I think we as Giant fans want so much to pull for him , to applaud him , cheer for him and put our trust in him.
We realize he has all the makings of a great qb , possibly a legend if he reaches his full potential.
He's got 3 powerful wr's in Beckham , Cruz and Shepherd. All in there prime.
And I think it kills all of us Giant fans when he blows it. Not because we hate him , but because deep down inside we want to see him thrive , excel , dominate the NFL.. And win several more superbowl championships.
That's why people are so passionate on this board , cuz they love Eli and want him to reach his full potential....
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Just don't throw a back-breaking INT so consistently. *shrug*
Ok he has 2 4th quarter wins this year. So 2 for 3. What percentage are we looking for? 75-80%? 100%?
I wish I was only talking about just this year.
He's 9th all time in 4th quarter comebacks.
What year(s) are you talking about?
It's as if people only watch the Giants game, turn off the TV, then bitch about Eli, not realizing most/all QBs make the same errors.
The rest of the league and it's fans would laugh at you if you answer no to that question.
And it has nothing to do with whether or not other QBs throw picks. We all know they do. Never said they didn't. But I would be interested in knowing if they are in that soul-crushing part of the game where it most likely ends the game. I don't even care about the past years anymore. But it really shouldn't be happening at this stage of the game against an inferior opponent down 2 CBs, at home. Stop.
Sure, he did. But Wilson also might not have thrown as many soul-crushers as Eli has, either.
You're not supporting it with anything factual.
The rest of the league and it's fans would laugh at you if you answer no to that question.
And it has nothing to do with whether or not other QBs throw picks. We all know they do. Never said they didn't. But I would be interested in knowing if they are in that soul-crushing part of the game where it most likely ends the game. I don't even care about the past years anymore. But it really shouldn't be happening at this stage of the game against an inferior opponent down 2 CBs, at home. Stop.
But it did. And he has made throws against the best teams of all time to clinch wins.
And I am pretty sure the other team coaches know they were down 2 Cbs and altered their defense because of that. If you see the replay, Vereen - one of the best pass catching backs in the NFL, had 1 on 1 with a LB. He wins the matchup 9 out of 10 times. If caught, game is over.... there was no one in the middle of the field. The LB played good defense, and made a great play and Eli made a poor throw.
It absolutely sucks that it happens, but that was the matchup we wanted.
So you're gonna tell me Russell Wilsom throwing a game ending INT in the Super Bowl isn't "soul crushing"?
Does he throw too many INTS? Probably.
But you're being silly.
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Sure, he did. But Wilson also might not have thrown as many soul-crushers as Eli has, either.
I am damn sure Eli hasnt thrown a worse pick than Wilson did in the SB. And if anyone tries to argue that he has, Ill just laugh and laugh and laugh....
So you're gonna tell me Russell Wilsom throwing a game ending INT in the Super Bowl isn't "soul crushing"?
Does he throw too many INTS? Probably.
But you're being silly.
Of course nothing is worse than throwing a pick to end a SB. Never said it wasn't. So, please stop putting words in my mouth.
"Probably." Haha. Ya' think?
I don't have Giants games on DVD and memorize every ending to every disasterous Giants game over the past 4 years or so (and prior to that, as well). Sorry. But you guys are right. My bad.
"I wish I was only talking about this year."
Now it's: "it's not so much about the past INTs."
So you're now only pissed about one "soul crushing" int?
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for soul-crushing INTs. Anyway, it's not so much about the past INTs, like I said. It's more about the fact that here it is at home against an inferior opponent with a secondary down 2 CBs. Ick.
"I wish I was only talking about this year."
Now it's: "it's not so much about the past INTs."
So you're now only pissed about one "soul crushing" int?
You are right.
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What was the last one he threw prior to Sunday?
I don't have Giants games on DVD and memorize every ending to every disasterous Giants game over the past 4 years or so (and prior to that, as well). Sorry. But you guys are right. My bad.
Well, I'd think that if it happens as often as you insinuate.. a "soul-crushing INT" shouldn't be something you need to re-watch a game to remember and should be pretty easy to recall.
It's not too hard to recall soul-crushing losses in general even if they occurred a decade ago.
Maybe he just doesn't throw them as much as you think he does?
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What was the last one he threw prior to Sunday?
I don't have Giants games on DVD and memorize every ending to every disasterous Giants game over the past 4 years or so (and prior to that, as well). Sorry. But you guys are right. My bad.
Well, I'd think that if it happens as often as you insinuate.. a "soul-crushing INT" shouldn't be something you need to re-watch a game to remember and should be pretty easy to recall.
It's not too hard to recall soul-crushing losses in general even if they occurred a decade ago.
Maybe he just doesn't throw them as much as you think he does?
You are right. He does not. Barely any, now that I think about it.
Interesting logic
I'm simply looking for an intelligent discussion. You don't seem to be able to produce anything other than "That sucks bro" type posts.
The constant whining, bitching, and moaning is exhausting.
Not for me. I don't automatically think as Russel as a 'winner' and I certainly don't think as Ben as any kind of IronMan. I think people think of Eli as more of an Iron Man than Ben is. His streak of playing games is brought up a fair amount these days; as it should be (*knocks on wood*). And I certainly don't think as Eli as some kind of a fool or even turnover happy, especially since McAdoo got here. But it just goes to show; one slight criticism...and boom. JoeMP was right.
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to this franchise personally. It's odd.
I'm simply looking for an intelligent discussion. You don't seem to be able to produce anything other than "That sucks bro" type posts.
The constant whining, bitching, and moaning is exhausting.
The only kind of 'intelligent discusion' you're interested in are topic of discussion that paint the Giants as error-less....bro.
The constant sucking, whining, blowing is even worse.
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According to the media, Russell Wilson is "just a winner" despite choking in his last three playoff games (Packers let him off the hook) and Ben is an ironman, despite missing a month every season due to injury. Eli's label is that of a turnover-prone, bumbling fool, which is why there was radio silence the first two weeks of the season and a lot of noise all of a sudden after Sunday's performance.
Not for me. I don't automatically think as Russel as a 'winner' and I certainly don't think as Ben as any kind of IronMan. I think people think of Eli as more of an Iron Man than Ben is. His streak of playing games is brought up a fair amount these days; as it should be (*knocks on wood*). And I certainly don't think as Eli as some kind of a fool or even turnover happy, especially since McAdoo got here. But it just goes to show; one slight criticism...and boom. JoeMP was right.
Criticism in the right context is fair. If you said that it sucked ass that eli threw a shitty pick and had an off game - no one would argue with you.
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According to the media, Russell Wilson is "just a winner" despite choking in his last three playoff games (Packers let him off the hook) and Ben is an ironman, despite missing a month every season due to injury. Eli's label is that of a turnover-prone, bumbling fool, which is why there was radio silence the first two weeks of the season and a lot of noise all of a sudden after Sunday's performance.
Not for me. I don't automatically think as Russel as a 'winner' and I certainly don't think as Ben as any kind of IronMan. I think people think of Eli as more of an Iron Man than Ben is. His streak of playing games is brought up a fair amount these days; as it should be (*knocks on wood*). And I certainly don't think as Eli as some kind of a fool or even turnover happy, especially since McAdoo got here. But it just goes to show; one slight criticism...and boom. JoeMP was right.
The issue is it isn't "slight criticism".
It's every fucking pass, every fucking game. And this idea that I can't be critical of this organization is something you're making up..
You got called out on your bullshit on this thread (by multiple posters) and now are looking for someone else to blame.
I've been a fan of this team for 40 years...hope to be for another 40.
I simply choose not to complain about every singe thing that happens. This is a long term investment.
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According to the media, Russell Wilson is "just a winner" despite choking in his last three playoff games (Packers let him off the hook) and Ben is an ironman, despite missing a month every season due to injury. Eli's label is that of a turnover-prone, bumbling fool, which is why there was radio silence the first two weeks of the season and a lot of noise all of a sudden after Sunday's performance.
Not for me. I don't automatically think as Russel as a 'winner' and I certainly don't think as Ben as any kind of IronMan. I think people think of Eli as more of an Iron Man than Ben is. His streak of playing games is brought up a fair amount these days; as it should be (*knocks on wood*). And I certainly don't think as Eli as some kind of a fool or even turnover happy, especially since McAdoo got here. But it just goes to show; one slight criticism...and boom. JoeMP was right.
Criticism in the right context is fair. If you said that it sucked ass that eli threw a shitty pick and had an off game - no one would argue with you.
You're right. He never throws bad picks. And if he does, it's on the same level as the best QB's in the league. My bad.
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According to the media, Russell Wilson is "just a winner" despite choking in his last three playoff games (Packers let him off the hook) and Ben is an ironman, despite missing a month every season due to injury. Eli's label is that of a turnover-prone, bumbling fool, which is why there was radio silence the first two weeks of the season and a lot of noise all of a sudden after Sunday's performance.
Not for me. I don't automatically think as Russel as a 'winner' and I certainly don't think as Ben as any kind of IronMan. I think people think of Eli as more of an Iron Man than Ben is. His streak of playing games is brought up a fair amount these days; as it should be (*knocks on wood*). And I certainly don't think as Eli as some kind of a fool or even turnover happy, especially since McAdoo got here. But it just goes to show; one slight criticism...and boom. JoeMP was right.
The issue is it isn't "slight criticism".
It's every fucking pass, every fucking game. And this idea that I can't be critical of this organization is something you're making up..
You got called out on your bullshit on this thread (by multiple posters) and now are looking for someone else to blame.
I've been a fan of this team for 40 years...hope to be for another 40.
I simply choose not to complain about every singe thing that happens. This is a long term investment.
And for the past four years, this team has been a Loser. Guess what? People, especially this day in age, are going to complain about it, especially on the internet. It's a rather harmless way for people express their disappointment.
The fact that there are people on here, who aren't paid by the Giants, that take that as a personal insult, is something that those people themselves should desperately seek some help for. Sorry dude, I love Eli. But he does throw his fair share of bad picks. They've cut down since McAdoo came aboard, but they are still there, albeit not as bad as pre- McAdoo. It is what it is.
Difference is Eli doesn't get a free pass from media like others do (Brees, Ben, Wilson, etc)
As stated above: The narrative is Eli is a turnover machine goofball.
I find it frustrating. We will all miss him when he is gone.
Manning is also usually money in the clutch. I had no doubt the Giants were going to win Sunday when they held Washington to 3. I think we always expect him to save the day. The 2 Superbowls kinda get your expectations up.
Is just didn't work out this time. I will bet you, though, he'll pull a rabbit out of his hat sometime this year.
But besides that, Eli's worst attribute is also his best; he will take chances with the football. He'll attempt throws the majority of passers won't even dream of. The greatness of Eli is that he will sometimes complete them, and they turn out to be iconic plays in his career. The opposite of that is that sometimes they lead to devastating turnovers that end the game or put the game out of reach. The problem is that many fans will attribute the positive outcomes to luck (i.e. the Helmet Catch), and attribute the negative outcomes to mediocrity or worse.
For whatever reason, people seem to put way more stock into anything negatively related to Eli than to anything positive. And in no way am I saying the guy is infallible, because he isn't, but whatever faults he's had has all been worth it for me. The dude has given Giants fans some of the greatest sports moments in their lives, he's an absolute New York sports icon, yet he's generally looked at as a problem. It's sad and a shame, because he really does deserve better.
But this also leads to another great trait for Eli, which extends beyond the football field: he doesn't ever seem to be bothered by what people think of him. He's always been a stand up guy and will take the blame, when his line breaks down, when his receivers hang him out to dry, when his defense decides to do their best paper mache impression after yet another 4th quarter comeback. He'll bear the cross and never point the finger at anyone else. If I was a player I'd love to play with somebody like that, as opposed to any number of whiny QB's that will throw you under the bus.
If I'm being honest, I never thought it would be true, but Eli has become my favorite athlete, even more so than Jeter. And in due time, when his career is over, I'm sure the lot of us will look back and remember just how great he is/was.
Only thing I will say about this place is some sure are so quick to point out every little criticism made on this board is incorrect, despite the fact that the Giants have had a flat-out bad 4 years in a row. It's odd.
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In comment 13145943 shelovesnycsports said:
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The Sky is blue.
And so is my penis
Has this been happening for 4 hours?
Only thing I will say about this place is some sure are so quick to point out every little criticism made on this board is incorrect, despite the fact that the Giants have had a flat-out bad 4 years in a row. It's odd.
Are we talking about Eli's soul crushing INTs or the teams 4 bad years in a row? You keep changing the argument.
Nobody is denying the past few years have been shitty. I'm sick of it as well, but things are on the up and up.
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that of course every other QB in the league throw bad picks from time to time. Just seems like throws more soul-crushers. Maybe I am wrong, though.
Only thing I will say about this place is some sure are so quick to point out every little criticism made on this board is incorrect, despite the fact that the Giants have had a flat-out bad 4 years in a row. It's odd.
Are we talking about Eli's soul crushing INTs or the teams 4 bad years in a row? You keep changing the argument.
Nobody is denying the past few years have been shitty. I'm sick of it as well, but things are on the up and up.
I didn't change shit. Just a couple of posts ago you were talking about how you "don't complain after every little thing" and this is a "long term investment for you." Nice try, though. I mean...Jesus..
leads the league in fumbles since 2006 with 121
I can live with INTs downfield, but when you get intercepted on a pass that is going for less than five yards, that's terrible. Happens way too much to Eli
if he takes care of the ball, he is as good as anybody in the league. But until that happens, he is not in the same category as guys like Brady
leads the league in fumbles since 2006 with 121
I can live with INTs downfield, but when you get intercepted on a pass that is going for less than five yards, that's terrible. Happens way too much to Eli
if he takes care of the ball, he is as good as anybody in the league. But until that happens, he is not in the same category as guys like Brady
What do the actual numbers look like, because he has also played more games then anyone since 2006.