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5 Weeks into the McAdoo Era...What do we think?

Josh in the City : 10/14/2016 2:03 pm
Granted it's early but this team has already been through some ups and downs. I'm curious what most people think about McAdoo as a head coach and what your thought on him are both long and short term. Do you think he will be the HC of this team for the foreseeable future or will he be the beginning of another coaching carousel?

Personally, I don't think he's done a great job with this team though I haven't noticed much difference in terms of on-the-field play b/w this team and Coughlin's teams of the past few seasons. We played clean football the first couple of weeks (even if our offense wasn't great) which left me encouraged...especially after the last few years of really sloppy football. But the past 3 weeks, the penalties, bonehaded plays and turnovers have started creeping back in and have cost us a few precious wins.

Surprisingly, our offense seems to have taken a big step backwards this year and the offensive line has not taken any noticeable steps forward with the new oline coach. Also, while I was a proponent of McAdoo calling the plays before the season, it seems that, as a rookie head coach, it might make more sense for him to focus his attention on the team as a whole during games instead and let Sullivan take over play calling. Some of the game and clock management hasn't been great these first few games and I would have liked to see better control of OBJ during the 2 games where he lost his mind.

Again, I know it's too early to form any opinions of substance at this point but there is at least a sample size to judge from. So what do you think?
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since you asked  
HomerJones45 : 10/14/2016 4:12 pm : link
1. The people who thought getting rid of the coach would solve everything seriously underestimated the lack of talent on the roster;

2. They also underestimated the time for on-the-job training a brand-spanking new head coach would need;

3. They seriously underestimated the other teams in the division;

4. The team needs more speed on the roster;

5. Spags still sucks. He may be able to produce much with much but so can just about anyone else;

6. There is still time to make the playoffs. No panic yet.
Our wins, we had turnovers and penalties  
barens : 10/14/2016 4:14 pm : link
As well, it just caught up to us.
IMO he seems to be overthinking the strategy  
montanagiant : 10/14/2016 4:25 pm : link
Which has led to some weird ultra conservative playcalling at the wrong times.

The only team that has beaten us is the Vikes, we beat ourselves against the Packers, and the Skins game was a combo of coaching decisions and undisciplined players that caused that one
Deeply disappointed...  
gmen4ever : 10/14/2016 4:37 pm : link
and quite surprised. With a good draft I did expect more. He seems like he's lost. The turnovers and the penalties are not improving. Eli is playing horribly, and the play calling is suspect. The DL is not getting enough pressure, shouldn't he be in the ear of Spags?

In fairness, it is early as many on here have said. I just expected more focus, intensity and tenacity and I see none of that to date.
RE: RE: 12 wins over two years  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13173211 shelovesnycsports said:
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No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB

What a surprise the record is 2-3


Wow I swore that the last couple of years Coughlin was the coach?
Mac is 2-3


and they weren't any better disciplined under Coughlin. So much for the draft strategy of focussing on college captains.

So far I don't think much  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2016 5:04 pm : link
McAdoo worries me. He doesn't seem to be the type of coach who is a leader, he seems to be a more cerebral, X's and O's, "its the players responsibility to get fired up", type coach. I much prefer the Parcells type of coach.

Spags doesn't inspire me either.
RE: So far I don't think much  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2016 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13173249 PatersonPlank said:
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McAdoo worries me. He doesn't seem to be the type of coach who is a leader, he seems to be a more cerebral, X's and O's, "its the players responsibility to get fired up", type coach. I much prefer the Parcells type of coach..


Parcells went 3-12-1 in his rookie year. You would likely have blasted him him too. Belicheck, no doubt you would post this cerebral theory during his early HC years too.

I think until the Giants can play against cover two  
joeinpa : 10/14/2016 5:13 pm : link
And rush the passer, he will continue to be a bad coach
Hiring McAdoo was to keep offensive continuity  
joe48 : 10/14/2016 5:22 pm : link
That has not worked too well as the offense and Eli look out of sync. The mere fact he had to keep some of the coordinators makes you think FO did not think he was ready. The FO continues to try and tweak this team instead of bringing in a while new staff.
They have wasted Eli's prime with all this BS.
Underwhelmed.....  
Reb8thVA : 10/14/2016 5:24 pm : link
I was never all that impressed with the offense. Yes it racked up huge numbers but it was terribly inconsistent and would disappear at times.

I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.
Same Here...  
Bluesbreaker : 10/14/2016 6:06 pm : link
Underwhelmed.....
Reb8thVA : 5:24 pm : link : reply
I was never all that impressed with the offense. Yes it racked up huge numbers but it was terribly inconsistent and would disappear at times.

I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.

Reece is the reason that we had to rebuild the Defense .
Its poor drafting .
I'm in the minority about the offensive numbers and the
6th rated offense . Its the same old thing we can't run
the ball . Nor do they create a decent pocket .
Zero Impact players at too many positions .
The best move we made was not signing JPP long term and
no knock on him the injury is going to limit him .
Ben has to play the cards he was dealt but I expected
a hell of a lot more offensively . I hope he can right
the ship and it has to start with two wins before the
bye ...
One thing Parcells always mentioned  
Vanzetti : 10/14/2016 6:06 pm : link
is how important his head coaching gig at the Air Force Academy was.

Even if it was brief, he gained experience in how to run things.

That was my one big reservation with BM.
So far, I'm not impressed.  
compton : 10/14/2016 6:41 pm : link
Then again I was not impressed with him as the OC the prior two years. I understand why the Giants promoted him to HC even though I was not sold on the idea. But I was hoping he would show more (something, anything) than he has so far.
McAddo  
giantfan2000 : 10/14/2016 6:41 pm : link
I can see any successful scenario where a rookie HC can also be calling plays during a game.

He needs to delegate
Not too impressed.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2016 6:48 pm : link
His clock management has been dreadful. His reasoning for not challenging vs. GB late was pathetic. His handling of the whole OBJ mess was piss poor.

And, most importantly, his baby, the offense, is sputtering in its tracks.
To be determined  
Carl in CT : 10/14/2016 7:41 pm : link
In my book. If we win this week we could still have a very successful season and yes I mean playoffs. If not, Monday I will say I'm disappointed.
not impressed  
mdc1 : 10/14/2016 8:47 pm : link
but the season is not over yet. His teams have not come prepared for games, reflecting on him and his staff. They make many mistakes and in many ways do not play like a professional team. The trend right now suggests more losses as we have really not seen fundamental improvements each week.

Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.

RE: not impressed  
phillygiant : 10/14/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13173358 mdc1 said:
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but the season is not over yet. His teams have not come prepared for games, reflecting on him and his staff. They make many mistakes and in many ways do not play like a professional team. The trend right now suggests more losses as we have really not seen fundamental improvements each week.

Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.


Not make an NFL throw consistently?

Once again you prove what a total fucking idiot you are
I'm thinking he's probably not  
santacruzom : 10/14/2016 10:08 pm : link
Going to be a great head coach. Most head coaches aren't.
RE: RE: not impressed  
dep026 : 10/14/2016 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13173366 phillygiant said:
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but the season is not over yet. His teams have not come prepared for games, reflecting on him and his staff. They make many mistakes and in many ways do not play like a professional team. The trend right now suggests more losses as we have really not seen fundamental improvements each week.

Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.




Not make an NFL throw consistently?

Once again you prove what a total fucking idiot you are


One of the worst on the site. I swear there are too many "fans" here who rather see Eli fail so they can bitch about him than actually see him succeed. We even hada a poster here today say it was Cruz who carried us in 2011.
He's a major work-in-progress ...  
Beer Man : 10/14/2016 10:50 pm : link
The same could be said for the team
RE: RE: I think I won't know  
djstat : 10/14/2016 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13173108 Josh in the City said:
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until at least a season or two. I'm rooting for him, though.



Of course, none of us will know before then. But you can still have an opinion based on what you've seen.
My opinion is this is a stupid thread. Has Mac's play calling been bad or if WR's don't drop six TD passes early on then numbers look prettier. OL not letting our QB get killed. No fumbles wouldhelp. Etc. How has Maac's play calling been an effect of all that
Eli  
eliapple : 10/14/2016 11:18 pm : link
Isnt right qb for system..
Oline either.
Obviously, as a Giant's fan ... I am rooting for him.  
short lease : 10/15/2016 2:49 am : link
It is early and I really do NOT have any info (outside info ... or inside) but, it seems (SEEMS) like he is a "Player's Coach"(?). Team seems to be playing with a lack of discipline - foolish penalties, no sense of urgency, etc ... They seem to be playing like they know nothing will happen if the fail. No passion or fire ... (?)

IDK ... we will see. The last time a coach fit the traditional description of a "Players Coach" was Fassell I believe and he did get the Giants to the Superbowl.

But, he is a young head coach in charge of a relatively young team. Patience? at this point .... ?
RE: Well its your first week at work  
adamg : 10/15/2016 3:08 am : link
In comment 13173203 shelovesnycsports said:
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How does everyone feel about the new guy? The threads suck today.


I'm with you and djstat. These threads abandoning ship after 5 weeks are pathetic. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I think we're progressing as a team. Not to mention the fact we could be 4-1 right now if things go a little bit differently. The GB and DC games were very winnable.

Also, Eli - who apparently sucks now - is 4-5 dropped passes away from having career best numbers. He's having a career high completion percentage season as is. He has also tied his career low for INT%. So, yeah. Don't let the facts get in the way of your whining contest.
Well,  
Doomster : 10/15/2016 6:27 am : link
RE: Well its your first week at work
adamg : 3:08 am : link : reply

I'm with you and djstat. These threads abandoning ship after 5 weeks are pathetic. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I think we're progressing as a team. Not to mention the fact we could be 4-1 right now if things go a little bit differently. The GB and DC games were very winnable.


The majority are not abandoning ship.....but they are also not satisfied with the status quo....many fantasized, that TC was THE PROBLEM....with him gone, we would see immediate results....even if we don't see the playoffs? We have missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years...7 out of 8 is ok? Even after we cut out that cancer Coughlin(sarcasm on) and spent $200M? And yes we could be 4-1, and by the same token, we could also be 1-4.....a depression is setting in, because expectations were unreasonably high, for a new HC, and all the new pieces playing well together....



Also, Eli - who apparently sucks now - is 4-5 dropped passes away from having career best numbers. He's having a career high completion percentage season as is. He has also tied his career low for INT%. So, yeah. Don't let the facts get in the way of your whining contest.

This is too small a sample to judge Eli.....his NO game skews a small sample size....but completion/interception % means nothing, if he is also only going to throw 16 td's all season, which would be a career low........Eli is not the Eli of 2011.....but playing behind 5 years of bad OL's, has to have had some effect on him.....I'm not judging him, until the season is over....as you have stated, there have been dropped balls, fumbles, penalties....it's not all on Eli...

It's at the point where, if Mac can't turn this season around, especially if we lose to Baltimore, then yes, you might have to put your life preserver on....there were high expectations.....many wondered how Mac would motivate the team after it's first loss....it's now up to 3 in a row... a fourth, and it could really spiral out of control, especially with Philly and Cinci after the bye.....a win, can give us some momentum into the bye, if we can also beat the Rams.....these next two games could be the Giant season, and it's only October.....
One thing that'll get my confidence up on Mac  
micky : 10/15/2016 7:52 am : link
is to get this team more disciplined..clean up mistakes so they're are just minor and not one main reasons for losses.

Also, first year blunders, decisions, ways etc are given. Let's see in year 2 or 3. Remember, TC took awhile in his ways, stern set in ways, til he changed up and loosened up (more than a few seasons)

Just at a skeptical point with Mac now, but opportunity is there to be a good long term HC...we'll see
RE: hes certainly not afraid  
gtt350 : 10/15/2016 9:09 am : link
In comment 13173184 YorkAveGiant said:
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to punt



ha, post of the week
I'm very discouraged by him as an in-game coach  
LatHarv83 : 10/15/2016 9:40 am : link
Meaning clock management, timeout management, challenge decisions and non decisions etc, it's actually been pretty brutal... but that's just one aspect, and most of a coaches value comes from Monday through Saturday... we won't truly know with him for a while.

The team is 2-3. But the schedule has been tough. I'm expecting a turn around here coming immediately because the schedule is very manageable through about thanksgiving. He's the coach I wanted them to hire. I'm not giving up. But I do like him a little less than I did 5 weeks ago because of some of these in-game concerns
Tomorrow will  
Rick5 : 10/15/2016 9:42 am : link
tell us a lot. It is pretty close to a must win game, imo. This team probably isn't talented enough to go 8-2 or 7-3 if they lose tomorrow.
5 weeks  
bc4life : 10/15/2016 11:26 am : link
I think our Oline isn't where we need it to be yet and we are hampered by injuries - sound familiar?
Give McAdoo (or any coach) the Giants team of 1986 and he's  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 11:57 am : link
going to look like a genius. Bottom line is this. There are 32 teams in the league. All things being even (even though they aren't), that means a SB Win once every 32 years. Giants have had two recently. The SB coach is gone. The SB QB is old.

Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB. Can they win one with McAdoo and Manning? Of course - but the odds are against McAdoo winning a SB.

Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.

I know we all like to believe the Giants have some magical power that enables them to beat the odds of one every 32 years. Maybe that was true of some teams before free agency, but with mandatory spending and other efforts to enforce parity, the odds are more and more just that - statistical odds - and with parity the chicken is coming home to roost and it is likely the Giants will have to wait their statistical turn). So, sit back and relax. There probably isn't much that can be done about parity and statistics and therefore not much reason to get all worked up - it's sort of like getting upset at the weather - there isn't much any of us can do about it. I'm afraid it is very likely to be a very looooooong wait.
RE: Give McAdoo (or any coach) the Giants team of 1986 and he's  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2016 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13173539 baadbill said:
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Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB.
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Stop, it's not that simple. The NFL isn't statistic socialism. Want to bet the Pittsburgh Steelers will win more Championships over he next 30 years than the Cincy Bengals?

There is a difference in ownership too. The stable ownership, the better coaches, the better scouts, etc increase the odds or maybe the luck of winning.

You don't draft a franchise QB and feel the odds on winning a Super Bowl are even with every team over a 32 year period or less than 31 teams b/c you just won a Super Bowl.
RE: RE: Give McAdoo (or any coach) the Giants team of 1986 and he's  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13173540 Giants2012 said:
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Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB.
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Stop, it's not that simple. The NFL isn't statistic socialism. Want to bet the Pittsburgh Steelers will win more Championships over he next 30 years than the Cincy Bengals?

There is a difference in ownership too. The stable ownership, the better coaches, the better scouts, etc increase the odds or maybe the luck of winning.

You don't draft a franchise QB and feel the odds on winning a Super Bowl are even with every team over a 32 year period or less than 31 teams b/c you just won a Super Bowl.


Of course it's not the simple. But the truth is - for every team that wins more than 1 trophy in 32 years, another team has to now wait 33 years for their trophy. That's simple math.

The Giants have won 4 trophies in 30 years. That is WAY over average. They have had some long waits (20 years before 1986) - but even that was under average.

32 years is a lifetime (ok, a little less than 1/2 of a lifetime). To believe in the era of parity that the Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Cowboys are ALWAYS going to beat the odds is just wishful thinking. It isn't going to happen. But it's nice to dream. Better than facing reality.
The Giants won 4 SB in the last 30 years... they are NOT  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 12:34 pm : link
winning 4 SB in the next 30 years. Especially not with parity - but the odds would be against them even without FA and parity. The same is true for the Patiots, Steelers, and Cowboys.

And when you think of it - 4 SB in 30 years - while 4x the statistical average - still means 26 years out of 30 without a trophy. We've been spoiled over the past 10 years. And it just isn't possible to win 2 SB every 10 years. It just isn't going to happen. We are almost certainly going to have a much longer wait than 10 years for the next one. Will it be 25? Will it be 40? Who knows.

But 26 years out of 30 WITHOUT a championship seems shitty - when in fact it is FANTASTIC. So get ready for some of those 26 years without a trophy because the dry years all fans HAVE to live through are probably here.
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Rick5 : 10/15/2016 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13173539 baadbill said:
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Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.

No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.
RE: ...  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13173577 Rick5 said:
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Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.



No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.


Ok. So their probability remains 1 every 32 years.
Re: It's Not that Simple  
pivo : 10/15/2016 2:56 pm : link
Baad & G2012's comments are both valid and mixing them together gives a pretty good perspective. True, you can't win every year, but I think the teams that beat the odds are those with class organizations.

Every day I wake up and think "we could have Jerruh, or, God forbid, Danny boy". We are blessed with a good organization and have born the fruits of that.

So yeah, as micromanaging fans we point to every effin' play that caused defeat. That's our pleasure. But those of us that have been doing this BBI thing for a while tend to be a bit more patient.

The thing that is on my mind at this point is not so much if we make the playoffs this year, but what will fandome be like after Eli. Elis don't come along very often. And will he fall off a cliff like his brother, leaving us...what?

Back to the point - is BM a BB? Probably not. Is he an RH? Please dear God, no. Then again, BB was 2-3 after his 1st 5 games as Browns HC. I choose to wait & see.
RE: RE: RE: Give McAdoo (or any coach) the Giants team of 1986 and he's  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2016 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13173543 baadbill said:
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). To believe in the era of parity that the Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Cowboys are ALWAYS going to beat the odds is just wishful thinking. It isn't going to happen. But it's nice to dream. Better than facing reality.


Put 32 names in a hat. If you believe after 32 picks you would have picked every team once I'd say that's a dream and hardly reality.
The wrong one......  
Millburn : 10/15/2016 3:43 pm : link
The wrong one got fired,it should have been Reese.
Unqualified. Just like Mara and Tisch.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/15/2016 3:50 pm : link
Neither is qualified for their positons other than by DNA. I'm no lover sure that this team will be good again in the foreseeable future. I mean 10-11 wins good. Dude shouldn't have been interviewed. Is what it is.
RE: The wrong one......  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2016 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13173629 Millburn said:
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The wrong one got fired,it should have been Reese.


Disgree. Anybody still thinking Reese makes the picks is astonishingly lost. On the flip side, the removal of Coughlin indicates the FO believes coaching was an issue. The FO is out of people. The FO votes on picks, the scouts, etc. They're out of bodies and Mara has nothing to look to besides a mirror if this doesn't work.
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baadbill : 10/15/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13173577 Rick5 said:
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Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.



No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.


And Rick, while you are correct that a flip of a coin is 50/50 even if there were 20 "heads" in a row, there is also a concept of "reversion to the mean" ... with enough coin flips, 50% will be "heads" even if there are periods of 20 heads in a row (meaning at some point there will be an absence of "heads" sufficient to bring the statistics back to 50/50).
It's a 32 headed coin  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2016 4:43 pm : link
which won't be even after 32 flips.
RE: It's a 32 headed coin  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13173659 Giants2012 said:
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which won't be even after 32 flips.


No shit. And there's zero reason to believe the Giants "beat the odds" and get 4 SB in the next 32 "flips" like they did the last 30 - especially since 2 of those Super Bowls were pre-free agency when teams really could build dynasties. Now luck of the draw is so much more a part of winning.

Odds of 1 in 32 aren't very good. Hell winning 4 in 30 years (not winning 26 of those years) sounds pretty lousy when in fact its 4x the odds.
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Giants2012 : 10/15/2016 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13173675 baadbill said:
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which won't be even after 32 flips.



No shit. And there's zero reason to believe the Giants "beat the odds" and get 4 SB in the next 32 "flips" like they did the last 30 - especially since 2 of those Super Bowls were pre-free agency when teams really could build dynasties. Now luck of the draw is so much more a part of winning.

Odds of 1 in 32 aren't very good. Hell winning 4 in 30 years (not winning 26 of those years) sounds pretty lousy when in fact its 4x the odds.


Oh please lol. Your theory either has more holes than Swiss cheese or you can't figure out how to make a point without contradicting yourself. Telling others "it"s a dream" and preaching your delusions of reality that statistics will even themselves out over 32 teams in a 32 year timeframe is ridiculous. The Jets haven't even had a franchise QB in 40+ years while the the Bengals, Browns, Eagles and Chargers haven't even won a Super Bowl. So much for the odds evening out over 32 years as none of those mentioned, bedside the Jets, could win the Super Bowl with less than 32 teams.
Giants2012  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 5:59 pm : link
I said no such thing. I didn't say odds will even themselves out over 32 years. That's stupid. That would just be one round through.

What I said is that there is no reason for Giants fans to believe the Giants are going to "beat the odds" over the next 32 years. And there isn't any reason to believe that. To expect a SB any time soon is pure fantasy.
RE: Josh, worse than that, how long is Reese's rope after this?  
Spider 67 : 10/15/2016 6:34 pm : link
In comment 13173173 Victor in CT said:
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They are all on different contract schedules, GM, HC, Coordinators all on different terms. To me it's very dysfunctional.

If you can Reese, would a new, competent GM want to come in with a failed HC whom he didn't choose? And a holdover staff? The whole m.o. the last 5 yrs of year to year with Coughlin, changing Coordinators (except Quinn of course)and position coaches piecemeal, promoting an Off Co with a limited resume' to HC but not cleaning out the failed staff to me just breeds confusion and ineptitude.
Different contract schedules is the start of it. MaAdoo was picked by ownership to run a west coast offense, quick passes to running backs and tight ends due to poor offensive line. The GM gave him 3 WR's that do their best work deep and middle range. To get the most out of these receivers, a strong offensive line is needed. Fran Tarkenton and, to a lesser extent, Norm Snead had success running their version of the west coast offense because they had Bob Tucker, Ron Johnson and Tucker Frederickson grabbing all the short passes, spread out the width of the field and allowed for the occasional long pass to someone like Clifton McNeil. Drop back 3 steps and pass to a great TE or RB. These Giants don't have the personal to run a west coast offense, they have WR's that require the line to give the QB more time to utilize them properly. A running game is also needed with this WR heavy offense to keep the other team's D in a little bit and have some sort of clock management control. This offense's skilled players is built for for Kevin Gilbride. He couldn't make it work because he didn't have an offensive line, I don't think anyone could.

GM's need to pick their head coaches to coach the players he feels he needs. That's not happening here. Coach and GM are on 2 different pages. The only other way to do it is when you have a coach like Belichick who can run everything...and McAdoo is no Belichick.

Please don't think I'm defending Reese or McAdoo, I feel strongly that a great offense starts with a great O line and I'm not a fan of using the west coast offense to make up for a poor line. The first thing Andy Robustelli tried to do when he was hired was build an O line. He failed. That set the team back 5 years. Let's hope Reese doesn't fail too.
the simple fact that OBJ is being  
Jersey55 : 10/16/2016 11:16 am : link
defensed out of the game means to me that we are being out coached, no team with a weapon like OBJ can allow another team to neutralize him.....
RE: the simple fact that OBJ is being  
Giants2012 : 10/17/2016 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13174073 Jersey55 said:
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defensed out of the game means to me that we are being out coached, no team with a weapon like OBJ can allow another team to neutralize him.....


Oh really? If you're a DC how do you defend the Giants? The whole offense is Eli to Beckham. Nothing else really works. The Ravens DB's were injured and suddenly OBJ is open for two home runs. Otherwise, it was a struggle.
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