He's making the right football plays but he definitely can look to his outside guys more even when the coverages are designed to stop those routes. Even bracketing Beckham isn't enough to prevent him from getting open in a lot of cases.. he's lethal on quick slants, there's just no possible way to cover him. If you don't completely jam him, you're toast.. and if you try jamming him and he bounces around you, you're completely fucked.
Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
If you don't trust him to catch the ball then he shouldn't be on the field. That route is very similar to similar passes he has thrown to Donnell if not the same. Again, it was a hot read, so he was throwing it because of the blitz, so the option was throw to Tye or throw it away.
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
He has shown last year that he is a viable passing target. He's a 2nd year kid from Stony Brook, and made a similar mistake to the one Sterling Shepard made just recently. Like SS, I think Tye will move on and learn from his mistake. It's not like this a repeated issue for Tye giving up on routes, like he's Reuben Randle.
I remember you being a Tye fan last year. You wonder because of the effort if he would be used less in the red zone or if Eli will be reluctant to look towards him. You are right in the sense that he isnt like randle and giving up on a play, it just really sucks seeing ANYONE doing it. He may not be talented like some of our WRs, but effort should equal those of the others.
Lets all agree lets hope Tye catches a big TD this week that leads us to victory.
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
And your right that the others were open. But, I am jsut sharing my opinion. And you may not believe me, but I am a pretty truthful guy. When I saw the formation at the game (I was with my dad), I saw the safety starting to cheat towards Eli's right. I said to him, this is going to Tye, he has the mismatch. And when the ball was lobbed, from my vantage point it looked like it was an easy catch (granted I was in the 3rd level) and when I saw the ball picked I was like WTF happened?
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
In the post game conference both the coach and Eli said Tye was the hot read on the play. So, he didn't choose Tye over the other WR's. It was a pass to Tye or a throw away.
In the post game conference both the coach and Eli said Tye was the hot read on the play. So, he didn't choose Tye over the other WR's. It was a pass to Tye or a throw away.
That's fucked up. 7 yards downfield just to the right two guys open.
Also, the hot read is supposed to be a shorter route that you use when you are anticipating pressure. It looked like Tye ran the deepest route of any eligible on the field
And you may not believe me, but I am a pretty truthful guy. When I saw the formation at the game (I was with my dad), I saw the safety starting to cheat towards Eli's right. I said to him, this is going to Tye, he has the mismatch. And when the ball was lobbed, from my vantage point it looked like it was an easy catch (granted I was in the 3rd level) and when I saw the ball picked I was like WTF happened?
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
100% agree...he had inside leverage and if just continued his route he uses his body and catches the TD...it wasnt a badly thrown ball AT ALL. it was all on tye and id argue with anyone that most TEs would catch that for 6
Tye and mismatch should never be used together.
You don't throw tye open - you throw prime nicks open, plax open, obj open.
Especially in the red zone.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
You do realize its been proven that the ball hit rainey right in his gut, right? It was only after he failed to secure that the defender had any chance to make an INT.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
I disagree with this 100%. If the ball was thrown a half yard further, your right its probably an easier catch. However.... he is throwing the ball into a small window with 3 defenders (back line, side line, and defender) that he has to put it into a spot where the offensive player can make a play.
The only reason why the defender was able to make a play was due to the fact that Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. Rainey tried to do it all in one motion and that half a second letting the ball get to him let the defender close the gap.
Thats why you are ALWAYS taught to catch the ball at its highest point. I had this discussion last year on a play Randle failed to make against Dallas that he let the ball get to him and the defender was able to make a play. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
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It wasn't a choice of who to throw to on that play...Both the Coach and Eli said Tye was the hot read because of the blitz. SO, it was throw it away or to Tye. there was not choice...
I feel like Bruce Willis on The Sixth Sense...am I dead here, is anyone reading this....?
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
If the HC thinks Rainey can do it, then who are you to question him. He was put onto the field by the coach and told to the run pattern by the coach. If he cant do it, blame the coach for putting him in that position. But as long as he is on the field, he is expected to do what is ask of him or else he wouldnt be in that position in the first place.
Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
He has shown last year that he is a viable passing target. He's a 2nd year kid from Stony Brook, and made a similar mistake to the one Sterling Shepard made just recently. Like SS, I think Tye will move on and learn from his mistake. It's not like this a repeated issue for Tye giving up on routes, like he's Reuben Randle.
Ya its one mistake have to give the kid a chance... i still put this one on Eli anyway *ducks*.
Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
More of a McAdoo question.. not Eli.
I can agree with that. My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
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My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
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My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
I would have to watch the replay, but it looks like a safety was out there to guard him. You bring out a WR, they may bring in another corner. Plus Rainey had him beat. The ball was a little underthrown, but he was clearly open.
Again, I cant stress this enough. The play was successful in getting a guy wide open. Whether its a poor throw, giving up on a route, a dropped pass - theres always these small mistakes that are KILLING us. And no escapes blame. That includes our best players like Eli and OBJ and some of the bottom roster guys like Tye, Rainey, etc. Its got to be cleaned up.
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As Jorthman keeps pointing out it was a hot route on a blitz play. There is no progression to go through. The QB and the receivers know depending on where the blitz comes from you are the hot and you should know the ball is coming to you and only you. Tye made a mistake and didnt realize the blitz and that he was the hot man. In most of those situations the QB is throwing to a spot even before the receiver makes his break. Thats all on Tye. Its a bang bang play and theres no progression to read thru any other WRs. Its way too simplistic to say that anyone should have been the first read or whatever. The same called play can change in a number of different ways at the line depending on what the QB presnap reads.
on the Rainey play people keep saying it was a fade. It certainly was not. It was a play designed to get a shifty RB out wide singled up on a LB or safety. More than likely the RB had the option to break it in or out depending on how the defender plays it. Rainey makes a great inside fake and blows by the safety to the outside. Eli rushed the pass and it was underthrown allowing the safety to recover. Rainey then compounds the mistake by jumping to catch the ball in his body instead of using his body to shield the recovering defender and catching it with his hands. He probably knew he got enough seperation on his cut where he could catch it clean so that was in his mind and didnt adjust that thinking when he turned and saw it was underthrown. Split second decision.
Ideally thats a play for Vereen. With Vereen and jennings hurt Rainey is the backup 3rd down/receiving back.
you can criticize the outcome and execution of those plays but the design and the logic is sound,
I would figure out how to get ODB the ball period. He is our most sure handed receiver. He draws more penalties. He can beat a double team underneath. Last year he did not play. He is a huge difference maker and big worry for any defense even the mighty Vikings.
Every defense has a plan. As Mike Tyson once said " everyone has a strategy until they get punched in the mouth". ODB is a our big punch.
Nitpicky, I know, but it's OBJ. ODB doesn't make sense, it doesn't work with his name, it's not his initials, and he doesn't even go by that on a personal level.
Nitpicky, I know, but it's OBJ. ODB doesn't make sense, it doesn't work with his name, it's not his initials, and he doesn't even go by that on a personal level.
Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
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Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
Like I said, Eli is too smart and too trusting.
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Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
If you don't trust him to catch the ball then he shouldn't be on the field. That route is very similar to similar passes he has thrown to Donnell if not the same. Again, it was a hot read, so he was throwing it because of the blitz, so the option was throw to Tye or throw it away.
Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
I remember you being a Tye fan last year. You wonder because of the effort if he would be used less in the red zone or if Eli will be reluctant to look towards him. You are right in the sense that he isnt like randle and giving up on a play, it just really sucks seeing ANYONE doing it. He may not be talented like some of our WRs, but effort should equal those of the others.
Lets all agree lets hope Tye catches a big TD this week that leads us to victory.
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Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
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two of his WRs were.
Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
And your right that the others were open. But, I am jsut sharing my opinion. And you may not believe me, but I am a pretty truthful guy. When I saw the formation at the game (I was with my dad), I saw the safety starting to cheat towards Eli's right. I said to him, this is going to Tye, he has the mismatch. And when the ball was lobbed, from my vantage point it looked like it was an easy catch (granted I was in the 3rd level) and when I saw the ball picked I was like WTF happened?
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
That's fucked up. 7 yards downfield just to the right two guys open.
Also, the hot read is supposed to be a shorter route that you use when you are anticipating pressure. It looked like Tye ran the deepest route of any eligible on the field
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
yeah I believe you. It was your perspective.
No, it's not. Not even a little bit.
OBJ, Cruz
Like he did vs Saints
100% agree...he had inside leverage and if just continued his route he uses his body and catches the TD...it wasnt a badly thrown ball AT ALL. it was all on tye and id argue with anyone that most TEs would catch that for 6
You don't throw tye open - you throw prime nicks open, plax open, obj open.
Especially in the red zone.
Bottom line is we still were in position to win the game as most games
Come down to the 4th quarter nowadays and Eli through the game ender
So we move on and hope that it doesn't become a pattern this year but I
Expect them to bounce back this week and beat what will be an overconfident Minnesota team who probably believe they have our number
I expect big numbers from OBJ ....... now we have to wait until Monday night that sucks !
Agreed
The Giants loss that game because below average or average NFL players make the kind of mistakes that lost them the game.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
This. Been saying this. Been getting killed for saying this.
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
You do realize its been proven that the ball hit rainey right in his gut, right? It was only after he failed to secure that the defender had any chance to make an INT.
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
I disagree with this 100%. If the ball was thrown a half yard further, your right its probably an easier catch. However.... he is throwing the ball into a small window with 3 defenders (back line, side line, and defender) that he has to put it into a spot where the offensive player can make a play.
The only reason why the defender was able to make a play was due to the fact that Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. Rainey tried to do it all in one motion and that half a second letting the ball get to him let the defender close the gap.
Thats why you are ALWAYS taught to catch the ball at its highest point. I had this discussion last year on a play Randle failed to make against Dallas that he let the ball get to him and the defender was able to make a play. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
I feel like Bruce Willis on The Sixth Sense...am I dead here, is anyone reading this....?
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
If the HC thinks Rainey can do it, then who are you to question him. He was put onto the field by the coach and told to the run pattern by the coach. If he cant do it, blame the coach for putting him in that position. But as long as he is on the field, he is expected to do what is ask of him or else he wouldnt be in that position in the first place.
Shouldnt Eli know that Will Tye sucks?
Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
More of a McAdoo question.. not Eli.
Ya its one mistake have to give the kid a chance... i still put this one on Eli anyway *ducks*.
I think you've just offended Henry Hynoski
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Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
More of a McAdoo question.. not Eli.
I can agree with that. My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
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My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
I would have to watch the replay, but it looks like a safety was out there to guard him. You bring out a WR, they may bring in another corner. Plus Rainey had him beat. The ball was a little underthrown, but he was clearly open.
Again, I cant stress this enough. The play was successful in getting a guy wide open. Whether its a poor throw, giving up on a route, a dropped pass - theres always these small mistakes that are KILLING us. And no escapes blame. That includes our best players like Eli and OBJ and some of the bottom roster guys like Tye, Rainey, etc. Its got to be cleaned up.
on the Rainey play people keep saying it was a fade. It certainly was not. It was a play designed to get a shifty RB out wide singled up on a LB or safety. More than likely the RB had the option to break it in or out depending on how the defender plays it. Rainey makes a great inside fake and blows by the safety to the outside. Eli rushed the pass and it was underthrown allowing the safety to recover. Rainey then compounds the mistake by jumping to catch the ball in his body instead of using his body to shield the recovering defender and catching it with his hands. He probably knew he got enough seperation on his cut where he could catch it clean so that was in his mind and didnt adjust that thinking when he turned and saw it was underthrown. Split second decision.
Ideally thats a play for Vereen. With Vereen and jennings hurt Rainey is the backup 3rd down/receiving back.
you can criticize the outcome and execution of those plays but the design and the logic is sound,
Every defense has a plan. As Mike Tyson once said " everyone has a strategy until they get punched in the mouth". ODB is a our big punch.
Relax or take a pill