Giants TEs

almost everyone here is more interested in a TE who can block a lot and catch a bit

One is a Reese late round pick that didn't really see any time until Shockey got hurt and the other was a one year deal FA who didn't attract that much attention in free agency the year the Giants signed him since he was considered a blocking TE that had potential.

Giants drafted a TE in the 3rd round a few years ago. And he wasn't used much because he wasn't considered a great blocker.

This year the Giants drafted one of the highest rated TEs in the 6th round. Analysts considered it a draft day steal. Coaches haven't seen fit to use him yet.

Any other questions?

Oh really? Is that so? I've read plenty of threads on this site over the years of people asking why we don't have a consistent pass-catching TE like other teams.

In comment 13145965 looie said:

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Oh really? Is that so? I've read plenty of threads on this site over the years of people asking why we don't have a consistent pass-catching TE like other teams.

Over the years we didn't have OBJ, Shepherd, Cruz, Vereen and a mediocre OL. Needs change. Another Howard Cross would be just fine now

would be stomachable if they could block. When you have receivers as good as the Giants do (not to mention Vereen before he went down), it's acceptable for the Tight End to be a 3rd or 4th read. Dan Campbell, for instance, was a useful player despite never catching more than 200 yards for NY.

Tye & LD are poor in the passing game (aside from Donnell's occasional red zone presence) and liabilities blocking for Manning. It's likely either would make another NFL roster. It's a marked weakness on the team which can hopefully be improved upon in the off-season or via Adams developing.

he was an exceptional blocker and not without timely receptions as well.

For some reason Reese feels that spending resources on a high quality TE is not a priority. I have hopes Adams is a contributor by the end of the season.

Donnell seems awkward to me. Not a natural TE. Tye seems more fluid but the first pick vs. Washington was just as much on him as Eli. If you run a route expect the ball.

I feel Bennett was the last almost complete TE. We only had him one year. This team this season is built around their 3 WR sets. the TE is a last resort unless we are in the red zone. But the biggest loss was Johnson going down with injuries. I felt he would have been that blocker and go to guy for Eli like the FB's of the past.

I feel Bennett was the last almost complete TE. We only had him one year. This team this season is built around their 3 WR sets. the TE is a last resort unless we are in the red zone. But the biggest loss was Johnson going down with injuries. I felt he would have been that blocker and go to guy for Eli like the FB's of the past.

that fans feel he's ignored. They've brought people in, and they've done a decent job developing no names like Donnell and Tye into contributors.

I know we're all disgusted with both of them now, but considering where they started they've both been brought along well by the giants, and have showed flashes (although inconsistent) of being quite good.

Giants are far from the only team to pay less attention to the TE spot. In the past I was very hopeful the giants would go get a guy like Ebron early in the draft to solve that problem. It would of been a horrible mistake. TE is a spot more than most where you build guys rather than draft nfl ready players.

It's a down moment, but show some patience Donnell and Tye can contribute, and/or Adams develops himself eventually

If you want a better TE you have to give up a player somewhere else. Someone drafted high enough to have gotten a good TE instead of or a FA who you sign a TE instead of. So who do you want to swap out for your TE? OV, Harrison, Hankins, JPP, Jenkins, DRC, Apple, Collins, Thompson, Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Vereen, OBJ, Sheppard, Cruz? Just who do you want to swap out for your better TE?

In comment 13146122 BillT said:

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If you want a better TE you have to give up a player somewhere else. Someone drafted high enough to have gotten a good TE instead of or a FA who you sign a TE instead of. So who do you want to swap out for your TE? OV, Harrison, Hankins, JPP, Jenkins, DRC, Apple, Collins, Thompson, Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Vereen, OBJ, Sheppard, Cruz? Just who do you want to swap out for your better TE?

That's not true at all. It's not a zero sum game. And being adequate would be good enough. We're not even adequate at TE.

The critics act as if we were not playing with limited resources. Always the question should be: what position would you rather neglect.?
You simply can't do it all and on defense the front four and coverback have to get the most money.
On offense the QB, offensive lineman and WR have to get the lions share of the money. What's left goes to RB's and TE's,but they are no longer the most crtical links.
But by all means, continue with the criticism.

statement. We confuse guys who were unknown and making the team with actually filling a hole. It is more sad to note that guys like LD and TYE are starter and backup than positive that we developed an unknown. Antonio Gates was a guy unknown who developed. LD is a guy we are stuck with because we have nothing else better..

TE and LB have been completely ignored as far as looking for a top level talent.

that Reese ignores the position is gaining steam this year. Funny, because people have claimed Reese has at times ignored positions like the OL and LB too. In fact, there were some comical threads this offseason when there were questions about Shepard and Cruz that Reese ignores the WR position. Last year, people claimed he ignores the S position.

What it boils down to is that any group that isn't performing well doesn't seem to get laid at the feet of the players, it gets laid at the feet of the GM as if he gives the coaches the finger and sneers "You'll get nothing and like it!".

I'm not even going to touch the fact that in the salary cap era, building an all-star team is nearly impossible, so you have to allocate resources to a certain strategy.

It isn't really that difficult to pick up on, yet a lot of people really have issues figuring that out. Baffling.

The Jets spend way more time with Enunwa on the field than a true TE. They cut Amaro and have been using Kellen Davis for crying out loud. I'm sure they would like to upgrade - they just picked up Drunky McGee-Jenkins, but it is not a priority position.

3 good WRs is way more important than a two way TE. Use an extra lineman sometimes to block. Problem solved. I think this need a TE talk will really grow without Vereen, cause you will probably want a replacement safety valve/junkman.

will you promise to apologize?

that Tony Gonzalez could have been had.....Reese didn't need him...instead he drafted Beckum....

even make sense??

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There was a time, Doomster : 10:08 am : link : reply that Tony Gonzalez could have been had.....Reese didn't need him...instead he drafted Beckum....

I mean at one time, we had a chance to get Brett Favre or we had a chance to get Terrell Davis or Tom Brady too.

Absolutely ridiculous logic.

for a 2nd rounder (understandable to not want to give up that much, even for the best TE of all time). Beckham drafted 4 years later.

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I think people understand a team can't be good at every position and obviously not "all-star" (bizarre notion). For instance, in a 4-3 the Dline has been prioritized and excellent acquisitions like Snacks lauded, even as the LBs are mostly pedestrian. Trade-offs.

What some are saying is that when A) you have an immobile 35 y/o QB and B) when said QB has in the past shown he likes throwing to Tight Ends, especially in key moments, it's worth prioritizing that position. At the very least, with a player who can block. It's not too much to expect a Dan Campbell at the position.

LD & Tye are poor all around (call them -2 way Tight Ends). Likely neither would make another NFL roster. One can't say the Giants haven't tried to address the position. Bennett, Myers, developing LD, drafting Adams. It just hasn't worked out. Not crazy IMV to at this point spend some FA cash or a 2nd/3rd rounder (where a lot of starting TEs come from) on one. Eli likes throwing to Tight Ends.

the benefit of hindsight. Honestly what TE did you want in the draft over the past few years. So many BBI'ers wanted to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on guys like Maxx Williams, Eric Ebron, Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Jace Amaro, or Troy Niklas and none of them lived up to their potential.

I liked Ertz in the 2nd (35th), but the Giants did not have a chance to draft him. Got Hankins at 49. Did have a chance to draft Reed in the 3rd, but took Damontre Moore. All hindsight, of course, so not worth lamenting too much. You can point the recently available Tight Ends like Bennett and Jordan Cameron, but who knows how much Reese considered them.

Regardless, I suspect Manning would like a better target at the position. Recall how much he threw to Boss and Ballard in key moments, and neither were great players.

I'm still holding out hope Tye can develop a bit more, he has some potential. LD it's likely he is what he is and will not improve. I did not think he'd make the roster this year.

The X factor, of course, is that the Giants are very consciously in "win now" mode given Manning's age.

In comment 13146566 Overseer said:

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I liked Ertz in the 2nd (35th), but the Giants did not have a chance to draft him. Got Hankins at 49. Did have a chance to draft Reed in the 3rd, but took Damontre Moore. All hindsight, of course, so not worth lamenting too much. You can point the recently available Tight Ends like Bennett and Jordan Cameron, but who knows how much Reese considered them. Regardless, I suspect Manning would like a better target at the position. Recall how much he threw to Boss and Ballard in key moments, and neither were great players. I'm still holding out hope Tye can develop a bit more, he has some potential. LD it's likely he is what he is and will not improve. I did not think he'd make the roster this year. The X factor, of course, is that the Giants are very consciously in "win now" mode given Manning's age.

The 2013 draft was a great draft for TE's but since then there have been a lot of disappointments.

Garners zero attention It's slightly worse than how
they construct the O-line .
You can blame Reece and or the scouts for consistant
failure on late mid to late round wasted draft picks .
Eli has always been better when we had someone who
had the size speed ration to get chunks of yards
up the seam and a bailout When the WR's couldn't get
open . WE have the worst core of TE's in the NFL
and it's not even close . We could cut Both Tye and
Donell and I doubt anyone would pick them up .
Offensive line same deal how many picks have we used
on a developmental O-line player and have Zero
to show for it . You can clamour all you want about
the last couple of drafts . It still doesn't make
up for all the poor drafts we have had .
Same with free agents we miss as many as we hit on .

Will Tye had more catches for more receiving yards than any rookie tight end in pro football last season, including all 20 of them who were selected in the 2015 draft. And he did it in 13 games and just seven starts. That's why he was named to the Pro Football Writers Associations's All-Rookie team last year.

Six of those 20 drafted tight ends didn't catch a single pass last season. Jeff Heuerman caught one for the Broncos; Nick O'Leary caught two for the Bills; Geoff Swaim four for the Cowboys; James O'Shaughnessy six for the Chiefs and Malcolm Johnson caught seven for the Browns.

Those 20 tight ends are typical draft picks. That is, few of them will ever rise above replacement level and most of them will be gone within four years. In fact, three of them are already out of the league and one, Nick Boyle, is currently serving a 10 game suspension.

Giants tight ends combined for 88 catches for 838 yards and five touchdowns last season on an offense that was 6th in points, 8th in points per drive, 8th in yards gained, 7th in yards per play, 7th in passing yards, and tied for 1st in passing touchdowns. Larry Donnell and Will Tye are important contributors on one of the best offenses in football.

Why haven't the Giants drafted a tight end in the early rounds recently? Because other players had higher grades. If their highest graded player is a tight end when they're on the clock next year, they'll draft him. If there's a tight end available in free agency who's better than what they have they'll make a good faith effort to sign him.

The Giants, like every other NFL team, are looking to improve every day at every position. However, great players don't just fall from the sky.

He says college football isn't producing "blocking TEs." And NFL teams don't need or ask them to block like they did in the 80s. The best TEs in the league right now are not great blockers. They're just asked to get in the way, chip, and then get into their routes.

That said, the Giants TEs SUCK. Neither Donnell or Tye could start on another team in the league. And I don't even care much that they don't block.

I CARE THAT THEY MAKE TOO MANY MENTAL MISTAKES. Donnell is an adventure every time they throw to him, and Tye Ruben Randle'd last week and caused an INT.

are telling the head coach and the GM that the TEs on the team just don't have the talent to be NFL quality TEs. It has to be as obvious to them as it is to us that the TE position is a weak link on the team and we will suffer for it until it gets fixed. Unfortunately the Giants are a team that is always in dire need at other positions and TE gets overlooked every year....

In comment 13146886 David B. said:

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He says college football isn't producing "blocking TEs." And NFL teams don't need or ask them to block like they did in the 80s. The best TEs in the league right now are not great blockers. They're just asked to get in the way, chip, and then get into their routes. That said, the Giants TEs SUCK. Neither Donnell or Tye could start on another team in the league. And I don't even care much that they don't block. I CARE THAT THEY MAKE TOO MANY MENTAL MISTAKES. Donnell is an adventure every time they throw to him, and Tye Ruben Randle'd last week and caused an INT.

If teams don't ask tight ends to block like they used to, then why does our team rely so much on it? What are other teams doing with their running game that ours isn't - where they don't need a tight end mauling someone but we want one so badly?