... I was very surprised to see how candid both Diehl and O'Hara were in their criticism of Ereck Flowers after the game on Sunday night. O'Hara went so far to say: “Ereck Flowers is what in the business you call a coach killer."
Both former Giants went out of their way to call Flowers out on his piss poor pass blocking technique and Diehl mentioned that the one play when Flowers led with head and allowed the GB Defensive end to blow by him and take down Manning is essentially something they teach you not do in high school.
Obviously, both Diehl and O'Hara have deep connections with longtime Giants ex-offensive line coach Pat Flaherty who was jettisoned this year in favor of Mike Solari and those guys pretty much insinuated that Flowers was responsible for the change (which Flowers wholeheartedly endorsed in the off-season).
Pretty obvious that Eli (who had his own issues Sunday night and is good friends with both Diehl and O'Hara) has absolutely no trust in his LT. Just what McAdoo didn't need at this point of the season...
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Stir the pot
Then the NFL needs an intentional sack, like baseball's intentional walk. Save Eli the trouble of getting tackled.
Flowers: “Get the (expletive) out of my face, bro.
Anyone counting flowers as an asset is reading pff too much...
Saying something like that is a sure way to get a list of excuses related to them being 20-something year old kids.
OBJ hasn't been yelled at by coach in a game. Eli should have been benched a few times in 10 years. Flowers should be
put on RT for a game to see how he does.
TC failed to do that last year and that helped spring Odell to this year.
When size and power are your strengths you can't use techniques and positioning that basically counter act or negate those strengths. Flowers does that very thing. He looks awful out there.
Is he the reason they lost Sunday night? No, of course not. But, he sure was one of the reasons they offense failed and his inability to be the physical leader on that line is hurting elsewhere.
The Giants have next to nothing in terms of blocking from our TE's, yet we are now needing them to stay close To Flowers and chip before heading out for the pass as he gets beat too quickly off the snap without it. Eli has no choice but to bail quickly on the protection from his side because he knows Flowers will get beat..
This was a bad pick for the spot we were in and now the Gmen must decide how long do we wait for him or do we move him to RT, where his problems in technique can be masked better.
Just throwing him to RT mid season isnt going to work. Right now he's not one of the best five linemen on this team. Can anyone really argue against that?
OBJ hasn't been yelled at by coach in a game. Eli should have been benched a few times in 10 years. Flowers should be
put on RT for a game to see how he does.
Perhaps the worst post I've seen on here, ever.
Mac doesnt make changes to starters? How do you know that? He's been a HC for five games.
Eli should have been benched a few times in ten years?
Lot of speculation on this thread
Lot of speculation on this thread
We know that he shoved a reporter?
Lot of speculation on this thread
We know, from multiple reports, there was some sort of issue between him and Flaherty.
We also know, from Richburg and Pugh comments, there was unnamed OL that wasn't working as hard as he/they should have.
Let's get an edit button already :)
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Schwartz commenting on it makes my blood boil.
F the media. Look at how they've handled every situation on another stage for over a year.
Because we have a GM that thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Go down his list of "projects" Clint Sintim, Marvin Austin, Ramses Barden, lets not forget when we TRAED UP to get Sinorce Moss. He knows talent like I know Mandarin (FYI I don't know Mandarin). Worse yet, Mara trusts him. I'd trust my daughter at an unsupervised post-prom house party before I trust Reese to make a pick that can be counted on as a building block of this team.
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Because we have a GM that thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Go down his list of "projects" Clint Sintim, Marvin Austin, Ramses Barden, lets not forget when we TRAED UP to get Sinorce Moss. He knows talent like I know Mandarin (FYI I don't know Mandarin). Worse yet, Mara trusts him. I'd trust my daughter at an unsupervised post-prom house party before I trust Reese to make a pick that can be counted on as a building block of this team.
He didnt trade up for Sinorce Moss. Accorsi did.
His technique and footwork have to improve. But it's still early in this season, and his career.
If he should be a Rt, so be it - but a lot of side bar issues that people don't really know - just regurgitating rumor, etc.
He didnt trade up for Sinorce Moss. Accorsi did.
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You're right, my bad, but you can easily replace with Damontre Moore or several others. I had to look back at how long ago that was.
If he should be a Rt, so be it - but a lot of side bar issues that people don't really know - just regurgitating rumor, etc.
How much convincing do you need?
The guy stinks and contributed greatly to the loss.
He was arguably the worst player on The Giants on Sunday.
The Flaherty stuff was reported by enough sources that it's highly unlikely to be untrue.
Simple answer. Jerry Reese.
Could be an indictment against the CBA. If you're not a starter (which he initially wasn't), there aren't many snaps to go around.
His comments came as part of the offensive line forum at the Bentley Camp for lineman he took part in. You have the read the whole story and see everyone's answers to draw a better conclusion than isolating it to a sentence here or there.
I got his general point, but to some it might come off as something else. So context is important.
Richburg: There isn't much teaching going on at all. It's kind of sink or swim. That's why I am here.
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Sounds like a head case. His resistance to coaching should have shown up in college. The Giants had to know that he was a bonehead. Why in the name of all that is holy did they waste a pick on this turkey?
Simple answer. Jerry Reese.
Bingo! We have talent evaluators and a GM that should have been fired three years ago.
So when you think about it, the coaches can't baby all the players and if there are things players should already know going in and have to be taught (essentially what Richburg said), that player is screwed and already behind everyone.
And what if the technique being taught is one that is not comfortable with the person on the other end of the teaching?
Much like when we all were in school, some teachers were great and some were not. Let's not make the NFL coaches out to be Ph.D's.
Some of us learned a different way and at a different pace than others. Some had things that worked for them that may not work for someone else. It's almost impossible to apply one technique/standard and expect everyone to follow it.
And, yes CBA might have something to do with it.