NFT: Joakim Noah skips military dinner, cites anti-war stance

its his own time

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the majority of those "kids" haven't done any fighting or any killing. It's just an awkward stance. One he's certainly well within his rights to take/make, he just comes across as bumbling in doing so.

He just comes off looking rather silly.

if only because I think it's virtually impossible to go there and not have a better or different perspective of the country, the people who have fought for it, and just the richness of history. It is just a different place and one that most people react to on a visceral level.

is because in High School my hockey team played the West Point JV's every year at West Point, and we'd take a greayhound bus and that narrow winding road up the mountain to that campus is harrowing to someone who is afraid of heights. So many times I thought that bus was going over the cliff.

Plus I got hit so hard one year (maybe my sophomore year) I skated to the wrong bench. I could have sworn it was an actual tank on the ice, otherwise beautiful campus great atmosphere and I loved being there.

I do reiterate though I don't think anyone cared that Noah skipped this event.

In comment 13149636 chris r said:

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of work in the community. He's a bit of a hippy, but he's probably contributed more to the world then most of the posters here who reflexively dismiss any stance that can be construed as anti military/police/country/authority.

It's so sad that the ass raping that Bill gave you didn't stick...

is that, depending on where the country is wrt international stuff, as many or more of those "kids" will spend more time doing relief work in places like Haiti, building what ever the Corps of Engineers build, doing diplomacy, medicine, law, business, or even being political leaders than they do "the things they do" in the context of war.

In comment 13149636 chris r said:

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of work in the community. He's a bit of a hippy, but he's probably contributed more to the world then most of the posters here who reflexively dismiss any stance that can be construed as anti military/police/country/authority.

I think that there is a better argument to be made that you are a much more, even an exponentially more, reflexive respondent on this site than anybody you reference. Anyone at all, really.

Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left.

Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.

he can have dinner with a bunch of 18-22 year old cadets. I have no trouble with his pacifism, just how he selectively applies it.

In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said:

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Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left. Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.

When you distill it down, these are as much college kids as anything else.

In comment 13149635 okiegiant said:

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All good if you're not an NBA fan, but FYI Noah (although he's dealt with some injury issues) is a very good player. So-so scorer but excellent defender & rebounder. DPOY in 2014 (?).

Not that that should or should not legitimize his stance, but he's most definitely not the hoops equivalent of a 2nd string quarterback.

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I went there once to see Dave Matthews. Me and some buddies ate a bunch of mushrooms thinking it would be a normal concert. It was all cadets and their dates dressed up like prom. You couldn't even buy a bottle of water let alone any beer.

It was a bad trip but a beautiful campus.

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guy with the worst hair I've ever seen on a person Bill L : 4:35 pm : link : reply

I would question your idea of "worst hair" but we aren't allowed to name politicians here.

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if it's in conjunction with a west point get together, then, yeah, it's hypocritical.

if it's somewhere else, then the comparison need not apply as the POTUS is more than just C-I-C.

In comment 13149670 Rob in CT/NYC said:

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In comment 13149636 chris r said: Quote: of work in the community. He's a bit of a hippy, but he's probably contributed more to the world then most of the posters here who reflexively dismiss any stance that can be construed as anti military/police/country/authority. It's so sad that the ass raping that Bill gave you didn't stick...

Hes like bacterial resistant MRSA. I just real would love to know if he believes the crap he posts or not.

In comment 13149688 Bill L said:

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In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said: Quote: Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left. Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends. When you distill it down, these are as much college kids as anything else.

I met this guy on a plane last year who taught at West Point. Either History or English, I can't remember. But i said to him. "It must be great teaching at West Point because all the students must do the reading and being really disciplined." Nope. Slackers, just like everywhere else. Constantly on their phones etc . . . . I had to laugh. Shows we all have preconceptions.

In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said:

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Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left. Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.

You are kidding right? You are not allowed to offend anyone. That is why there are safe spaces, trigger warnings and political correctness. Controversy is not allowed on campus if your view doesn't meet the academic elite.

but, they should be more than just college kids. I don't begrudge anyone for finding the best career path, but the west point honor and the motivation should have a lot to do with patriotism and military service, not just getting a job.

In comment 13149703 fkap said:

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if it's in conjunction with a west point get together, then, yeah, it's hypocritical. if it's somewhere else, then the comparison need not apply as the POTUS is more than just C-I-C.

I thought it was more recent, but it was several years ago at Bulls camp. Only reason I thought it was recent was the photo showed him and Rose in blue jerseys, so I assumed those were Knicks jerseys.

In comment 13149710 section125 said:

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In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said: Quote: Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left. Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends. You are kidding right? You are not allowed to offend anyone. That is why there are safe spaces, trigger warnings and political correctness. Controversy is not allowed on campus if your view doesn't meet the academic elite.

I agree. But I also see political correctness coming from the Right, not just the Left.

To me, old-fashioned courtesy should be the rule. If I know you come from a military family, I won't say anything against the military because that would just be rude and needlessly offensive. Ditto for comments about race, gender, sexual orientation etc. . .. If you are hanging out with your African American coworker, don't call the boss a "slavedriver." If you are hanging out with your female coworker, don't call somebody a "pussy" or a "twat." That's just politeness and consideration.

and if what he said pisses you off, you obviously have much bigger problems in your life.

In comment 13149703 fkap said:

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if it's in conjunction with a west point get together, then, yeah, it's hypocritical. if it's somewhere else, then the comparison need not apply as the POTUS is more than just C-I-C.

but to no lesser extent, the cadets at West Point are more than just absents of warfare.

Not absence

...but all "slacking" is relative with all due respect to the Prof. quoted above.

I would like to see the typical college kid endure a week at West Point.

As for the hoopster. That's his call. Nobody really gives a shit do they?

Global wars. Being fought for what exactly. He said he supports the people in the military put in these positions. So.

In comment 13149738 Vanzetti said:

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In comment 13149710 section125 said: Quote: I agree. But I also see political correctness coming from the Right, not just the Left. To me, old-fashioned courtesy should be the rule.

I disagree with your 1st sentence and totally agree with your second.

But now I am treading on thin ice and don't wish to be banned.

why can't we all just love each other?

But isn't this a political thread?

In comment 13149754 chiro56 said:

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Global wars. Being fought for what exactly. He said he supports the people in the military put in these positions. So.

Just what corporation does ISIS fight for or Abu Sayyef, or Al Qaeda?

And you're free to think he's an idiot and/or ignore him.

Wrong with a peaceful protest.

In comment 13149631 section125 said:

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me, me, me.....

Agreed.

I happen to think there are different reasons for these wars then what MSM spews. I'll leave it at that.

this topic is so boring. He's free to do what he wants

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In comment 13149631 section125 said:

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me, me, me.....

Agree. I don't think that narcissist could have squeezed in another "I" or "me" despite how much he loves himself.

...when everybody believes their opinion is a) important and b) needs to be shared.

Think about the contrast between the students at West Point and most of the rest of their generation.

In comment 13149830 Maryland Giant said:

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...when everybody believes their opinion is a) important and b) needs to be shared. Think about the contrast between the students at West Point and most of the rest of their generation.

Forget about it MG. It's a whole other world of beliefs and responsibilities.

Asshole.

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me, me, me.....

Agreed.

In comment 13149815 CruzCocktail said:

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this topic is so boring. He's free to do what he wants

Plenty of people care, it's a massive issue right now. Atleast he did this on his own time, but that's where defending him stops. I don't agree with the message it sends but he's free to do what he wants. I'd have a problem if he did this during a Knicks game.

In comment 13150041 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 13149815 CruzCocktail said: Quote: this topic is so boring. He's free to do what he wants Plenty of people care, it's a massive issue right now. Atleast he did this on his own time, but that's where defending him stops. I don't agree with the message it sends but he's free to do what he wants. I'd have a problem if he did this during a Knicks game.

its just my own guess, but I think I have a better than even chance of being correct, that Noah frequently doesn't eat dinner with a West Point cadets at a Knick game. Don't get too mad.

But reading his quotes, I really don't dusagree with him.

He did miss out on what was probably a great experience with all of the traditions and history of those various halls at West Point. If nothing else, visiting such a storied institution is a treat for any history buff, but somehow I doubt he's much into history.

But seriously, so he didn't want to go, does it really matter for what reason? It's his choice.

and as a result, you need to explain yourself and do a bit of damage control... then maybe your message or method of delivering it was not well thought out.

but... Who the hell is this guy that anybody should give a crap? To me, it's the equivalent of my neighbor 4 doors down doing it...who???

Let people protest anything they want, it's their right. The fact that the media covers it is the confusing part.