“You know what I want most of all?’’ Big Papi told The Post on Tuesday at JetBlue Park. “I would love it if the fans at Yankee Stadium gave me a standing ovation.’’
Please, please, PLEASE don't let me down, Yankee fans. Boo the hell out of this asshole.
As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
Absolute bullshit. What did ARod get from Fenway in his last game there? Why does Shrek deserve more? What the hell is with the double standard for this guy?
Fuck him.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
Absolute bullshit. What did ARod get from Fenway in his last game there? Why does Shrek deserve more? What the hell is with the double standard for this guy?
but there's no way i'd stand and condone Ortiz. He's a liar, a cheater, and an asshole. And he's gotten away with all 3 while getting filthy rich in the process. I'm good sitting in my seat.
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Mariano Rivera is possibly the most universally beloved player of my lifetime, a humble, gentle man who was generous and gracious in every way. Derek Jeter didn't routinely scream at umps, didn't harass official scorers to give him hits instead of errors, and wasn't a roider. Drawing false equivalencies between those two guys and Shrek is absurd.
The real comps for Ortiz are guys like ARod, Bonds, and McGwire. Despite them all being far superior players, none of them got weepy sendoffs in rival ballparks.
not sure if anyone is paying attention, but I'm going to guess it will be almost 50/50 Red Sox and Yankees fans in attendance.
Every time I got to Yankees Red Sox in the Bronx, even if the Yankees are in contention there are a ton of Sox fans there.
but if the Yankees fans there in attendance don't make some noise voicing their displeasure with Ortiz I'll be disappointed.
There is no way he deserves a standing ovation from Yankees fans, he's definitely not lofted to that status since he's a documented cheater and a foul-mouthed, loathsome individual.
I hate that the media, the fans, and baseball in general celebrate Ortiz.
And there is no way the Yankees fans should be anything but hostile toward him.
I'll lose some respect for the Yankees fans if he's cheered. It would be almost like Mets fans giving Chase Utley a standing O.
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Mariano Rivera is possibly the most universally beloved player of my lifetime, a humble, gentle man who was generous and gracious in every way. Derek Jeter didn't routinely scream at umps, didn't harass official scorers to give him hits instead of errors, and wasn't a roider. Drawing false equivalencies between those two guys and Shrek is absurd.
The real comps for Ortiz are guys like ARod, Bonds, and McGwire. Despite them all being far superior players, none of them got weepy sendoffs in rival ballparks.
Very good point and you are correct with the comparisons. Listening to the TV broadcasters, I detect a hint of incredulousness about his ability to hit better at 40 y/o than in the preceding 10 years.
Watching Teixeira disintegrate before our eye at 36 and ARod's fall between August last year and this year should be a red flag. And he can't even walk his feet are so bad.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
Absolute bullshit. What did ARod get from Fenway in his last game there? Why does Shrek deserve more? What the hell is with the double standard for this guy?
Fuck him.
ARod didn't get respect from his own fucking manager and you want Boston to do more?
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I said they deserve the same treatment. Go back to grilling threads, Peter, you're out of your element.
I'll dumb it down for you. You are bitching about Ortiz. You are bitching that Boston did not give ARod respect. I pointed out that ARod's own manager didn't give him respect. Got that so far? Why should Boston give ARod more respect than his own manager? It's a lousy comparison.
A better one would be Ortiz getting the same respect that Jeter received.
really don't understand the love for this guy who disrespects the with game with every ab :-). have to know he's doing some type of PED with this performance at his age; along with turning his career completely around from being waived by the twins? and all the bat flipping and antics - and no one ever throws inside at him? never understood the respect he gets from pitchers especially yankee pitchers. would totally boo him.
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But here is my one exception, there is no way any Yankee fan in good standing could ever, and I mean ever, cheer this hypocrite cheater, liar, and complainer. I am at loss to explain many things in this world, but the respect this cheater gets compared to other cheaters is just astonishing to me. I honestly think he might make the HOF.
Just a couple of random thoughts
1. Before he got busted, he gave an excuse that he didn't know what they slipped into his shakes in the DR as a possible alibi. Innocent people do that, right.
2. He never apologized like Pettite
3. He is obviously still on this stuff, what he has done the last four years is unprecedented at his age except by PED users.
As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
as I've said before, I think it's dumb and fairly wrong for an opposing team to even acknowledge a player, no matter who or the circumstances. Ortiz, Rivera, Jeter, ARod (who I don't think should have been booed at Fenway either (although to be fair, the talk on that day was actually whether Yankee fans would boo him or not when he went back home for his last game and why Girardi was saying he wouldn't even get in a game at Fenway), Jacki Robinson, or Ghandi. If the uniform is different, I'm not doing anything for you. Period.
So, I don't care about any of all that for Ortiz. All I care about, is that they lower their Magic Number by one tonight.
David Ortiz is a nonentity. He some how slipped through the cracks of PED condemnation. It's not hard to imagine why, when the best crack at analysis of the issue by the league was headed by someone close to the team he played.
The retirement parade is goofy and unnecessary. It was lame when Rivera and Jeter did it, and more lame still when players who mean a fraction to the game do it.
Ortiz should take a bow before the game and head back to the dugout. This whole gifting ceremony is about as cheesey as it gets.
many opponents. But a guy who is held to a double standard through no doing of his own is perplexing to me.
From being a skinny ass David Arias who was almost relegated to a career in the minor leagues, to being a roided-out jackass who might not only make the HoF as a DH, but also as a steroid user is baffling to me.
The amount of shit given to Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, McGwire and Sosa compared to this clown is absurd, and we are talking about a guy who has never admitted to anything, never apologized for anything. Never owned up to a damn thing.
For him to be getting the accolades he is while all-time greats were shunned and run out of the league is a crime.
I could respect the hell out of Red Sox like Carlton Fisk, Pedro, Varitek, Jim Rice and others, even if I didn't like them at all, but this fat, piece of shit? No fucking way.
and I know the Red Sox fans turn out in good numbers on a regular basis - but I know at least 5-6 people who are buying tickets to this one *just* to boo.
I hate the fucker, but not enough to plunk down hard earned cash for the right to boo him.
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as I've said before, I think it's dumb and fairly wrong for an opposing team to even acknowledge a player, no matter who or the circumstances. Ortiz, Rivera, Jeter, ARod (who I don't think should have been booed at Fenway either (although to be fair, the talk on that day was actually whether Yankee fans would boo him or not when he went back home for his last game and why Girardi was saying he wouldn't even get in a game at Fenway), Jacki Robinson, or Ghandi. If the uniform is different, I'm not doing anything for you. Period.
So, I don't care about any of all that for Ortiz. All I care about, is that they lower their Magic Number by one tonight.
and THANK the Yankee fans for putting up with MLB using Alex Rodriguez as the league scapegoat thus allowing him to continue hitting home runs and avoid the very public embarrassment and shame shouldered almost solely by ARod.
Fuck him. And fuck honoring him.
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A better one would be Ortiz getting the same respect that Jeter received.
There are pretty simple differences between Ortiz and Jeter, which have been explained quite clearly in this thread. That comparison is a pretty hard core fail.
A better one would be Ortiz getting the same respect that Jeter received.
There are pretty simple differences between Ortiz and Jeter, which have been explained quite clearly in this thread. That comparison is a pretty hard core fail.
Not when you consider what each guy meant for his respective team. It's a lot closer than comparing ARod to Ortiz.
the Mo ceremony included a jab at him and so they went over the top on Jeter. But whether or not either was appropriate, neither had the black mark that Ortiz does. And FFS, the phony nice guy bullshit that has been shoveled toward us about Ortiz after the phone and the RBI whining and all of his other bullshit, he's a heckuva hitter, pharmaceutically enhanced or not, but he's not Jesus.
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
I don't know what the truth is, but according to Wiki (again, a source we would fail a grad student for using) the initial accusation against him was in Canseco's book, which explicitly states that Clemens started using after he left Boston. Clemens did not meet MacNamee until 1998 and 1998 is the first date that the investigation showed him using. I think that the MacNamee connection is relevant and important. In 1998, Clemens was in his last year with the Blue Jays.
fuck that pumpkinhead. He should give a standing ovation to his Dominican doctor.
As I have written here several times, I would throw at that fat, fucking, lying, steroid abusing hypocrite every at-bat. That goes double for this series. Let him go into the post-season with some baseball stitches on his arms and legs! Standing ovation? Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
as a trade-off. If the Red Sox win tonight, if I am not mistaken, they both clinch the division and also officially knock NY from post-season contention. If Ortiz plays a role in that, then the booing might look hollow, but it's certainly not a bad trade.
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The only thing this guy deserves is a lustily and deep Bronx Cheer every single time he gets spotted. I may respect an opposing ball player even from the hated Saux, but this POS has never and will never gain mine!
Yanks fans sure are bitter about Ortiz just owning you guys over the years. Asking for an ovation is pretty ridiculous though.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
The Giants. And that should be sufficient with respect to this site.
I clearly meant baseball team. I never said he couldn't post on the site. I'm curious because I've never seen him talk basbeall here.
Thanks for your input, though. Don't get mad because there are barely any Sox fans here anymore and most Giants fans don't like the Red Sox.. It's the way it will always be. You should get used to it.
you certainly seemed somewhat bothered in your first post to me, considering it had literally nothing to do with you or your team. Kind of an odd post to react to.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime other than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
but even so, you certainly took umbrage at his rooting for the Red Sox (which actually is my team) and historically that's been accompanied here with the implication that the person shouldn't be on this site, even though it's meant for a completely different sport and completely different team (also my team).
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I hope you can forgive me. And like I said, I have no idea what team he roots for, that's why I asked. Big difference. If people don't like Sox fans posting here, who am I to try to convince them differently. They're entitled to their opinion, and they make up the strong, strong majority here. It is what it is.
all the posters who claim Ortiz must be roiding because he is and has SINCE 2003 had 30+ HR's per year 9 times. Obviously you don't know the rules. He got tested 6 times during this season alone and dozens upon dozens since 2004 and never failed one. I know Yankee fans, he tricked the system every time. Give me a break. Time to get over it.
do you think Patriots fans who are also Yankee fans (and I'm sure there are such people since the world is choking with frontrunners) are welcomed with open arms at Patriots boards?
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all the posters who claim Ortiz must be roiding because he is and has SINCE 2003 had 30+ HR's per year 9 times. Obviously you don't know the rules. He got tested 6 times during this season alone and dozens upon dozens since 2004 and never failed one. I know Yankee fans, he tricked the system every time. Give me a break. Time to get over it.
You do realize, of course, that if he were tested that many times it means that he HAS failed a test, right?
But I'm sure you're right, and he's the one and only fat fuck slugger who improves with age and has a career season at age 40.
all the posters who claim Ortiz must be roiding because he is and has SINCE 2003 had 30+ HR's per year 9 times. Obviously you don't know the rules. He got tested 6 times during this season alone and dozens upon dozens since 2004 and never failed one. I know Yankee fans, he tricked the system every time. Give me a break. Time to get over it.
A-Rod failed one test, and we understand that he regularly took steroids for ten years. The technology of the substances has outpaced the technology of the testing mechanisms. Had Ortiz not previously failed a test I would be loathe to "convict" on mere superstition (Piazza), but he has so I'm not. His career has not tracked traditional norms in terms of a diminution of bat speed and power, if anything he has gained bat speed over the last couple years.
do you think Patriots fans who are also Yankee fans (and I'm sure there are such people since the world is choking with frontrunners) are welcomed with open arms at Patriots boards?
the main Pats forum I have visited out of morbid curiosity has things organized very differently than here.
So you don't even need to see topics you don't care about, but there is a Red Sox fan talk section a Celtics fan talk section, and Other sports fan section. There are some Yankees fans. I know quite a few Patriots/Yankees fans who grew up in CT.
they also allow political conversations without people knifing each other. And for the record, those are some of the most active threads in their forum.
I understand and agree with your assessment as to how his stats do not track the norm, however, you cannot ignore that he has been tested dozens upon dozens of times since 2004 with no positive results. Could it just be that he is a phenomenal hitter? It really is a possibility (not trying to be sarcastic).
As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
There'll be a small smattering of boos because people are dumb, but I don't think the vitriol on BBI for the guy is representative of what Yankee fans as a whole think.
I'm sure he'll get a nice ovation.
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wouldn't be a phenomenal hitter, his rate of production at the back end of his career, would make him the greatest "old age" hitter of all time, in the company of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, and Ruth.
What do three of those 4 have in common with the ends of their career?
I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but so far the random testing in baseball (for HgH) has caught zero people. and the steroid testing has netted very few. So unless you think players just suddenly stopped, from the 80% Canseco credibly put the number at to 5% or less of players caught, the chemists are ahead of the cops.
But it's all irrelevant anyway, Ortiz has failed more tests than Clemens or Bonds (for example) and both Clemens and Bonds WON cases in a court of law saying they did not perjure themselves. I'm not going to say they were cleared of any wrongdoing, almost everyone believes both used PED's, all I am saying is both have less hard evidence of usage than Ortiz.
His treatment is a weird and bizarre phenomenon. And for non Red Sox fans, especially fans of teams who have had players persecuted for far less, it's frustrating.
Exactly the kind of person who would go along with this kind of crap and cheer for that asshole, the same kind of people who now comprise the bulk of the crowds at Yankee Stadium.
15 years ago, this would not have even been a debate. The only question would have been if he would be pelted with garbage as well as booed.
That has nothing to do with casual or die hard or bandwagon or anything in between.
You say they're real fans, I say the mouthbreathers are the ones who have been priced out, and like I said, I'm sure the Yankees fans in the building will do the right thing.
I don't think these farewell tours are appropriate in general. The first one I remember as a fan was for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I was a big fan of his, but thought it was silly. Then another athlete got a farewell tour and un-retired (I don't recall who).
I think the Yankees should have recognized Jeter and Rivera in their final home games and then any ceremonies for retired numbers, etc. after that. I never thought other teams should have done anything. Fans should give a nice ovation for guys like this.
Now, if I didn't think it was appropriate for guys like Jeter and Rivera, I absolutely think it is not appropriate for Ortiz. I don't think the Yankees should honor him and I don't think the fans even owe him a nice ovation. First, the Sox did nothing for A-Rod, whose career far eclipses Ortiz. Second, Ortiz has the same PED allegations, yet has been given a pass. Third, Ortiz has other black marks on his career. Fourth, he has been a dick specifically to the Yankees and fans. Fifth, he has had enough candy shoved up his ass for his phony BS; we don't need to add to it.
I understand and agree with your assessment as to how his stats do not track the norm, however, you cannot ignore that he has been tested dozens upon dozens of times since 2004 with no positive results. Could it just be that he is a phenomenal hitter? It really is a possibility (not trying to be sarcastic).
Not really. Phenomenal hitters and better athletes than Ortiz have experienced the same decline in bat speed. Some have cheated to keep the power numbers up and saw their BAs decline accordingly, and others have accepted the loss of power but tried to keep the BA up. Few have done both. Ted Williams comes to mind, and there are a few other ostensibly clean players, but most of them have at least been suspect as regards steroids.
It's an open secret that this is still going on. They mostly catch minor leaguers and fringe guys who are taking bigger risks just to make the show. The guys with more to hang onto are more careful about it and they can afford better drugs and better oversight to prevent detection.
There have been four players to slug .500 or better in their age 40 season. Harold Baines (.533, 1999), Moises Alou (.524, 2007), Hank Sauer (.508, 1957), and Darrell Evans (.501, 1987). Ortiz is slugging .632.
The most doubles by a 40 year old in baseball history was Sam Rice with 35 in 1930. Ortiz has 48.
One player in history topped 30 homers at age 40, Darrell Evans in the juiced ball season of 1987 with 34. Ortiz has 37.
The only player in baseball history who did anything like this is Bonds. He missed almost all of his age 40 season before slugging .545 at 41 and .565 at 42. What does that tell you about Shrek? And Bonds was always a tremendous athlete, even before the roids. Shrek is a big fat fuck. Conditioning is hardly something he's been a fanatic about.
You guys can't get enough RedSox/Ortiz obsession. For a fan base that embraced Arod Giambi Pettite and Clemens you're paranoia over Ortiz supposed drug use is laughable, methinks his domination of the Yanks is what really fuels your fire. Looking at the scoreboard its 3-1 in terms of championships since Ortiz arrived on the scene.
As far as any Red Sox obsession with the Yankees goes that ship sailed a long time ago. At this point in time the talent gap between the two organizations is huge. The Red Sox have three five tool all stars in their lineup one of which will be a 23 year old MVP. The Yanks counter with Austin a 25 yr old with a197BA 616OPS and 44prrcent strikeout rate, Refsnyder a utility player at best with. 628 OPS and 0HR and Aaron Judge an injury prone one till player who strikes out every other at bat. You guys will be chasing the Red Sox for the foreseeable future and Red Sox fans consider you no threat whatsoever.
Don't get too dismayed you do have 2018 to look forward to as the Yanks should have about a billion dollars to spend on free agents as the last group of free agent busts head off to retirement.
Enjoy the offseason watching the Red Sox make another World Series run.
I think that just sitting silently, or standing but turning their Â
backs on the "festivities" would be more effective. Booing and cursing makes it seem as though we give shit about this phony, fat fuck. Ignoring it is to me a more powerful statement.
the secret 2003 test. He was suspended for Biogenesis despite not having failed a test.
So A-rod is the real victim, right?
You're unbearable. Remember a few months ago when you said the Sox rotation was fool's gold? How's that working out for you Greggy? It was awesome sitting in the bleachers and seeing papi and company sweep the Yankees and end your season. Go back to crying in your cereal, Greg.
The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
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The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
That's been going on forever, starting with Curt Gowdy sucking off Fisk on the Game of the Week. Nauseating.
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in being a Giants/Red Sox fan and posting on this board. I guess that Eric should be refunding my contribution and everyone else that is a Red Sox fan who gave a donation to support BBI.
right on his fat ass. If he had attempted in any way to acknowledge his involvement in the PEDs era I would have felt differently about his career and him as a baseball player. He has done nothing but treat this league like he was entitled since he became a RS.
Does it truly surprise you that a Giants board has a helluva lot of people who despise the Red Sox? Cmon.
I don't mind that people despise the Red Sox so much. I despise the Yankees with like fervor (although I don't mention that here too much because...well, the ensuing commotion would be pointless to go through). What I don't really care for, though, is the very frequent nasty epithets about Red Sox fans because those actually are insults that are personally directed.
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Giambi never won. Pettitte got busted while nursing his injury in Houston and Clemens was supposedly using lee Yankee days. Now, there's no evidence that Pettitte or Clemens weren't using with the Yankees too, but there's no evidence they were, either.
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but I wouldn't boo a player unless they were a cheater and hypocrite like Ortiz. for instance, if the Yankees honored Pedro, not sure I would clap for him, but I wouldn't boo him. He was a fierce competitor and I respected him and his game (even Zimmer incident wasn't as bad as legend has it). Pedro was an all-time great, Ortiz is an all time cheater, liar, and hypocrite.
I don't like him but I have a modicum of respect for him. And Pedro is still the best pitcher of my lifetime.
Agree completely. Pedro in his prime was the best pitcher I've ever seen. And incredibly baseball smart. I could listen to him talk about baseball all day.
until the kids start making things exciting - despite posting about how boring baseball is and how he doesn't watch it or bother to collect baseball dolls.
Ortiz is a disingenuous fraud who should not only be booed but should be showered with D batteries as if they were confetti.
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They already ended their season in Boston! Ortiz is the man and owns the pathetic Yankees!
Is there anything more pathetic than an ass clown that registers to a website just to post asinine gibberish like this? Wtf happens to someone at birth to make them this way? Loss of oxygen?
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime I'mother than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
Retro. I was goofing on that poster. That he has no stones. Thst people!e booing Ortiz was bad. I was calling him a wuss who needed TRT himself Hence that Patton reference that he wasnt a man. Sarcasm not translating over the internet
I know your poor underpowered brain is terribly overtaxed, but try your best to keep up.
Congrats bro! 1-3. Big win after losing to UConn. When do you guys go to Blacksburg to get thrashed this year? Another rival who is clearly better than your team. You have a good thing going with the little brother complex, keep it up ;)
Sweet comeback Greg. You bear that burden of rooting for a shitty baseball team and an alma matar whose football team just lost to uconn.
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But you bear the burden of being named Ned, and that's punishment enough.
Honestly, why even respond to this guy? You're responding to a guy who posts 100 times and acts like an Internet tough guy. You ever see his picture? Lmao.
FUCK THAT! Boo that man
Absolute bullshit. What did ARod get from Fenway in his last game there? Why does Shrek deserve more? What the hell is with the double standard for this guy?
Fuck him.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
Absolute bullshit. What did ARod get from Fenway in his last game there? Why does Shrek deserve more? What the hell is with the double standard for this guy?
Fuck him.
Couldn't agree more
The real comps for Ortiz are guys like ARod, Bonds, and McGwire. Despite them all being far superior players, none of them got weepy sendoffs in rival ballparks.
crybabies like Ortiz
Every time I got to Yankees Red Sox in the Bronx, even if the Yankees are in contention there are a ton of Sox fans there.
but if the Yankees fans there in attendance don't make some noise voicing their displeasure with Ortiz I'll be disappointed.
There is no way he deserves a standing ovation from Yankees fans, he's definitely not lofted to that status since he's a documented cheater and a foul-mouthed, loathsome individual.
I hate that the media, the fans, and baseball in general celebrate Ortiz.
And there is no way the Yankees fans should be anything but hostile toward him.
I'll lose some respect for the Yankees fans if he's cheered. It would be almost like Mets fans giving Chase Utley a standing O.
The real comps for Ortiz are guys like ARod, Bonds, and McGwire. Despite them all being far superior players, none of them got weepy sendoffs in rival ballparks.
Very good point and you are correct with the comparisons. Listening to the TV broadcasters, I detect a hint of incredulousness about his ability to hit better at 40 y/o than in the preceding 10 years.
Watching Teixeira disintegrate before our eye at 36 and ARod's fall between August last year and this year should be a red flag. And he can't even walk his feet are so bad.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
Absolute bullshit. What did ARod get from Fenway in his last game there? Why does Shrek deserve more? What the hell is with the double standard for this guy?
Fuck him.
ARod didn't get respect from his own fucking manager and you want Boston to do more?
Link?
Correction.. Red Sox fans are obsessed with the Yankees
I'll dumb it down for you. You are bitching about Ortiz. You are bitching that Boston did not give ARod respect. I pointed out that ARod's own manager didn't give him respect. Got that so far? Why should Boston give ARod more respect than his own manager? It's a lousy comparison.
A better one would be Ortiz getting the same respect that Jeter received.
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Actually any thread that mentions Ortiz is the link.
And it is actually funny to light the match and watch the place burn down.
It pisses me off to see that nobody seems to care that he must be doping, but I also see the players like the guy.
But here is my one exception, there is no way any Yankee fan in good standing could ever, and I mean ever, cheer this hypocrite cheater, liar, and complainer. I am at loss to explain many things in this world, but the respect this cheater gets compared to other cheaters is just astonishing to me. I honestly think he might make the HOF.
Just a couple of random thoughts
1. Before he got busted, he gave an excuse that he didn't know what they slipped into his shakes in the DR as a possible alibi. Innocent people do that, right.
2. He never apologized like Pettite
3. He is obviously still on this stuff, what he has done the last four years is unprecedented at his age except by PED users.
Screw him
He failed a test. So many players are and were given pariah status who never failed a test or even had seriously compelling evidence they cheated.
the celebration of this cheater is bizarre.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
So, I don't care about any of all that for Ortiz. All I care about, is that they lower their Magic Number by one tonight.
bahahahahahaha
(Sorry Greg. Love you. lol)
The retirement parade is goofy and unnecessary. It was lame when Rivera and Jeter did it, and more lame still when players who mean a fraction to the game do it.
Ortiz should take a bow before the game and head back to the dugout. This whole gifting ceremony is about as cheesey as it gets.
From being a skinny ass David Arias who was almost relegated to a career in the minor leagues, to being a roided-out jackass who might not only make the HoF as a DH, but also as a steroid user is baffling to me.
The amount of shit given to Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, McGwire and Sosa compared to this clown is absurd, and we are talking about a guy who has never admitted to anything, never apologized for anything. Never owned up to a damn thing.
For him to be getting the accolades he is while all-time greats were shunned and run out of the league is a crime.
I could respect the hell out of Red Sox like Carlton Fisk, Pedro, Varitek, Jim Rice and others, even if I didn't like them at all, but this fat, piece of shit? No fucking way.
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insecure bastids......;-)
bahahahahahaha
(Sorry Greg. Love you. lol)
I hate the fucker, but not enough to plunk down hard earned cash for the right to boo him.
So, I don't care about any of all that for Ortiz. All I care about, is that they lower their Magic Number by one tonight.
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Just sayin'...
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Fuck him. And fuck honoring him.
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Giambi wasn't on any title team.
what i remember is the the fake cough he had for 3 years
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
There are pretty simple differences between Ortiz and Jeter, which have been explained quite clearly in this thread. That comparison is a pretty hard core fail.
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A better one would be Ortiz getting the same respect that Jeter received.
There are pretty simple differences between Ortiz and Jeter, which have been explained quite clearly in this thread. That comparison is a pretty hard core fail.
Not when you consider what each guy meant for his respective team. It's a lot closer than comparing ARod to Ortiz.
I like how you waited for some else to respond and then you chime in. Pussy.
You are lost.
My, what a big head you have, Peter, as if your comment was worth bothering with when it was so self-evidently stupid.
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I like how you waited for some else to respond and then you chime in. Pussy.
My, what a big head you have, Peter, as if your comment was worth bothering with when it was so self-evidently stupid.
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
As I have written here several times, I would throw at that fat, fucking, lying, steroid abusing hypocrite every at-bat. That goes double for this series. Let him go into the post-season with some baseball stitches on his arms and legs! Standing ovation? Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
He went from winning 11,9,10,10 games in his last 4 years in Boston to winning 20 & 21 in Toronto.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
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Yanks fans sure are bitter about Ortiz just owning you guys over the years. Asking for an ovation is pretty ridiculous though.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
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Yanks fans sure are bitter about Ortiz just owning you guys over the years. Asking for an ovation is pretty ridiculous though.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
The Giants. And that should be sufficient with respect to this site.
I clearly meant baseball team. I never said he couldn't post on the site. I'm curious because I've never seen him talk basbeall here.
Thanks for your input, though. Don't get mad because there are barely any Sox fans here anymore and most Giants fans don't like the Red Sox.. It's the way it will always be. You should get used to it.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime other than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
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not be exists, because decades ago there was no NFL team in New England blah blah blah.
Nah. That would be defensive and suggestive that there's less legitimacy in rooting for the Giants than your own. Which would be incorrect.
Ehhhh...
You do realize, of course, that if he were tested that many times it means that he HAS failed a test, right?
But I'm sure you're right, and he's the one and only fat fuck slugger who improves with age and has a career season at age 40.
A-Rod failed one test, and we understand that he regularly took steroids for ten years. The technology of the substances has outpaced the technology of the testing mechanisms. Had Ortiz not previously failed a test I would be loathe to "convict" on mere superstition (Piazza), but he has so I'm not. His career has not tracked traditional norms in terms of a diminution of bat speed and power, if anything he has gained bat speed over the last couple years.
the main Pats forum I have visited out of morbid curiosity has things organized very differently than here.
So you don't even need to see topics you don't care about, but there is a Red Sox fan talk section a Celtics fan talk section, and Other sports fan section. There are some Yankees fans. I know quite a few Patriots/Yankees fans who grew up in CT.
they also allow political conversations without people knifing each other. And for the record, those are some of the most active threads in their forum.
There'll be a small smattering of boos because people are dumb, but I don't think the vitriol on BBI for the guy is representative of what Yankee fans as a whole think.
I'm sure he'll get a nice ovation.
I guess we'll find out, right?
OK so just so I understand, if they boo, then you're right. But if they cheer, then they priced out the real fans, and you're still right.
Seems reasonable.
You don't boo a nobody. That is respect.
What do three of those 4 have in common with the ends of their career?
I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but so far the random testing in baseball (for HgH) has caught zero people. and the steroid testing has netted very few. So unless you think players just suddenly stopped, from the 80% Canseco credibly put the number at to 5% or less of players caught, the chemists are ahead of the cops.
But it's all irrelevant anyway, Ortiz has failed more tests than Clemens or Bonds (for example) and both Clemens and Bonds WON cases in a court of law saying they did not perjure themselves. I'm not going to say they were cleared of any wrongdoing, almost everyone believes both used PED's, all I am saying is both have less hard evidence of usage than Ortiz.
His treatment is a weird and bizarre phenomenon. And for non Red Sox fans, especially fans of teams who have had players persecuted for far less, it's frustrating.
I'm a casual baseball fan. You made up that I don't care. What I've said is that my fanship has wained from crazy die hard.
But what does this have to do with Ortiz? Deflecting for any particular reason?
15 years ago, this would not have even been a debate. The only question would have been if he would be pelted with garbage as well as booed.
You say they're real fans, I say the mouthbreathers are the ones who have been priced out, and like I said, I'm sure the Yankees fans in the building will do the right thing.
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the secret 2003 test. He was suspended for Biogenesis despite not having failed a test.
He's been suspended twice without ever failing a test. Did he actually fail the "anonymous" test?
Yes. Just like Ortiz, Manny, and 101 anonymous others.
I think the Yankees should have recognized Jeter and Rivera in their final home games and then any ceremonies for retired numbers, etc. after that. I never thought other teams should have done anything. Fans should give a nice ovation for guys like this.
Now, if I didn't think it was appropriate for guys like Jeter and Rivera, I absolutely think it is not appropriate for Ortiz. I don't think the Yankees should honor him and I don't think the fans even owe him a nice ovation. First, the Sox did nothing for A-Rod, whose career far eclipses Ortiz. Second, Ortiz has the same PED allegations, yet has been given a pass. Third, Ortiz has other black marks on his career. Fourth, he has been a dick specifically to the Yankees and fans. Fifth, he has had enough candy shoved up his ass for his phony BS; we don't need to add to it.
Not really. Phenomenal hitters and better athletes than Ortiz have experienced the same decline in bat speed. Some have cheated to keep the power numbers up and saw their BAs decline accordingly, and others have accepted the loss of power but tried to keep the BA up. Few have done both. Ted Williams comes to mind, and there are a few other ostensibly clean players, but most of them have at least been suspect as regards steroids.
It's an open secret that this is still going on. They mostly catch minor leaguers and fringe guys who are taking bigger risks just to make the show. The guys with more to hang onto are more careful about it and they can afford better drugs and better oversight to prevent detection.
The most doubles by a 40 year old in baseball history was Sam Rice with 35 in 1930. Ortiz has 48.
One player in history topped 30 homers at age 40, Darrell Evans in the juiced ball season of 1987 with 34. Ortiz has 37.
The only player in baseball history who did anything like this is Bonds. He missed almost all of his age 40 season before slugging .545 at 41 and .565 at 42. What does that tell you about Shrek? And Bonds was always a tremendous athlete, even before the roids. Shrek is a big fat fuck. Conditioning is hardly something he's been a fanatic about.
How about one of the top 3 or 4 players in baseball history, Willie Mays? What did he do at 40? .271/.425/.482.
Hammering Hank? .268/.341/.491.
Frank Robinson? .224/.329/.358.
etc, etc, etc
As far as any Red Sox obsession with the Yankees goes that ship sailed a long time ago. At this point in time the talent gap between the two organizations is huge. The Red Sox have three five tool all stars in their lineup one of which will be a 23 year old MVP. The Yanks counter with Austin a 25 yr old with a197BA 616OPS and 44prrcent strikeout rate, Refsnyder a utility player at best with. 628 OPS and 0HR and Aaron Judge an injury prone one till player who strikes out every other at bat. You guys will be chasing the Red Sox for the foreseeable future and Red Sox fans consider you no threat whatsoever.
Don't get too dismayed you do have 2018 to look forward to as the Yanks should have about a billion dollars to spend on free agents as the last group of free agent busts head off to retirement.
Enjoy the offseason watching the Red Sox make another World Series run.
So A-rod is the real victim, right?
You're unbearable. Remember a few months ago when you said the Sox rotation was fool's gold? How's that working out for you Greggy? It was awesome sitting in the bleachers and seeing papi and company sweep the Yankees and end your season. Go back to crying in your cereal, Greg.
That fat, fuck Papi/David Arias.
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
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The question is: why is everybody else open season for 'roid questions (see Mike Piazza being asked about back acne at his HOF presser) but the subject completely off limits for meteor head, foul mouth, name changing Big Poopi?
Because the baseball media is swimming with Sawx shills.
That's been going on forever, starting with Curt Gowdy sucking off Fisk on the Game of the Week. Nauseating.
Hey Eric! I want my money back!
Question is how many people had to plead with him to get him to actually do it?
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to honor Fernandez and not him?
Question is how many people had to plead with him to get him to actually do it?
If you need to campaign for the farewell tour, you don't deserve it. I hope he gets pure silence.
Man, I am a Phillies fan and have no bone in this fight.... but what an awesome, awesome comparison.
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Giambi never won. Pettitte got busted while nursing his injury in Houston and Clemens was supposedly using lee Yankee days. Now, there's no evidence that Pettitte or Clemens weren't using with the Yankees too, but there's no evidence they were, either.
Agree completely. Pedro in his prime was the best pitcher I've ever seen. And incredibly baseball smart. I could listen to him talk about baseball all day.
Ortiz is a disingenuous fraud who should not only be booed but should be showered with D batteries as if they were confetti.
Is there anything more pathetic than an ass clown that registers to a website just to post asinine gibberish like this? Wtf happens to someone at birth to make them this way? Loss of oxygen?
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime I'mother than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
Retro. I was goofing on that poster. That he has no stones. Thst people!e booing Ortiz was bad. I was calling him a wuss who needed TRT himself Hence that Patton reference that he wasnt a man. Sarcasm not translating over the internet
In comment 13145767 Greg from LI said:
Congrats bro! 1-3. Big win after losing to UConn. When do you guys go to Blacksburg to get thrashed this year? Another rival who is clearly better than your team. You have a good thing going with the little brother complex, keep it up ;)
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But you bear the burden of being named Ned, and that's punishment enough.
Honestly, why even respond to this guy? You're responding to a guy who posts 100 times and acts like an Internet tough guy. You ever see his picture? Lmao.