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NFT: NHL Preseason: Islanders at New York Rangers. 7:00 on MSG

Anakim : 9/27/2016 10:54 am
Hockey's back! The Sticks of Fish will be visiting the Rangers.

Here are the Rangers lines for tonight (love that top line! I think that may be our second line come opening night. By contrast, no one on that fourth line better make the team):



Chris Kreider-Mika Zibanejad*-Pavel Buchnevich*

Brandon Pirri*- Josh Jooris*-Nicklas Jensen*

Robin Kovacs*-Marek Hrivik-Malte Stromwall*

Chris Brown*-Max Lapierre*-Tanner Glass



Defense

Brady Skjei-Dan Girardi

Marc Staal-Adam Clendening*

Matt Bodie-Dylan McIlrath

Goalies


Mackenzie Skapski/Magnus Hellberg
LOVE this time of year!  
StandingontheshouldersofGiants : 9/27/2016 11:18 am : link
The marriage of Football and Hockey season is a beautiful thing!

I'm also very intrigued by some of the youth on this team and can't wait to see how they perform. And when I say youth, I'm not only taking about young new comers like Vesey, Z and Buchnevich but also the wave of youth on their bridge like JT, Hayes and Krieder... are they ready to take the next step and become steady producers throughout the season?

Always lots of hope at this time of year. I happen to agree with Hank that the window has not closed. If Coach V can figure out the D and enhance the PP, there is no reason we can't go deep into playoff season.

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Vesey traded to the Isles!  
pganut : 9/27/2016 11:23 am : link
From the MSG Network twitter (screencap):


C'mon, Anak...get your own damn company network organized the fuck up.

And...Brad Marchand...8 year deal with the Bs? LMAO.
Maybe Lapierre and Glass will skate into each other  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 11:23 am : link
and injure themselves. It's the highest service they could perform for the team.
Islanders lineup:  
pganut : 9/27/2016 11:42 am : link
F: Ladd-Barzal-Parenteau, Dal Colle-Nelson-Quine, Chimera-Gionta-Fritz, Boulton-Schempp-Bernier.

D: Leddy-Hamonic, de Haan-Quenneville, Finn-Graham

G: Berube & Williams

Like Anak mentioned for the Blueshirts, no one on this 4th line better make the team. Outside of Chimmer on L3, the same can be said for that line, also.
Rangers fans:  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 11:46 am : link
Would you do JT Miller and Brady Skjei for Jacob Trouba?
No  
Davisian : 9/27/2016 11:49 am : link
Stop it
RE: No  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 11:57 am : link
In comment 13145350 Davisian said:
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Stop it


Stop what? Fuck off. I asked a question to gauge if BBI would do it. That's the proposal Blueshirt Banter is floating around.
RE: Vesey traded to the Isles!  
feelflows : 9/27/2016 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13145315 pganut said:
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And...Brad Marchand...8 year deal with the Bs? LMAO.



Hes 28, scored 37 goals last year and is a pest. Do you think $6m is too much annually??
Glass and LaPierre  
NYerInMA : 9/27/2016 12:01 pm : link
better not be on the final roster. The Rangers have way too many talented forwards to be lugging those sleds around.
that is not what BSB floated  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 12:18 pm : link
They suggested two possible packages, one with Miller and Graves and the other with Skjei and Gropp.
RE: that is not what BSB floated  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13145393 Greg from LI said:
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They suggested two possible packages, one with Miller and Graves and the other with Skjei and Gropp.


Dave Shapiro ‏@BlueSeatBlogs
Just trying to gauge something here: Would you trade Skjei/Miller for Trouba?


Kevin Baumer ‏@kevinbaumer
I keep going back and forth on Miller + Skjei but with the glut of forwards I think Miller can be spared
RE: RE: Vesey traded to the Isles!  
pganut : 9/27/2016 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13145363 feelflows said:
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In comment 13145315 pganut said:

And...Brad Marchand...8 year deal with the Bs? LMAO.

Hes 28, scored 37 goals last year and is a pest. Do you think $6m is too much annually??
First year scoring 30, and on a diminished team, show me you can do it more than once. His style of play also doesn't seem to lend itself to him seeing all 8 years of that deal, and maybe that's what Boston anticipates anyway. More the issue with the term, not the $. But playing on the top line for Team Canada at the WC is different than the grind of the NHL season. I'm skeptical he'll live up to the deal.
RE: RE: No  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/27/2016 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13145362 Anakim said:
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Stop it



Stop what? Fuck off. I asked a question to gauge if BBI would do it. That's the proposal Blueshirt Banter is floating around.


Ah, back in midseason form. Love it.
Excited to see  
Metnut : 9/27/2016 12:33 pm : link
what Barzel does tonight.
that's Blue Seat Blog, not Blueshirt Banter  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 12:34 pm : link
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RE: that's Blue Seat Blog, not Blueshirt Banter  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13145423 Greg from LI said:
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Eh, same thing. Bunch of useless, dispensable bloggers repeating themselves.
dispensable?  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 12:37 pm : link
Aren't would-be lawyers supposed to be erudite?
RE: Excited to see  
pganut : 9/27/2016 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13145420 Metnut said:
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what Barzel does tonight.
He had a great feed to Ho-Sang for his goal last night. And on the NYI/NYR tie-in, Gropp was Barzal's wing for most of the year in Seattle.
RE: RE: that's Blue Seat Blog, not Blueshirt Banter  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13145429 Anakim said:
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Eh, same thing. Bunch of useless, dispensable bloggers repeating themselves.


Six of one
RE: dispensable?  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13145431 Greg from LI said:
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Aren't would-be lawyers supposed to be erudite?


They are. Anyone on the BBI Rangers threads could just as good of a job as the bloggers do.
RE: RE: No  
Davisian : 9/27/2016 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13145362 Anakim said:
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Stop it



Stop what? Fuck off. I asked a question to gauge if BBI would do it. That's the proposal Blueshirt Banter is floating around.



Stop it

RE: RE: RE: No  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13145442 Davisian said:
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In comment 13145362 Anakim said:


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In comment 13145350 Davisian said:


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Stop it



Stop what? Fuck off. I asked a question to gauge if BBI would do it. That's the proposal Blueshirt Banter is floating around.




Stop it


I just posted two tweets from bloggers. They floated around the proposal. It's a talking about. Take it up with them, not me.
Trouba is a 3rd pair dman  
Gman11 : 9/27/2016 12:49 pm : link
on the Jets. Giving them Skjei and Miller is dumb. Make it Miller and Staal or Miller and Girardi and it's more even.
What happened to NHL Center Ice  
bluesince56 : 9/27/2016 1:37 pm : link
Package? DTV has not yet announced pricing. Anyone know?
Fuck it  
Fish : 9/27/2016 2:03 pm : link
Let's pencil in Trouba to the rags line up. It will happen.
Trouba's a very good young defenseman  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 2:13 pm : link
But Winnipeg has no leverage to ask for the moon. Trouba is like Drouin - he wants out, and teams are going to do nothing but lowball. You can sell him at a huge discount or just keep him.
Gretzky's all time lineup:  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 2:44 pm : link
Neil Smith ‏@nycneil
Former @NYRangers 99 @OfficialGretzky all time All Star line up: Fuhr-Orr-Coffey Messier-Beliveau-Howe. #bestever
greg  
BocaGiants91 : 9/27/2016 2:46 pm : link
Similar but different since Trouba is unsigned at this point. If not signed by Dec. 4th he has to sit out the season. Trouba plays significant minutes for them for 3 years. Drouin wasn't playing which is why he put up a stink when he got sent down to AHL. Jets have to at least consider a move at this point.
Fuhr?  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 2:48 pm : link
Oiler loyalty is a powerful force.
RE: Gretzky's all time lineup:  
Gman11 : 9/27/2016 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13145609 Anakim said:
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Neil Smith @nycneil
Former @NYRangers 99 @OfficialGretzky all time All Star line up: Fuhr-Orr-Coffey Messier-Beliveau-Howe. #bestever


Fuhr as best all time? I don't think so.
Boca  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 2:49 pm : link
True, it's not an exact comparison, but the principle is the same.
Its fun  
PaulN : 9/27/2016 3:56 pm : link
When all three local hockey teams are close in talent, and all three are. I know the Devils are a little behind, but not that much at all.
RE: Fuck it  
Drewcon40 : 9/27/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13145573 Fish said:
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Let's pencil in Trouba to the rags line up. It will happen.


I don't think we have any more draft picks unless we start tapping into the 2030 draft.
Anyone have a stream for my B.i.L who's  
Run with 81 : 9/27/2016 5:29 pm : link
Stuck up in Maine without a cable TV package... He's lookin' to watch on the laptop. THX!
Great start  
Deej : 9/27/2016 7:15 pm : link
Girardi already in the box.
Mika with the one timer on the PP  
Deej : 9/27/2016 7:18 pm : link
dont worry, once you're here a while you'll learn that isnt the Rangers Way (R)
Laser from the new guy  
redbeard : 9/27/2016 7:23 pm : link
....
enjoy assholes  
B in ALB : 9/27/2016 7:36 pm : link
albany gets the cunteating sabres again.

but i'm in detroit so i can't even get that.
Trouba news:  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 8:19 pm : link
Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
McKenzie: #Bruins, #Avs, #Coyotes, #NYR 'have a really significant interest' in Trouba, 'but don't have the proper fit right now.' #NHLJets
The Kreider-Z-Buch line has been the best by far  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 8:20 pm : link
I mean that's expected, but they have generated a ton of scoring chances
Another laser from Pirri  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 8:33 pm : link
Beautiful passes from Z and Kreider
Nice backhand pass  
Stufftherun : 9/27/2016 8:34 pm : link
by Z and a great shot by Pirri.
There's so much competition in Rangers camp this preseason  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/27/2016 8:56 pm : link
in a way a bit too much if you ask me. And if somehow Tanner Glass still makes the squad with all the bodies at forward now I'll throw my damn remote at AVs head!
I'd like to see pirri earn a spot  
redbeard : 9/27/2016 9:03 pm : link
Add some firepower to the bottom line and has a skill set that would benefit the team on the PP
Zucc better hurry back  
Davisian : 9/27/2016 9:07 pm : link
There may not be a spot left for him..

Clendening is playing very well also  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 9:16 pm : link
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Nice slapper by Rath!  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 9:20 pm : link
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A Rathbomb!  
Stufftherun : 9/27/2016 9:21 pm : link
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No game for me on TV as I'm out of the NY Metro region  
pganut : 9/27/2016 9:26 pm : link
But have been watching the Canada-Europe WC game tonight. Very entertaining, Europe closing the gap to 2-1, late 2nd. I of course am biased, but the Tavares-Getzlaf-Stamkos line has been fun to watch.
Girardi scored!!!!!  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 9:30 pm : link
It was an ENG, but still!
RE: Girardi scored!!!!!  
pganut : 9/27/2016 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13146028 Anakim said:
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It was an ENG, but still!
It's all part of our master plan, making him seem just good enough to keep, so at the opportune moment he reverts to the form you all so much admire.
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Danny Kanell : 9/27/2016 9:39 pm : link
Anyone watching Canada vs Europe?

Good game but the best part is this...


ESPN needs to get the NHL back - ( New Window )
.  
Danny Kanell : 9/27/2016 9:44 pm : link
And why not...


Link - ( New Window )
Jooris is hurt  
Anakim : 9/27/2016 10:12 pm : link
New York Rangers ✔@NYRangers
AV said Jooris "tweaked his groin" at the start of the game and that the team will recall a player cut from camp earlier today. #NYR
Jesus.. Crosby is just undeniable.  
Davisian : 9/27/2016 10:36 pm : link
He's got the rings, he's got the international bonifides and now he's being double shifted (with good reason) in a best on best final..

Hate the little shit, but he's the best generational talent since the whole Gretzky/Lemieux transition..

I'll accept Yzerman as a counter argument, but not really. Sakic, Lindros? nope..

Toews has the resume, but he's playing in the same era and there's not really any doubt who's better.


Fuck that yinzer cunt.

He's still a cunt  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2016 10:47 pm : link
Utterly loathsome in every way.
Dennis Seidenberg to Brooklyn; Kyle Quincey to NJ  
Anakim : 9/28/2016 12:56 pm : link
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
7 teams were in on Seidenberg, including Ottawa. All wanted to wait, but Isles step up. 1 yr, $1 million. Good deal.
Seidenberg likely to get the Brian Strait 7th D role  
pganut : 9/28/2016 12:58 pm : link
A 1 yr, $1M insurance policy; not a terrible pickup.
We've had a 35+ year old defenseman on the team  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/28/2016 1:08 pm : link
for years now, whether Viznovsky or Zidlicky. Makes sense. Adds both depth and experience. Though that 1 million definitely means there's simply no room for any more noteworthy additions to to forward core unless Halak gets moved at some point. I don't think we even have 2 million in space now.
Also, what does this mean for Mayfield?  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/28/2016 1:12 pm : link
I had him penciled in for about 40 games this year.
Mayfield is either the first or second D call up  
pganut : 9/28/2016 1:44 pm : link
Pelech might be ahead of him.

You're right, we have very little room as it stands now, but I'd expect a trade before end of camp, whether a wing (Bailey) or goalie, or both.
RE: Mayfield is either the first or second D call up  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/28/2016 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13146835 pganut said:
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Pelech might be ahead of him.

You're right, we have very little room as it stands now, but I'd expect a trade before end of camp, whether a wing (Bailey) or goalie, or both.


Pganut, doesn't the fact that Mayfield signed a one-way day indicate the Islanders probably have him ahead of Pelech? Correct me if that logic is wrong, but that's what I remember reading at the time.
one-way *deal  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/28/2016 1:54 pm : link
not "day"
RE: RE: Mayfield is either the first or second D call up  
pganut : 9/28/2016 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13146852 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Pelech might be ahead of him.

You're right, we have very little room as it stands now, but I'd expect a trade before end of camp, whether a wing (Bailey) or goalie, or both.



Pganut, doesn't the fact that Mayfield signed a one-way day indicate the Islanders probably have him ahead of Pelech? Correct me if that logic is wrong, but that's what I remember reading at the time.
You'd be correct if Mayfield is on a 1-way. I must have missed that he did sign that one, not doubting you on that.
Seidenberg  
Metnut : 9/28/2016 2:10 pm : link
was almost (but not quite) Brian Strait level bad for Boston the past few years if you look at some of the metrics. Supposedly, he looks great in the WC though, so this could be a buy-low opportunity for the Islanders.

I don't mind him as injury insurance or even giving him ice time if he can outperform others but it would be really frustrating if he gets entitlement veteran minutes over better players like Brian Strait did.
Seidenberg is decent depth  
Davisian : 9/28/2016 2:12 pm : link
But I do not understand the Quincy signing by the Devils. Guy is a total sled. But at least he takes a lot of bad penalties, which is nice.

re: Seidenberg it's not the player, it's the usage  
DinDC : 9/28/2016 2:43 pm : link
Stay at home dman who can play both sides. Tons of experience. Has looked good in WC playing with Josi.
Obviously has skating deficiencies, some puck management problems. Far better passer than Strait or Mayfield.
All depth defenseman have warts, that is why they aren't top 6.

the problem is that the coaching staff sees fit to deploy deficient veterans far more than their talent warrants.

If Dennis gets spot duty with a mobile partner there will be few issues. If he gets 40+ games like Strait that's on coach.
...  
feelflows : 9/28/2016 6:03 pm : link
Sorokin has not regressed after his insane rookie year in the KHL.

I think he gave up a goal last game, so his GAA is up to .937 or something.

If he's not the top G prospect in hockey, he's top 2 or 3.
RE: ...  
pganut : 9/28/2016 6:09 pm : link
In comment 13147261 feelflows said:
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Sorokin has not regressed after his insane rookie year in the KHL.

I think he gave up a goal last game, so his GAA is up to .937 or something.

If he's not the top G prospect in hockey, he's top 2 or 3.
He's insane. Picked right up where he left off. 7-0 this year with a .954 save pctg, a GAA of 0.93 and 3 shutouts. Granted, the KHL is wacky, but no question he's a very good goaltender.
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feelflows : 9/28/2016 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13147265 pganut said:
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In comment 13147261 feelflows said:


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Sorokin has not regressed after his insane rookie year in the KHL.

I think he gave up a goal last game, so his GAA is up to .937 or something.

If he's not the top G prospect in hockey, he's top 2 or 3.

He's insane. Picked right up where he left off. 7-0 this year with a .954 save pctg, a GAA of 0.93 and 3 shutouts. Granted, the KHL is wacky, but no question he's a very good goaltender.


he just turned 21, so hopefully he can continue to develop in the KHL until his contract is up.
RE: ...  
Deej : 9/28/2016 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13147261 feelflows said:
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Sorokin has not regressed after his insane rookie year in the KHL.

I think he gave up a goal last game, so his GAA is up to .937 or something.

If he's not the top G prospect in hockey, he's top 2 or 3.


He's not the top in hockey. And at 6 feet even, there will always be massive question marks over him until/unless he proves it in the NHL.

Also, I dont really believe in goalie prospects. So much of stardom at the position is mental (toughness, approach, prep) and that stuff cant be fully tested until guys reach the NHL. That's why you never see teams getting real value for goalie prospects. Though I've noticed you can now get real value for very inexperienced NHL goalies.
I like  
feelflows : 9/28/2016 6:54 pm : link
Saros (Nashville).. he's only 5'10, but I think he'll be a stud.

Samsonov (Caps) is much bigger. He's 6'4 203lbs and only 19. He looks good this early KHL season. I saw the highlights of him vs Medvescak, and he has the goods (which sucks.. I hope he stays in the KHL). Mike Pelino raves about him.



Deej  
pganut : 9/28/2016 7:04 pm : link
You're right, goaltending prospects are the hardest to project, for sure.

I'm not sure that Sorokin's height will be an issue. But certainly he does have a legit body of work to base some projections on. While the K isn't the NHL, it is the "2nd best" league the world has to offer, and he's playing against developed men, quite a few of whom have played in the NHL. That, opposed to playing for a USHL team or at University of Minnesota-Mankato comprised of teens or overaged juniors and getting excited over gaudy numbers.
Shestyorkin has a lot of promise too  
Greg from LI : 9/28/2016 7:22 pm : link
but unfortunately he won't be coming west for a while
RE: Shestyorkin has a lot of promise too  
feelflows : 9/28/2016 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13147317 Greg from LI said:
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but unfortunately he won't be coming west for a while


no doubt..but who cares? Let him develop in the KHL a bit against grown men. He's only 20, so a few years in the KHL will season him better than playing in the AHL.

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