It wasn't a choice of who to throw to on that play...Both the Coach and Eli said Tye was the hot read because of the blitz. SO, it was throw it away or to Tye. there was not choice...
I feel like Bruce Willis on The Sixth Sense...am I dead here, is anyone reading this....?
When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
If the HC thinks Rainey can do it, then who are you to question him. He was put onto the field by the coach and told to the run pattern by the coach. If he cant do it, blame the coach for putting him in that position. But as long as he is on the field, he is expected to do what is ask of him or else he wouldnt be in that position in the first place.
Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
He has shown last year that he is a viable passing target. He's a 2nd year kid from Stony Brook, and made a similar mistake to the one Sterling Shepard made just recently. Like SS, I think Tye will move on and learn from his mistake. It's not like this a repeated issue for Tye giving up on routes, like he's Reuben Randle.
Ya its one mistake have to give the kid a chance... i still put this one on Eli anyway *ducks*.
Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
More of a McAdoo question.. not Eli.
I can agree with that. My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
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My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
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My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
I would have to watch the replay, but it looks like a safety was out there to guard him. You bring out a WR, they may bring in another corner. Plus Rainey had him beat. The ball was a little underthrown, but he was clearly open.
Again, I cant stress this enough. The play was successful in getting a guy wide open. Whether its a poor throw, giving up on a route, a dropped pass - theres always these small mistakes that are KILLING us. And no escapes blame. That includes our best players like Eli and OBJ and some of the bottom roster guys like Tye, Rainey, etc. Its got to be cleaned up.
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As Jorthman keeps pointing out it was a hot route on a blitz play. There is no progression to go through. The QB and the receivers know depending on where the blitz comes from you are the hot and you should know the ball is coming to you and only you. Tye made a mistake and didnt realize the blitz and that he was the hot man. In most of those situations the QB is throwing to a spot even before the receiver makes his break. Thats all on Tye. Its a bang bang play and theres no progression to read thru any other WRs. Its way too simplistic to say that anyone should have been the first read or whatever. The same called play can change in a number of different ways at the line depending on what the QB presnap reads.
on the Rainey play people keep saying it was a fade. It certainly was not. It was a play designed to get a shifty RB out wide singled up on a LB or safety. More than likely the RB had the option to break it in or out depending on how the defender plays it. Rainey makes a great inside fake and blows by the safety to the outside. Eli rushed the pass and it was underthrown allowing the safety to recover. Rainey then compounds the mistake by jumping to catch the ball in his body instead of using his body to shield the recovering defender and catching it with his hands. He probably knew he got enough seperation on his cut where he could catch it clean so that was in his mind and didnt adjust that thinking when he turned and saw it was underthrown. Split second decision.
Ideally thats a play for Vereen. With Vereen and jennings hurt Rainey is the backup 3rd down/receiving back.
you can criticize the outcome and execution of those plays but the design and the logic is sound,
I would figure out how to get ODB the ball period. He is our most sure handed receiver. He draws more penalties. He can beat a double team underneath. Last year he did not play. He is a huge difference maker and big worry for any defense even the mighty Vikings.
Every defense has a plan. As Mike Tyson once said " everyone has a strategy until they get punched in the mouth". ODB is a our big punch.
Nitpicky, I know, but it's OBJ. ODB doesn't make sense, it doesn't work with his name, it's not his initials, and he doesn't even go by that on a personal level.
Nitpicky, I know, but it's OBJ. ODB doesn't make sense, it doesn't work with his name, it's not his initials, and he doesn't even go by that on a personal level.
I feel like Bruce Willis on The Sixth Sense...am I dead here, is anyone reading this....?
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When he threw a jump ball on a fade to Bobby fuckig Rainey?
A wide open player who let the ball hit him right in the chest?
Dep, he probably should have found a way to hold onto that ball. If you have two hands on it, then you need to catch it. However, it was ALSO underthrown which allowed the defender to get back into the play. So, Eli's initial read and decision to go to Rainey was sound. However, execution by both the QB and the RB resulted in the INT.
The guy makes a living running the ball, returning kicks. And catching swing passes. That would have been one heck of a catch over a bugger defender with little real estate room. And it was not ruled an INT. Even if Rainey is)was open you can't throw a jump ball to a 5'9 running back. Makes no sense.
If the HC thinks Rainey can do it, then who are you to question him. He was put onto the field by the coach and told to the run pattern by the coach. If he cant do it, blame the coach for putting him in that position. But as long as he is on the field, he is expected to do what is ask of him or else he wouldnt be in that position in the first place.
Shouldnt Eli know that Will Tye sucks?
Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
More of a McAdoo question.. not Eli.
Ya its one mistake have to give the kid a chance... i still put this one on Eli anyway *ducks*.
I think you've just offended Henry Hynoski
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Rainey played the ball the wrong way. As a receiver, that is a hands catch. You are not trying to cradle it from the get go. You need to catch first, then secure. You need to use your hands to make a catch, not your belly.
Agree with this 100%. Too many guys in the NFL still do not catch with their hands or grab it at its highest point.
Plaxico knew how to do that. He would snatch the ball out of the air with his hands.
So, (and this is not on Eli) why are we designing fade route plays in the corner of the end zone with the shortest eligible on the field and with a guy who is not even reaching up with his hands to catch the ball? Considering his height and the three defenders you referenced that ball would need to drop in at a very difficult angle.
More of a McAdoo question.. not Eli.
I can agree with that. My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
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My question is was Rainey used because Jenkins was out, Vereen was obviously hurt, and Darkwa is a worse threat? If the play calls for your RB to run the route, it may have been Rainey was the best choice. And again, this has to be stressed more. In order for us to make the playoffs - Rainey, Darkwa, Tye, Donnell, etc.... are going to have to make big plays for us. Look back at 2007 when guys like Bradshaw, Boss, Tyree were making HUGE plays for us. In 2011, a guy named Cruz came out of nowhere (not saying any of these guys are as good as cruz), Ballard, Pascoe, Ware were all contributors to the offense.
These guys will be given opportunities and Eli will throw them the ball. If we are going to be good, they have to make plays as well.
Poor play design then if you want your RB to make a catch like that in the corner of the end zone. We did not even get into the footwork you need if the pass is close to the sideline. We have some tall WRs. Throw King out there.. he can do it and he is tall enough. WTF do we have WRs for?
I would have to watch the replay, but it looks like a safety was out there to guard him. You bring out a WR, they may bring in another corner. Plus Rainey had him beat. The ball was a little underthrown, but he was clearly open.
Again, I cant stress this enough. The play was successful in getting a guy wide open. Whether its a poor throw, giving up on a route, a dropped pass - theres always these small mistakes that are KILLING us. And no escapes blame. That includes our best players like Eli and OBJ and some of the bottom roster guys like Tye, Rainey, etc. Its got to be cleaned up.
on the Rainey play people keep saying it was a fade. It certainly was not. It was a play designed to get a shifty RB out wide singled up on a LB or safety. More than likely the RB had the option to break it in or out depending on how the defender plays it. Rainey makes a great inside fake and blows by the safety to the outside. Eli rushed the pass and it was underthrown allowing the safety to recover. Rainey then compounds the mistake by jumping to catch the ball in his body instead of using his body to shield the recovering defender and catching it with his hands. He probably knew he got enough seperation on his cut where he could catch it clean so that was in his mind and didnt adjust that thinking when he turned and saw it was underthrown. Split second decision.
Ideally thats a play for Vereen. With Vereen and jennings hurt Rainey is the backup 3rd down/receiving back.
you can criticize the outcome and execution of those plays but the design and the logic is sound,
Every defense has a plan. As Mike Tyson once said " everyone has a strategy until they get punched in the mouth". ODB is a our big punch.
Relax or take a pill