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Josh Norman Fined $48,620 For Hit on Shepard

gidiefor : Mod : 9/30/2016 4:22 pm
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Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero

#Redskins CB Josh Norman was fined $48,620 for unnecessary roughness in last week's game against the Giants.

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gidiefor : Mod : 9/30/2016 4:24 pm : link
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LedHeded : 9/30/2016 4:26 pm : link
this should have been called on the field
and Norman talked shit to Shep too, there should also have been unsportsmanlike conduct as well


RE: and  
jlukes : 9/30/2016 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13149680 LedHeded said:
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this should have been called on the field
and Norman talked shit to Shep too, there should also have been unsportsmanlike conduct as well



Huh? It was called on the field. There was a 15 yard penalty called on Norman
I think he's saying  
santacruzom : 9/30/2016 4:31 pm : link
that Shepard should have been required to fork over 48,620 dollars in cash, on the field.
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LedHeded : 9/30/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13149681 jlukes said:
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In comment 13149680 LedHeded said:


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this should have been called on the field
and Norman talked shit to Shep too, there should also have been unsportsmanlike conduct as well





Huh? It was called on the field. There was a 15 yard penalty called on Norman


my bad, I forgot that it was called on the field
RE: I think he's saying  
LedHeded : 9/30/2016 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13149686 santacruzom said:
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that Shepard should have been required to fork over 48,620 dollars in cash, on the field.


lol
Hate to sit here yelling get off my lawn...  
VenteSette : 9/30/2016 4:39 pm : link
but that was just a hit. Seemed fine to me. WR over the middle gets belted. That is football.
Norman launched himself at Shepard...  
okiegiant : 9/30/2016 4:45 pm : link
its a hit the NFL doesn't want to see anymore. Simple as that.
RE: Hate to sit here yelling get off my lawn...  
section125 : 9/30/2016 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13149699 VenteSette said:
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but that was just a hit. Seemed fine to me. WR over the middle gets belted. That is football.


Not anymore. Clotheslines are illegal.
Here is what I dont understand about  
Old Dirty Beckham : 9/30/2016 4:49 pm : link
Richburg's bullshit taunting penalties. After Shepard was hit he got up and made muscles in normans face.

I'm not advocating for that to be a penalty but wouldnt that be the definition of taunting?
RE: Here is what I dont understand about  
FStubbs : 9/30/2016 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13149708 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Richburg's bullshit taunting penalties. After Shepard was hit he got up and made muscles in normans face.

I'm not advocating for that to be a penalty but wouldnt that be the definition of taunting?


The refs were in the tank for the epithets and I think they were looking for an excuse to eject Giants like Richburg.
What about him picking up OBJ and throwing him to the turf...  
GloryDayz : 9/30/2016 6:03 pm : link
The ref didnt throw the flag, but is the league fine with that behavior.

And please dont tell me its because OBJ fake jumped & Norman actually though he had the ball. They have to be dumb & blind to think that.
How the hell do they come up with an amount of $48,620 ?  
EricJ : 9/30/2016 6:05 pm : link
how about an even $50k?
Sterling Shepard  
gogiants : 9/30/2016 7:07 pm : link


is one tough rookie. He took that hit and got right up talking trash. From Marc Ross - "He is very tough. He’ll go inside with no fear, catch the ball, take the hit, make guys miss and keep going."


RE: Sterling Shepard  
snumber6 : 9/30/2016 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13149786 gogiants said:
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is one tough rookie. He took that hit and got right up talking trash. From Marc Ross - "He is very tough. He’ll go inside with no fear, catch the ball, take the hit, make guys miss and keep going."




He wasn't the WR I wanted to get in the draft ... but he's already won me over 100 % ...
RE: What about him picking up OBJ and throwing him to the turf...  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/30/2016 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13149757 GloryDayz said:
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The ref didnt throw the flag, but is the league fine with that behavior.

Are you talking about last year? He did throw him down last year and should have been called for it then. Last Sunday he dropped him at best. He didn't throw him down.

My question is if both Eli and Norman were told if you do "anything" we are throwing you out, why wasn't Norman ejected after the personal foul on SS?
I guess in today's NFL Norman gets fined...  
EricJ : 9/30/2016 9:27 pm : link
but that hit was commonplace at one time
I don't see what was cheap about the hit  
lono801 : 9/30/2016 9:28 pm : link
Looked clean to me....
Maybe the elbow...  
lono801 : 9/30/2016 9:33 pm : link
But it was almost after the hit.....

Almost
RE: I don't see what was cheap about the hit  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/30/2016 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13149853 lono801 said:
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Looked clean to me....

That kind of hit has been illegal for years now. No attempt at a tackle. Targeted the hit to the head. Clearly tried to power through him as you can tell by the body language after the initial hit. Didn't even try to go around the waist. That's textbook defenseless receiver.
I have been watching football for 50 years  
lono801 : 9/30/2016 9:35 pm : link
I see that hit every Sunday

I don't get it
Normans  
blue42 : 9/30/2016 10:32 pm : link
shoulder is at head level....that's not a clean hit.
I hate Norman..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/30/2016 10:56 pm : link
as much or more than most and didn't see a problem with the hit. Then again - I saw nothing wrong with the Vernon hit either.

I'd rather that crew just keep the flags in their pants next time.
RE: I hate Norman..  
steve in ky : 9/30/2016 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13149920 FatMan in Charlotte said:
[quote] as much or more than most and didn't see a problem with the hit. Then again - I saw nothing wrong with the Vernon hit either.

I'd rather that crew just keep the flags in their pants next time. [/quote

I have to agree. He didn't lead with his helmet but his shoulder and in fact if Shepard doesn't lower his head in anticipation of the hit I doubt his shoulders get the head at all. It was a hard hit for sure but I don't think it was dirty.
I'm with blue42  
adamg : 9/30/2016 11:03 pm : link
the guy's shoulder goes right into Shepard's facemask. I don't know how you can honestly say he didn't go high and for the head.
He didn't deserve even a $40 fine  
KWALL2 : 9/30/2016 11:09 pm : link
I don't believe they gave him that kind of fine. For some guys that's almost an entire paycheck. That hit wasn't bad at all. Didn't even deserve a penalty.

RE: I have been watching football for 50 years  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/30/2016 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13149860 lono801 said:
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I see that hit every Sunday

I don't get it


Not much to get. They don't want that hit in the game anymore. Doesn't matter that it was legal 5 years ago.
The rules changed years ago for obvious reasons  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/30/2016 11:31 pm : link
CTE is not some make believe thing. The league had to adapt or face even more lawsuits. Let's not forget that IT IS actually causing permanent damage.

The hit was most assuredly deserving of a flag and a fine. If we was warned by the officials that they would not tolerate anything like this, Norman should have been ejected.

Linked the rule and here's the applicable language;

a. Players in a defenseless posture are:

2. A receiver attempting to catch a pass who has not had time to clearly become a runner. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player

b. Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

1. forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him

Note 2: A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball from an opponent. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a defenseless opponent, even if the opponent is an airborne player who is returning to the ground or whose body position is otherwise in motion, and irrespective of any acts by the defenseless opponent, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact.

Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards and an automatic first down. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

As I said, textbook. There really is nothing to dispute. Also, yes, Norman was aggressively jumping into the hit. His body doesn't move in an upward direction on that hit unless he intentionally jumps up into the receiver. Norman's body launched up, not horizontal. His intent was very clear to me. Zero effort to make the tackle. Zero attempt to dislodge the ball unless it was through knocking SS unconscious. Incidentally what the rule was created to prevent.

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Norman's team  
RetroJint : 10/1/2016 7:37 am : link
won the game. Again. And this league is on an irreversible course toward flag football. And to think it started with a Giant: Kenny Phillios and his "tackling too hard" PI against the Eagles. Furthermore, all reception statistics should be curved to reflect the "no contact' nature of plays over the middle. CFL-80s, fellas.
We don't know what an actual catch is anymore,  
Doomster : 10/1/2016 9:03 am : link
and it seems we don't know what a legal hit is anymore....
RE: I don't see what was cheap about the hit  
short lease : 10/1/2016 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13149853 lono801 said:
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Looked clean to me....


I was thinking the same thing ... maybe it was high?

I am surprised he got a flag and a fine for that.
RE: RE: I don't see what was cheap about the hit  
Percy : 10/2/2016 12:05 am : link
In comment 13150482 short lease said:
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In comment 13149853 lono801 said:


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Looked clean to me....



I was thinking the same thing ... maybe it was high?

I am surprised he got a flag and a fine for that.

Agree.
didn't see a problem with the hit  
chris r : 10/2/2016 12:48 am : link
he led with his shoulder.
Maybe  
NFL4SanAntonio : 10/2/2016 12:56 am : link
Cuz he kinda launched himself, left his feet?
You can't leave your feet and propel yourself up into a tackle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2016 1:11 am : link
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