You can't compare players from today and 30 years ago based on statistics.
Yup. Different Os, different mindsets. For example, those who haven't a CLUE about how very good Joe Namath was, will always cite his stats, to wit: Around 49% lifetime completion percentage..He never dinked and dunked save for the OCCASIONAL screen or flare to Snell or Boozer, he was a 15-20 yard(or more) downfield passer which obviously is going to result in a lot of INTs career-wise, but he made big plays, clutch plays and 3rd and long was no great challenge to him..
I "hated" Namath and the Jets, but as Allie Sherman told Bill Mazer when talking about Namath, "what an arm" and in those days you never said anything nice about anything AFL..Namath could have been my QB anytime..His stats DID NOT tell you the accurate story..You had to see this guy play in order to realize how good he was imv
of the last 30 years most remind people of Eli? In terms of arm strength, throwing ability, mobility, W-L, etc....all of that....you always hear young QB's compared to current/former players..."oh he's like Brett Favre, or he's like Russell Wilson", etc......I really drew a blank, and I don't think I've ever heard a comparison....
You can't compare players from today and 30 years ago based on statistics.
Yup. Different Os, different mindsets. For example, those who haven't a CLUE about how very good Joe Namath was, will always cite his stats, to wit: Around 49% lifetime completion percentage..He never dinked and dunked save for the OCCASIONAL screen or flare to Snell or Boozer, he was a 15-20 yard(or more) downfield passer which obviously is going to result in a lot of INTs career-wise, but he made big plays, clutch plays and 3rd and long was no great challenge to him..
I "hated" Namath and the Jets, but as Allie Sherman told Bill Mazer when talking about Namath, "what an arm" and in those days you never said anything nice about anything AFL..Namath could have been my QB anytime..His stats DID NOT tell you the accurate story..You had to see this guy play in order to realize how good he was imv
I would agree with you in theory, but not with Namath. Darryl Lamonica (The Mad Bomber) had stats that blow Namath away and he was a similar type QB. The only reason why Namath is in the HOF is because of his flamboyant lifestyle kept him in the news. That and he predicted his team would upset the Colts. Like he was going to guarantee a loss?
You can't compare players from today and 30 years ago based on statistics.
Sorta. You can't do a straight up comparison, but you can compare how the players did among their peers at the time and compare that to how the players did among their peers today.
Using that comparison, I believe Joe Namath comes out a lot better, as will Eli when it's all said and done.
It's funny to me how they keep saying Eli isn't as good as (Insert flavor of the year here). Eli has outlasted many of them, and many of the others don't have 2 superbowls, let alone 2 superbowl MVPs. History will look more favorably on him in the future.
of the last 30 years most remind people of Eli? In terms of arm strength, throwing ability, mobility, W-L, etc....all of that....you always hear young QB's compared to current/former players..."oh he's like Brett Favre, or he's like Russell Wilson", etc......I really drew a blank, and I don't think I've ever heard a comparison....
I would say Peyton. Not the strongest arm. Limited mobility. Beats you with his ability to read defenses.
Couldn't disagree with you more. I presented the facts Â
Eli has the stats and will have even better stats in 3-4-5 years...hopefully longer.
To me it comes down to Eli winning more games than he loses these next 3-4-5 seasons. I'd like to see him back in the postseason two-three times before all is said and done and we want to then get into HOF talk.
If you don't think the voters are very much on the fence about Eli's HOF chances you're in for a rude awakening. I've heard voters say or write they aren't sure they'd vote Eli in.
He is 10th all time in yards passing, and 8th all time in TD passes. He will move up in both those cats soon. Will pass Elway for 7th in TDs with 3 more and will move up to 8th in yards (passing Tark) by years end. Probably move into 6th all time in yards by the end of next year.
that Dan Marino in today's NFL, armed with a Julio Jones or Megatron, would own every single passing record known to man.
In other words, even in the fairly short jump from when he retired, QB stats must be viewed in context.
Eli Manning and the Giants need to get back in the playoffs. It's conceivable, given his age and how mediocre his team is (coupled with the fact that they can't beat their biggest division rival in key games), that he doesn't see the post-season again. That'd be disappointing for us and his "legacy", which is already cemented as rather good, but has room to improve.
Eli's resume stands up with any QB to ever play and hopefully he will be adding to it for many seasons to come.
Yup. Different Os, different mindsets. For example, those who haven't a CLUE about how very good Joe Namath was, will always cite his stats, to wit: Around 49% lifetime completion percentage..He never dinked and dunked save for the OCCASIONAL screen or flare to Snell or Boozer, he was a 15-20 yard(or more) downfield passer which obviously is going to result in a lot of INTs career-wise, but he made big plays, clutch plays and 3rd and long was no great challenge to him..
I "hated" Namath and the Jets, but as Allie Sherman told Bill Mazer when talking about Namath, "what an arm" and in those days you never said anything nice about anything AFL..Namath could have been my QB anytime..His stats DID NOT tell you the accurate story..You had to see this guy play in order to realize how good he was imv
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You can't compare players from today and 30 years ago based on statistics.
Yup. Different Os, different mindsets. For example, those who haven't a CLUE about how very good Joe Namath was, will always cite his stats, to wit: Around 49% lifetime completion percentage..He never dinked and dunked save for the OCCASIONAL screen or flare to Snell or Boozer, he was a 15-20 yard(or more) downfield passer which obviously is going to result in a lot of INTs career-wise, but he made big plays, clutch plays and 3rd and long was no great challenge to him..
I "hated" Namath and the Jets, but as Allie Sherman told Bill Mazer when talking about Namath, "what an arm" and in those days you never said anything nice about anything AFL..Namath could have been my QB anytime..His stats DID NOT tell you the accurate story..You had to see this guy play in order to realize how good he was imv
I would agree with you in theory, but not with Namath. Darryl Lamonica (The Mad Bomber) had stats that blow Namath away and he was a similar type QB. The only reason why Namath is in the HOF is because of his flamboyant lifestyle kept him in the news. That and he predicted his team would upset the Colts. Like he was going to guarantee a loss?
Sorta. You can't do a straight up comparison, but you can compare how the players did among their peers at the time and compare that to how the players did among their peers today.
Using that comparison, I believe Joe Namath comes out a lot better, as will Eli when it's all said and done.
It's funny to me how they keep saying Eli isn't as good as (Insert flavor of the year here). Eli has outlasted many of them, and many of the others don't have 2 superbowls, let alone 2 superbowl MVPs. History will look more favorably on him in the future.
I would say Peyton. Not the strongest arm. Limited mobility. Beats you with his ability to read defenses.
To me it comes down to Eli winning more games than he loses these next 3-4-5 seasons. I'd like to see him back in the postseason two-three times before all is said and done and we want to then get into HOF talk.
If you don't think the voters are very much on the fence about Eli's HOF chances you're in for a rude awakening. I've heard voters say or write they aren't sure they'd vote Eli in.
In other words, even in the fairly short jump from when he retired, QB stats must be viewed in context.
Eli Manning and the Giants need to get back in the playoffs. It's conceivable, given his age and how mediocre his team is (coupled with the fact that they can't beat their biggest division rival in key games), that he doesn't see the post-season again. That'd be disappointing for us and his "legacy", which is already cemented as rather good, but has room to improve.
Simms - 1 Lombardi
Hostetler - 1 Lombardi
- Manning wins. Hoss and Simms had LT
Simms - 1 Lombardi
Hostetler - 1 Lombardi
- Manning wins. Hoss and Simms had LT
Technically Simms - 2 Lombardi's. So they must be tied.