the quick screen to the wide receiver - which I think would work just fine with a shifty wr like beckham. Get him the ball and let him do what he can with it. The giants used this play a lot previously with both Nicks and Manningham with a lot of success.
The backshoulder throw the Giants always used with Hakeem Nicks along the sideline or in the redzone.
Its time for McAdoo to try some new wrinkles here since it appears the two deep safety look causes his entire gameplan to fold on itself.
Back shoulder throws aren't really a "play". It's an adjustment the QB-WR make based on the CBs positioning.
i'm sure there are plays to get the ball into OBJs hands, i'm also guessing that they don't want him taking unnecessary hits if they can avoid it.
It's also a pretty shitty idea with a WR like Beckham who is often 1-2 steps beyond the CB to begin with. So a back shoulder throw will be right into the CB....
in the redzone it would work often with beckham easily. everyone thinking fade, back shoulder throw instead, cant defend it....
But hey, keep trying.
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throws into cover 2 where the corner is squatting on a route? Huh?
in the redzone it would work often with beckham easily. everyone thinking fade, back shoulder throw instead, cant defend it....
Except the CB is still squatting on it. We tried a back shoulder throw in the end zone to Donnell. It him in a bad spot.
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might be one of the worst plays to try and run against the Cover 2, unless you can get the safeties to bite on seam routes and/or the slot guy.
It's also a pretty shitty idea with a WR like Beckham who is often 1-2 steps beyond the CB to begin with. So a back shoulder throw will be right into the CB....
Against a cover 2, a back shoulder pass turns into a front shoulder interception.
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throws into cover 2 where the corner is squatting on a route? Huh?
in the redzone it would work often with beckham easily. everyone thinking fade, back shoulder throw instead, cant defend it....
Except Beckham's doubled nearly every play, especially in the red zone. Back shoulder throws don't work in double coverage.
you act as if the only defense we face is cover 2. Time and place for everything. The WR screen is something that is missing and every single team runs it
Giants2012, that play worked because Burress was a physical freak of nature. 6' 5" with that enormous wingspan, it was easy pickings for him. Beckham has the hands but not the body type for that play
We do run it occasionally. We ran one this past weekend even.
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throws into cover 2 where the corner is squatting on a route? Huh?
you act as if the only defense we face is cover 2. Time and place for everything. The WR screen is something that is missing and every single team runs it
So you want to throw the backshoulder in the few plays where it hasnt been cover 2? Man, defenses will never figure that out.
And again. OBJ has been doubled or bracketed nearly every play this year. You cannot run it with type of coverage.
Giants2012, that play worked because Burress was a physical freak of nature. 6' 5" with that enormous wingspan, it was easy pickings for him. Beckham has the hands but not the body type for that play
Agreed, that why I mentioned Barden. I was hoping he could have done the same. I don't see it working with this group. They need a Kelvin Benjamin for that play IMO.
These were my observations from being in the stadium and not watching on TV.
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throws into cover 2 where the corner is squatting on a route? Huh?
you act as if the only defense we face is cover 2. Time and place for everything. The WR screen is something that is missing and every single team runs it
So you want to throw the backshoulder in the few plays where it hasnt been cover 2? Man, defenses will never figure that out.
And again. OBJ has been doubled or bracketed nearly every play this year. You cannot run it with type of coverage.
Lmao where the heck did I say yea let's throw it every time the defense isn't in a cover 2. Man, some funny people here. And btw a wr screen against cover 2 does work with proper blocking by the wr. We cannot say "okay ther erunning cover 2 let's throw out half our playbook." All of you act like Gil brides offense was stale and don't work and now your missing it. Hysterical
Last year he was more involved .Imo he brings a lacking physicality and tough guy to the offense, they have Rainey if need be for specials
Send Harris over the middle a few times he's a tough kid and maybe fire up that offense and I believe he can be a Bavaro type leader.
It's worth a shot !
If the team needs to see a guy knocked silly to get fired up, I don't know what to say.
"Hey look, Harris just got concussed. Let's charge up that hill, men!!!"
At least change it up a bit instead of the same 11 offense they run almost every play. I know they love the 3 WR look and it was their best O and quite effective for a while but it's not getting in the end zone now and kind of predictable,IMO.
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Send Harris over the middle a few times he's a tough kid and maybe fire up that offense and I believe he can be a Bavaro type leader. Ok Fat Man let's forget about the hitting part and all your theatrics ,
when the guy is healthy I think it would be good strategy to get him more involved what do you think ?
If the team needs to see a guy knocked silly to get fired up, I don't know what to say.
"Hey look, Harris just got concussed. Let's charge up that hill, men!!!"
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Send Harris over the middle a few times he's a tough kid and maybe fire up that offense and I believe he can be a Bavaro type leader. Ok Fat Man let's forget about the hitting part and all your theatrics ,
when the guy is healthy I think it would be good strategy to get him more involved what do you think ?
If the team needs to see a guy knocked silly to get fired up, I don't know what to say.
"Hey look, Harris just got concussed. Let's charge up that hill, men!!!"
when the guy is healthy I think it would be good strategy to get him more involved what do you think ?
This +1
All of our WR's have shown to be less than capable blockers in both the pass and the running game.
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let's forget about the hitting part and all your theatrics ,
when the guy is healthy I think it would be good strategy to get him more involved what do you think ?
He's a great insurance policy if somebody gets hurt but his value is as a returner. If he's playing, one of the other WR's aren't.
But hey, have him go over the middle and show his toughness. Maybe he can rip his jersey off and pound his chest too. A little Braveheart action!
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throws into cover 2 where the corner is squatting on a route? Huh?
you act as if the only defense we face is cover 2. Time and place for everything. The WR screen is something that is missing and every single team runs it
So you want to throw the backshoulder in the few plays where it hasnt been cover 2? Man, defenses will never figure that out.
And again. OBJ has been doubled or bracketed nearly every play this year. You cannot run it with type of coverage.
Lmao where the heck did I say yea let's throw it every time the defense isn't in a cover 2. Man, some funny people here. And btw a wr screen against cover 2 does work with proper blocking by the wr. We cannot say "okay ther erunning cover 2 let's throw out half our playbook." All of you act like Gil brides offense was stale and don't work and now your missing it. Hysterical
Who is talking about a WR screen. We are talking about back shoulder throws against a cover 2. Try to keep up already.
However, if you can send three vertical routes against the C2 and force the FS to triangulate, a deep fade can be effective and mistaken for a "back shoulder" throw. Maybe that's what you mean?
Agree and goes to my point after the last loss. The packers were playing "quarters" out there. Basically taking away the shallow and deep to the outside of the field. We were running our routes INTO those areas vs over the middle. Basically, making it easier for them to defend us.
It actually looked like someone on our side of the ball (Ben, Eli or someone) was being paid by GB to throw the game.
more play action passes too to open up the intermediate passing game.
more play action passes too to open up the intermediate passing game.
tough to run play action when nobody respects your running game.
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would like to see the giants come out in no huddle on sunday - go up tempo, script the first 10-15 plays, dictate the terms rather than read and react.
more play action passes too to open up the intermediate passing game.
tough to run play action when nobody respects your running game.
variety of those.
and more play action - from those.
less 'catch mode' 'on heels wide stance' required from our OL for all sorts of plays both run and pass.
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are useless in the red zone since they only work when the CB keeps going deep.
But hey, keep trying.
I mean not much is working right now since our O-line
can't run block enough to get the safties to commit ..
I rarely see Eli with a clean pocket either . I don't and
no one should perfection . I guess the coach calls it
a Hot Pocket ... Those things are gross IMO ..
The play is called "hey, let's start playing offense."
Will not work without a good sized receiver and won't work with this set of players. Hence the need for a possession receiver. Everyone is very excited by our names but I believe Giants need a size guy and to move Shepard into slot. Cruz is probably going to end up with ok stats but my guess is Giants need to push Shepard in slot and get a bigger wideout outside.
OR get a tight end and keep these receivers. But the lack of a big receiver is something Eli misses right now.
Cover 2 should be attacked primarily with smash routes and putting a set of receivers on a single safety in a trip or bunch and forcing safety to make a choice.