imho..
I've been at this Giants thing for 60 years now, so I've seen popular Giants come and go..Gifford, Tittle, Spider, Harry, Bavaro, LT, Simms and so on..
I don't believe, in all this time, I've ever seen a Giants' player comport himself as well as Eli has on and off the field, combined with championship caliber, clutch-like talent..I was a little too young (believe it or not) to have lived through the Charlie Conerly early years abuse and of course the 24/7 media was 35-40 years from making an impact at that point in time..
Today's media from all angles is completely out of control imv and yet Eli, a 'Nawlins and 'Ol Miss boy, has handled his time here with as much aplomb as any one ever has in this pressure-filled metropolis-the media capital of the world..Derek Jeter did as well..
I'm still holding to Eli playing well until he's 40 (Yes, I believe he'll eventually end up in Canton) and possibly beyond, but if it's not to be, I will appreciate what he has done for as long as I have left on this planet..
Think Favre --> Rodgers, or Montana --> Young.
off the field, he doesn't compare to Eli in terms of being a squeaky clean ambassador. he had drug issues and was not a good role model. and he certainly faded in his last few years in the league.
but man, watching him terrorize opposing QBs was a thing of beauty.
in all likelihood, it's going to be hard finding another franchise QB.
But, if we get lucky and find one on the first try, Eli will be remembered, but not missed.
the asshole in me says it won't be that hard to find a QB to lead us to missing the playoffs 4 straight years.
I think he's a good QB, but I don't think he's a HOF. He's not part of the problem, but he's also not a big part of the solution.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
I'm very convinced he would've been an absolute lock for the Hall (if he isn't already) under an OC that ran the west coast offense. I'm not complaining one bit as we won two Super Bowls... but just speaking from a statistical perspective, his numbers could've been right up there in the top 5. Sucks we'll have to settle for top 10 :)
I'm very convinced he would've been an absolute lock for the Hall (if he isn't already) under an OC that ran the west coast offense. I'm not complaining one bit as we won two Super Bowls... but just speaking from a statistical perspective, his numbers could've been right up there in the top 5. Sucks we'll have to settle for top 10 :)
not just WCO, but just a less complicated offense generally.
I fully agree that of the Giants players I've watch, factoring on and off the field, Eli is #1. I also hope to see play well until at least he's 40. Given the rule changes and better conditioning, he should be able meet that goal.
I hope a 2020 CBA related strike / short season isn't a reason to drive Eli to retire.
We've played the "What will Peyton do?" when he's retired. I really don't have any idea what Eli will do? Too low key for a media job?
I'm very convinced he would've been an absolute lock for the Hall (if he isn't already) under an OC that ran the west coast offense. I'm not complaining one bit as we won two Super Bowls... but just speaking from a statistical perspective, his numbers could've been right up there in the top 5. Sucks we'll have to settle for top 10 :)
This bothers me a bit, too. Last week's game notwithstanding, Eli's looked fantastic orchestrating this offense from day one. Hopefully he gets one more shot at the title at the helm of this system, with these weapons.
Let's see who we get at QB next. You may be right, but its not for sure.
The system didn't work because the offensive line turned to complete shit.
When the offensive line could pass block, the system was fine. It featured a lot of down the field passing, which was a problem with an awful line.
2011 is the best season Eli ever has and ever will play, under that system. Don't care about his stats being better in a different year, the run game was atrocious that year and the passing attack put the team on their back to a title.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
I couldn't agree with this post more. All of it.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
Very well stated Terps..
Let's see who we get at QB next. You may be right, but its not for sure.
Favre was a complete dick when he left and even if the next QB in waiting is on the roster at that time, I just can't see Eli acting like that.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
Listen Terps. You consistently make better posts than I do and I'm fucking sick of it! Bastid!
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LT was a better player, but no one in the past 30 years (and probably ever) had a more direct hand in delivering titles to the Giants. He's the author of maybe the greatest, most clutch play in history and his performance for a 2011 team that otherwise sucked was heroic.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
Listen Terps. You consistently make better posts than I do and I'm fucking sick of it! Bastid!
The 2011 defense was mediocre at best for most of the season, I can't but wonder if Eli's performance that year in the end inspired them to greater a greater level.
I hope the ending is positive and like when the Giants ended it with Simms.
Let's see who we get at QB next. You may be right, but its not for sure.
I think when it's all said and done, Favre will still hold the honor.
I tend to agree with you, but if it's a peyton --> luck, favre --> rodgers, brees --> rivers scenario then might be seamless.
Odds are against the seamless scenario though.
I feel bad for Tiki. I've forgiven him.
Yeah, Young replaced Montana and delivered a championship, but you ask a long time 49er's fan who they miss the most and I guarantee it's Montana hands down and not even close.
As of right now, Rodgers has be be behind Favre, as well.
Peyton, Luck? Big picture, people.
Love Eli but no Giant will ever top LT.
Yeah, Young replaced Montana and delivered a championship, but you ask a long time 49er's fan who they miss the most and I guarantee it's Montana hands down and not even close.
As of right now, Rodgers has be be behind Favre, as well.
Peyton, Luck? Big picture, people.
I think the key to the next starter thing is this. We most likely will not have a QB as good as Eli next. We would need someone who can also be a top QB in the league. If we end up with a guy who plays like Mark Sanchez... then we are REALLY going to miss Eli!
Yeah, Young replaced Montana and delivered a championship, but you ask a long time 49er's fan who they miss the most and I guarantee it's Montana hands down and not even close.
As of right now, Rodgers has be be behind Favre, as well.
Peyton, Luck? Big picture, people.
I guess it's a personal thing. I don't think the next QB has to win two SB's in edge of your seat fashion to not miss Eli.
I think he just needs to perform at a consistently high level (eventually if he's a rookie).
It's a team game I'd never put it all on the QB, just like I don't put the past 4 seasons of mediocre to poor play and poor results solely on Eli.
It seems like those people in the no matter what we'll miss Eli camp give him credit for the SB's but no blame for the non SB seasons.
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Unless the "next starter" delivers two championships in edge of your seat fashion (highly unlikely), Eli will be missed.
Yeah, Young replaced Montana and delivered a championship, but you ask a long time 49er's fan who they miss the most and I guarantee it's Montana hands down and not even close.
As of right now, Rodgers has be be behind Favre, as well.
Peyton, Luck? Big picture, people.
I guess it's a personal thing. I don't think the next QB has to win two SB's in edge of your seat fashion to not miss Eli.
I think he just needs to perform at a consistently high level (eventually if he's a rookie).
It's a team game I'd never put it all on the QB, just like I don't put the past 4 seasons of mediocre to poor play and poor results solely on Eli.
It seems like those people in the no matter what we'll miss Eli camp give him credit for the SB's but no blame for the non SB seasons.
We're not talking about just succeeding him, we're talking about most missed Giant, ever.
Unless another player delivers two memorable, all time, runs like Eli did, he'll be a hard act to follow.
I think what BB56 is saying, if he doesn't mind me speaking for him, is that Eli is an "all timer".
Please go the fuck away and take the dunce and fkap with you...
Love Eli but no Giant will ever top LT.
I love Eli, but I have to agree. I saw LT's career from day 1 until the end. There will never be another LT. Greatest defensive player in the history of the NFL.
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Unless the "next starter" delivers two championships in edge of your seat fashion (highly unlikely), Eli will be missed.
Yeah, Young replaced Montana and delivered a championship, but you ask a long time 49er's fan who they miss the most and I guarantee it's Montana hands down and not even close.
As of right now, Rodgers has be be behind Favre, as well.
Peyton, Luck? Big picture, people.
I guess it's a personal thing. I don't think the next QB has to win two SB's in edge of your seat fashion to not miss Eli.
I think he just needs to perform at a consistently high level (eventually if he's a rookie).
It's a team game I'd never put it all on the QB, just like I don't put the past 4 seasons of mediocre to poor play and poor results solely on Eli.
It seems like those people in the no matter what we'll miss Eli camp give him credit for the SB's but no blame for the non SB seasons.
We're not talking about just succeeding him, we're talking about most missed Giant, ever.
Unless another player delivers two memorable, all time, runs like Eli did, he'll be a hard act to follow.
I think what BB56 is saying, if he doesn't mind me speaking for him, is that Eli is an "all timer".
I can't argue with that. I think Eli will be missed more than just for his on-field success, but also his representation of the franchise.
I just feel like, for me, if the next QB is good I won't miss Eli that much despite the SB's. Obviously I hope the next QB has the same success, but it doesn't need to be dramatic or anything.
And I don't think Packers fans feel like Rodgers vs Favre is a debate in Favre's favor per se if they even have the debate, I think they feel fortunate they were able to go from one to the other with a prolonged period of QB ineptitude like MIA, BUF, NYJ, CLE or teams like that.
OBJ the bait when the day comes? If it's an Andrew Luck, no doubt IMO.
The day Eli retires, I'll be locked in a dark room by myself, with a bottle of whiskey and depressing music on.
Love Eli but no Giant will ever top LT.
+1
It's not even close IMO.
We need to get a qb soon and be ready for that day when Eli isn't here.
On the field, never misses games, a winner and steady rock that can win any game and has proved it....we must get lucky or will have some ugly down years.
Off the field, might be nearly impossible to replace. ....he is the ideal. A great role model, a good guy, tons of charity work, no off field issues.....
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
I don't think two great well timed but brief stretches qualify someone for greatness, regardless of the importance of the position (QB).
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
The 2011 Giants didn't "otherwise suck" in any way, shape or form. The defense and OL were very banged up for much of the season, then strangely (for the NFL) got healthier down the stretch. We had Cruz and Nicks, Bradshaw, the Snee/Seubert/Diehl OL still strong, Rolle all over the field
One of Eli's great seasons, no doubt, and his effort in the NFC Championship game war in SF is the stuff of legend, but to characterize that season as Eli carrying a bunch of bums to the SB is very inaccurate.
We've seen a lot of great players put on the Giant's blue.
I miss a lot of them, some I miss were not the most talented, but played with a competitive fire that was admirable.
Eli has been and continues to be a model of how to handle the pressure of his chosen profession and of the crushing media attention of NY. He's conducted himself in a manner that should endear him to the fans, but oddly hasn't won all of them over. That baffles me.
I don't know if I'll miss him more than some of our past players, but I know I'll miss watching him a good deal.
So, if you're saying you MISS LT MORE than you would Eli, then you're getting what I'm saying..
If you're saying LT WAS THE BEST EVER, you're NOT getting the OP..
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LT was a better player, but no one in the past 30 years (and probably ever) had a more direct hand in delivering titles to the Giants. He's the author of maybe the greatest, most clutch play in history and his performance for a 2011 team that otherwise sucked was heroic.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
The 2011 Giants didn't "otherwise suck" in any way, shape or form. The defense and OL were very banged up for much of the season, then strangely (for the NFL) got healthier down the stretch. We had Cruz and Nicks, Bradshaw, the Snee/Seubert/Diehl OL still strong, Rolle all over the field
One of Eli's great seasons, no doubt, and his effort in the NFC Championship game war in SF is the stuff of legend, but to characterize that season as Eli carrying a bunch of bums to the SB is very inaccurate.
I get what you're saying of course and yes, we got healthy at the right time. I believe what GT was saying (and if he's not, I'm saying it) was that had Eli not carried that team the way he did to the 9-7 regular season record we probably would have won at most 5 games with all the decimation we experienced and there would have been no playoffs in time for the better health to kick in and help get us the Lombardi, imo..
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LT was a better player, but no one in the past 30 years (and probably ever) had a more direct hand in delivering titles to the Giants. He's the author of maybe the greatest, most clutch play in history and his performance for a 2011 team that otherwise sucked was heroic.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
The 2011 Giants didn't "otherwise suck" in any way, shape or form. The defense and OL were very banged up for much of the season, then strangely (for the NFL) got healthier down the stretch. We had Cruz and Nicks, Bradshaw, the Snee/Seubert/Diehl OL still strong, Rolle all over the field
One of Eli's great seasons, no doubt, and his effort in the NFC Championship game war in SF is the stuff of legend, but to characterize that season as Eli carrying a bunch of bums to the SB is very inaccurate.
I get what you're saying of course and yes, we got healthy at the right time. I believe what GT was saying (and if he's not, I'm saying it) was that had Eli not carried that team the way he did to the 9-7 regular season record we probably would have won at most 5 games with all the decimation we experienced and there would have been no playoffs in time for the better health to kick in and help get us the Lombardi, imo..
Good points...my post wasn't as much to argue with the original comment, but rather built up annoyance over recent years about people who think that wasn't really a good team.
To me it was almost the reverse of 2008, which was probably the best team of the Coughlin era, but faded down the stretch, due to injuries, accidents with guns, what have you. In 2011 we were treading water early on, then got healthy and hot and dominated in the playoffs.
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LT was a better player, but no one in the past 30 years (and probably ever) had a more direct hand in delivering titles to the Giants. He's the author of maybe the greatest, most clutch play in history and his performance for a 2011 team that otherwise sucked was heroic.
Twice he walked on the field losing at the end of the Super Bowl, and twice he walked off it the reason they were a winner. There is no other player about whom that can be said in the sport. Not Montana, not Brady, no one.
The 2011 Giants didn't "otherwise suck" in any way, shape or form. The defense and OL were very banged up for much of the season, then strangely (for the NFL) got healthier down the stretch. We had Cruz and Nicks, Bradshaw, the Snee/Seubert/Diehl OL still strong, Rolle all over the field
One of Eli's great seasons, no doubt, and his effort in the NFC Championship game war in SF is the stuff of legend, but to characterize that season as Eli carrying a bunch of bums to the SB is very inaccurate.
I get what you're saying of course and yes, we got healthy at the right time. I believe what GT was saying (and if he's not, I'm saying it) was that had Eli not carried that team the way he did to the 9-7 regular season record we probably would have won at most 5 games with all the decimation we experienced and there would have been no playoffs in time for the better health to kick in and help get us the Lombardi, imo..
Good points...my post wasn't as much to argue with the original comment, but rather built up annoyance over recent years about people who think that wasn't really a good team.
To me it was almost the reverse of 2008, which was probably the best team of the Coughlin era, but faded down the stretch, due to injuries, accidents with guns, what have you. In 2011 we were treading water early on, then got healthy and hot and dominated in the playoffs.
Yeah..Anytime you can wind up a season playing .650 ball (13-7 after ALL played out) you've had a solid team..Oh and btw, we WERE the best team in the NFL that year and have the only proof that matters-the Lombardi
So, if you're saying you MISS LT MORE than you would Eli, then you're getting what I'm saying..
If you're saying LT WAS THE BEST EVER, you're NOT getting the OP..
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I get why you and others say Eli - he gave the giants a chance to win week in week out, even at times when he didn't have a great supporting cast and he is a class act off the field.
for me though, watching peak LT was a transcendent experience - his ability to run around and over tackles and crush quarterbacks, running backs etc was a thing of beauty. he was a once in a generation talent.
while there may be another Eli in the giants future, the chances are very low that we will ever see another LT again.
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even close, are you saying that you miss LT far more than you'll miss Eli when he's done? Because that's the ONLY POINT OF THIS THREAD..It is not about who the greatest Giants' player was because IT'S CLEARLY LT..
So, if you're saying you MISS LT MORE than you would Eli, then you're getting what I'm saying..
If you're saying LT WAS THE BEST EVER, you're NOT getting the OP..
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when you talk about "missing a player", a lot of it is how do you fill the void when they're gone.
I get why you and others say Eli - he gave the giants a chance to win week in week out, even at times when he didn't have a great supporting cast and he is a class act off the field.
for me though, watching peak LT was a transcendent experience - his ability to run around and over tackles and crush quarterbacks, running backs etc was a thing of beauty. he was a once in a generation talent.
while there may be another Eli in the giants future, the chances are very low that we will ever see another LT again.
Can't disagree Les..I don't miss LT the franchise representative at all..I miss the greatest D player in history and possibly the best ever from either side of the ball..Who wouldn't miss that unprecedented onfield production?
I will miss Eli the Giant on and off the field..
I care about and therefore my le what kind of player they were, what kind of teammate, how they contributed to the success of the team.
Eli and LT both are legendary Giants in that respect and I see why people would say they will miss Eli as a great ambassador for the team and a good role model for kids (he didn't fight with coaches or teammates or throw them under the bus). But the rush from watching LT play was unparalleled.
I care about and therefore my le what kind of player they were, what kind of teammate, how they contributed to the success of the team.
Eli and LT both are legendary Giants in that respect and I see why people would say they will miss Eli as a great ambassador for the team and a good role model for kids (he didn't fight with coaches or teammates or throw them under the bus). But the rush from watching LT play was unparalleled.
By off the field, I wasn't referring to charity work, his work with kids, etc..Many players do that and at times without fanfare..I'll mostly miss how he handled the media after great performances and awful performances. In most cases you might not know the difference. I don't recall him ever losing it, which is almost nearly impossible to do in the NY market..Even when Tiki was doing his thing re Eli, at worst, Eli responded with an innocuous counter dig(s)...If Eli showed composure and little to no panic, I as a fan, felt more assured about the state of things...I'll miss all of that classy and professional demeanor..His onfield accomplishments speak for themselves and I'll miss them (well, most of them, GRIN) very much as well
for the rest of the NFL is mind boggling .
We were blessed to have had Eli who is a class act on
and off the field .
It will be a sad day when he hangs them up and you wonder
when he will start to show chinks in the armour .
It's a shame that we haven't done a better job of fielding
a better team especially the O-line who I think are
barely adequate at this point .
Maybe we get this thing turned around and he gets another
chance or two to get into the playoffs we can only Hope...
for the rest of the NFL is mind boggling .
We were blessed to have had Eli who is a class act on
and off the field .
It will be a sad day when he hangs them up and you wonder
when he will start to show chinks in the armour .
It's a shame that we haven't done a better job of fielding
a better team especially the O-line who I think are
barely adequate at this point .
Maybe we get this thing turned around and he gets another
chance or two to get into the playoffs we can only Hope...
I oft times forget that he's never (knock on wood) missed a start since he took over for Kurt in game 10 of 2004..
So, if you're saying you MISS LT MORE than you would Eli, then you're getting what I'm saying..
If you're saying LT WAS THE BEST EVER, you're NOT getting the OP..
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Absolutely. I will miss LT more because of what he did on the field. Being a good citizen off the field, while laudable, runs a very distant second to me.
for the rest of the NFL is mind boggling .
We were blessed to have had Eli who is a class act on
and off the field .
It will be a sad day when he hangs them up and you wonder
when he will start to show chinks in the armour .
It's a shame that we haven't done a better job of fielding
a better team especially the O-line who I think are
barely adequate at this point .
Maybe we get this thing turned around and he gets another
chance or two to get into the playoffs we can only Hope...
There's no better feeling than having a QB like Eli so that game after game year after year one always feels with him we have a chance to win any game each week ...
I saw that in him even at Ole Miss ... especially that 2004 Cotton Bowl ...
With Tittle I knew we'd miss Conerly for only a bit ... but I knew we'd miss Tittle leaving a lot longer ... and we did ...