Here is the deal with Eli.....

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In comment 13145936 drkenneth said:

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Cool story bro.

The Sky is blue.

4,000+ yard/30+ TD seasons means he still hasn't reached his full potential, I can't wait to see what his numbers will look like when he does.

That would rule.

on instead of just taking long, hard looks and realizing that people are reactionary jackasses who don't really give a fuck if they sound moronic.

in a 35 YO. What you see is what you get

In comment 13145936 drkenneth said:

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Really? So you punish Eric because of what other people write?

Do you want him to personally approve every thread before it's published in order to satisfy those who would withhold donations if they view threads as unworthy?

Or maybe you're just really cheap...

Sterling Shepard is in his prime? He has played three career games.

Victor Cruz is in his prime? He's coming back from two years away from the field.

I can't stand in the offseason when I have to read constant articles about what's wrong with Eli, something I don't see for 31 other QB's. I get tired of every time I tell someone I'm a Giants fan I hear "Eli sucks." I'm tired of wanting to watch media coverage of the team or Giants related sports stories and it always revolves around Eli. I get tired of 10,000 threads on Eli on BBI, most of whom judge him in a bubble not compared to his peers. Logically I know I shouldn't care, but it gets annoying.

In my 30 plus years of being a Giants fan I can't think of a time where the Giants QB has been under more constant scrutiny then now. It just gets tired.

maybe wins a couple of Super Bowls, maybe a couple of Super Bowl MVPs, maybe has a number of the finest seasons ever by a Giants QB, finishes his career in the top 10 of just about every QB category, etc. Imagine if he can do that.

In comment 13145959 JOrthman said:

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I can't stand in the offseason when I have to read constant articles about what's wrong with Eli, something I don't see for 31 other QB's. I get tired of every time I tell someone I'm a Giants fan I hear "Eli sucks." I'm tired of wanting to watch media coverage of the team or Giants related sports stories and it always revolves around Eli. I get tired of 10,000 threads on Eli on BBI, most of whom judge him in a bubble not compared to his peers. Logically I know I shouldn't care, but it gets annoying. In my 30 plus years of being a Giants fan I can't think of a time where the Giants QB has been under more constant scrutiny then now. It just gets tired.

Eli's the first Giants QB who can sing. That puts him in the spotlight

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Honestly I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying.

"I'm encouraging him to reach his full potential."

Not in the fact of putting up 4,000 yard 30 td seasons , but in the realization of winning more "championships".

2 superbowl championships in my opinion is not his full potential. I think Eli would agree , he has the ability to win more of them! That's my point.

Now will he? that is a question only he and the team can answer.

In comment 13145956 Overseer said:

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In comment 13145936 drkenneth said: Quote: . Really? So you punish Eric because of what other people write? Do you want him to personally approve every thread before it's published in order to satisfy those who would withhold donations if they view threads as unworthy? Or maybe you're just really cheap...

I've donated for years.

In comment 13145974 sxdxca said:

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Honestly I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying. "I'm encouraging him to reach his full potential." Not in the fact of putting up 4,000 yard 30 td seasons , but in the realization of winning more "championships". 2 superbowl championships in my opinion is not his full potential. I think Eli would agree , he has the ability to win more of them! That's my point. Now will he? that is a question only he and the team can answer.

I think he has a great shot to win another. It just won't happen in week fucking 3.

In comment 13145978 drkenneth said:

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I've donated for years.

You didn't answer the question.

Do you hold Eric responsible for what other people post and do you think he should approve threads before they are published?

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In comment 13145978 drkenneth said: Quote: I've donated for years. You didn't answer the question. Do you hold Eric responsible for what other people post and do you think he should approve threads before they are published?

I think he should charge a subscription fee and wait period to post...so, yes.

I can get stupid anywhere. Is pay for intelligent, well thought out discussion.

get his legacy dissected so much after every freaking game of his career. It's been going on since day one. Eli's going to play 16 games this season (knock on wood) and throw for 4,400 yards, 35 TDs ant 15 INTS, placing him securely among the most productive QBs in the league. If we make the playoffs, no one will want him coming into their building armed with Beckham, Shepard, Cruz and a solid defense. He's a great player. Period.

... ripped my heart out. I have done my best to shake it off, but at times I feel the dull pain of sadness, like when Obi Wan felt a disturbance with the force.

In comment 13145994 bceagle05 said:

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get his legacy dissected so much after every freaking game of his career. It's been going on since day one. Eli's going to play 16 games this season (knock on wood) and throw for 4,400 yards, 35 TDs ant 15 INTS, placing him securely among the most productive QBs in the league. If we make the playoffs, no one will want him coming into their building armed with Beckham, Shepard, Cruz and a solid defense. He's a great player. Period.

BC...agreed. It's fucking exhausting. Eli is going to go down as the greatest Giant of all time. Every fucking throw is dissected.

I honestly believe that 90+ % of the fanbase couldn't find their ass with a roadmap.

He always has been. He's a thrower though, he never gets discouraged and keeps going for the big gain, it's maddening at times but the reason we have two rings is squarely because of that ability. He's not the precision passer his brother was or Brady or Brees are, he never will be. He makes mistakes and costs us drives and games but he's the reason we can knock out anyone on any given Sunday. He's like Razor Rudduck only not as fat and stupid.

Are Peyton Big Ben and Rivers. He's not nearly been as consistently dominant as Peyton and Big Ben during the regular season and his win/loss percentage and QB rating is now lower than Rivers in the regular season. Eli has obviously excelled when in the tournament matching his brother and BEn for super bowl rings and Rivers has been average in the tournament with a 4-5 record.

He's great but he has his weaknesses which is why he is constantly debated in terms of where he stands.

no running game, so we can't stretch the field and he forces footballs when he should not. That is what folks on this board complain about. In his mind he is probably told to do that as he is paid to optimize for opportunity which presents more risk. After all he is paid way more than the rest of the team and drags in ad revenue for the giants organization.

No matter how these last few years of his career go, I will always love him thanks to the 2 SB's. But with that being said, I'm sorry, but he shouldn't be making some of these absolute back-breaking INTs/TO's this late into his career this consistently. It absolutely kills this team at times. No way around it.

In comment 13146027 Dave in Hoboken said:

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No matter how these last few years of his career go, I will always love him thanks to the 2 SB's. But with that being said, I'm sorry, but he shouldn't be making some of these absolute back-breaking INTs/TO's this late into his career this consistently. It absolutely kills this team at times. No way around it.

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In comment 13146018 Les in TO said:

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Are Peyton Big Ben and Rivers. He's not nearly been as consistently dominant as Peyton and Big Ben during the regular season and his win/loss percentage and QB rating is now lower than Rivers in the regular season. Eli has obviously excelled when in the tournament matching his brother and BEn for super bowl rings and Rivers has been average in the tournament with a 4-5 record. He's great but he has his weaknesses which is why he is constantly debated in terms of where he stands.

The comparison to Ben is a lot closer than people want to be believe as proved earlier this year.

Comparing him to Rivers is an absolute joke. This board is unbearable.

People bitch about his %, and its at 72% so we have to find another reason to rag on him. Late game turnovers. Do we forget how many times he has GW drives and go ahead drives (did we forget how many games were blown by the defense?)

Eli has no problems. When you play as many close games as the Giants always do.... he is going to make plays, and there will be the occasional throw like we saw thsi weekend. Ben does it a lot. Rivers does it a lot (didnt his team blow a 25 point lead already this year late in the 3rd??) Rodgers throws game ending INTs. Peyton did too. EVERY QB in that situation has the occasional what the fuck are you doing. Its only magnified because the Giants havent been good and havent had a defense to bail him out over the last 3 years.

I laughed my ass off that someone really posted that he doesnt have the 4th quarter magic anymore..... bare in mind, he has TWO GW 4th quarter drives.... this year!

The over analysis is crazy.

In comment 13146027 Dave in Hoboken said:

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No matter how these last few years of his career go, I will always love him thanks to the 2 SB's. But with that being said, I'm sorry, but he shouldn't be making some of these absolute back-breaking INTs/TO's this late into his career this consistently. It absolutely kills this team at times. No way around it.

uh oh! you just unleashed the BBI Kraken ! Your comment here on BBI is worse than a muslim woman walking down the street in Iran in a bikini

In comment 13145943 shelovesnycsports said:

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The Sky is blue.

And so is my penis

The Giants have not consistently done right by him during his tenure (with an important nod to continual catastrophic injuries). Outdated offense. Good job getting him WRs. Spotty job getting him a defense, tight ends, an O-line, and a running game. He's had 1 "great" team around him in a 13 year career. There is little doubt in my mind that team makes it to the Super Bowl vs Pittsburgh (although in that case, we never would have been treated to this).

His career is somewhat similar to a player you may not expect: Drew Brees (as opposed to, say, Rodgers, Ben, Peyton, Brady who have been better served by their teams and who infrequently miss the post-season).

While obviously the superior player, Brees has also been on a team with largely middling, at times poor talent and also has 5 playoff appearances. He, like Eli, is a lock every year to put up big numbers (bigger, obviously in Brees' case). But he is on a team with a disastrous defense almost every year, so there's only so much he can do and it's unsurprising the Saints miss the playoffs a lot.




Gonna say it again: if this Giants team gets manhandled (again) by the Eagles on Nov 6, I think it's a really bad sign for them. They have enough talent presently where they should be competing with a team that has owned them but who now has a rookie QB. And enough talent, barring a cascade of injuries, to finally return to the post-season.

What does it matter what fans or media think about Eli. His two Super Bowl victories and life time stars speak volumes more.

As to why Giants fans are passionate. For me it s simple and has nothing to do with Eli. Following a team is fun. It a more fun when they win.

This week waiting for the Mon Night game, the Thurs Game were not as much fun. It s simple.

I mean. I'm just at a loss, really.

overseer.

Everyone bitching and complaining that Eli takes chance and the occassional back breaking INTs cant happen...

Well I guess you rather be more safe and have 2 less SBs. I bet you fatties want your cake and eat it too!

I feel like Eli struggles with the dink and dunk passing game McAdoo has implemented. He can do it...but it doesn't play to his strengths.
Eli IMO has always had the ability to throw the ball accurately downfield and take advantage of bad matchups in those situations.
I feel like in the past couple of seasons he's been forced to throw screens and quick slants...which made sense when 2 years ago our line was putrid. Sooner or later you have to have some faith and let the guy sling it.

In comment 13146075 Thunderstruck27 said:

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I feel like Eli struggles with the dink and dunk passing game McAdoo has implemented. He can do it...but it doesn't play to his strengths. Eli IMO has always had the ability to throw the ball accurately downfield and take advantage of bad matchups in those situations. I feel like in the past couple of seasons he's been forced to throw screens and quick slants...which made sense when 2 years ago our line was putrid. Sooner or later you have to have some faith and let the guy sling it.

You have to understand that when teams play 2 deep safeties and the LBs are getting as much depth as possible, you cant throw deep like we have had in the past.

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In comment 13146027 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: No matter how these last few years of his career go, I will always love him thanks to the 2 SB's. But with that being said, I'm sorry, but he shouldn't be making some of these absolute back-breaking INTs/TO's this late into his career this consistently. It absolutely kills this team at times. No way around it. uh oh! you just unleashed the BBI Kraken ! Your comment here on BBI is worse than a muslim woman walking down the street in Iran in a bikini

Hehe. I'm willing to live with that. I love him. But it's the truth. Obviously, QBs are going to make mistakes and throw INTs. But come on, how long has this been going on now?

If they did, the middle of the field would be open constantly

In comment 13146085 Thunderstruck27 said:

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If they did, the middle of the field would be open constantly

Buddy I was at the game. If I had to take a guess at the estimate of 2 deep safeties played....Id put it over 90%. They bracketed OBj basically the entire game. And the middle was open all game. Look at all the catches tye, vereen, donnell, shephard, and occasion beckham got over the middle. Being in the upper level gave me a perfect view that people dont see in a game. Hall and Bruton were deep safeties all game.

Brees has 5 playoff appearances with the Saints.* 1, also with San Diego.

He's such an iconic New Orleans player, sometimes I forget he played elsewhere.

And we kill him when he doesn't. I was as pissed as anyone he threw the int to end the game, but to act as if he's held the team back in some way is silly.

The expectations are insane.

Just don't throw a back-breaking INT so consistently. *shrug*

Has a better winning percentage QB rating TD; INT ratio and has had less surrounding talent than Eli. He's also 3-0 head to head against Manning two of those wins in dominant fashion. It's not a joke to compare the two

In comment 13146098 Les in TO said:

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Has a better winning percentage QB rating TD; INT ratio and has had less surrounding talent than Eli. He's also 3-0 head to head against Manning two of those wins in dominant fashion. It's not a joke to compare the two

Thats funny.... I never knew Eli went 1 on 1 with Rivers. Did they play horse or out? Was it make it-take it?

Rivers has had less talent in his career than Eli. Interesting....

In comment 13146096 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Just don't throw a back-breaking INT so consistently. *shrug*

Ok he has 2 4th quarter wins this year. So 2 for 3. What percentage are we looking for? 75-80%? 100%?

a coach can draw up and he will do so under duress.

If this team can get its head out of its ass with the errors, I think Eli has a chance to be the 2016 NFL MVP.

Imagine if he had a legit tight end.

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In comment 13146096 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: Just don't throw a back-breaking INT so consistently. *shrug* Ok he has 2 4th quarter wins this year. So 2 for 3. What percentage are we looking for? 75-80%? 100%?

It's not like he's 9th all time for 4th quarter comebacks either.

Imagine how many he'd have without all those "backbreaking" INTs.

Brees just threw two of them last night. I've seen Romo do it countless times. I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick throw SIX in one game on Sunday.

Eli takes a lot of chances, he makes some bad reads sometimes.. it happens. The worst throw he made all day on Sunday was probably the one that actually didn't get picked off.

It sucks when he turns the ball over in a big spot but this idea that it happens consistently is a bit of a reach.

In comment 13146103 dep026 said:

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In comment 13146096 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: Just don't throw a back-breaking INT so consistently. *shrug* Ok he has 2 4th quarter wins this year. So 2 for 3. What percentage are we looking for? 75-80%? 100%?

I wish I was only talking about just this year.

In comment 13146126 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 13146103 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 13146096 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: Just don't throw a back-breaking INT so consistently. *shrug* Ok he has 2 4th quarter wins this year. So 2 for 3. What percentage are we looking for? 75-80%? 100%? I wish I was only talking about just this year.

Last year Go ahead and game tying drives in the 4th quarter:
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Carolina
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Miami

In comment 13146123 arcarsenal said:

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Brees just threw two of them last night. I've seen Romo do it countless times. I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick throw SIX in one game on Sunday. Eli takes a lot of chances, he makes some bad reads sometimes.. it happens. The worst throw he made all day on Sunday was probably the one that actually didn't get picked off. It sucks when he turns the ball over in a big spot but this idea that it happens consistently is a bit of a reach.

Ive seen Aaron Rodgers do it too! Big Ben does it a ton too. Great quarterbacks take risky throws in order to win games. Does it suck when it happens? Of course it does.... but I have a feeling if Eli played it safe like people in this thread want, then we are having less rings and less wins.