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OC Sullivan: DBs afraid of Beckham

EddieNYG : 10/6/2016 1:49 pm
And that's why they're trying to get in his head.

Can't say there is no truth to this and glad Beckhams teammates and coaches are publicly defending him.

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Paul Schwartz & #8207;@NYPost_Schwartz 1m1 minute ago East Rutherford, NJ
OC Mike Sullivan says defenders try to get in Odell's head because they are afraid of him.


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Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 2m2 minutes ago
Giants OC Mike Sullivan going off on DBs playing mind games with Beckham. "They're not confident enough in their abilities, not courageous."
There's truth to it...  
arcarsenal : 10/6/2016 1:52 pm : link
But what needs to happen is Odell is the one who needs to fully understand this. He needs to figure out that they can't play mind games or use bullshit tactics on him if he just keeps beating them on the field by getting open, catching the football and making plays.

These DB's can't say anything if he just puts his head down and beats them like a drum. He's more than capable. Just channel that passion and aggression the right way and everything will change.
Well...  
ryanmkeane : 10/6/2016 1:52 pm : link
no shit. But...it's working.
So how about targeting Beckham in the passing game  
Mr. Bungle : 10/6/2016 1:53 pm : link
sometime before the 3rd quarter, instead of giving these "scared" DBs time to work Beckham's head?

Let Beckham torch these guys on the very first possession, and he'll have the upper hand the rest of the game.
Sorry  
Josh in the City : 10/6/2016 1:58 pm : link
but the reason they do it is very simple. It helps their team and Beckham has proven unable to deal with it. It will only stop if/when OBJ stop reacting to it and continues to make plays on the field. I saw a quote earlier (forgot where) that called it "The Book of Norman." DB's know that it's easily to psychologically throw OBJ off his game and I'm sure they're going to be coached to do it until it stops working.
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EddieNYG : 10/6/2016 1:59 pm : link
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Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 12m12 minutes ago
Sully is HOT on this topic. Clearly irked by the extra curriculars.
RE: So how about targeting Beckham in the passing game  
Brown Recluse : 10/6/2016 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13160748 Mr. Bungle said:
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sometime before the 3rd quarter, instead of giving these "scared" DBs time to work Beckham's head?

Let Beckham torch these guys on the very first possession, and he'll have the upper hand the rest of the game.


Exactly. They could do a little more to get the ball in his hands early. Not saying they should make Odell's feelings factor into every gameplan but he's by far the most dangerous player on the team. Let him work.
RE: Sorry  
arcarsenal : 10/6/2016 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13160751 Josh in the City said:
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but the reason they do it is very simple. It helps their team and Beckham has proven unable to deal with it. It will only stop if/when OBJ stop reacting to it and continues to make plays on the field. I saw a quote earlier (forgot where) that called it "The Book of Norman." DB's know that it's easily to psychologically throw OBJ off his game and I'm sure they're going to be coached to do it until it stops working.


How well did the "Book of Norman" work in Week 3 when Beckham caught 7 passes for 122 yards.... against Josh Norman?
Good because they're not really scared of the offensive game plan  
Mason : 10/6/2016 2:08 pm : link
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Sullivan is just trying to bolster OBJ's confidence ever since  
Jimmy Googs : 10/6/2016 2:10 pm : link
he got his ass whipped by that kicking net...
Redskins defenders still wondering why the Giants were throwing to RBs  
Mason : 10/6/2016 2:11 pm : link
instead of down the field against their depleted secondary.
RE: RE: Sorry  
Keith : 10/6/2016 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13160762 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13160751 Josh in the City said:


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but the reason they do it is very simple. It helps their team and Beckham has proven unable to deal with it. It will only stop if/when OBJ stop reacting to it and continues to make plays on the field. I saw a quote earlier (forgot where) that called it "The Book of Norman." DB's know that it's easily to psychologically throw OBJ off his game and I'm sure they're going to be coached to do it until it stops working.



How well did the "Book of Norman" work in Week 3 when Beckham caught 7 passes for 122 yards.... against Josh Norman?


It could have been so much more too. Eli wasn't throwing to OBJ because that's not where the coverage dictated. He finally started giving the kid the ball late in the game and OBJ destroyed Norman at will. If Eli had the balls(no pun intended), he would have attacked Norman early and often.
I like this  
EddieNYG : 10/6/2016 2:20 pm : link
The Giants need to get OBJ's head right. Sticking up for him is the best way to do it. At the same time they're telling him to be smart, but they're sticking up for their teammate.

OBJ seems to taking the advice seriously.

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Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 17m17 minutes ago
Odell Beckham says he has to control himself better, set a better example: "What I'm doing is not what I'd want a 6-year-old boy doing."
RE: RE: RE: Sorry  
arcarsenal : 10/6/2016 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13160776 Keith said:
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In comment 13160762 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13160751 Josh in the City said:


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but the reason they do it is very simple. It helps their team and Beckham has proven unable to deal with it. It will only stop if/when OBJ stop reacting to it and continues to make plays on the field. I saw a quote earlier (forgot where) that called it "The Book of Norman." DB's know that it's easily to psychologically throw OBJ off his game and I'm sure they're going to be coached to do it until it stops working.



How well did the "Book of Norman" work in Week 3 when Beckham caught 7 passes for 122 yards.... against Josh Norman?



It could have been so much more too. Eli wasn't throwing to OBJ because that's not where the coverage dictated. He finally started giving the kid the ball late in the game and OBJ destroyed Norman at will. If Eli had the balls(no pun intended), he would have attacked Norman early and often.


Yup. He was getting open at will against him even with safety help. We could (and should) have exploited that all day long. He could have had a day like Julio just did against the Panthers.
Short Daily News Piece  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/6/2016 3:02 pm : link
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Giants offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan challenged all of the NFL cornerbacks who have gotten under Odell Beckham Jr.'s skin on Thursday, saying that players who choose to try and get Beckham off his game are "afraid" of him and don't believe enough in themselves to play him man to man without any extra antics.

"They're afraid to match up against him one-on-one, mano a mano, if you will," Sullivan said. "If that's the approach, when you do your rankings, obviously the guy's not courageous enough or brave enough of man enough to go ahead and play it straight up."

Cornerbacks who are baiting Odell Beckham Jr. are afraid and not man enough to defend Giants WR: Mike Sullivan - ( New Window )
Good for him  
Bill L : 10/6/2016 3:17 pm : link
Sullivan is doing what he should be doing. DOing what the head coach and lal his teammates should be doing, actually. Not only standing up for his player but trying to chance the narrative, influence not only the defensive backs but the referees, media, and league office.

The whole team should...as part of their dang team responsibility...go after the cheap shot/out of bounds and after the play hit/officials not caring if he gets injured and their biased targeting only of him narrative...until it becomes a headline issue. That pushes Odell out of the being the "problem" to being the "victim".

That's what helps the protege and teammate.
RE: Well...  
EricJ : 10/6/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13160747 ryanmkeane said:
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no shit. But...it's working.

+1

...and I said this last year even before the game vs Norman. I could see him jumping up and semi retaliating at virtually everything. He was getting distracted by the opposing player. Not only with what they did to him but also what they said.

It absolutely is working.
To be fair, if someone threatens to end my career  
Bill L : 10/6/2016 3:22 pm : link
or injure me with a baseball bat or lobs gay slurs (racial, religious, parentage, whatever...) at me, I'm going to react too.
I'm sure they are also  
Pete in MD : 10/6/2016 3:29 pm : link
sending video clips to the league office of the late hits on ODB.
they should target OBJ in practise  
gtt350 : 10/6/2016 4:05 pm : link
until he busts out laughing
If you know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/6/2016 4:16 pm : link
you are affecting other players, it gives you an edge - but he's not taking advantage of it. He's getting too wrapped up in it and everyone is off their game because of it.

It does no good to make others afraid if you don't draw stupid penalties or torch them. In fact the opposite is happening.
RE: To be fair, if someone threatens to end my career  
EricJ : 10/6/2016 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13160901 Bill L said:
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or injure me with a baseball bat or lobs gay slurs (racial, religious, parentage, whatever...) at me, I'm going to react too.


Baseball bat aside, then you would never make it as a professional athlete. That talk is non-stop. The great ones know how to deal with it and channel it into motivation. Those who cannot comprehend what will happen if they "react to it" will end up with more problems and sub par performances.
Yes I  
XBRONX : 10/6/2016 4:23 pm : link
hear DB's are wearing diapers when they go against Odell.
RE: I'm sure they are also  
mdc1 : 10/6/2016 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13160914 Pete in MD said:
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sending video clips to the league office of the late hits on ODB.


They don't need to. Everything is filmed and they look at it. Not sure what this sentence means actually.
I think everyone knows the Giants history of overrating players  
ghost718 : 10/6/2016 4:51 pm : link
Scrubs become starters,average players become super stars.Well, what about the good player? Your watching it right now. This guy Beckham could take over Johnny's office.
Just so I am clear.  
Keith : 10/6/2016 5:14 pm : link
Are you suggesting that the Giants are overrating OBJ and that he's merely good?
No I don't think he's a great player  
ghost718 : 10/6/2016 5:24 pm : link
I don't think great players act like him
Ok then,  
Keith : 10/6/2016 5:26 pm : link
well I strongly disagree. I think he's a generational talent who is still young(in the NFL) and will mature and improve. I don't even think he's great. He's next level up.
They are even more afraid of Will Tye and runs up the middle  
Vanzetti : 10/6/2016 7:30 pm : link
or so one would gather from the Giants gameplans
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/7/2016 8:13 am : link
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I think everyone knows the Giants history of overrating players
ghost718 : 10/6/2016 4:51 pm : link : reply
Scrubs become starters,average players become super stars.


Can you even give a few examples of this babbling nonsense?

Beckham is overrated? Are you fucking kidding me? He is either the top or in the top 3 for WR's first two seasons with TD's, receptions, yards, etc.

RE: No I don't think he's a great player  
Big Blue '56 : 10/7/2016 8:49 am : link
In comment 13161043 ghost718 said:
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I don't think great players act like him


Like Randy Moss or Terrell Owens other GREAT players?
FatMan at GoldenCorral  
ghost718 : 10/7/2016 10:04 am : link
You guys always want examples,but deep down,we know you don't.You don't want to do any work.Just want to keep complaining.

That's only way I can see when it comes to something as easy as looking up draft records.

and as far Terrell Owens,Moss,Dez Bryant. Yeah they may complain and whine like OBJ,but I never saw one of them spear a DB from the back.
It would..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/7/2016 10:08 am : link
have been easier to just say you don't have any fucking examples.
wait beckham is not a great player?  
nygiants16 : 10/7/2016 10:19 am : link
everyone thinks he is having shot year this year and he has the same exact stats through 4 games as last year minus 2 tds...

how is the guy who has broken almost every rookie record for a wr not a great player?

if he is not a great player then why is he getting doubled and triple teamed?
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