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NFT: Joakim Noah skips military dinner, cites anti-war stance

David in LA : 9/30/2016 3:42 pm
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"It's hard for me a little bit. I have a lot of respect for the kids who are out here fighting. But it's hard for me to understand why we have to go to war, why kids have to kill kids around the world," Noah said after Friday's practice. "So I have mixed feelings about being here. I'm very proud of this country. I love America but I just don't understand kids killing kids around the world."

Noah added: "At the end of the day, I'm not anti-troops. It's just not comfortable for me to see kids going out to war and coming back having seen what they've seen, having done what they've done. It's sad for me. It's sad for me because they're just sent out for things that I don't really want to get into it to be honest with you. It's hard for me."


Ok, I'm all for freedom of speech and expression, but Noah is coming off like a moron in this instance, when there are photos of him yukking it up with the President, who is actually more directly responsible for our foreign agendas than West Point.
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Having free speech, and not coming off like an idiot  
wigs in nyc : 9/30/2016 3:44 pm : link
are two completely separate things. One might even say the one does not encourage the other.
Me, me, me  
section125 : 9/30/2016 3:47 pm : link
me, me, me.....
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pjcas18 : 9/30/2016 3:49 pm : link
don't care.


I'm sure the cadets wondered where the F is Joakim Noah?

The cadets (or whatever the proper term is) at West Point probably cared a hundred times less than anyone in the media will.
He is against war.  
Big Al : 9/30/2016 3:50 pm : link
Sounds like a deep and profound thinker.
I had to google who he was...  
okiegiant : 9/30/2016 3:52 pm : link
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Noah is by all accounts a great person and does a ton  
chris r : 9/30/2016 3:53 pm : link
of work in the community. He's a bit of a hippy, but he's probably contributed more to the world then most of the posters here who reflexively dismiss any stance that can be construed as anti military/police/country/authority.

* for the world  
chris r : 9/30/2016 3:54 pm : link
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Hard to disagree  
Natek212 : 9/30/2016 3:55 pm : link
with his reasoning. Good for him.
actually *to the world works  
chris r : 9/30/2016 3:56 pm : link
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Chris, I don't think of him as a bad person  
David in LA : 9/30/2016 3:57 pm : link
I just find his stance to be directed towards the wrong things. It's not like foreign agendas are dictated by cadets, or anyone at the academy. He has no qualms at all about a photo op with the President, when you know, he might have more influence on wars than an academy that is hosting the entire team for a week.
free speech....  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/30/2016 4:06 pm : link
he can do whatever he wants
fine with me  
UConn4523 : 9/30/2016 4:07 pm : link
its his own time
Win some games this year please.  
bceagle05 : 9/30/2016 4:09 pm : link
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He's at West Point...  
Dunedin81 : 9/30/2016 4:11 pm : link
the majority of those "kids" haven't done any fighting or any killing. It's just an awkward stance. One he's certainly well within his rights to take/make, he just comes across as bumbling in doing so.
of course he can do what he wants  
Greg from LI : 9/30/2016 4:14 pm : link
He just comes off looking rather silly.
I wish he had gone  
Bill L : 9/30/2016 4:16 pm : link
if only because I think it's virtually impossible to go there and not have a better or different perspective of the country, the people who have fought for it, and just the richness of history. It is just a different place and one that most people react to on a visceral level.
The only reason I'd avoid West Point  
pjcas18 : 9/30/2016 4:20 pm : link
is because in High School my hockey team played the West Point JV's every year at West Point, and we'd take a greayhound bus and that narrow winding road up the mountain to that campus is harrowing to someone who is afraid of heights. So many times I thought that bus was going over the cliff.

Plus I got hit so hard one year (maybe my sophomore year) I skated to the wrong bench. I could have sworn it was an actual tank on the ice, otherwise beautiful campus great atmosphere and I loved being there.

I do reiterate though I don't think anyone cared that Noah skipped this event.

RE: Noah is by all accounts a great person and does a ton  
Rob in CT/NYC : 9/30/2016 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13149636 chris r said:
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of work in the community. He's a bit of a hippy, but he's probably contributed more to the world then most of the posters here who reflexively dismiss any stance that can be construed as anti military/police/country/authority.


It's so sad that the ass raping that Bill gave you didn't stick...
The other thing is, sort of tangential to David's and Russ's points  
Bill L : 9/30/2016 4:24 pm : link
is that, depending on where the country is wrt international stuff, as many or more of those "kids" will spend more time doing relief work in places like Haiti, building what ever the Corps of Engineers build, doing diplomacy, medicine, law, business, or even being political leaders than they do "the things they do" in the context of war.
RE: Noah is by all accounts a great person and does a ton  
Bill L : 9/30/2016 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13149636 chris r said:
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of work in the community. He's a bit of a hippy, but he's probably contributed more to the world then most of the posters here who reflexively dismiss any stance that can be construed as anti military/police/country/authority.
I think that there is a better argument to be made that you are a much more, even an exponentially more, reflexive respondent on this site than anybody you reference. Anyone at all, really.
Good for him  
Vanzetti : 9/30/2016 4:29 pm : link
Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left.

Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.



If he can play hoops with the Commander in Chief....  
njm : 9/30/2016 4:31 pm : link
he can have dinner with a bunch of 18-22 year old cadets. I have no trouble with his pacifism, just how he selectively applies it.
RE: Good for him  
Bill L : 9/30/2016 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said:
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Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left.

Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.


When you distill it down, these are as much college kids as anything else.
RE: I had to google who he was...  
Overseer : 9/30/2016 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13149635 okiegiant said:
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All good if you're not an NBA fan, but FYI Noah (although he's dealt with some injury issues) is a very good player. So-so scorer but excellent defender & rebounder. DPOY in 2014 (?).

Not that that should or should not legitimize his stance, but he's most definitely not the hoops equivalent of a 2nd string quarterback.
He's an energy guy with the worst hair I've ever seen on a person  
Bill L : 9/30/2016 4:35 pm : link
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RE: The only reason I'd avoid West Point  
pmmanning : 9/30/2016 4:39 pm : link
I went there once to see Dave Matthews. Me and some buddies ate a bunch of mushrooms thinking it would be a normal concert. It was all cadets and their dates dressed up like prom. You couldn't even buy a bottle of water let alone any beer.

It was a bad trip but a beautiful campus.
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GiantFilthy : 9/30/2016 4:40 pm : link
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guy with the worst hair I've ever seen on a person
Bill L : 4:35 pm : link : reply

I would question your idea of "worst hair" but we aren't allowed to name politicians here.
You leave Martin Van Buren alone!  
Overseer : 9/30/2016 4:41 pm : link
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where and why was he yukking it up with POTUS?  
fkap : 9/30/2016 4:43 pm : link
if it's in conjunction with a west point get together, then, yeah, it's hypocritical.

if it's somewhere else, then the comparison need not apply as the POTUS is more than just C-I-C.
RE: RE: Noah is by all accounts a great person and does a ton  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/30/2016 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13149670 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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In comment 13149636 chris r said:


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of work in the community. He's a bit of a hippy, but he's probably contributed more to the world then most of the posters here who reflexively dismiss any stance that can be construed as anti military/police/country/authority.




It's so sad that the ass raping that Bill gave you didn't stick...


Hes like bacterial resistant MRSA. I just real would love to know if he believes the crap he posts or not.
RE: RE: Good for him  
Vanzetti : 9/30/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13149688 Bill L said:
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In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said:


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Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left.

Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.




When you distill it down, these are as much college kids as anything else.


I met this guy on a plane last year who taught at West Point. Either History or English, I can't remember. But i said to him. "It must be great teaching at West Point because all the students must do the reading and being really disciplined." Nope. Slackers, just like everywhere else. Constantly on their phones etc . . . . I had to laugh. Shows we all have preconceptions.
RE: Good for him  
section125 : 9/30/2016 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said:
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Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left.

Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.




You are kidding right? You are not allowed to offend anyone. That is why there are safe spaces, trigger warnings and political correctness. Controversy is not allowed on campus if your view doesn't meet the academic elite.
these are college age kids  
fkap : 9/30/2016 4:51 pm : link
but, they should be more than just college kids. I don't begrudge anyone for finding the best career path, but the west point honor and the motivation should have a lot to do with patriotism and military service, not just getting a job.
RE: where and why was he yukking it up with POTUS?  
David in LA : 9/30/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13149703 fkap said:
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if it's in conjunction with a west point get together, then, yeah, it's hypocritical.

if it's somewhere else, then the comparison need not apply as the POTUS is more than just C-I-C.


I thought it was more recent, but it was several years ago at Bulls camp. Only reason I thought it was recent was the photo showed him and Rose in blue jerseys, so I assumed those were Knicks jerseys.
RE: RE: Good for him  
Vanzetti : 9/30/2016 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13149710 section125 said:
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In comment 13149683 Vanzetti said:


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Being adamantly pro-military is the political correctness of the Right. Just like identity politics is the political correctness of the Left.

Good to see people once again getting the courage to speak their minds--regardless of who it offends.






You are kidding right? You are not allowed to offend anyone. That is why there are safe spaces, trigger warnings and political correctness. Controversy is not allowed on campus if your view doesn't meet the academic elite.


I agree. But I also see political correctness coming from the Right, not just the Left.

To me, old-fashioned courtesy should be the rule. If I know you come from a military family, I won't say anything against the military because that would just be rude and needlessly offensive. Ditto for comments about race, gender, sexual orientation etc. . .. If you are hanging out with your African American coworker, don't call the boss a "slavedriver." If you are hanging out with your female coworker, don't call somebody a "pussy" or a "twat." That's just politeness and consideration.



Good for Joakim...  
vonritz : 9/30/2016 5:41 pm : link
and if what he said pisses you off, you obviously have much bigger problems in your life.
RE: where and why was he yukking it up with POTUS?  
Bill L : 9/30/2016 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13149703 fkap said:
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if it's in conjunction with a west point get together, then, yeah, it's hypocritical.

if it's somewhere else, then the comparison need not apply as the POTUS is more than just C-I-C.
but to no lesser extent, the cadets at West Point are more than just absents of warfare.
Um agents  
Bill L : 9/30/2016 5:47 pm : link
Not absence
Just an aside...  
Maryland Giant : 9/30/2016 5:53 pm : link
...but all "slacking" is relative with all due respect to the Prof. quoted above.

I would like to see the typical college kid endure a week at West Point.

As for the hoopster. That's his call. Nobody really gives a shit do they?
So he is against what he see's as corporate  
chiro56 : 9/30/2016 6:01 pm : link
Global wars. Being fought for what exactly. He said he supports the people in the military put in these positions. So.
RE: RE: RE: Good for him  
section125 : 9/30/2016 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13149738 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13149710 section125 said:


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I agree. But I also see political correctness coming from the Right, not just the Left.

To me, old-fashioned courtesy should be the rule.


I disagree with your 1st sentence and totally agree with your second.

But now I am treading on thin ice and don't wish to be banned.
Peace on earth man !  
EricJ : 9/30/2016 6:08 pm : link
why can't we all just love each other?
Just curious  
trueblueinpw : 9/30/2016 6:09 pm : link
But isn't this a political thread?
RE: So he is against what he see's as corporate  
section125 : 9/30/2016 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13149754 chiro56 said:
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Global wars. Being fought for what exactly. He said he supports the people in the military put in these positions. So.


Just what corporation does ISIS fight for or Abu Sayyef, or Al Qaeda?
Freedom of speech.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/30/2016 6:43 pm : link
And you're free to think he's an idiot and/or ignore him.
Nothing  
charlito : 9/30/2016 6:46 pm : link
Wrong with a peaceful protest.
RE: Me, me, me  
BigBlueinDE : 9/30/2016 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13149631 section125 said:
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me, me, me.....


Agreed.
Sec125, I won't make this a political thread  
chiro56 : 9/30/2016 7:56 pm : link
I happen to think there are different reasons for these wars then what MSM spews. I'll leave it at that.
Wh cares  
CruzCocktail : 9/30/2016 7:59 pm : link
this topic is so boring. He's free to do what he wants
*Who  
CruzCocktail : 9/30/2016 8:00 pm : link
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