Everything was done for the Giants to climb back in this one. The best qb this franchise has ever seen has let this team down this year. 5 tds 5 games... Missing tye wide open. Beckham has every right to be frustrated. Ravens game is a must win. Hopefully this offense can get out of its own way.
It is very possible to win 3 of the next 4 games bringing us to 5-4 with the Bears and Browns as our next two opponents. We can turn this season around. Things aren't clicking right now but if we get some guys healthy, that may change. All is not lost, but Id wish we would stop with the mental mistakes and make other teams beat us at our best.
To beat this someone must win match-up underneath this deep zone. TE for example. Or, run the ball effectively. Giants can do neither successfully so teams stick with this d.
Then when teams do go single high safety, opening up one on one for someone outside, it is jailbreak city and there is no time to throw.
I thought that pretty much summed it up.
It is very possible to win 3 of the next 4 games bringing us to 5-4 with the Bears and Browns as our next two opponents. We can turn this season around. Things aren't clicking right now but if we get some guys healthy, that may change. All is not lost, but Id wish we would stop with the mental mistakes and make other teams beat us at our best.
And we can easily lose the next 4, all tough games
It is very possible to win 3 of the next 4 games bringing us to 5-4 with the Bears and Browns as our next two opponents. We can turn this season around. Things aren't clicking right now but if we get some guys healthy, that may change. All is not lost, but Id wish we would stop with the mental mistakes and make other teams beat us at our best.
3 of the next 4? This team almost HAS to be 7-4 heading into Pittsburgh in week 13 if you have any thoughts about the playoffs. 10 wins should do it this year. Assuming we lose that game to fall to 7-5, they'd have to go 3-1 over the last 4 (Lions, Cowboys, @Eagles, @Redskins) to get there. That being said, this is the Giants. They'll likely go 3-3 or 2-4 in this stretch and basically fuck it all up beforehand.
he took on Flowers Whiff ....
Eli was inaccurate tonight he must have been mystified
watching Rodgers waiting 10 seconds of protection ....
It's still the O-line lack of running game and a
invisible game plan ..
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His worst game when it wasn't a blowout in years. His fumbling is out if control.
It is very possible to win 3 of the next 4 games bringing us to 5-4 with the Bears and Browns as our next two opponents. We can turn this season around. Things aren't clicking right now but if we get some guys healthy, that may change. All is not lost, but Id wish we would stop with the mental mistakes and make other teams beat us at our best.
3 of the next 4? This team almost HAS to be 7-4 heading into Pittsburgh in week 13 if you have any thoughts about the playoffs. 10 wins should do it this year. Assuming we lose that game to fall to 7-5, they'd have to go 3-1 over the last 4 (Lions, Cowboys, @Eagles, @Redskins) to get there. That being said, this is the Giants. They'll likely go 3-3 or 2-4 in this stretch and basically fuck it all up beforehand.
Well, yeah. Thats basically what I said. Win three of the next four going into the Bears and the Browns which would bring us to 7-4, assuming we beat two of the worst teams in the league.
Maybe that's now changing and we can begin to figure out a plan forward. Because we can't win games with our QB playing like this.
Maybe he's just had it. Papa, Banks and Cross all went off on Eli at the beginning of the third quarter. Papa was like, "If you think Eli's playing good football, well he's not. mediocre at best." Cross and Banks agreed.
On a hopeful note Papa said that Eli just didn't seem the same after he took that big hit against Washington. If we can isolate it to be the effect of a hit, then Eli can recover from that.
Eli probably doesn't really think that he is playing poorly.
The first thing to do is protect him at all costs. Max protect. Just send out three receivers. Whatever.
Here is what I saw:
Aaron Rodgers had a shit game, threw 2 picks and lots of forced incomplete passes and he had 10 seconds to throw each play. i mean you saw it if you watched the game.
Eli Manning had to avoid getting sacked 10 times and even playing with hesitation, he still had fumbles.
Now...the people who saw those fumbles and thought the were on the QB....you are trying to make it his fault. Why? Blindside hits to a QB already looking for the rush...yeah hes the only QB who fumbles on those...
Why did it happen? Because lots of people hear Rashad Jennings and Shane Vereen are hurt and think its no big deal. But half their jobs on a team with a franchise QB is to block. THis is why they dont just put random guys back there.
No he's not a mediocre anything. No one is a 2 time SB MVP who will finish in the top 5 of damn near everything. But why do people want to make this about ELi yet again? They had no run game, no RB picking up blitzers, a TE dropping a TD, no adjustments to use playaction and get the ball downfield....
and yet lo and behold who made a running laser throw to the crossbar and scored a td when his team played harder and more cohesively?
Stop blaming the best thing about this team. It'll help make it more fun for you.
tom brady can scramble? peyton manning scrambled?
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Elite is his lack of athleticism. The difference in the game last night was that Rodgers could pull the ball down and run for first downs and consistently escape pressure with his athleticism buying time and finding an open receiver when the play breaks down. In contrast Eli gets sacked or throws the ball in a panic.
tom brady can scramble? peyton manning scrambled?
Ignore him. Same schitick for 3 years now. Eli's best throw, the TD, was on a scramble and a play where he got annihilated.
Here is what I saw:
Aaron Rodgers had a shit game, threw 2 picks and lots of forced incomplete passes and he had 10 seconds to throw each play. i mean you saw it if you watched the game.
Eli Manning had to avoid getting sacked 10 times and even playing with hesitation, he still had fumbles.
Now...the people who saw those fumbles and thought the were on the QB....you are trying to make it his fault. Why? Blindside hits to a QB already looking for the rush...yeah hes the only QB who fumbles on those...
Why did it happen? Because lots of people hear Rashad Jennings and Shane Vereen are hurt and think its no big deal. But half their jobs on a team with a franchise QB is to block. THis is why they dont just put random guys back there.
No he's not a mediocre anything. No one is a 2 time SB MVP who will finish in the top 5 of damn near everything. But why do people want to make this about ELi yet again? They had no run game, no RB picking up blitzers, a TE dropping a TD, no adjustments to use playaction and get the ball downfield....
and yet lo and behold who made a running laser throw to the crossbar and scored a td when his team played harder and more cohesively?
Stop blaming the best thing about this team. It'll help make it more fun for you.
Oh, knock it off.
Eli is not the first NY sports personality to earn criticism for his play. He won't be the last.
Has nothing to do with anyone being less of a fan to acknowledge he is playing poorly.
He get paid pretty fucking well. He gets accolades when the team wins (sometimes even in spite of him). Those are the benefits of being the top dog. There's another part of that too. And it's time to recognize that he's put together several shitty games in a row
, turning the ball over entirely too much and that he isn't absolved of responsibility.
He gets accolades when the team wins (sometimes even in spite of him).
Lol when has this team ever won anything in spite of him...?
He has no margin for error...look at Rodgers last night how was that throw to Jordy Nelson on their first TD? He actually made a play for his QB...
Because I remember several in years past.
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He gets accolades when the team wins (sometimes even in spite of him).
Lol when has this team ever won anything in spite of him...?
He has no margin for error...
This is just completely wrong.
Because I remember several in years past.
Maybe my memory is faulty so please correct me...which games are you referring to?
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He gets accolades when the team wins (sometimes even in spite of him).
Lol when has this team ever won anything in spite of him...?
He has no margin for error...look at Rodgers last night how was that throw to Jordy Nelson on their first TD? He actually made a play for his QB...
How fucking dumb. Odell had the most celebrated catch since David Tyree and routinely makes amazing catches. You can defend Eli without making shit up.
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He gets accolades when the team wins (sometimes even in spite of him).
Lol when has this team ever won anything in spite of him...?
He has no margin for error...look at Rodgers last night how was that throw to Jordy Nelson on their first TD? He actually made a play for his QB...
How fucking dumb. Odell had the most celebrated catch since David Tyree and routinely makes amazing catches. You can defend Eli without making shit up.
Well predictably the dunce chimes in...yes great catch but you still haven't answered the question but don't worry I don't expect you to...
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He gets accolades when the team wins (sometimes even in spite of him).
Lol when has this team ever won anything in spite of him...?
He has no margin for error...look at Rodgers last night how was that throw to Jordy Nelson on their first TD? He actually made a play for his QB...
How fucking dumb. Odell had the most celebrated catch since David Tyree and routinely makes amazing catches. You can defend Eli without making shit up.
Well predictably the dunce chimes in...yes great catch but you still haven't answered the question but don't worry I don't expect you to...
I don't have to overlook your lies to answer your question. You're making shot up.
Maybe that's now changing and we can begin to figure out a plan forward. Because we can't win games with our QB playing like this.
We know Eli can play at a high level which is why seeing him struggle this much is disconcerting. There were some easy plays to be had out there and the team didn't get it done. Not like I admire Chris Collinsworth but he was correct to say we struggle with "pitch and catch" stuff and that our LT was a trainwreck last night.
Really troubling is that now Defenses are just daring the Giant Offense to attack them and they simply can't. And with good field position all game long...
Another one off the top of my head is the SF game where he threw five picks and we lost by a touchdown in 2014. Some tough divisional losses late that season too.
Those two stick out like sore thumbs.
This is a very accurate statement. Many plays where it seemed Rodgers had time was a result of his ability to move, even if just a shift here or there, in the pocket creating space and time for himself. Eli just cannot do that.
Com'on, are they that good? They played the Bills, Browns, Jags, Raiders and Redskins.
I find it funny that people this he's done. But that's the way it is in today's media world. Hell, Aaron Rodgers was criticized last year by his own base.
I expect him to pull out of it and get back on track, but the OL and his staff needs to help him. The question is, can they?
2014 Stats: 63% compl % 4410 yds 30 TD's and 14 ints
2015 Stats: 62.6 compl % 4432 yds 35 TD's and 14 ints
Nice cherry picking...
This is a very accurate statement. Many plays where it seemed Rodgers had time was a result of his ability to move, even if just a shift here or there, in the pocket creating space and time for himself. Eli just cannot do that.
Did you even watch the game last night? Rodgers stood back there for 7 or 8 seconds with no pressure on multiple occasions...
Watch the TD throw to OBJ he scrambled and got crushed as he threw...
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This is a very accurate statement. Many plays where it seemed Rodgers had time was a result of his ability to move, even if just a shift here or there, in the pocket creating space and time for himself. Eli just cannot do that.
Did you even watch the game last night? Rodgers stood back there for 7 or 8 seconds with no pressure on multiple occasions...
Watch the TD throw to OBJ he scrambled and got crushed as he threw...
I did.
Watch Rodgers' footwork. Even a quick shuffle forward took 2 DEs out of a play. Other times, a quick roll to the right bought him several more seconds.
When Eli rolls, he tucks the ball down, and he takes longer to get it back into throwing position. Rodgers runs with the ball in a modified throwing position allowing him to make a quicker throw - it's just a trait of more mobile QBs.
Yes you are right in that several plays he just stood there. But almost as many plays a quick shift here and there opened up new lanes for him.
But to buy time in the pocket you need a pocket to start with...
50 - nearly wheel chair bound Peyton Manning
49 - Brady
48 - Wilson
47 - Flacco
46 - ELI
45 - Rodgers
44 -
42 - ELI
41 - Peyton Manning
40- Big Ben
With the exception of Wilson and Rodgers, where are the scrambling QB'S. Pocket passers win.
To beat this someone must win match-up underneath this deep zone. TE for example. Or, run the ball effectively. Giants can do neither successfully so teams stick with this d.
Then when teams do go single high safety, opening up one on one for someone outside, it is jailbreak city and there is no time to throw.
I thought that pretty much summed it up.
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Book is out on Giants stick with safeties in two deep zone to double outside guys
To beat this someone must win match-up underneath this deep zone. TE for example. Or, run the ball effectively. Giants can do neither successfully so teams stick with this d.
Then when teams do go single high safety, opening up one on one for someone outside, it is jailbreak city and there is no time to throw.
I thought that pretty much summed it up.
+1.
WHy can't our 3rd WR, the slot guy, do this too?
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Book is out on Giants stick with safeties in two deep zone to double outside guys
To beat this someone must win match-up underneath this deep zone. TE for example. Or, run the ball effectively. Giants can do neither successfully so teams stick with this d.
Then when teams do go single high safety, opening up one on one for someone outside, it is jailbreak city and there is no time to throw.
I thought that pretty much summed it up.
+1.
WHy can't our 3rd WR, the slot guy, do this too?
Likely, this player is not winning there one on one match-up. I think we are all over rating Cruz and Shepard. This is not to say they are bad, and Sterling is a rookie, but they can be defended
On the big stage in San Francisco in the NFC title game he was mauled bu the Niner defense. But in mid 4th quarter, after the punt muff set up a short field at the Niner 30, Eli, overcoming a holding penalty that could have been deadly, rifled a 17 yard TD pass to Manningham on 3rd and 15 for the go ahead score.
But that was five years ago. Papa, Banks and Cross are usually pretty straight shooters. They all were very concerned with his play the last two games. If Banks thought that there was not a problem with Eli, he would have said so and blamed the line or the receivers.
42 - ELI
41 - Peyton Manning
40- Big Ben
With the exception of Wilson and Rodgers, where are the scrambling QB'S. Pocket passers win.
Big Ben and Flacco both scramble plenty and do it effectively. They are not running QBs, they scramble to throw generally speaking. Brees also to some degree. But less so nowadays. Coincidentally or not, his team is winless. So half of your QBs are mobile enough to at least scramble around to buy time and hit targets.
Brady is one of the best QB's to ever play the game, as is Peyton, who also won on the backs of one of the best defenses of the past 20 years. They did not win because of Peyton.
I agree that I prefer a pocket passer. But not a statue in the pocket. We might as well get Kerry Collins back in here.
The Giants have one of the most talented receiver corps in the NFL- bar none. But if the ball can't get there, and they consistently have to make circus catches to move the ball it'll be a long year, again.
Every D has the number now. Tee off- he panics and throws to the closest receiver as soon as he can possibly get rid of it. He tried doing the Rogers thing by rolling out and throwing on the run. He has never been even mediocre on the run in his entire career. If they get him on the move, the only thing that can happen is good things for them.
Against the Vikings he wouldn't hold the ball long enough for anything to develop down the field. I saw the game and the protection provided him time on many plays. He was panicking and hurrying his reads.
The defense has kept two very good teams within reach the past two games, for most of the game, even without that basic thing called a pass rush. There is no defense in the league that can stop good defenses non-stop when they're on the field 70% of the game. The Packers had the ball around 8 minutes on the first drive. Score. Three and out and the D is back on the field again, and again, and again... Impossible to win games that way.
Philly figured out the Giants almost 4 years ago- that's why we never beat them. Stop the run and make Eli beat you. Yes he's made some incredible comebacks over the years, but those seem to be getting farther away. Last year, between him and MacAdoo, they blew far too many games with lousy play calling, bad decisions and no semblance of clock management.
It may start to help with him having a coach going over things with him on the sidelines. I was stunned! The Giants seem to finally figured out that in-game coaching might help Eli. I'm sure we all hope so.
At the beginning of the year, Eli and OBJ were a highly touted fantasy combination. Maybe a prescription of anti-anxiety medication is the answer.
The Giants have one of the most talented receiver corps in the NFL- bar none. But if the ball can't get there, and they consistently have to make circus catches to move the ball it'll be a long year, again.
Every D has the number now. Tee off- he panics and throws to the closest receiver as soon as he can possibly get rid of it. He tried doing the Rogers thing by rolling out and throwing on the run. He has never been even mediocre on the run in his entire career. If they get him on the move, the only thing that can happen is good things for them.
Against the Vikings he wouldn't hold the ball long enough for anything to develop down the field. I saw the game and the protection provided him time on many plays. He was panicking and hurrying his reads.
The defense has kept two very good teams within reach the past two games, for most of the game, even without that basic thing called a pass rush. There is no defense in the league that can stop good defenses non-stop when they're on the field 70% of the game. The Packers had the ball around 8 minutes on the first drive. Score. Three and out and the D is back on the field again, and again, and again... Impossible to win games that way.
Philly figured out the Giants almost 4 years ago- that's why we never beat them. Stop the run and make Eli beat you. Yes he's made some incredible comebacks over the years, but those seem to be getting farther away. Last year, between him and MacAdoo, they blew far too many games with lousy play calling, bad decisions and no semblance of clock management.
It may start to help with him having a coach going over things with him on the sidelines. I was stunned! The Giants seem to finally figured out that in-game coaching might help Eli. I'm sure we all hope so.
At the beginning of the year, Eli and OBJ were a highly touted fantasy combination. Maybe a prescription of anti-anxiety medication is the answer.
Might be one of the worst posts ever in BBI.