“You know what I want most of all?’’ Big Papi told The Post on Tuesday at JetBlue Park. “I would love it if the fans at Yankee Stadium gave me a standing ovation.’’
Please, please, PLEASE don't let me down, Yankee fans. Boo the hell out of this asshole.
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
I don't know what the truth is, but according to Wiki (again, a source we would fail a grad student for using) the initial accusation against him was in Canseco's book, which explicitly states that Clemens started using after he left Boston. Clemens did not meet MacNamee until 1998 and 1998 is the first date that the investigation showed him using. I think that the MacNamee connection is relevant and important. In 1998, Clemens was in his last year with the Blue Jays.
fuck that pumpkinhead. He should give a standing ovation to his Dominican doctor.
As I have written here several times, I would throw at that fat, fucking, lying, steroid abusing hypocrite every at-bat. That goes double for this series. Let him go into the post-season with some baseball stitches on his arms and legs! Standing ovation? Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
as a trade-off. If the Red Sox win tonight, if I am not mistaken, they both clinch the division and also officially knock NY from post-season contention. If Ortiz plays a role in that, then the booing might look hollow, but it's certainly not a bad trade.
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The only thing this guy deserves is a lustily and deep Bronx Cheer every single time he gets spotted. I may respect an opposing ball player even from the hated Saux, but this POS has never and will never gain mine!
Yanks fans sure are bitter about Ortiz just owning you guys over the years. Asking for an ovation is pretty ridiculous though.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
The Giants. And that should be sufficient with respect to this site.
I clearly meant baseball team. I never said he couldn't post on the site. I'm curious because I've never seen him talk basbeall here.
Thanks for your input, though. Don't get mad because there are barely any Sox fans here anymore and most Giants fans don't like the Red Sox.. It's the way it will always be. You should get used to it.
you certainly seemed somewhat bothered in your first post to me, considering it had literally nothing to do with you or your team. Kind of an odd post to react to.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime other than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
but even so, you certainly took umbrage at his rooting for the Red Sox (which actually is my team) and historically that's been accompanied here with the implication that the person shouldn't be on this site, even though it's meant for a completely different sport and completely different team (also my team).
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I hope you can forgive me. And like I said, I have no idea what team he roots for, that's why I asked. Big difference. If people don't like Sox fans posting here, who am I to try to convince them differently. They're entitled to their opinion, and they make up the strong, strong majority here. It is what it is.
all the posters who claim Ortiz must be roiding because he is and has SINCE 2003 had 30+ HR's per year 9 times. Obviously you don't know the rules. He got tested 6 times during this season alone and dozens upon dozens since 2004 and never failed one. I know Yankee fans, he tricked the system every time. Give me a break. Time to get over it.
do you think Patriots fans who are also Yankee fans (and I'm sure there are such people since the world is choking with frontrunners) are welcomed with open arms at Patriots boards?
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all the posters who claim Ortiz must be roiding because he is and has SINCE 2003 had 30+ HR's per year 9 times. Obviously you don't know the rules. He got tested 6 times during this season alone and dozens upon dozens since 2004 and never failed one. I know Yankee fans, he tricked the system every time. Give me a break. Time to get over it.
You do realize, of course, that if he were tested that many times it means that he HAS failed a test, right?
But I'm sure you're right, and he's the one and only fat fuck slugger who improves with age and has a career season at age 40.
all the posters who claim Ortiz must be roiding because he is and has SINCE 2003 had 30+ HR's per year 9 times. Obviously you don't know the rules. He got tested 6 times during this season alone and dozens upon dozens since 2004 and never failed one. I know Yankee fans, he tricked the system every time. Give me a break. Time to get over it.
A-Rod failed one test, and we understand that he regularly took steroids for ten years. The technology of the substances has outpaced the technology of the testing mechanisms. Had Ortiz not previously failed a test I would be loathe to "convict" on mere superstition (Piazza), but he has so I'm not. His career has not tracked traditional norms in terms of a diminution of bat speed and power, if anything he has gained bat speed over the last couple years.
do you think Patriots fans who are also Yankee fans (and I'm sure there are such people since the world is choking with frontrunners) are welcomed with open arms at Patriots boards?
the main Pats forum I have visited out of morbid curiosity has things organized very differently than here.
So you don't even need to see topics you don't care about, but there is a Red Sox fan talk section a Celtics fan talk section, and Other sports fan section. There are some Yankees fans. I know quite a few Patriots/Yankees fans who grew up in CT.
they also allow political conversations without people knifing each other. And for the record, those are some of the most active threads in their forum.
I understand and agree with your assessment as to how his stats do not track the norm, however, you cannot ignore that he has been tested dozens upon dozens of times since 2004 with no positive results. Could it just be that he is a phenomenal hitter? It really is a possibility (not trying to be sarcastic).
As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
There'll be a small smattering of boos because people are dumb, but I don't think the vitriol on BBI for the guy is representative of what Yankee fans as a whole think.
I'm sure he'll get a nice ovation.
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wouldn't be a phenomenal hitter, his rate of production at the back end of his career, would make him the greatest "old age" hitter of all time, in the company of Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, and Ruth.
What do three of those 4 have in common with the ends of their career?
I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but so far the random testing in baseball (for HgH) has caught zero people. and the steroid testing has netted very few. So unless you think players just suddenly stopped, from the 80% Canseco credibly put the number at to 5% or less of players caught, the chemists are ahead of the cops.
But it's all irrelevant anyway, Ortiz has failed more tests than Clemens or Bonds (for example) and both Clemens and Bonds WON cases in a court of law saying they did not perjure themselves. I'm not going to say they were cleared of any wrongdoing, almost everyone believes both used PED's, all I am saying is both have less hard evidence of usage than Ortiz.
His treatment is a weird and bizarre phenomenon. And for non Red Sox fans, especially fans of teams who have had players persecuted for far less, it's frustrating.
Exactly the kind of person who would go along with this kind of crap and cheer for that asshole, the same kind of people who now comprise the bulk of the crowds at Yankee Stadium.
15 years ago, this would not have even been a debate. The only question would have been if he would be pelted with garbage as well as booed.
That has nothing to do with casual or die hard or bandwagon or anything in between.
You say they're real fans, I say the mouthbreathers are the ones who have been priced out, and like I said, I'm sure the Yankees fans in the building will do the right thing.
I don't think these farewell tours are appropriate in general. The first one I remember as a fan was for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I was a big fan of his, but thought it was silly. Then another athlete got a farewell tour and un-retired (I don't recall who).
I think the Yankees should have recognized Jeter and Rivera in their final home games and then any ceremonies for retired numbers, etc. after that. I never thought other teams should have done anything. Fans should give a nice ovation for guys like this.
Now, if I didn't think it was appropriate for guys like Jeter and Rivera, I absolutely think it is not appropriate for Ortiz. I don't think the Yankees should honor him and I don't think the fans even owe him a nice ovation. First, the Sox did nothing for A-Rod, whose career far eclipses Ortiz. Second, Ortiz has the same PED allegations, yet has been given a pass. Third, Ortiz has other black marks on his career. Fourth, he has been a dick specifically to the Yankees and fans. Fifth, he has had enough candy shoved up his ass for his phony BS; we don't need to add to it.
I understand and agree with your assessment as to how his stats do not track the norm, however, you cannot ignore that he has been tested dozens upon dozens of times since 2004 with no positive results. Could it just be that he is a phenomenal hitter? It really is a possibility (not trying to be sarcastic).
Not really. Phenomenal hitters and better athletes than Ortiz have experienced the same decline in bat speed. Some have cheated to keep the power numbers up and saw their BAs decline accordingly, and others have accepted the loss of power but tried to keep the BA up. Few have done both. Ted Williams comes to mind, and there are a few other ostensibly clean players, but most of them have at least been suspect as regards steroids.
It's an open secret that this is still going on. They mostly catch minor leaguers and fringe guys who are taking bigger risks just to make the show. The guys with more to hang onto are more careful about it and they can afford better drugs and better oversight to prevent detection.
There have been four players to slug .500 or better in their age 40 season. Harold Baines (.533, 1999), Moises Alou (.524, 2007), Hank Sauer (.508, 1957), and Darrell Evans (.501, 1987). Ortiz is slugging .632.
The most doubles by a 40 year old in baseball history was Sam Rice with 35 in 1930. Ortiz has 48.
One player in history topped 30 homers at age 40, Darrell Evans in the juiced ball season of 1987 with 34. Ortiz has 37.
The only player in baseball history who did anything like this is Bonds. He missed almost all of his age 40 season before slugging .545 at 41 and .565 at 42. What does that tell you about Shrek? And Bonds was always a tremendous athlete, even before the roids. Shrek is a big fat fuck. Conditioning is hardly something he's been a fanatic about.
You guys can't get enough RedSox/Ortiz obsession. For a fan base that embraced Arod Giambi Pettite and Clemens you're paranoia over Ortiz supposed drug use is laughable, methinks his domination of the Yanks is what really fuels your fire. Looking at the scoreboard its 3-1 in terms of championships since Ortiz arrived on the scene.
As far as any Red Sox obsession with the Yankees goes that ship sailed a long time ago. At this point in time the talent gap between the two organizations is huge. The Red Sox have three five tool all stars in their lineup one of which will be a 23 year old MVP. The Yanks counter with Austin a 25 yr old with a197BA 616OPS and 44prrcent strikeout rate, Refsnyder a utility player at best with. 628 OPS and 0HR and Aaron Judge an injury prone one till player who strikes out every other at bat. You guys will be chasing the Red Sox for the foreseeable future and Red Sox fans consider you no threat whatsoever.
Don't get too dismayed you do have 2018 to look forward to as the Yanks should have about a billion dollars to spend on free agents as the last group of free agent busts head off to retirement.
Enjoy the offseason watching the Red Sox make another World Series run.
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backs on the "festivities" would be more effective. Booing and cursing makes it seem as though we give shit about this phony, fat fuck. Ignoring it is to me a more powerful statement.
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I like how you waited for some else to respond and then you chime in. Pussy.
My, what a big head you have, Peter, as if your comment was worth bothering with when it was so self-evidently stupid.
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
As I have written here several times, I would throw at that fat, fucking, lying, steroid abusing hypocrite every at-bat. That goes double for this series. Let him go into the post-season with some baseball stitches on his arms and legs! Standing ovation? Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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Were tainted by PED's?
Just sayin'...
Ah, but none of the Yankees Series wins were tainted by Arod, Giambi, Pettitte or Clemens? Just askin'...
Gee, wasn't Roger 'Roid a Red Sox for 1000 years?
He started the roids in Toronto.
You believe that? I certainly don't.
He went from winning 11,9,10,10 games in his last 4 years in Boston to winning 20 & 21 in Toronto.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
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Yanks fans sure are bitter about Ortiz just owning you guys over the years. Asking for an ovation is pretty ridiculous though.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
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Yanks fans sure are bitter about Ortiz just owning you guys over the years. Asking for an ovation is pretty ridiculous though.
Um, who the hell are you? And what team do you root for?
The Giants. And that should be sufficient with respect to this site.
I clearly meant baseball team. I never said he couldn't post on the site. I'm curious because I've never seen him talk basbeall here.
Thanks for your input, though. Don't get mad because there are barely any Sox fans here anymore and most Giants fans don't like the Red Sox.. It's the way it will always be. You should get used to it.
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As a diehard Yankees fan, I will be sickened by any so-called "fans" who don't show him respect.
What the Hell is that about? Stockholm Syrdrome? Fuck Ortiz & everything Red Sox. Fuck the tilted Mitchell Report. Fuck the narrative surrounding this human PED globule. Nobody his age can read the spin that well unless he's juicing daily. And he gets away with everything, primarily because of Boston Strong. If you're a Yankee fan and you get up at anytime other than mid-7, start singing Sweet Caroline like the little girls do st Fenway.
Good lord. Go see that endocrinologist. TRT treatment stat. And this is not a micro aggression. It's a macro one. Nut up son. Patton would slap you silly
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not be exists, because decades ago there was no NFL team in New England blah blah blah.
Nah. That would be defensive and suggestive that there's less legitimacy in rooting for the Giants than your own. Which would be incorrect.
Ehhhh...
You do realize, of course, that if he were tested that many times it means that he HAS failed a test, right?
But I'm sure you're right, and he's the one and only fat fuck slugger who improves with age and has a career season at age 40.
A-Rod failed one test, and we understand that he regularly took steroids for ten years. The technology of the substances has outpaced the technology of the testing mechanisms. Had Ortiz not previously failed a test I would be loathe to "convict" on mere superstition (Piazza), but he has so I'm not. His career has not tracked traditional norms in terms of a diminution of bat speed and power, if anything he has gained bat speed over the last couple years.
the main Pats forum I have visited out of morbid curiosity has things organized very differently than here.
So you don't even need to see topics you don't care about, but there is a Red Sox fan talk section a Celtics fan talk section, and Other sports fan section. There are some Yankees fans. I know quite a few Patriots/Yankees fans who grew up in CT.
they also allow political conversations without people knifing each other. And for the record, those are some of the most active threads in their forum.
There'll be a small smattering of boos because people are dumb, but I don't think the vitriol on BBI for the guy is representative of what Yankee fans as a whole think.
I'm sure he'll get a nice ovation.
I guess we'll find out, right?
OK so just so I understand, if they boo, then you're right. But if they cheer, then they priced out the real fans, and you're still right.
Seems reasonable.
You don't boo a nobody. That is respect.
What do three of those 4 have in common with the ends of their career?
I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but so far the random testing in baseball (for HgH) has caught zero people. and the steroid testing has netted very few. So unless you think players just suddenly stopped, from the 80% Canseco credibly put the number at to 5% or less of players caught, the chemists are ahead of the cops.
But it's all irrelevant anyway, Ortiz has failed more tests than Clemens or Bonds (for example) and both Clemens and Bonds WON cases in a court of law saying they did not perjure themselves. I'm not going to say they were cleared of any wrongdoing, almost everyone believes both used PED's, all I am saying is both have less hard evidence of usage than Ortiz.
His treatment is a weird and bizarre phenomenon. And for non Red Sox fans, especially fans of teams who have had players persecuted for far less, it's frustrating.
I'm a casual baseball fan. You made up that I don't care. What I've said is that my fanship has wained from crazy die hard.
But what does this have to do with Ortiz? Deflecting for any particular reason?
15 years ago, this would not have even been a debate. The only question would have been if he would be pelted with garbage as well as booed.
You say they're real fans, I say the mouthbreathers are the ones who have been priced out, and like I said, I'm sure the Yankees fans in the building will do the right thing.
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the secret 2003 test. He was suspended for Biogenesis despite not having failed a test.
He's been suspended twice without ever failing a test. Did he actually fail the "anonymous" test?
Yes. Just like Ortiz, Manny, and 101 anonymous others.
I think the Yankees should have recognized Jeter and Rivera in their final home games and then any ceremonies for retired numbers, etc. after that. I never thought other teams should have done anything. Fans should give a nice ovation for guys like this.
Now, if I didn't think it was appropriate for guys like Jeter and Rivera, I absolutely think it is not appropriate for Ortiz. I don't think the Yankees should honor him and I don't think the fans even owe him a nice ovation. First, the Sox did nothing for A-Rod, whose career far eclipses Ortiz. Second, Ortiz has the same PED allegations, yet has been given a pass. Third, Ortiz has other black marks on his career. Fourth, he has been a dick specifically to the Yankees and fans. Fifth, he has had enough candy shoved up his ass for his phony BS; we don't need to add to it.
Not really. Phenomenal hitters and better athletes than Ortiz have experienced the same decline in bat speed. Some have cheated to keep the power numbers up and saw their BAs decline accordingly, and others have accepted the loss of power but tried to keep the BA up. Few have done both. Ted Williams comes to mind, and there are a few other ostensibly clean players, but most of them have at least been suspect as regards steroids.
It's an open secret that this is still going on. They mostly catch minor leaguers and fringe guys who are taking bigger risks just to make the show. The guys with more to hang onto are more careful about it and they can afford better drugs and better oversight to prevent detection.
The most doubles by a 40 year old in baseball history was Sam Rice with 35 in 1930. Ortiz has 48.
One player in history topped 30 homers at age 40, Darrell Evans in the juiced ball season of 1987 with 34. Ortiz has 37.
The only player in baseball history who did anything like this is Bonds. He missed almost all of his age 40 season before slugging .545 at 41 and .565 at 42. What does that tell you about Shrek? And Bonds was always a tremendous athlete, even before the roids. Shrek is a big fat fuck. Conditioning is hardly something he's been a fanatic about.
How about one of the top 3 or 4 players in baseball history, Willie Mays? What did he do at 40? .271/.425/.482.
Hammering Hank? .268/.341/.491.
Frank Robinson? .224/.329/.358.
etc, etc, etc
As far as any Red Sox obsession with the Yankees goes that ship sailed a long time ago. At this point in time the talent gap between the two organizations is huge. The Red Sox have three five tool all stars in their lineup one of which will be a 23 year old MVP. The Yanks counter with Austin a 25 yr old with a197BA 616OPS and 44prrcent strikeout rate, Refsnyder a utility player at best with. 628 OPS and 0HR and Aaron Judge an injury prone one till player who strikes out every other at bat. You guys will be chasing the Red Sox for the foreseeable future and Red Sox fans consider you no threat whatsoever.
Don't get too dismayed you do have 2018 to look forward to as the Yanks should have about a billion dollars to spend on free agents as the last group of free agent busts head off to retirement.
Enjoy the offseason watching the Red Sox make another World Series run.