What is your biggest Giant concern so far....

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I don't see us winning this week either .
We are getting beat in the trenches ..

I didnt expect a dominate defense but it's been good enough to win games based on the expectations of the defense.

Everything

Both really poor. Pash rush looks as bad as it did last year. Luckily our downfield coverage has been pretty good.
The offense just looked horrible since that redskins game.

Also I'm concerned about the apparent form of the cowboys and eagles, especially with two promising looking QBs!

Teams seem to have taken the tape on our offense the first two weeks and made adjustments, which we haven't responded too. Also on D I am not convinced Spags has it. With our talent we should be getting to the quarterback more, getting turnovers, dictating play, and getting off the field more. This "contain" stuff just means we are on the field more, and the offense has less touches.

Both really poor. Pash rush looks as bad as it did last year. Luckily our downfield coverage has been pretty good.
The offense just looked horrible since that redskins game.

Also I'm concerned about the apparent form of the cowboys and eagles, especially with two promising looking QBs!

Both really poor. Pash rush looks as bad as it did last year. Luckily our downfield coverage has been pretty good.
The offense just looked horrible since that redskins game.

Also I'm concerned about the apparent form of the cowboys and eagles, especially with two promising looking QBs!

We need to start hitting the other QB.

JPP and Vernon have been beasts against the run, but have not gotten to the QB at all. I understand that they lead the league in "hurries" but it seems as if opposing QBs have a ton of time to throw and look comfortable.

On the flip side the O-line is still a concern. Even when Eli isn't getting sacked and we do have protection he hasn't had the time to throw downfield very often.

Jennings or vereen in the backfield, the offense has struggled to punish defenses for the 2 deep safety. if Jennings can stay healthy the rest of the season and be the bell cow, both big ifs, I think our offense will improve.

Apologise for the three messages!

Health of secondary. I'll curve concerns about Eli & o-line given strength of schedule and sadistic timing until this point. Now it eases .

pass
rush.

OL problems might be fixed if Beatty plays LT and Flowers moves to RT. Not sure how we fix the pass rush. JPP isn't what he used to be. Vernon has a bum wrist. OO and Wynn try hard, but look like JAGs. Okrwara has flashed, but is a UDFA rookie. Harrison and Hankins are stout agains the run, but are not collapsing the pocket.

-that said it's the pass rush. We get none.

Our star players aren't playing like stars. The DL (injury?), the DBs (certainly injury), the WRs (?), Eli. It's just not adding up at the moment. Hope it comes soon.

You don't appreciate it until your team lack it.

That's all folks. If they don't win the next two before the bye week...smell another playoff less season.

In order:

- The loss of Johnson before the season even started was a key component to giving Eli some time behind the line. Why the Giants didn't resign Hynoski once Johnson went down is beyond me. We need a solid FB that can block

- Tight ends that don't block

- Injuries to our CB's and FS

- Coaches going with too conservative an offensive game plan

- OBJ having emotional breakdowns

Poor playcalling and perceived poor gameplan king. The lack of creativity with this offense is surprising.

I'm with Dave. McAdoo believes he has a ball control offense that can methodically move the chains and score. He is wrong. He does not have the OL for that. He needs to max protect Eli and throw the ball downfield to his WR's. And it can't happen soon enough.

He has to carry this team for them to win games and he's not coming close to that level of performance.

I'll just say that the top needs for us are: LT, a pass rush, a stud LB and a big WR who can win jump balls and get open.



Easier said than done, right?

Takes tuns looking like dog shit. This goes to the top. The foundation is rotten and will not change as the Ownership FO and the coaching is just not good. They keep re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Their philosophy and belief in their schemes are crap. They follow that over common sense and looking for great players and adjusting to fit them in.

It's why Bill Belichick can suck as a GM so bad at times. He never ever is so married to a scheme if he doesn't have the players. He adjusts. Game to game if needed. And Kraft stays the fuck out of the football world.

offensive line.

In comment 13171582 PatersonPlank said:

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Teams seem to have taken the tape on our offense the first two weeks and made adjustments, which we haven't responded too.

Watching the game again last night with the radio broadcast, Bob Papa suggested that perhaps opponents may have caught on to the Giants tendencies when he brought the following stat in either the 2nd or 3rd quarter.

"96% of the Giants offensive plays this season have been run in "11" personnel"

Think about that...96 PERCENT! When you factor in the Giants had only used Beckham in the slot on only 7% of plays, the offense is pretty easy to figure out what they are going to line up in and where everyone is going to be.

If you are the defense, what else do you need to study? The alarming lack of diversity in the offensive set is causing defenses to not have to worry about anything else. No other formations, nothing.

the O-Line and the QB. When the Qb makes a play, there seems to be a hold or personal foul that negates it. When the OLine gives him time - Eli has missed targets.

If these two ever come into sync, we will probably be ok. We need some TDs folks.

In comment 13171654 Greg from LI said:

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He has to carry this team for them to win games and he's not coming close to that level of performance.

I dont think he even needs to carry them. The defense is better. The run game has contributed at times. If he can just shake off the last few games and play to his potential, we are going to win games.

to QB hurries, but I wonder why none of the players within that 1-10 range have the sacks to go with the hurries. They all seem to be in the bottom half of the league when it comes to actually taking down the QB.

Gotta be offense

Teams just have the gmen figured out. That and being sloppy with turnovers.

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if we can't utilize our weapons in an offensive minded league, then we are doomed from the start.

The defense is, and will be, better than last year. It is already.......you aren't going to play great defense every game unless you're one of the very few teams that actually have it.

Not worried about BM, sometimes a coach has to grow into the position.....there will be some growing pains.

Eli has no confidence in pass protection. Run blocking is horrible. We have not had a running attack sine 2010. So now the drives cannot be sustained because our playbook is limited. Defense is affected because they have to stay on the field longer. The opposition has figured out how to defense us.

Jerry Reese should be fired for allowing the Oline to be so bad for so long. Eli is a pocket passer and he needs protection.

In comment 13171666 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Takes tuns looking like dog shit. This goes to the top. The foundation is rotten and will not change as the Ownership FO and the coaching is just not good. They keep re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Their philosophy and belief in their schemes are crap. They follow that over common sense and looking for great players and adjusting to fit them in. It's why Bill Belichick can suck as a GM so bad at times. He never ever is so married to a scheme if he doesn't have the players. He adjusts. Game to game if needed. And Kraft stays the fuck out of the football world.

yep

1. We can't beat the Cover 2
2. "Offensive" Tackles
3. Last in the league in sacks/JPP and OV playing over 90% of the snaps
4. LB play--In particular Kelvin Sheppard getting meaningful snaps, Kennard not getting enough snaps and BJ Goodson getting no snaps
5. Injuries in the secondary

Now going on 4 years..

In comment 13171596 Les in TO said:

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Jennings or vereen in the backfield, the offense has struggled to punish defenses for the 2 deep safety. if Jennings can stay healthy the rest of the season and be the bell cow, both big ifs, I think our offense will improve.

We were better off with them but I doubt they were punishing the defense.. Cowboys have been playing the same 2 deep safeties on us since OBJ made that catch.. and we've never made them pay for it.. we barely beat them this season..

He can no longer put this team on his shoulders like he has done before. We are a offseason away but Eli is definitely in the decline which is obviously a concern because we have to start all over without a franchise QB.

its just that


the window is closing

Lack of discipline (too many penalties)
No poonts

its like this:

I do like spags and big mac as top coches, fine, but I am a bit worried about the rationality of the plan, the integration into it especially by the position coaches on both sides, O and D and the quality of the mid level coaching staff.

Spags and Mac both need to be tough, not polite internally, take control and make sure that the positional / unit coahes get the right moves and the right message over with clarity and emphasis.

We need to be aggressive, do shit that makes sense in doing so, and have the players know and buy into those activities.

watching giants game day sideline chatter on TV had me a bit worried in this regard.

In comment 13171627 AcidTest said:

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pass rush. JPP isn't what he used to be. Vernon has a bum wrist. OO and Wynn try hard, but look like JAGs. Okrwara has flashed, but is a UDFA rookie. Harrison and Hankins are stout agains the run, but are not collapsing the pocket.

For me, it's this. They are paying JPP and Vernon a king's ransom and they get blocked by 3rd string offensive linemen who are only playing because of injuries.

1. Coaching
2. O-Line
3. Running Game
4. Pass Rush

It bothers me that we still can't run the fucking ball even when teams have their safeties 25 yards downfield.

Or who the DC is, TEs still get open in the middle of the field on a regular basis and kill us every effin season

It has a domino effect on the rest of the team. If you can't run block and pass block with our mediocre RB and pocket passer you cannot score points.

GM - Simply not good, gets credit for 2 Superbowls when it is a shared credit he should get with EA. The OLine was all EA and not Reese, he fails to upgrade certain positions despite the fact we get burned by this every year, we will never be a good defense with a GM that refuses to add a linebacker high in the draft. He refuses to draft a good two way TE when that is exactly what we need. His inability to address the OLine and then add statements he makes like he will always go get the playmaker before the trenches guys every time, yep, and it shows. He is the exact opposite of George Young and George was everything he is not, free agency killed George, that and his loyalty to Mara. Mara was against free agency and he defended his boss as a good employee from back then would. That was what hurt George not his knowledge of the game, Reese is simply not a good GM, good GM's do not suffer so many losing and mediocre seasons with a franchise QB, if not for Eli, Reese would have been exposes long ago.
Coaching - McAdoo simply looks overmatched, he is young but look at his counterpart in Philly with a rookie QB. For the Giants to be in last place with the only experienced QB in the division is as alarming a situation as the Giants have been in since before the George Young era, that is how pathetic I think Reese is, and this is his hire.
Scouting
QB - Last place with 2 rookies in the division, unacceptable no matter how you turn it.

fans here are so paranoid and overreact and don't know football.

Period.

however my priorities right now are;

1. Discipline (to include turnovers and penalties) which I believe, overall, got a little better over the course of the last 3 games.
2. Offensive Game Plan which is predictable and vanilla. Mac is probably a little over his head right now. Mac calling the plays is probably still preferable to Sullivan though.
3. A tie between OL and Eli Manning (and I'm an Eli Fan). Neither is playing well right now. Improvement from either will help tremendously. Now would be a good time for the 2011 Eli to show up. The one that dragged his team into the playoffs kicking and screaming. However, I think that Eli had a better OL blocking for him too.

This aw shucks shit is getting old. So many bad throws, the offense is dink and dunk, and a below average O line doesn't help. They had all the same problems last season with less talent at the skill positions. This shit needs to get corrected right away. All three afore mentioned elements need to be better.
The defense needs to be better, and they have been better than last season. I never expected JPP to return to any kind of form he showed before losing his hand. The loyalty by the Giants and Giant fans towards him always baffled the shit out of me. They just need to be middle of the pack defensively with the offense the way it played last season, only the offense is not playing like they did last season.

What's McAdoo done to make anyone think he's gonna be anything special? Is Spags a good D-co? Doesn't seem to be. Problem now is that front office and ownership are probably gonna give BM at least two seasons.

Could be a long end to the Eli era. Hope I'm wrong.

No determination. Little discipline. Eli. No running game. Bad tackling.

They spent a ton, and so far it doesn't look any better than last year.

as well as outplayed..

Eli has played behind lines before that have had trouble but he could still handle it,the fact that he now has happy feet due to a horrific OFFENSIVE LINE should tell people something.
The second thing is injuries for what seems to be the 8th time in ten years the Giants lead the league in injuries...AGAIN!