I think Odell Beckham Jr is probably the most talented player I have seen, outside of Lawrence Taylor, in the 55 years I have been a Giants' fan. Matter of fact, I don't believe it is even close.
That being said, there is a huge difference between Beckham and Taylor and the impact they had on their teams. Taylor's impact was immediate as well as long term. He turned the Giants around immediately and made them a feared defence. In Beckham's first two years, we have finished 6-10 and that is with a Super Bowl MVP quarterback throwing the ball to him. I believe that reflects more the impact of a first line defensive player as opposed to a first line wide receiver. Still, we can finish 6-10 without OBJ, if things continue as they are. I am 50/50 on his recent outbursts but it has to be pointed out that his play has not been that great since the Carolina game last year and he has been dropping passes...as someone pointed out here this week...he always seems to be trying for the highlight reel one handed catch instead of using two hands and focusing on just catching the ball.
That said, I want OBJ on the Giants...I believe firmly that properly focused he is a sure fire Hall of Fame player. But he has to mature quickly, in an emotional sense, or else he is of no use to the Giants and only a serious distraction. Again, I do not support all of what has happened recently. I think the unsportsmanlike rule is completely stupid and a knee jerk reaction from the NFL. I also believe the officials are completely overreacting to player behaviour on the field. As Bill Polian said: this is not high school football!
Still, Beckham's antics are me-first and selfish. He has to get back to being the player we saw in 2014. I've heard and read some things about the people he is hanging out with and one wonders if those who are whispering in his ear now are giving him the best advice. Frankly, if things get worse then I believe it is time for the Giants to consider moving him out of town...preferably for a top line defender or significant draft picks or whatever. Like I said, we can finish 6-10 without him.
I also hear he is really a good guy and a good teammate but he has to translate that to the field. I sincerely hope he does. If he wasn't a target before, he will be now. Every team will try to upset him and get him off his game.
In conclusion, let's remember something...he has yet to score a TD this year, he has dropped passes, he has been fined numerous times and he has put the focus on himself as opposed to his team. Whether he agrees with that or not, that is the perception and as we all know perception is often reality.
To me, this is a turning point in our season...one way or the other. Obviously, I hope it is the right way.
But Ill come here and say Beckham was the man this game (just so BigBlueShock can see that I cheer for OBJ when he dominates.)
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throws a temper tantrum every week on the sidelines when he's playing. That just makes him a competitor though...not a thug.
Its fairly easy to distinguish the difference between Tom Brady's behavior and Odell Beckhams.
Oh, ok. So when Brady throws his helmet, screams and yells into the face of players - he's what...just a normal guy? Beckham has NEVER gotten into it with a player.
Who was that launching himself headfirst into Norman? An imposter?
if the camera showed him just sitting on the bench and looked like he didnt care every fan here who is ripping him, would be ripping him for not caring...
everyone always says how they hate players who are happy and smiling after a losz, now you have a player that is pissed off after a loss and is showing how frusrtrated he is with the losing and you hate him for it
The crews that cover the games are pretty clearly instructed to keep cameras on him at all times and try to catch any hint of this stuff.. it sucks. Then as soon as he gives them something, they replay it 50 times in super slow mo before the next 5 commercial breaks.
He needs to keep his cool but it would be nice if FOX/ESPN/etc could just worry about covering the actual game.
Launch their helmet into an opponent
Rack up personal fouls
Punch a kickers net
and have the word "distraction" included in a sentence by both the HC and QB . . .
. . . isn't passionate.
ok let me ask you this if he is jumping around on the sideline and trying to get his teammates going and hr is frustrated because the team is not playing well, you going to rip him?
let me ask you where is the line?
Launch their helmet into an opponent
Rack up personal fouls
Punch a kickers net
and have the word "distraction" included in a sentence by both the HC and QB . . .
. . . isn't passionate.
how many personal foul penalties does beckham have in his career?
where did eli call beckham a distraction? please i would love to see that quote
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Cry on the sidelines
Launch their helmet into an opponent
Rack up personal fouls
Punch a kickers net
and have the word "distraction" included in a sentence by both the HC and QB . . .
. . . isn't passionate.
how many personal foul penalties does beckham have in his career?
where did eli call beckham a distraction? please i would love to see that quote
How did you miss this? It's been everywhere
"[Beckham] needs to control his emotions better and become less of a distraction to himself and to his teammates," McAdoo said Monday on a conference call with reporters. "It's our job to help him with that process and maturing."
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Cry on the sidelines
Launch their helmet into an opponent
Rack up personal fouls
Punch a kickers net
and have the word "distraction" included in a sentence by both the HC and QB . . .
. . . isn't passionate.
how many personal foul penalties does beckham have in his career?
where did eli call beckham a distraction? please i would love to see that quote
He has gotten 6 fifteen yard penalties.
2 - taunting
3 - unnecessary roughness
1 - unsportsmanlike conduct.
the other 2 taunting are from the rams game his rookie year, where he was getting head hunted by the rams because he was torching them...
3 unsportsmanlike were all in one game and we all can agree he went apeshit that game
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Cry on the sidelines
Launch their helmet into an opponent
Rack up personal fouls
Punch a kickers net
and have the word "distraction" included in a sentence by both the HC and QB . . .
. . . isn't passionate.
how many personal foul penalties does beckham have in his career?
where did eli call beckham a distraction? please i would love to see that quote
How did you miss this? It's been everywhere
"[Beckham] needs to control his emotions better and become less of a distraction to himself and to his teammates," McAdoo said Monday on a conference call with reporters. "It's our job to help him with that process and maturing."
thats mcadoo, where is eli which i asked for
Exactly, learn to DRAW the penalty, not commit one.
the other 2 taunting are from the rams game his rookie year, where he was getting head hunted by the rams because he was torching them...
3 unsportsmanlike were all in one game and we all can agree he went apeshit that game
One was from the Titans game his rookie year. However, what is not included is the fines he got for making personal fouls plays as well. Buffalo last year. Saints this year.
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In comment 13160306 Giants2012 said:
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Cry on the sidelines
Launch their helmet into an opponent
Rack up personal fouls
Punch a kickers net
and have the word "distraction" included in a sentence by both the HC and QB . . .
. . . isn't passionate.
how many personal foul penalties does beckham have in his career?
where did eli call beckham a distraction? please i would love to see that quote
How did you miss this? It's been everywhere
"[Beckham] needs to control his emotions better and become less of a distraction to himself and to his teammates," McAdoo said Monday on a conference call with reporters. "It's our job to help him with that process and maturing."
thats mcadoo, where is eli which i asked for
He said on WFAN when Francesa asked if he was a distraction. Eli said "it can be a distraction".
Sounds to me like you endorse all this BS? Kinda surprising. Maybe the entire sideline can start crying, launching themselves into others helmets, etc. Any OBj antic can be followed up by more than just Richburg defending him. The whole sidelines and field be in chaos, i mean passion.
funny his teammates are coming out and defending him including eli yesterday but no mention of that
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called by the field judge from 30 yards away which everyone has called bullshit...
the other 2 taunting are from the rams game his rookie year, where he was getting head hunted by the rams because he was torching them...
3 unsportsmanlike were all in one game and we all can agree he went apeshit that game
One was from the Titans game his rookie year. However, what is not included is the fines he got for making personal fouls plays as well. Buffalo last year. Saints this year.
ahh your right forgot about that one...
i didnt bring up fines because he specifically asked for persobal fouls that costed his team yards...
funny his teammates are coming out and defending him including eli yesterday but no mention of that
I can't slower so I'll just repeat
Maybe the entire sideline (meaning the whole team can follow the passionate OBJ's lead and) can start crying, launching themselves into others helmets, etc. Any OBj antic can be followed up by more than just Richburg defending him. The whole sidelines and field can be in chaos, i mean passion
If you can't read it again, not sure what to tell you.
The one thing I worry about is the OPI's. He does get away with a lot, speficlally shots to the head. AGain, its probably frustration, but he needs to be careful of them as well.
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seriously over exagerate much....
funny his teammates are coming out and defending him including eli yesterday but no mention of that
I can't slower so I'll just repeat
Maybe the entire sideline (meaning the whole team can follow the passionate OBJ's lead and) can start crying, launching themselves into others helmets, etc. Any OBj antic can be followed up by more than just Richburg defending him. The whole sidelines and field can be in chaos, i mean passion
If you can't read it again, not sure what to tell you.
first off richbrug was defending shepard not beckham get that right and he did not get a penalty for the hit he got a penalty for the bullshit taunt...
secondly having 1 guy on the sideline screaming and yelling is not going to cause the entire team to start doing the same thing...
maybe you should start listening to former players and not espn analysts who have their own agenda
The one thing I worry about is the OPI's. He does get away with a lot, speficlally shots to the head. AGain, its probably frustration, but he needs to be careful of them as well.
i agree with this, i think in that final series against washington he came onto the field to amped up and tried to make a crushing block and it was to early...
the vaccaro one is the one that worries me because i didnt see what preceded it and i cant tell what caused it, it seemed like everything else that went on that game was just your normal hand fighting
maybe you should start listening to former players and not espn analysts who have their own agenda
Never listen or watch ESPN but perhaps you could listen to the Head Coach, the ex-head coach and the current QB as it appears you fully endorse this nonsense as passion.
Nothing wrong with opponents getting in his head and fans perceiving him as a baby either.
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maybe you should start listening to former players and not espn analysts who have their own agenda
Never listen or watch ESPN but perhaps you could listen to the Head Coach, the ex-head coach and the current QB as it appears you fully endorse this nonsense as passion.
maybe you should read back, i dont fully endorse the head hunting or anythinh like that...
what doesnt bother me is the screaming and yelling on the sideline and if you go back it doesnt bother eli or mcadoo...
eli said yesterday him and beckham talk every day and the only thing that bothers him is if he gets a 15 yard penalty the other stuff it doesnt bother him...
mcadoo said same thing and took it a step furthet and said it is his fault for not gett him involvdd earlier and said he has to be careful because he likes the fiery angry competitor that beckham is...
so it seems your 2 top witnesses have changed their tune and back led beckham
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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH OBJ.
Nothing wrong with opponents getting in his head and fans perceiving him as a baby either.
What is your end game? Next year is a contract year unless the Giants pick up his option. Do you want him to go to another team?
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maybe you should start listening to former players and not espn analysts who have their own agenda
Never listen or watch ESPN but perhaps you could listen to the Head Coach, the ex-head coach and the current QB as it appears you fully endorse this nonsense as passion.
maybe you should read back, i dont fully endorse the head hunting or anythinh like that...
what doesnt bother me is the screaming and yelling on the sideline and if you go back it doesnt bother eli or mcadoo...
eli said yesterday him and beckham talk every day and the only thing that bothers him is if he gets a 15 yard penalty the other stuff it doesnt bother him...
mcadoo said same thing and took it a step furthet and said it is his fault for not gett him involvdd earlier and said he has to be careful because he likes the fiery angry competitor that beckham is...
so it seems your 2 top witnesses have changed their tune and back led beckham
Heaven for bid they didn't change their tune. Obj needs that warm blanket. We've all seen the tears and temper tantrums. Time to help him mature and show love b/c he obviously isn't growing up on his own.
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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH OBJ.
Nothing wrong with opponents getting in his head and fans perceiving him as a baby either.
Rarely has there been a more misplaced fan obsession than this OBJ nonsense.....IMO, the only reason Mcadoo mentioned him as a "distraction" is because he and TC took so much heat for not doing something during the Panthers game so he reacted accordingly when asked a question ....does he need to deal with things better on the field? Yes....but the amount of angst by fans over this is absurd....he's fine, just needs to adjust to how he's being played on the field but he's a great teammate with an incredible competitive passion for the game and that absolutely isn't a bad thing....
isnt that what we want from eli? to help lead the young players on this team, isnt that walhat we expect from a champion and veteran of this team?
not every player is going to be jeter in new york and deal with the media perfectly...
when you were 23 you think you could handle the media and cameras on you?
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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH OBJ.
Nothing wrong with opponents getting in his head and fans perceiving him as a baby either.
What is your end game? Next year is a contract year unless the Giants pick up his option. Do you want him to go to another team?
Of course not. Much like i didn't want to see Shockey in a different uniform. I'm sure Vikings fans didn't want to see Moss elsewhere, 49ers fans loved Owens, etc, etc, etc.
Will anything south of $100 million guaranteed be perceived as an insult to OBJ? Who knows? All we know now is what we see and he doesn't appear too mentally stable. You don't let a player like this walk but you don't count on him for a career either if this crap continues.
isnt that what we want from eli? to help lead the young players on this team, isnt that walhat we expect from a champion and veteran of this team?
not every player is going to be jeter in new york and deal with the media perfectly...
when you were 23 you think you could handle the media and cameras on you?
So it's Eli's fault? Beckham isn't a rookie. It's his third year. Let's all coddle the third year vet? Think Noah Sydergaard was crying in July let alone last night? OBJ wants to dance, color his hair, showboat in pregames and then goes ape shit if somebody bumps him on the field. Sometimes the loudest is the weakest and so far it appears some believe others have to help Odell who doesn't appear willing to grow up himself.
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who was thrust into super stardom needs help dealing with the media and needs leadership from his qb...
isnt that what we want from eli? to help lead the young players on this team, isnt that walhat we expect from a champion and veteran of this team?
not every player is going to be jeter in new york and deal with the media perfectly...
when you were 23 you think you could handle the media and cameras on you?
So it's Eli's fault? Beckham isn't a rookie. It's his third year. Let's all coddle the third year vet? Think Noah Sydergaard was crying in July let alone last night? OBJ wants to dance, color his hair, showboat in pregames and then goes ape shit if somebody bumps him on the field. Sometimes the loudest is the weakest and so far it appears some believe others have to help Odell who doesn't appear willing to grow up himself.
Right, let's just throw Odell under the bus. Because what does your team having your back matter anymore? Oh but Drew Brees into Shockey! So what? Shockey was an asshole. Odell from all accounts is well liked. He's not the malcontent Shockey was.
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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH OBJ.
Nothing wrong with opponents getting in his head and fans perceiving him as a baby either.
What is your end game? Next year is a contract year unless the Giants pick up his option. Do you want him to go to another team?
Of course not. Much like i didn't want to see Shockey in a different uniform. I'm sure Vikings fans didn't want to see Moss elsewhere, 49ers fans loved Owens, etc, etc, etc.
Will anything south of $100 million guaranteed be perceived as an insult to OBJ? Who knows? All we know now is what we see and he doesn't appear too mentally stable. You don't let a player like this walk but you don't count on him for a career either if this crap continues.
Right to the money and an early jab at players greed.
If I was OBJ and my contract was up I would sign somewhere else. Even for less money. Who needs the shit he is getting from the media? And with such great support from fans like you, I'd run to a smaller market team.
I'm not saying he can't be criticized but constructive criticism is more appropriate. This thread, and others, appear to be bashing sessions against him. Not just you but many others as well.
He is 23 years old and needs to mature. That is big news. Imagine someone 23 needing to mature.
Lay off the kid, he doesn't need any more pressure, especially from supposed fans.
If I was OBJ and my contract was up I would sign somewhere else. Even for less money. Who needs the shit he is getting from the media? And with such great support from fans like you, I'd run to a smaller market team.
He is 23 years old and needs to mature. That is big news. Imagine someone 23 needing to mature.
Lay off the kid, he doesn't need any more pressure, especially from supposed fans.
Blame the media, blame the fans but don't blame O'Dell who, the QB even said, "brings this on himself"
NEWSFLASH and Reality check: Neither the media nor the fans are on that football field. This dynamic player has burnt many opponent since coming into this league. For every score OBJ makes there is an opponent who gets burned and could sometimes be an bit embarrassed. For every opponent who doesn't want to be featured on ESPN getting burned by Beckham a solution has been discovered. Jam him, talk to him and watch him self destruct.
The opponents are causing this to happen. Not the media and not the fans. It's the opponents doing this to the Beckham. The demonstrative dancer, with the colored hair, making one handed catches in the pre games isn't liking opponents getting in face, in his head and are preventing his play from burning them. That's not on the media or the fans as every defender is using what Beckham is giving him.
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If I was OBJ and my contract was up I would sign somewhere else. Even for less money. Who needs the shit he is getting from the media? And with such great support from fans like you, I'd run to a smaller market team.
He is 23 years old and needs to mature. That is big news. Imagine someone 23 needing to mature.
Lay off the kid, he doesn't need any more pressure, especially from supposed fans.
Blame the media, blame the fans but don't blame O'Dell who, the QB even said, "brings this on himself"
NEWSFLASH and Reality check: Neither the media nor the fans are on that football field. This dynamic player has burnt many opponent since coming into this league. For every score OBJ makes there is an opponent who gets burned and could sometimes be an bit embarrassed. For every opponent who doesn't want to be featured on ESPN getting burned by Beckham a solution has been discovered. Jam him, talk to him and watch him self destruct.
The opponents are causing this to happen. Not the media and not the fans. It's the opponents doing this to the Beckham. The demonstrative dancer, with the colored hair, making one handed catches in the pre games isn't liking opponents getting in face, in his head and are preventing his play from burning them. That's not on the media or the fans as every defender is using what Beckham is giving him.
You're right....it's the incessant harping on it that's on the media and some fans....not a big deal, give it a rest...
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If I was OBJ and my contract was up I would sign somewhere else. Even for less money. Who needs the shit he is getting from the media? And with such great support from fans like you, I'd run to a smaller market team.
He is 23 years old and needs to mature. That is big news. Imagine someone 23 needing to mature.
Lay off the kid, he doesn't need any more pressure, especially from supposed fans.
Blame the media, blame the fans but don't blame O'Dell who, the QB even said, "brings this on himself"
NEWSFLASH and Reality check: Neither the media nor the fans are on that football field. This dynamic player has burnt many opponent since coming into this league. For every score OBJ makes there is an opponent who gets burned and could sometimes be an bit embarrassed. For every opponent who doesn't want to be featured on ESPN getting burned by Beckham a solution has been discovered. Jam him, talk to him and watch him self destruct.
The opponents are causing this to happen. Not the media and not the fans. It's the opponents doing this to the Beckham. The demonstrative dancer, with the colored hair, making one handed catches in the pre games isn't liking opponents getting in face, in his head and are preventing his play from burning them. That's not on the media or the fans as every defender is using what Beckham is giving him.
I never said that he was not to blame. I said constructive criticism was appropriate.
What kind of working environment do you have?. When you make a mistake, and everyone does, does the entire company and it's shareholders dump on you? Would that be healthy? Is it appropriate? Does it help you not to repeat it?
Blame the media, blame the fans but don't blame O'Dell who, the QB even said, "brings this on himself"
NEWSFLASH and Reality check: Neither the media nor the fans are on that football field. This dynamic player has burnt many opponent since coming into this league. For every score OBJ makes there is an opponent who gets burned and could sometimes be an bit embarrassed. For every opponent who doesn't want to be featured on ESPN getting burned by Beckham a solution has been discovered. Jam him, talk to him and watch him self destruct.
The opponents are causing this to happen. Not the media and not the fans. It's the opponents doing this to the Beckham. The demonstrative dancer, with the colored hair, making one handed catches in the pre games isn't liking opponents getting in face, in his head and are preventing his play from burning them. That's not on the media or the fans as every defender is using what Beckham is giving him.
I never said that he was not to blame. I said constructive criticism was appropriate.
What kind of working environment do you have?. When you make a mistake, and everyone does, does the entire company and it's shareholders dump on you? Would that be healthy? Is it appropriate? Does it help you not to repeat it?
If I had a temper tantrum, started crying and punching desks they would fire me. Tell me your in a place where temper tantrums are accepted and met with a warm blanket
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Blame the media, blame the fans but don't blame O'Dell who, the QB even said, "brings this on himself"
NEWSFLASH and Reality check: Neither the media nor the fans are on that football field. This dynamic player has burnt many opponent since coming into this league. For every score OBJ makes there is an opponent who gets burned and could sometimes be an bit embarrassed. For every opponent who doesn't want to be featured on ESPN getting burned by Beckham a solution has been discovered. Jam him, talk to him and watch him self destruct.
The opponents are causing this to happen. Not the media and not the fans. It's the opponents doing this to the Beckham. The demonstrative dancer, with the colored hair, making one handed catches in the pre games isn't liking opponents getting in face, in his head and are preventing his play from burning them. That's not on the media or the fans as every defender is using what Beckham is giving him.
I never said that he was not to blame. I said constructive criticism was appropriate.
What kind of working environment do you have?. When you make a mistake, and everyone does, does the entire company and it's shareholders dump on you? Would that be healthy? Is it appropriate? Does it help you not to repeat it?
If I had a temper tantrum, started crying and punching desks they would fire me. Tell me your in a place where temper tantrums are accepted and met with a warm blanket
I think you are missing the point. What OBJ did does not get one fired from the NFL. And you know that.
So back to my question.
What kind of working environment do you have?. When you make a NON FIRING mistake, and everyone does, does the entire company and it's shareholders dump on you? Would that be healthy? Is it appropriate? Does it help you not to repeat it?
In a normal world yes. In the NFL no.
Do you really think that the behavior and actions on a football field should be comparable to a white collar office?
The question is a real one. You have an employee who screwed up. Agreed? OBJ screwed up, plain and simple. The question now is how to proceed.
You can fire him which ain't gonna happen. Or you can correct his behavior.
My question is this. Does all the negative crap being thrown at OBJ help or hurt the effort to correct the behavior?
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lol..Stop trying to obfuscate the issue. He threw a temper tantrum at work in front of all the employees and the public. If you do did this everyone would be talking about AND your employer or boss would need to make a PUBLIC statement about behavior. Failure to do so means you condone it. You must let your other employees know the behavior is unacceptable. If you throw tantrum in private it stays private. Acting like a toddler in fron of your employees, staium and cameras require a public response. TLDR act like a fucking man.
In a normal world yes. In the NFL no.
Do you really think that the behavior and actions on a football field should be comparable to a white collar office?
The question is a real one. You have an employee who screwed up. Agreed? OBJ screwed up, plain and simple. The question now is how to proceed.
You can fire him which ain't gonna happen. Or you can correct his behavior.
My question is this. Does all the negative crap being thrown at OBJ help or hurt the effort to correct the behavior?
Reasonable question. I will not take the time to link the publics quotes from Eli, McAdoo and some teammates. None of those quotes were them making statements. They were responding to questions from reporters. I feel they were all appropriate. The responses were from leaders, everybody on the team pays attention. They basically told him to chill, it is whta they should do. They were helping him. If he says "fuck this, I am outta here when my contract ends" because they expect him not to hurt the the team with stupid penalties...buh bye. They treaded very lightly, a lesser player would have been cut. He got the special treatment.
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lol..Stop trying to obfuscate the issue. He threw a temper tantrum at work in front of all the employees and the public. If you do did this everyone would be talking about AND your employer or boss would need to make a PUBLIC statement about behavior. Failure to do so means you condone it. You must let your other employees know the behavior is unacceptable. If you throw tantrum in private it stays private. Acting like a toddler in fron of your employees, staium and cameras require a public response. TLDR act like a fucking man.
In a normal world yes. In the NFL no.
Do you really think that the behavior and actions on a football field should be comparable to a white collar office?
The question is a real one. You have an employee who screwed up. Agreed? OBJ screwed up, plain and simple. The question now is how to proceed.
You can fire him which ain't gonna happen. Or you can correct his behavior.
My question is this. Does all the negative crap being thrown at OBJ help or hurt the effort to correct the behavior?
Reasonable question. I will not take the time to link the publics quotes from Eli, McAdoo and some teammates. None of those quotes were them making statements. They were responding to questions from reporters. I feel they were all appropriate. The responses were from leaders, everybody on the team pays attention. They basically told him to chill, it is whta they should do. They were helping him. If he says "fuck this, I am outta here when my contract ends" because they expect him not to hurt the the team with stupid penalties...buh bye. They treaded very lightly, a lesser player would have been cut. He got the special treatment.
Wow...this topic is still relevant? I thought this shit got wrapped up yesterday and FINALLY got put to bed...enough already, pop in Europe '72 and vape up...you'll feel a lot better.