Losers of 3 straight...each appearing worse than the one before...puts NYG in a tough spot. That said...there is more than enough time to turn things around and even during NYG's greatest seasons with Manning, they have had stretches where they looked just awful. Things can be turned around and this is the time where opportunity is great. Over their next 6 games, they play LA, CHI, and CLE. All three of those teams are bottom third in the NFL (LA will not be above .500 for long). The rest of that 6 game stretch BAL, PHI, and CIN....all at home with a bye week in the middle. Schedule wise that is reason to be optimistic.
The three fixes I have:
1 - Offensive Scheme.
Look....this is something that far too many people talk about without a credible opinion sue to either a lack of knowledge, information. or resources. I won't pretend to be a know-it-all, as I clearly am not. But I do get to watch the All-22's of 5+ games each week. And there are trends with the NYG scheme that can be fixed.
Beckham is receiving a TON of double teams, Bracket coverage (basically him being sandwiched by a S and CB) more than ANY receiver in the league. Teams know where he running, when he is running there, and what Eli is trying to do with him. Only when they started moving him around a bit did things seem to open up for the offense. Beckham needs to be moved around more with more route variety and timing a la what PIT does with Antonio Brown and what ATL does with Julio Jones.
In addition...more obvious...this passing game needs to be less predictable. The OL, particularly Flowers, has hindered this a little, but their playcalling has been too similar each week.
2 - Give Flowers 2 more weeks
NYG has a bye after their upcoming games against BAL and LAA. If Flowers proves he can't get the job done for 4 quarters over these next 2 weeks, you have to make the change. As bad as this sounds, Beatty gets the nod and gets 2 weeks to get himself fully ready before the home matchups against PHI-CIN-CHI.
Flowers has been atrocious, even worse than the eye tells you from watching the broadcast angles. His mechanics and timing are complete guesses and his ability to react has been woeful. There is no way around this. Good run blocker but as of now, bottom 10 in the league as a pass blocker.
3 - More creativity on pass rushing situations
Spags is playing afraid. He is insecure about the secondary and he is trying to keep 7 in coverage over and over again. It doesn't matter who is doing the covering, good offenses will beat you if there is no fear of a pass rush. The young kinds haven't developed as inside rushers and the DEs (JPP and Vernon) have been average at best. Time for Spags to bring in a 5th and/or 6th pass rusher and force the QB to react. It could get ugly, yes. But it's the only way this defense will gain some momentum. The extra DBs they've had in there have been awful anyway. Might as well take them out of the picture and send guys after the passer. Make things happen instead of hoping they don't.
on #3... i find a big part of the problem is it appears they are having JPP and Vernon either spy or contain first on some downs... before rushing (then you have no leverage).
I also am tired of seeing them stunt inside. i would turn them lose up field more--- this is not a running league anymore--- and we have stout DTs and a good tackling safety to deal with the run.
The Giants did it on one series, then seemed to get away from it (although did call for what seemed to be a flea flicker).
Lawrence Taylor was a great player, but they certainly didn't line him up in one spot.....he was all over and you had to account for him.
Also, this may be a derivative of your questioning the routes but why in the world can't McAdoo break the cover 2 high defense we've been seeing? I understand that our run game isn't working and our TEs are terrible but surely there has to some way to get the ball to either of other two WRs who are both - you know - pretty effing good?
I think McAdoo is in way over his head. And what's the matter with Eli I do not know.
Adams. Perkins and Goodson all need to see the field more
2. Adams starts.
3. Perkins gets more time.
4. Sheppard is benched.
I know we have had oru back and forths, but someone else said it yesterday.... on some of those throws last night - were near misses. The Tye throw. SS throw. Beckham down the sideline. Whether he is rushing, thinking of the pass rush, or jsut being off - I think 1 good game can restore his passing ability. I mean against the Saints, he was locked in. Throwing deep, throwing short, throwing on the run. Hes lost the mojo a little bit.
I think with a good game against Baltimore.... we find another reason to say why the Giants stink :)
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1. Beatty earns the LT spot, moving Flowers to RT.
2. Adams starts.
3. Perkins gets more time.
4. Sheppard is benched.
I would also activate Davis his size and ability to win
jump balls could help . I wouldn't mind a scrap heap
FB to help get the run game going as well .
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You have a QB where two offensive HOFers are telling you that the QB is missing throws either high or behind at a consistent pace. Even if you fix all the areas you suggested that doesn't mean your QB play will necessarily improve.
I know we have had oru back and forths, but someone else said it yesterday.... on some of those throws last night - were near misses. The Tye throw. SS throw. Beckham down the sideline. Whether he is rushing, thinking of the pass rush, or jsut being off - I think 1 good game can restore his passing ability. I mean against the Saints, he was locked in. Throwing deep, throwing short, throwing on the run. Hes lost the mojo a little bit.
I think with a good game against Baltimore.... we find another reason to say why the Giants stink :)
Yeah, my point wasn't to attack Eli as much as I think his mechanics needs tweaking. I am more curious to see if the Giants have a decent QB coach on the sidelines like they had in 2014. I thought Danny Langsdorf was a huge loss when he left in 2014. Eli credited Langsdorf a lot for fixing his mechanics.
The offense is just flat out broken.
Look. Eli Manning is not playing well and there is no way around it. I've never been in the "Eli is great" category but he is better that what we have seen. The OL has completely ruined his personal clock on the pocket. It's
Messing with timing and more importantly his mechanics. Everything is off and he missing throws he normally makes. Is he done? No. but as always, the offense is limited with him. Throw in a bad OL and now he looks like he can't overcome. OL needs to improve if he is gonna improve.
PLUS, we haven't had a full slate of healthy DB's for awhile, so he didn't know what would work and what wouldn't.
Finally, maybe it was mostly McAdoo's idea not to take chances. They may have figured our best chance was to try to be within striking distance in the fourth quarter, so a long, slow drive (as in the 1st quarter) was a smart decision -- much better than a quick strike.
I know there are other factors at play but it seems like we constantly are running right into a defense that knew the run was coming.
Is that simply that we are too predictable? are we tipping the play? or is there something scheme wise that we are doing wrong?
All off-season, we heard how the Giants wanted an edge LB type like Leonard Floyd, while I'm not comparing Kennard's tools to Floyd, he can definitely help off the edge instead of the same stale stunts and delayed blitzes from Leon Hall.
That brought back memories of the story Jaworski tells about coming up to the line with the Eagles and tries to find LT. Doesn't see him and he panics and calls time out. Turns out LT had been slightly dinged the play before and had come off the field for a play.
At this moment,have little confidence in this coaching staff.
Sorry, last night was not the first time this season, just the most seen in one game so far this season.
If things continue to go the way they have for the past three weeks you will likely get your wish.
The D is doing everything it can to keep our abominable offense in games.
Watch this place and the media downright explode if we routinely send 5 or 6. I'd love to see the reaction when of Wade, DRC, or Apple is on an island and a receiver is streaking 5 yards in front of them.
This is an offensive minded coach, btw. Mind boggling.
I all but guarantee they will be a bigger part of the offense within 5-6 weeks. Perkins fighting uphill battle because he got a late start in to learning the offense.
I think we see Adams getting weekly targets now,
Hart does not belong on 1st or 2nd string.
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wrong with our running scheme.
I know there are other factors at play but it seems like we constantly are running right into a defense that knew the run was coming.
Is that simply that we are too predictable? are we tipping the play? or is there something scheme wise that we are doing wrong?
Its so telegraphed almost comical .. Eli is no where near
the ball handler that Rodgers is . We consistently run
to the same damn hole as well more than most its on 1st down ...
And every time I looked for Collins on pass plays, he was in the middle of the field with no one around him, defender or offensive player.
I don't get the love for that guy. He's another one of Saban's boys maxed out for the CFB national championship run.
Definitely too vanilla on offense.
I have no confidence in Spags. Neither he nor Quinn should have been retained.
You mention that far too many people complain about the offense without a full understanding, knowledge etc. It seems to me, however, that even an average Giants/NFL fan can see how vanilla our offense is. I do not need the "all 22" view to see that for the most part this year, the Giants have lined up in 3 wide (2 and 1), shotgun, 1 Rb flanking Eli. Based on pre-snap formation alone, the Giants aren't giving defenses nearly enough looks to prepare for.
I admit, against Green Bay they mixed up their formations a bit early, but reverted back to the same look over and over later in the game.
One play, when Eli was under center, he gave a nice play action and found OBJ wide open on a slant. Why not go back to this ever later in the game? Why not bunch the receivers, spread things out and go 5 wide, tighten things up and have the 4 wide but close to the tackles, have eli go more under center to at least better sell play action, put OBJ in the backfield as a decoy, design/audible a WR screen for OBJ when CBs are playing off, then fake WR and throw it over the top like they did a few years ago, how about running some counter/misdirection running plays instead of the typical Rb dive straight ahead, etc etc etc etc etc
Regarding Defense, I also totally agree with you. It's clear Spags doesn't trust the secondary. I am ok with putting 7 men in coverage in certain situations and mixing it up, but at some point you have to send 5-6 guys from different spots and take your chances. I'd rather go down trying to get pressure on qbs, than sit back and be methodically picked apart all season.
My general point is, I understand that some aspects of the game are difficult for a typical fan, with lack of knowledge and resources, to understand. But overall, the failures of the offensive and defensive strategies this year are not that complicated.
The offense runs variations off of basically one formation. The defense rushes 4, rarely blitzes, 'bend don't break' strategy most of the time. Works most of the game, but never gets a stop when it is needed the most.
I find it hard to believe it takes some football guru or NFL savant to see these things.
Thoughts Sy!??? Anyone!!??
I don't see that many bubble or rocket screens as past two years. I don't know why this is not as frequent anymore. I believe the scheme is fine overall I just think we are running the same passing concepts as we previously ran.
* The point about giving Flowers two weeks. This guy is the next Kareem McKenzie - powerful, mean (quick enough to play RIGHT tackle in the NFL), but NOT quick enough to deal with the top speed pass rushers (on the left side). Beatty came in, in very good shape (according to his try-out) and he knows what to do; it's a no-brainer
I'd like to add four more fixes to Sy's three .....
(4) PLEASE find somebody to play full back (even if it means playing a lineman). We've had good fullbacks here, we should know how important they are to US. (Is it that important to have three QB slots on the roster ?)
(5) I love Victor Cruz, but now, he just doesn't scare defenses (that's why we're always facing "2-deep" safety coverage all the time). I say, it's time to give Tavarres King/Roger Lewis a shot.
(6) I know were nervous about Jennings playing with a cast, but Darkwa- Rainey are not the answer. Jennings is the strong transition to Paul Perkins (he can learn blocking assignments, just like Ahmad Bradshaw did, back-when)
(7) Release Larry Donnell now. Again, I really like this guy because he makes great catches, but the truth is - he's shell shocked. He KNOWS and is WILLING to make the necessary blocks and catches in heavy traffic, but psychologically he fears getting hit in the head, agian.
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Like alot of the other guys, I think Perkins and Adams should see more time. They definitely need Thompson back on the field.gotta get some life in this team. Perkins, is a playmaker, fast and makes people Miss. Team is lifeless right now. Need a injection of youth
I all but guarantee they will be a bigger part of the offense within 5-6 weeks. Perkins fighting uphill battle because he got a late start in to learning the offense.
I think we see Adams getting weekly targets now,
Perkins has surprisingly (to me at least) played ~25% of the snaps each of the last 2 weeks and saw as many snaps as Darkwa against GB. Hopefully he starts eating into Rainey's snaps too.