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CMicks3110 : 10/13/2016 10:25 pm
I know Francesa has talked about ratings being down early in the season, and that it is partly attributed to the presidential elections and some of the world events that are occurring, as well as perhaps injuries to some of the star players around the league.

But I wanted to hear from you folks if there is a shared sense of, well I'm over this to a degree. I know it could be attributed to a few losing seasons, and maybe it's just me, but for whatever reason this season I feel incredibly dispassionate about this team. I feel no real connection to the current crop of players. I'm 31 so I for the most part missed the 80s teams, and thankfully was spared from the mid-90s Reeves era, but startingIn the late 90s and early 2000s I loved the Giants, I couldn't get enough. The Strahans, Armsteads, Keith Hamiltion's, Sehorn, on defense and Collins, Toomer, Shockey, Tiki on offense. I loved those teams and felt strong affection for those players. In the mid to late 2000s, I more than loved watching those teams, Eli, that offensive line, Plax, Tuck, Osi, Webster, Pierce, great passion, tremendous will, the persona of Coughlin. That 07-08 stretch was golden. Now as we closed that era and begin a new one, I don't feel any connection whatsover to this team short of Eli. McAdoo is bland, JPP has suddenly, despite his accident, become an average player. We have some decent players, talent wise, such as Shepard, Pugh, OBJ, Vernon, Jenkins, DRC, and Collins but we really only have one dynamic personality and that is OBJ and it feels like he might end up being like Calvin Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald, a great player on a bad team. I just don't feel any optimism about our team right now.

Back to the NFL, my feelings about the league are pretty similar. It just feels like overkill at this point. I don't get into any of the sports talk shows at all like i used to. I always loved listening to francesa and even joe and evan, but I just feel done with the sport, at least for the time being, everything just seems so predicatable. I think maybe parody is player a role, and injuries, there are no great teams, no Yankee like dynasty to take down (except the patriots). I just don't see any teams that are just fun to watch, there is a lack of crispness, tons of penalties, tons of side drama about bullshit things that mean nothing. The OBJ non-controversy comes to mind, that was the stupidest week of discussion, he is a passionate player and they had the cameras watching him every second of the game. It was a meaningless story, and there are now tons of meaningless stories. I watch the games, but they all just seem sloppy.

I don't know, something needs to change, the league feels like they overdid it and now there isn't quite as much excitement about the sport.

Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else feel the same way?
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Used to be I couldn't  
Bubba : 10/14/2016 9:56 am : link
wait until Sunday. I'd spend all day in my "man cave" watching as many games as available. Now I only watch the Giants and maybe a division game if available.

Watered down talent, free agency, poor officiating, too many rules and penalties have sucked the excitement from the game imo.
FMiC  
LG in NYC : 10/14/2016 9:57 am : link
I generally watch more football and football related shows when the Giants are winning.

When they lose - and are generally a miserable team all around, like they have been - I just tune out everything football related (for the most part) for the rest of that week. I have less interest in watching Dallas win, or the talking heads fellate Carson Wentz or Kirk Cousins, or Ben R when my team looks like they are high school caliber.
I agree  
Carson53 : 10/14/2016 9:57 am : link
with a poster above, the game has become more saturated.
Half the time, I don't watch Thursday night games.
Blandino never officiated a game, but he is the head of officials, read his bio if you haven't.
Too many commercials as well, the NFL RZ might have something to do with the ratings? I have heard talk of that recently.
Next week, you have to watch the Giants at 9:30 (EST).
Games being played in London are a joke to me.
In recent years, the Giants have a losing culture going on,
it takes a lot less time to get over a loss.
the above notwithstanding  
LG in NYC : 10/14/2016 9:58 am : link
I absolutely agree that way too many commercials and bad officiating (and many bad teams) are contributing factors.
I think another factor..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/14/2016 10:00 am : link
to a lesser degree is the amount of hype applied early in the season. Non-stop coverage of Josh Norman or Beckham gets tiring. Talking about 3-0 teams like they are shoo-ins for the postseason and the Super Bowl is meaningless. The Media has become a lot like BBI - they overreact week to week. After week two, they loved the way the giants had rebuilt themselves and praised the defensive additions. Sunday night, NBC had several graphics cued up to lambast the signings.

The Media has probably always been like this, but when in the past you only had the pregame show on FOX and CBS (or NBC and CBS before that), the exposure was far less. Now you have ESPN starting coverage at 10AM, the NFL Network devoting Sunday AM to gameday, ridiculous mediums like the Fantasy Channel, plus the standard studio shows, bu the time 1PM rolls around, if you are an actual die-hard fan, you're exhausted.
Just wait until they put a couple teams in Europe  
mfsd : 10/14/2016 10:01 am : link
London, and somewhere like Berlin, and they start running 4 different game slots on Sundays.

I agree that Thursday and Sunday night games suck. I hate when the Giants play those nights, and rarely watch if it's not the Giants, unless it's a really compelling matchup...but those are rare these days
It's like an addiction or religious habit  
oldutican : 10/14/2016 10:06 am : link
if I were to miss a Giant game. I certainly don't care as much when they lose, but maybe that's cause I expect them to lose. I will say that I am much more likely to watch the late games on a Sunday when the Giants win. What may drive me away is the feeling that watching the NFL is a guilty pleasure given the games violence and greedy commercialization.
Fatman  
joeinpa : 10/14/2016 10:22 am : link
You make good points. I especially agree about catering to the casual fan. However, I remain in the minority in this thread. The Giants have been ingrained in me since 56.

Enjoy watching them too much to give it up. But agree the quality of play in the NFL has declined. Too many decisions driven by money have hurt the game.
DVR is the only way to watch football  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2016 10:23 am : link
I usually wait 30 minutes before starting a Giants game. With fast forward that will generally allow me to fully skip halftime by the time I'm caught up. For non-Giants game, you couldn't pay me to sit through for 3 hours without it being DVR'd.
RE: i think as giants  
dep026 : 10/14/2016 10:32 am : link
In comment 13172693 Les in TO said:
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and even when we won the super bowl in 2011, we barely squeaked into the playoffs, thanks to some victor cruz heroics.



lol, truly the worst.
I have lived in GA for  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/14/2016 10:47 am : link
6 years now, born and raised in NJ. When I came down here I was purely an NFL guy. Sure I watched College football but didn't really have a team I would throw the remote over like the Giants.

After 6 years I'm now a huge College FB fan too... the game is so much more exciting now only to watch on TV, but to actually go to the games.

Im still a die hard Giants fan and always will be. But I have to admit that College is more exciting. Im watching teams I dont even root for.

On saturday afternoons during College football, my subdivision is littered with College Team flags flying outside the homes, cars have the flags hanging from the windows, and the food stores are loaded with fans. I really have come to enjoy it. And believe me, the Bulldogs are alot like the Giants lol...

The NFL just seems like a long drawn out 3 1/2 hours now.

RE: FMiC  
NoPeanutz : 10/14/2016 10:48 am : link
In comment 13172709 LG in NYC said:
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I generally watch more football and football related shows when the Giants are winning.

When they lose - and are generally a miserable team all around, like they have been - I just tune out everything football related (for the most part) for the rest of that week. I have less interest in watching Dallas win, or the talking heads fellate Carson Wentz or Kirk Cousins, or Ben R when my team looks like they are high school caliber.

THIS. Part of being a good fan is can't get enough of the Giants winning, and can't stand them losing. Also, the reverse for Dallas, Philthy and DC. When those fortunes are reversed, I naturally seek out other things to do. As one poster said, when the Giants lose at 1, it's yard work at 4.
Twice  
Bluesbreaker : 10/14/2016 11:01 am : link
this season I have shut the game off the last 4 minutes .
I have never done that since 1964 .
The officiating is lousy the unsportsman like and late
hits are ridiculous .
The average fan can't afford to even go to a pre-season
game . You can't fingerpoint but you can unload on someone
in the endzone while scoring a TD .
You Allow players like AP stay in the league ..after beating
a child . Goodell is the worste thing to ever happen to
the game . The owners are greedy and the expansion of
games on Thursday Sunday Night and now London ?
It certainly doesn't help when your team has sucked for
for straight years ....
...  
christian : 10/14/2016 11:36 am : link
The total add time to content is not extraordinarily different than 10 years ago. The issue is the "content" is lots of blabbering in between small doses of football.

Really think why a basketball broadcast is an hour shorter when the clock is the minutes shorter.

The NFL is stretching out what really should be 2 hours into 3. That's the problem with the game, most of the time spent you are not watching a game.
I used to watch every game I could...  
Britt in VA : 10/14/2016 11:39 am : link
I honestly and truly forgot there were games on last night and Monday night. I was sitting there Monday night watching TV with my wife and though, "oh, there's actually a game on right now". Didn't know who was playing, didn't care. Didn't think about it again after that. Last night never thought about it until this morning.

Could not care less.
the flow of the game is what cracks me up  
area junc : 10/14/2016 11:46 am : link
it really hits you when u go watch it live - the amount of standing around the players do in between drives, even during series when there's a penalty or TV time-out, is unreal. There's no real momentum and you realize that watching live. It's just random plays strung together.

The Giants in particular seem to have that problem because they can't string together well executed plays without f#cking something up, which causes delays.
If the Giants were 12-4  
napoleon : 10/14/2016 11:52 am : link
I'd still watch them the same amount. But I'd still not care much for Monday or Thursday or Sunday night non Giants games. Those used to be events. Now they are just 3 hours I'd rather spend doing something else instead. Just my personal view.
No difference for me.  
Mad Mike : 10/14/2016 11:56 am : link
At least, no difference from recent years. In high school and college I was more into neutral games than I am now, but that's nothing new, and has nothing to do with changes in the game or the broadcasts. There's just more to do. But Giants games are still sacrosanct to me, and all playoff games are high priority.
...  
christian : 10/14/2016 11:57 am : link
The NFL bet wrong that substituting scoring for violence would be enough.

The league seemingly didn't think through how handcuffing defenses would lead to more stoppages.

It's also crazy a team gets 25 seconds AFTER the ball is placed.
Giants fan since 1958 and I still watch every game  
joe48 : 10/14/2016 12:35 pm : link
The media overhyping is very annoying. The coverage by ESPN is way over the top. Every little thing becomes a big story and it has become a turnoff. The refs are so inconsistent and can determine the outcome of games. The Thursday nite games should be eliminated. I. Only watch the Giants pretty much. Wish we would have fired JR 2 years ago.
RE: DVR is the only way to watch football  
batman11 : 10/14/2016 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13172752 UConn4523 said:
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I usually wait 30 minutes before starting a Giants game. With fast forward that will generally allow me to fully skip halftime by the time I'm caught up. For non-Giants game, you couldn't pay me to sit through for 3 hours without it being DVR'd.


IMO, this has become the only way to watch these games, although I think a one hour delay works better. I still have not watched a commercial during a Giant game this year!
...  
christian : 10/14/2016 1:12 pm : link
I still don't understand how having more games on TV makes it less exciting. I never watch Thursday games because I always have work functions.

Still watch MNF and a couple of games on Sunday. Thursday night football just doesn't exist to me.
I am a Giants fan and live and die with them  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/14/2016 1:55 pm : link
I rabidly watch Giants Games - even when they are sucking it up --- and will watch other games but they are not a priority for me -- in fact I'd rather watch a good golf match than football if it's not the Giants playing

I am optimistic that this team will go on a run and improve upon the season


Go Giants!!!
My question is: Is it the NFL or just sports in general?  
kinard : 10/14/2016 2:14 pm : link
... I would still watch a non-Giant's NFL game game over just about any other sport.

I'm 54 and grew up during the 70s when baseball was king. Now pre-September baseball games are pretty much unwatchable. The post-season MLB games (and pennant races) are still kind of exciting except its still almost impossible to sit down and watch a 9 inning game uninterrupted.

NBA regular season hoops also unwatchable until the second or third round of the playoffs. I may be in the minority but I love NHL hockey although I won't start seriously watching until football is over.

It could also be the case that the remote control combined with 600 channels just make the idea of sitting down and watching Panthers-Bucs in its entirety almost impossible.

I will say that the 3 hours of watching Giants football on those 16 days a year is still pure bliss for me - everything else is just filler at this point.



I still live and Get Agita with the Giants  
Manning10 : 10/14/2016 2:51 pm : link
But I agree with other posters with less interest in the Night games.
I give two reasons what made the game on the field worse:

Free Agency and The new CBA.

Football when played properly needs Continuity and Practice and in todays game both are lacking.
With the NEW CBA rules there is really not enough practice time and hitting to play the game with crispness. Dumb penalties, missed assignments and poor blocking and tackling are the norm.

I know Free agency is fun during the off season and it has put more money in the players pockets (which is a good thing)but every year the deck gets shuffled and teams are incorporating younger players before they are ready to play.

But think about the game pre 1993, and how much better the product on the field was, and sorry to say it will never be again.
Season ticket holder since 72  
Jimmy Brown : 10/14/2016 3:33 pm : link
My interest in the NFL has been waning, but I will never miss a Giants game on tv. I might sell my tix when they are sucking, but I will always watch them. For a long time now, the Giants have been very disappointing. When they are winning, a lot of other games become interesting. Not just the cowboys, eagles and skins, but any team that will effect the Giants standings in the playoffs. Seems lately, they have shit the bed early in the season, therefore making football less interesting.
I can watch college ball  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/14/2016 4:03 pm : link
All day on Saturday and just watch the Giants on Sunday or whenever they play and be happy. There are times where I just don't care enough about the other games to watch them. I might have them on in the background while I do something else, but that's it.
...  
christian : 10/14/2016 5:19 pm : link
Ability to watch your favorite team more often has decreased league-wide interest.

As a kid in LA, with 4 TV games a week, I watched Rams games just to see the in-game highlights of the Giants.

When I lived in the Bay Area as an adult I can't remember watching a single 9ers game not against the Giants in 15 years.

Interest is just more specialized now - and access to want you want, and especially when you have constant entertainment in your hands.

These protests and the NFL  
giant24 : 10/14/2016 7:07 pm : link
going along with it, encouraging it and actually showing it every game is pissing me off. If this gets anymore widespread or if Jennings and a bunch of Giants start doing it I will not watch anymore.
As I get older, I prefer college football.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2016 7:17 pm : link
Love the pros, but college is starting to creep up with me.

Giants will always be #1.
RE: CTE doesn't help  
chris r : 10/14/2016 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13172605 I Love Clams Casino said:
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and the fact that the NFL has become CTE's whipping boy. I'm not sure that is within good reason or not considering what I've heard anecdotally about other sports with CTE problems...


Which major sport do you think it's reasonable to expect has similar CTE outcomes?
RE: RE: CTE doesn't help  
PeterinAtlanta : 10/14/2016 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13173323 chris r said:
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and the fact that the NFL has become CTE's whipping boy. I'm not sure that is within good reason or not considering what I've heard anecdotally about other sports with CTE problems...



Which major sport do you think it's reasonable to expect has similar CTE outcomes?


Soccer. You know, the game that has so many concussions that they've banned younger players from using your head. You really are a dumbfuck.
RE: RE: RE: CTE doesn't help  
chris r : 10/14/2016 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13173330 PeterinAtlanta said:
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and the fact that the NFL has become CTE's whipping boy. I'm not sure that is within good reason or not considering what I've heard anecdotally about other sports with CTE problems...



Which major sport do you think it's reasonable to expect has similar CTE outcomes?



Soccer. You know, the game that has so many concussions that they've banned younger players from using your head. You really are a dumbfuck.


Ok. Now point me to evidence of CTE in retired soccer players. TIA PIA.
RE: RE: RE: RE: CTE doesn't help  
PeterinAtlanta : 10/14/2016 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13173332 chris r said:
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In comment 13173323 chris r said:


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In comment 13172605 I Love Clams Casino said:


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and the fact that the NFL has become CTE's whipping boy. I'm not sure that is within good reason or not considering what I've heard anecdotally about other sports with CTE problems...



Which major sport do you think it's reasonable to expect has similar CTE outcomes?



Soccer. You know, the game that has so many concussions that they've banned younger players from using your head. You really are a dumbfuck.



Ok. Now point me to evidence of CTE in retired soccer players. TIA PIA.


How difficult is it for you to use Google to search CTE in soccer? Thanks for confirming my last sentence.
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for me, I used to be interested in watching non-Giants games  
markky : 10/14/2016 7:58 pm : link
but now that is dwindling due to # and type of penalties, the refs being part of the game, and the offensive nature of today's NFL.

I like great defense. The first half of the Pats - Panthers SB was a classic. SB 25 was awesome.

Still won't miss a Giants game if I can get near a TV, but my broader interest is waining.
Btw  
hassan : 10/15/2016 2:09 pm : link
Cte is much easier legislated out of soccer than football. Ban heading. Won't change the game nearly as much as trying to prevent it in football..

Football is deservedly carrying the cte issue as a black mark. Particularly here where it's a much bigger sport than soccer. Particularly after the cover ups.

Other reasons as have been pointed out, extreme parity, over hype, poor new generic stadium design (the old mile high rfk and candlestick were far more entertaining than their boring modern replacements), and lack of distinct personalities for teams mostly due to free agency and the cap, and worst of all fantasy football creating a legislation against defense and allow offense to rack stats up have left today's game awful for the die hard.
The stories..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2016 4:00 pm : link
of retired soccer stars with dementia are numerous, but most of the players are foreign, so I figure contrarian asswipes don't really scan the International news.
I've had a sense of loss due to my decreased fanaticism ...  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 4:19 pm : link
I'm 64 and the Giants have been the center of my entertainment for virtually my entire life ... I've always refused tickets to go to a game (unless it's preseason) and I never allow anyone else in the room when the game is on.... I've never missed a game and I watch every one alone... and now I suddenly find my interest waning and I don't have a clue why.

One thing is for certain. It has NOTHING to do with winning or losing. I LOVED the Giants during the "lost years" of the mid 60's and 70's.

,  
liteamorn : 10/15/2016 4:47 pm : link
For almost 20 years I worked Sundays, days one week and nights the next. My Giants games were DVR'D or watched (jeopardized my job) on the job on a little battery operated tv. Monday night games were an every other week game for me and I watched every Thursday game, and was glad I could..

I retired two years ago and Sundays became a warm place for me, I had the NFL package because it was given to me for signing on to DirectTV. I bought it this year (no more though).

Now that I can watch every game slot televised I think besides chord cutters, bad reffing and ridiculous commercial breaks, over saturation is a problem. Sundays and Mondays were religious, the occasional Thursday fun. Now it's over done.

I still watch every single game I can, but I can see how it could wear thin on some people.
Pretty much only watch the Giants anymore  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/15/2016 7:11 pm : link
the Giants have been the center of my sports interest for over 40 years. I rarely watch the playoffs and Super Bowl these days. When Eli retires I wonder if I will hold on as a football fan anymore. I hope so but it will be a test.
I miss a clean broadcast  
Giants_ROK : 10/15/2016 9:15 pm : link
like this one:
Goal line stand against the Bears - ( New Window )
BTW,  
Giants_ROK : 10/15/2016 9:20 pm : link
I sat in section 127 for that game; my usual seats were in 109.

Watched the tape when I got home. What a day!
Violence used to be one of the big attractions of the NFL  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 10/16/2016 1:58 pm : link
ESPN on its Sunday morning program used to feature a video of the ten biggest hit of the week before. Just about all of these hits today would result in ejection.

NFL can't go back to that era, but has to make some concessions to the fans. No roughing the quarterback for a moderate shove in the back after the whistle. Penalize the player, not the team for taunting. With only 16 games a year, you can't have one of the games decided by an official's judgment that a player wasn't polite enough to the other team after scoring.

I don't know if the rule on what constitutes a pass reception was changed or officials just started calling it different. but the old way of judging receptions, pretty much just catching the ball, keeping it in your hands for two seconds and still having it in your hands when you hit the ground. ("The ground can't cause a fumble")

Now they watch the receiver four times in super slow motion and strain to see if he jiggled the ball for a half a second on the way down.
Unwatchable.  
Britt in VA : 10/16/2016 4:13 pm : link
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chris r : 10/16/2016 5:23 pm : link
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NFL ratings plunge could spell doom for traditional TV - ( New Window )
Could not  
Rolyrock : 10/20/2016 7:06 am : link
Agree more with this thread. The NFL product has become watered down, inconsistent, unprofessional and insulting to wathch.
Eh...ratings of NFL games aside...  
RC02XX : 10/20/2016 8:34 am : link
For many of you during games (in game threads) and after the games (fromfollow on celebratory or bitchfest threads), you seem to be pretty damn passionate about our Giants at least.

If the games or the results of games caused you to lose sleep (some posters have mentioned that in previous posts), go ballastic on the team or other posters, or spend hours of your week talking about all the mistakes or whatnots, then your still pretty much invested in this team no matter if your have or haven't lost passion for it or relate to the team or players.

Once we start winning again, most of you guys will change your tunes. Winning solves everything.

I'll never lose passion or interest in the Giants. As far as other teams/games go, I'll watch them over many other things on TV, but won't really bat an eye if I have something else to do.
Ronnie  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2016 8:38 am : link
for the Giants, i'm sure most of that is true, but not the NFL. The product is brutal and has so many problems. I'll always watch the Giants play regardless of our record, but that's the extent of my NFL interest outside of following players in my 1 fantasy league. Even interest there is waning. I still pay attention and am very much active on fantasy related topics, but I went from 3 leagues to 1.

Winning cures everything, but it won't fix the larger issues with the NFL.
Ronnie  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 8:44 am : link
I honestly think that, in many cases, habit is a powerful force. The same reasons I have lost interest in the league as a whole apply to the Giants, but I've been following them for 30 years. It's second nature to watch the games, follow team news, obsess over statistics, and so on. It's reflexive.
RE: Ronnie  
RC02XX : 10/20/2016 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13182319 UConn4523 said:
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for the Giants, i'm sure most of that is true, but not the NFL. The product is brutal and has so many problems. I'll always watch the Giants play regardless of our record, but that's the extent of my NFL interest outside of following players in my 1 fantasy league. Even interest there is waning. I still pay attention and am very much active on fantasy related topics, but I went from 3 leagues to 1.

Winning cures everything, but it won't fix the larger issues with the NFL.


Yeah...for the most part, my comment was in response to people saying they've lost interest or passion for the Giants. I can see that for the wider NFL, but no matter what anyone says, Giants still being out strong responses from most of us.
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