Eli, McAdoo and Sullivan need to engineer their plays to make sure OBJ, SS and Cruz are progressions 1,2 and 3. All-in-all, nothing fundamentally wrong with that statement.
Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
But I'd expect to hear him say this regardless of what he was actually going to do. I do think we need to force it to OBJ more because it's painfully obvious no CB In this league can cover him without a lot of help. We have one of the absolute premier weapons in this league. Utilize it.
Roethlisberger forces the ball to Brown all the time.. Winston forces it to Evans. We have better alternative options than a lot of teams but no one can stop Beckham. The way the rules are nowadays, he can literally get open on any DB.
He has shown last year that he is a viable passing target. He's a 2nd year kid from Stony Brook, and made a similar mistake to the one Sterling Shepard made just recently. Like SS, I think Tye will move on and learn from his mistake. It's not like this a repeated issue for Tye giving up on routes, like he's Reuben Randle.
He's making the right football plays but he definitely can look to his outside guys more even when the coverages are designed to stop those routes. Even bracketing Beckham isn't enough to prevent him from getting open in a lot of cases.. he's lethal on quick slants, there's just no possible way to cover him. If you don't completely jam him, you're toast.. and if you try jamming him and he bounces around you, you're completely fucked.
Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
If you don't trust him to catch the ball then he shouldn't be on the field. That route is very similar to similar passes he has thrown to Donnell if not the same. Again, it was a hot read, so he was throwing it because of the blitz, so the option was throw to Tye or throw it away.
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
He has shown last year that he is a viable passing target. He's a 2nd year kid from Stony Brook, and made a similar mistake to the one Sterling Shepard made just recently. Like SS, I think Tye will move on and learn from his mistake. It's not like this a repeated issue for Tye giving up on routes, like he's Reuben Randle.
I remember you being a Tye fan last year. You wonder because of the effort if he would be used less in the red zone or if Eli will be reluctant to look towards him. You are right in the sense that he isnt like randle and giving up on a play, it just really sucks seeing ANYONE doing it. He may not be talented like some of our WRs, but effort should equal those of the others.
Lets all agree lets hope Tye catches a big TD this week that leads us to victory.
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
And your right that the others were open. But, I am jsut sharing my opinion. And you may not believe me, but I am a pretty truthful guy. When I saw the formation at the game (I was with my dad), I saw the safety starting to cheat towards Eli's right. I said to him, this is going to Tye, he has the mismatch. And when the ball was lobbed, from my vantage point it looked like it was an easy catch (granted I was in the 3rd level) and when I saw the ball picked I was like WTF happened?
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
In the post game conference both the coach and Eli said Tye was the hot read on the play. So, he didn't choose Tye over the other WR's. It was a pass to Tye or a throw away.
In the post game conference both the coach and Eli said Tye was the hot read on the play. So, he didn't choose Tye over the other WR's. It was a pass to Tye or a throw away.
That's fucked up. 7 yards downfield just to the right two guys open.
Also, the hot read is supposed to be a shorter route that you use when you are anticipating pressure. It looked like Tye ran the deepest route of any eligible on the field
And you may not believe me, but I am a pretty truthful guy. When I saw the formation at the game (I was with my dad), I saw the safety starting to cheat towards Eli's right. I said to him, this is going to Tye, he has the mismatch. And when the ball was lobbed, from my vantage point it looked like it was an easy catch (granted I was in the 3rd level) and when I saw the ball picked I was like WTF happened?
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
100% agree...he had inside leverage and if just continued his route he uses his body and catches the TD...it wasnt a badly thrown ball AT ALL. it was all on tye and id argue with anyone that most TEs would catch that for 6
Tye and mismatch should never be used together.
You don't throw tye open - you throw prime nicks open, plax open, obj open.
Especially in the red zone.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
You do realize its been proven that the ball hit rainey right in his gut, right? It was only after he failed to secure that the defender had any chance to make an INT.
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
I disagree with this 100%. If the ball was thrown a half yard further, your right its probably an easier catch. However.... he is throwing the ball into a small window with 3 defenders (back line, side line, and defender) that he has to put it into a spot where the offensive player can make a play.
The only reason why the defender was able to make a play was due to the fact that Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. Rainey tried to do it all in one motion and that half a second letting the ball get to him let the defender close the gap.
Thats why you are ALWAYS taught to catch the ball at its highest point. I had this discussion last year on a play Randle failed to make against Dallas that he let the ball get to him and the defender was able to make a play. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
Roethlisberger forces the ball to Brown all the time.. Winston forces it to Evans. We have better alternative options than a lot of teams but no one can stop Beckham. The way the rules are nowadays, he can literally get open on any DB.
Agreed. If he is going to force it to anybody, then force it OBJ and Shepard first and then everybody else last.
If he has the ability and time to decide his forces....
Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
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Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
Like I said, Eli is too smart and too trusting.
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Were thrown to 80% of the TE's, in this league, it's a TD, & non issue. He had the inside lane, period.
Except he is will tye- not the other 80 percent
So one would actually expect he does not make the play... Because it's will fcking tye
And we have a top 3 wr in football- a stud rookie- and a savy vet number 3. The fact a play in the red zone is called or run where we are happy to see will tye isolated is a bad fcking play and a dumb throw. Period.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
If you don't trust him to catch the ball then he shouldn't be on the field. That route is very similar to similar passes he has thrown to Donnell if not the same. Again, it was a hot read, so he was throwing it because of the blitz, so the option was throw to Tye or throw it away.
Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
I remember you being a Tye fan last year. You wonder because of the effort if he would be used less in the red zone or if Eli will be reluctant to look towards him. You are right in the sense that he isnt like randle and giving up on a play, it just really sucks seeing ANYONE doing it. He may not be talented like some of our WRs, but effort should equal those of the others.
Lets all agree lets hope Tye catches a big TD this week that leads us to victory.
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two of his WRs were.
Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
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two of his WRs were.
Maybe Tye was open before the snap....maybe
See this is where I think people are wrong. He is not open in the snese that the defender isnt around, but he had the defender on his back and a bit of an inside edge. He has the size and weight mismatch that they wanted. Hence why the jump ball. One would think Tye would use his size to gain the advantage. He didnt and we saw the outcome.
No doubt... Tye fucked that up. 100%. Still, he was not open and you are expecting a backup quality TE to win a battle while covered. He is not Shockey. Shit, he is not even Kevin Boss. Meanwhile, we had TWO of our top WRs open with at least a few yards of separation on the same play. That is where the ball should have gone.
And your right that the others were open. But, I am jsut sharing my opinion. And you may not believe me, but I am a pretty truthful guy. When I saw the formation at the game (I was with my dad), I saw the safety starting to cheat towards Eli's right. I said to him, this is going to Tye, he has the mismatch. And when the ball was lobbed, from my vantage point it looked like it was an easy catch (granted I was in the 3rd level) and when I saw the ball picked I was like WTF happened?
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
That's fucked up. 7 yards downfield just to the right two guys open.
Also, the hot read is supposed to be a shorter route that you use when you are anticipating pressure. It looked like Tye ran the deepest route of any eligible on the field
Then they showed the replay and everyone started screaming why did he stop running. So basically Eli knew where he was going even before the snap went off. Hence probably why he didnt see the other two guys open.
I could be wrong, just throwing a perspective out there.
yeah I believe you. It was your perspective.
No, it's not. Not even a little bit.
OBJ, Cruz
Like he did vs Saints
100% agree...he had inside leverage and if just continued his route he uses his body and catches the TD...it wasnt a badly thrown ball AT ALL. it was all on tye and id argue with anyone that most TEs would catch that for 6
You don't throw tye open - you throw prime nicks open, plax open, obj open.
Especially in the red zone.
Bottom line is we still were in position to win the game as most games
Come down to the 4th quarter nowadays and Eli through the game ender
So we move on and hope that it doesn't become a pattern this year but I
Expect them to bounce back this week and beat what will be an overconfident Minnesota team who probably believe they have our number
I expect big numbers from OBJ ....... now we have to wait until Monday night that sucks !
Agreed
The Giants loss that game because below average or average NFL players make the kind of mistakes that lost them the game.
And we should be force feeding beckham all day until they stop him or adjust- he's a deadly weapon use it and stop out thinking ourselves-
This. Been saying this. Been getting killed for saying this.
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
What fucking game did you watch??? Thanks to the refs not wanting to overturn shit it should have been an INT, the defender was all over him. Eli should read this thread maybe he'll know not to throw a fade at the goal line to his 5'9 running back. How was he wide open again??
You do realize its been proven that the ball hit rainey right in his gut, right? It was only after he failed to secure that the defender had any chance to make an INT.
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
I disagree with this 100%. If the ball was thrown a half yard further, your right its probably an easier catch. However.... he is throwing the ball into a small window with 3 defenders (back line, side line, and defender) that he has to put it into a spot where the offensive player can make a play.
The only reason why the defender was able to make a play was due to the fact that Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. Rainey tried to do it all in one motion and that half a second letting the ball get to him let the defender close the gap.
Thats why you are ALWAYS taught to catch the ball at its highest point. I had this discussion last year on a play Randle failed to make against Dallas that he let the ball get to him and the defender was able to make a play. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.