Granted it's early but this team has already been through some ups and downs. I'm curious what most people think about McAdoo as a head coach and what your thought on him are both long and short term. Do you think he will be the HC of this team for the foreseeable future or will he be the beginning of another coaching carousel?
Personally, I don't think he's done a great job with this team though I haven't noticed much difference in terms of on-the-field play b/w this team and Coughlin's teams of the past few seasons. We played clean football the first couple of weeks (even if our offense wasn't great) which left me encouraged...especially after the last few years of really sloppy football. But the past 3 weeks, the penalties, bonehaded plays and turnovers have started creeping back in and have cost us a few precious wins.
Surprisingly, our offense seems to have taken a big step backwards this year and the offensive line has not taken any noticeable steps forward with the new oline coach. Also, while I was a proponent of McAdoo calling the plays before the season, it seems that, as a rookie head coach, it might make more sense for him to focus his attention on the team as a whole during games instead and let Sullivan take over play calling. Some of the game and clock management hasn't been great these first few games and I would have liked to see better control of OBJ during the 2 games where he lost his mind.
Again, I know it's too early to form any opinions of substance at this point but there is at least a sample size to judge from. So what do you think?
2. They also underestimated the time for on-the-job training a brand-spanking new head coach would need;
3. They seriously underestimated the other teams in the division;
4. The team needs more speed on the roster;
5. Spags still sucks. He may be able to produce much with much but so can just about anyone else;
6. There is still time to make the playoffs. No panic yet.
The only team that has beaten us is the Vikes, we beat ourselves against the Packers, and the Skins game was a combo of coaching decisions and undisciplined players that caused that one
In fairness, it is early as many on here have said. I just expected more focus, intensity and tenacity and I see none of that to date.
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No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB
What a surprise the record is 2-3
Wow I swore that the last couple of years Coughlin was the coach?
Mac is 2-3
and they weren't any better disciplined under Coughlin. So much for the draft strategy of focussing on college captains.
Spags doesn't inspire me either.
Parcells went 3-12-1 in his rookie year. You would likely have blasted him him too. Belicheck, no doubt you would post this cerebral theory during his early HC years too.
They have wasted Eli's prime with all this BS.
I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.
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I was never all that impressed with the offense. Yes it racked up huge numbers but it was terribly inconsistent and would disappear at times.
I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.
Reece is the reason that we had to rebuild the Defense .
Its poor drafting .
I'm in the minority about the offensive numbers and the
6th rated offense . Its the same old thing we can't run
the ball . Nor do they create a decent pocket .
Zero Impact players at too many positions .
The best move we made was not signing JPP long term and
no knock on him the injury is going to limit him .
Ben has to play the cards he was dealt but I expected
a hell of a lot more offensively . I hope he can right
the ship and it has to start with two wins before the
bye ...
Even if it was brief, he gained experience in how to run things.
That was my one big reservation with BM.
He needs to delegate
And, most importantly, his baby, the offense, is sputtering in its tracks.
Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.
Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.
Not make an NFL throw consistently?
Once again you prove what a total fucking idiot you are
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but the season is not over yet. His teams have not come prepared for games, reflecting on him and his staff. They make many mistakes and in many ways do not play like a professional team. The trend right now suggests more losses as we have really not seen fundamental improvements each week.
Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.
Not make an NFL throw consistently?
Once again you prove what a total fucking idiot you are
One of the worst on the site. I swear there are too many "fans" here who rather see Eli fail so they can bitch about him than actually see him succeed. We even hada a poster here today say it was Cruz who carried us in 2011.
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until at least a season or two. I'm rooting for him, though.
Of course, none of us will know before then. But you can still have an opinion based on what you've seen.
Oline either.
IDK ... we will see. The last time a coach fit the traditional description of a "Players Coach" was Fassell I believe and he did get the Giants to the Superbowl.
But, he is a young head coach in charge of a relatively young team. Patience? at this point .... ?
I'm with you and djstat. These threads abandoning ship after 5 weeks are pathetic. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I think we're progressing as a team. Not to mention the fact we could be 4-1 right now if things go a little bit differently. The GB and DC games were very winnable.
Also, Eli - who apparently sucks now - is 4-5 dropped passes away from having career best numbers. He's having a career high completion percentage season as is. He has also tied his career low for INT%. So, yeah. Don't let the facts get in the way of your whining contest.
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I'm with you and djstat. These threads abandoning ship after 5 weeks are pathetic. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I think we're progressing as a team. Not to mention the fact we could be 4-1 right now if things go a little bit differently. The GB and DC games were very winnable.
The majority are not abandoning ship.....but they are also not satisfied with the status quo....many fantasized, that TC was THE PROBLEM....with him gone, we would see immediate results....even if we don't see the playoffs? We have missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years...7 out of 8 is ok? Even after we cut out that cancer Coughlin(sarcasm on) and spent $200M? And yes we could be 4-1, and by the same token, we could also be 1-4.....a depression is setting in, because expectations were unreasonably high, for a new HC, and all the new pieces playing well together....
Also, Eli - who apparently sucks now - is 4-5 dropped passes away from having career best numbers. He's having a career high completion percentage season as is. He has also tied his career low for INT%. So, yeah. Don't let the facts get in the way of your whining contest.
This is too small a sample to judge Eli.....his NO game skews a small sample size....but completion/interception % means nothing, if he is also only going to throw 16 td's all season, which would be a career low........Eli is not the Eli of 2011.....but playing behind 5 years of bad OL's, has to have had some effect on him.....I'm not judging him, until the season is over....as you have stated, there have been dropped balls, fumbles, penalties....it's not all on Eli...
It's at the point where, if Mac can't turn this season around, especially if we lose to Baltimore, then yes, you might have to put your life preserver on....there were high expectations.....many wondered how Mac would motivate the team after it's first loss....it's now up to 3 in a row... a fourth, and it could really spiral out of control, especially with Philly and Cinci after the bye.....a win, can give us some momentum into the bye, if we can also beat the Rams.....these next two games could be the Giant season, and it's only October.....
Also, first year blunders, decisions, ways etc are given. Let's see in year 2 or 3. Remember, TC took awhile in his ways, stern set in ways, til he changed up and loosened up (more than a few seasons)
Just at a skeptical point with Mac now, but opportunity is there to be a good long term HC...we'll see
ha, post of the week
The team is 2-3. But the schedule has been tough. I'm expecting a turn around here coming immediately because the schedule is very manageable through about thanksgiving. He's the coach I wanted them to hire. I'm not giving up. But I do like him a little less than I did 5 weeks ago because of some of these in-game concerns
Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB. Can they win one with McAdoo and Manning? Of course - but the odds are against McAdoo winning a SB.
Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.
I know we all like to believe the Giants have some magical power that enables them to beat the odds of one every 32 years. Maybe that was true of some teams before free agency, but with mandatory spending and other efforts to enforce parity, the odds are more and more just that - statistical odds - and with parity the chicken is coming home to roost and it is likely the Giants will have to wait their statistical turn). So, sit back and relax. There probably isn't much that can be done about parity and statistics and therefore not much reason to get all worked up - it's sort of like getting upset at the weather - there isn't much any of us can do about it. I'm afraid it is very likely to be a very looooooong wait.
Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB.
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Stop, it's not that simple. The NFL isn't statistic socialism. Want to bet the Pittsburgh Steelers will win more Championships over he next 30 years than the Cincy Bengals?
There is a difference in ownership too. The stable ownership, the better coaches, the better scouts, etc increase the odds or maybe the luck of winning.
You don't draft a franchise QB and feel the odds on winning a Super Bowl are even with every team over a 32 year period or less than 31 teams b/c you just won a Super Bowl.
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Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB.
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Stop, it's not that simple. The NFL isn't statistic socialism. Want to bet the Pittsburgh Steelers will win more Championships over he next 30 years than the Cincy Bengals?
There is a difference in ownership too. The stable ownership, the better coaches, the better scouts, etc increase the odds or maybe the luck of winning.
You don't draft a franchise QB and feel the odds on winning a Super Bowl are even with every team over a 32 year period or less than 31 teams b/c you just won a Super Bowl.
Of course it's not the simple. But the truth is - for every team that wins more than 1 trophy in 32 years, another team has to now wait 33 years for their trophy. That's simple math.
The Giants have won 4 trophies in 30 years. That is WAY over average. They have had some long waits (20 years before 1986) - but even that was under average.
32 years is a lifetime (ok, a little less than 1/2 of a lifetime). To believe in the era of parity that the Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Cowboys are ALWAYS going to beat the odds is just wishful thinking. It isn't going to happen. But it's nice to dream. Better than facing reality.
And when you think of it - 4 SB in 30 years - while 4x the statistical average - still means 26 years out of 30 without a trophy. We've been spoiled over the past 10 years. And it just isn't possible to win 2 SB every 10 years. It just isn't going to happen. We are almost certainly going to have a much longer wait than 10 years for the next one. Will it be 25? Will it be 40? Who knows.
But 26 years out of 30 WITHOUT a championship seems shitty - when in fact it is FANTASTIC. So get ready for some of those 26 years without a trophy because the dry years all fans HAVE to live through are probably here.
Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.
No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.
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Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.
No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.
Ok. So their probability remains 1 every 32 years.
Every day I wake up and think "we could have Jerruh, or, God forbid, Danny boy". We are blessed with a good organization and have born the fruits of that.
So yeah, as micromanaging fans we point to every effin' play that caused defeat. That's our pleasure. But those of us that have been doing this BBI thing for a while tend to be a bit more patient.
The thing that is on my mind at this point is not so much if we make the playoffs this year, but what will fandome be like after Eli. Elis don't come along very often. And will he fall off a cliff like his brother, leaving us...what?
Back to the point - is BM a BB? Probably not. Is he an RH? Please dear God, no. Then again, BB was 2-3 after his 1st 5 games as Browns HC. I choose to wait & see.
Put 32 names in a hat. If you believe after 32 picks you would have picked every team once I'd say that's a dream and hardly reality.
Disgree. Anybody still thinking Reese makes the picks is astonishingly lost. On the flip side, the removal of Coughlin indicates the FO believes coaching was an issue. The FO is out of people. The FO votes on picks, the scouts, etc. They're out of bodies and Mara has nothing to look to besides a mirror if this doesn't work.
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Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.
No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.
And Rick, while you are correct that a flip of a coin is 50/50 even if there were 20 "heads" in a row, there is also a concept of "reversion to the mean" ... with enough coin flips, 50% will be "heads" even if there are periods of 20 heads in a row (meaning at some point there will be an absence of "heads" sufficient to bring the statistics back to 50/50).
No shit. And there's zero reason to believe the Giants "beat the odds" and get 4 SB in the next 32 "flips" like they did the last 30 - especially since 2 of those Super Bowls were pre-free agency when teams really could build dynasties. Now luck of the draw is so much more a part of winning.
Odds of 1 in 32 aren't very good. Hell winning 4 in 30 years (not winning 26 of those years) sounds pretty lousy when in fact its 4x the odds.
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which won't be even after 32 flips.
No shit. And there's zero reason to believe the Giants "beat the odds" and get 4 SB in the next 32 "flips" like they did the last 30 - especially since 2 of those Super Bowls were pre-free agency when teams really could build dynasties. Now luck of the draw is so much more a part of winning.
Odds of 1 in 32 aren't very good. Hell winning 4 in 30 years (not winning 26 of those years) sounds pretty lousy when in fact its 4x the odds.
Oh please lol. Your theory either has more holes than Swiss cheese or you can't figure out how to make a point without contradicting yourself. Telling others "it"s a dream" and preaching your delusions of reality that statistics will even themselves out over 32 teams in a 32 year timeframe is ridiculous. The Jets haven't even had a franchise QB in 40+ years while the the Bengals, Browns, Eagles and Chargers haven't even won a Super Bowl. So much for the odds evening out over 32 years as none of those mentioned, bedside the Jets, could win the Super Bowl with less than 32 teams.
What I said is that there is no reason for Giants fans to believe the Giants are going to "beat the odds" over the next 32 years. And there isn't any reason to believe that. To expect a SB any time soon is pure fantasy.
If you can Reese, would a new, competent GM want to come in with a failed HC whom he didn't choose? And a holdover staff? The whole m.o. the last 5 yrs of year to year with Coughlin, changing Coordinators (except Quinn of course)and position coaches piecemeal, promoting an Off Co with a limited resume' to HC but not cleaning out the failed staff to me just breeds confusion and ineptitude.
GM's need to pick their head coaches to coach the players he feels he needs. That's not happening here. Coach and GM are on 2 different pages. The only other way to do it is when you have a coach like Belichick who can run everything...and McAdoo is no Belichick.
Please don't think I'm defending Reese or McAdoo, I feel strongly that a great offense starts with a great O line and I'm not a fan of using the west coast offense to make up for a poor line. The first thing Andy Robustelli tried to do when he was hired was build an O line. He failed. That set the team back 5 years. Let's hope Reese doesn't fail too.
Oh really? If you're a DC how do you defend the Giants? The whole offense is Eli to Beckham. Nothing else really works. The Ravens DB's were injured and suddenly OBJ is open for two home runs. Otherwise, it was a struggle.