posting about how boring baseball is and how he doesn't watch it or bother to collect baseball dolls.
Ortiz is a disingenuous fraud who should not only be booed but should be showered with D batteries as if they were confetti.
Can't wait for the Sox to clinch the division in NY Â
They already ended their season in Boston! Ortiz is the man and owns the pathetic Yankees!
Is there anything more pathetic than an ass clown that registers to a website just to post asinine gibberish like this? Wtf happens to someone at birth to make them this way? Loss of oxygen?
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime I'mother than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
Retro. I was goofing on that poster. That he has no stones. Thst people!e booing Ortiz was bad. I was calling him a wuss who needed TRT himself Hence that Patton reference that he wasnt a man. Sarcasm not translating over the internet
I know your poor underpowered brain is terribly overtaxed, but try your best to keep up.
Congrats bro! 1-3. Big win after losing to UConn. When do you guys go to Blacksburg to get thrashed this year? Another rival who is clearly better than your team. You have a good thing going with the little brother complex, keep it up ;)
Sweet comeback Greg. You bear that burden of rooting for a shitty baseball team and an alma matar whose football team just lost to uconn.
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But you bear the burden of being named Ned, and that's punishment enough.
Honestly, why even respond to this guy? You're responding to a guy who posts 100 times and acts like an Internet tough guy. You ever see his picture? Lmao.
I guess we'll find out, right?
OK so just so I understand, if they boo, then you're right. But if they cheer, then they priced out the real fans, and you're still right.
Seems reasonable.
You don't boo a nobody. That is respect.
What do three of those 4 have in common with the ends of their career?
I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but so far the random testing in baseball (for HgH) has caught zero people. and the steroid testing has netted very few. So unless you think players just suddenly stopped, from the 80% Canseco credibly put the number at to 5% or less of players caught, the chemists are ahead of the cops.
But it's all irrelevant anyway, Ortiz has failed more tests than Clemens or Bonds (for example) and both Clemens and Bonds WON cases in a court of law saying they did not perjure themselves. I'm not going to say they were cleared of any wrongdoing, almost everyone believes both used PED's, all I am saying is both have less hard evidence of usage than Ortiz.
His treatment is a weird and bizarre phenomenon. And for non Red Sox fans, especially fans of teams who have had players persecuted for far less, it's frustrating.
I'm a casual baseball fan. You made up that I don't care. What I've said is that my fanship has wained from crazy die hard.
But what does this have to do with Ortiz? Deflecting for any particular reason?
15 years ago, this would not have even been a debate. The only question would have been if he would be pelted with garbage as well as booed.
You say they're real fans, I say the mouthbreathers are the ones who have been priced out, and like I said, I'm sure the Yankees fans in the building will do the right thing.
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the secret 2003 test. He was suspended for Biogenesis despite not having failed a test.
He's been suspended twice without ever failing a test. Did he actually fail the "anonymous" test?
Yes. Just like Ortiz, Manny, and 101 anonymous others.
I think the Yankees should have recognized Jeter and Rivera in their final home games and then any ceremonies for retired numbers, etc. after that. I never thought other teams should have done anything. Fans should give a nice ovation for guys like this.
Now, if I didn't think it was appropriate for guys like Jeter and Rivera, I absolutely think it is not appropriate for Ortiz. I don't think the Yankees should honor him and I don't think the fans even owe him a nice ovation. First, the Sox did nothing for A-Rod, whose career far eclipses Ortiz. Second, Ortiz has the same PED allegations, yet has been given a pass. Third, Ortiz has other black marks on his career. Fourth, he has been a dick specifically to the Yankees and fans. Fifth, he has had enough candy shoved up his ass for his phony BS; we don't need to add to it.
Not really. Phenomenal hitters and better athletes than Ortiz have experienced the same decline in bat speed. Some have cheated to keep the power numbers up and saw their BAs decline accordingly, and others have accepted the loss of power but tried to keep the BA up. Few have done both. Ted Williams comes to mind, and there are a few other ostensibly clean players, but most of them have at least been suspect as regards steroids.
It's an open secret that this is still going on. They mostly catch minor leaguers and fringe guys who are taking bigger risks just to make the show. The guys with more to hang onto are more careful about it and they can afford better drugs and better oversight to prevent detection.
The most doubles by a 40 year old in baseball history was Sam Rice with 35 in 1930. Ortiz has 48.
One player in history topped 30 homers at age 40, Darrell Evans in the juiced ball season of 1987 with 34. Ortiz has 37.
The only player in baseball history who did anything like this is Bonds. He missed almost all of his age 40 season before slugging .545 at 41 and .565 at 42. What does that tell you about Shrek? And Bonds was always a tremendous athlete, even before the roids. Shrek is a big fat fuck. Conditioning is hardly something he's been a fanatic about.
How about one of the top 3 or 4 players in baseball history, Willie Mays? What did he do at 40? .271/.425/.482.
Hammering Hank? .268/.341/.491.
Frank Robinson? .224/.329/.358.
etc, etc, etc
As far as any Red Sox obsession with the Yankees goes that ship sailed a long time ago. At this point in time the talent gap between the two organizations is huge. The Red Sox have three five tool all stars in their lineup one of which will be a 23 year old MVP. The Yanks counter with Austin a 25 yr old with a197BA 616OPS and 44prrcent strikeout rate, Refsnyder a utility player at best with. 628 OPS and 0HR and Aaron Judge an injury prone one till player who strikes out every other at bat. You guys will be chasing the Red Sox for the foreseeable future and Red Sox fans consider you no threat whatsoever.
Don't get too dismayed you do have 2018 to look forward to as the Yanks should have about a billion dollars to spend on free agents as the last group of free agent busts head off to retirement.
Enjoy the offseason watching the Red Sox make another World Series run.
So A-rod is the real victim, right?
You're unbearable. Remember a few months ago when you said the Sox rotation was fool's gold? How's that working out for you Greggy? It was awesome sitting in the bleachers and seeing papi and company sweep the Yankees and end your season. Go back to crying in your cereal, Greg.
That fat, fuck Papi/David Arias.
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
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The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
That's been going on forever, starting with Curt Gowdy sucking off Fisk on the Game of the Week. Nauseating.
Hey Eric! I want my money back!
Question is how many people had to plead with him to get him to actually do it?
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to honor Fernandez and not him?
Question is how many people had to plead with him to get him to actually do it?
If you need to campaign for the farewell tour, you don't deserve it. I hope he gets pure silence.
Man, I am a Phillies fan and have no bone in this fight.... but what an awesome, awesome comparison.
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Giambi never won. Pettitte got busted while nursing his injury in Houston and Clemens was supposedly using lee Yankee days. Now, there's no evidence that Pettitte or Clemens weren't using with the Yankees too, but there's no evidence they were, either.
Agree completely. Pedro in his prime was the best pitcher I've ever seen. And incredibly baseball smart. I could listen to him talk about baseball all day.
Ortiz is a disingenuous fraud who should not only be booed but should be showered with D batteries as if they were confetti.
Is there anything more pathetic than an ass clown that registers to a website just to post asinine gibberish like this? Wtf happens to someone at birth to make them this way? Loss of oxygen?
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime I'mother than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
Retro. I was goofing on that poster. That he has no stones. Thst people!e booing Ortiz was bad. I was calling him a wuss who needed TRT himself Hence that Patton reference that he wasnt a man. Sarcasm not translating over the internet
In comment 13145767 Greg from LI said:
Congrats bro! 1-3. Big win after losing to UConn. When do you guys go to Blacksburg to get thrashed this year? Another rival who is clearly better than your team. You have a good thing going with the little brother complex, keep it up ;)
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But you bear the burden of being named Ned, and that's punishment enough.
Honestly, why even respond to this guy? You're responding to a guy who posts 100 times and acts like an Internet tough guy. You ever see his picture? Lmao.