5 Weeks into the McAdoo Era...What do we think?

until at least a season or two. I'm rooting for him, though.

In comment 13173105 SHO'NUFF said:

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until at least a season or two. I'm rooting for him, though.

Of course, none of us will know before then. But you can still have an opinion based on what you've seen.

thus far he seems like he's not smart. Long way to go though. He's learning on the job.

not very impressed, I had much higher expectations for this offense. Not ready to panic yet, he's learning on the job. There are going to be ups and downs. I also agree that maybe Sullivan should be calling the plays, and let McAdoo manage the team on a more macro level.

and just focus on coaching the entire team. Right now there has been far too many mistakes, and the team needs to become more disciplined.

With a fragile team, but what this group needs is some confidence and that will come from letting them play.

A late Coughlin Era team, which isn't a good thing. Still seeing sloppy play, dumb penalties, dubious decisions, killer penalties, injuries to entire units, and season crushing losses to division rivals (Washington). Hopefully, unlike a typical late Coughlin Era team, his first season isn't effectively over by Halloween.

There's still plenty of visible talent deficiencies, but this team's biggest issues right now are low confidence and lack of disciplined play.

Symptomatic of some similar problems under Coughlin. Lots of penalties, playcalling and game plan alignment are issues. Not clear what McAdoos philosophy is yet but he's clearly not being too aggressive on either side of the ball.

Need more time but if this year goes poorly he may be on the hot seat after next season already, where cleaning house is an option in a few years with new GM, HC, QB.

I wonder if he's getting a fair shake.

The fact that he kept Spags and brought in Sullivan, whom I'm not sure how much history Mcadoo has with him, smells like the front office making coach decisions for him.

Usually a new coach cleans house

This is a team with a franchise QB, one of the best WR in the game today, Cruz, who was one of the best play makers in the NFL, a bunch of first round talent on the O-side, a solid squad of Teams players and kickers, JPP, Jackrabbit, OV, Snacks, Big Hank, DRC... The talent is there to win.

Further, ours is a solid organization, we are the Jets or the Browns.

And yet, we in the basement of the division. Yes, it's too early to say he's a failure. But so far it's not encouraging. He doesn't seem to be an Xs and Os guy and this team didn't need another organization man because we had a world class organization guy in TC. What's this guy good at? He doesn't seem to know how to beat the Tampa 2 or scheme up pressure on the QB.

1. Too soon to tell for sure
2. He apparently handled the OBJ thing well enough if you want to measure it by OBJ's behavior last game.
3. He was given this shitty O-line. He did not make those choices. It is on him to figure it out.
4. Thus far, I am not a fan of his play calling.
5. For a guy who was apparently hired so that Eli could be "comfortable"... well Eli looks as fucked up as I have ever seen him. I am talking about mechanics and decision making. Not even talking about the throws/accuracy.
6. I like the fact that he is not afraid to use Perkins.

I questioned his resume when he was first hired, never had head coaching experience at any level, only two years of experience as a coordinator, The candidate pool wasn't that strong last season, in fact they almost hired former Falcons head coach Mike Smith. jury is still out on McAdoo and will be for the next two years

we never took the time to look over Sullivan as coordinator type, or think about who else was out there, and wondering if designing schemes might be somewhat of a mismatch for his skill set.

the wrong week to stop sniffling glue

it's too early to say.

at a high level/early stage standpoint, I'm concerned that a lot of the same issues we had the last few years are not improving - pass rush, offensive line play, turnovers, boneheaded penalties.

perhaps we need to being in an old cruster offensive schematic guru to give these two the run down.

Its like every old wily old bastard is gunning for McAdoo and Sullivan when we play them, trends change constantly, one needs to look at this shiznit critically not just waltz out and walk through your cards as is.

resume' to begin with, and management forcing holdover coordinators neither dispels that thought nor inspires confidence, and I think is detrimental to him establishing himself as HC. That said, still way too soon to say.

Talent still lacking in key areas like LB, RB. FB, TE, so that doesn't help him.

Very undisciplined thus far. Not a good sign.

I do sense a toughness in him though, which I would like to see more of. Almost like Parcells was too timid in '83, maybe McAdoo needs to realize that he has to do things his way and go down swinging. We'll have to wait and see.

(tampabay.com)

''If Greg Schiano remains the Bucs coach in 2014, offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan might end up taking the fall for this mess.

A year ago, Sullivan directed the ninth-ranked offense in the league, the highest finish in club history. The Bucs set club records for points (389), yards (5,820) and touchdowns (44).

From Weeks 6-9, they had four games with at least 400 yards of offense, including two with more than 500. The 1,907 yards are the most over a four-game span in franchise history.

But now they face their worst offensive ranking in 16 years. Only the Jaguars have produced fewer yards. The last time the Bucs finished next-to-last in the league in offense was 1997. (And the Jaguars trail by only 81 yards.)
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typically our owners are extremely patient with GMs and coaches. If this season turns into a disaster (ie: 4-12ish) what do you think happens after in the offseason? How long is McAdoo's rope as a rookie HC after we spent $200mm in the offseason to "fix" this roster. I doubt he would ever get fired after one season but if we're worse than last year, even with all the spending and an easier schedule, I wonder how patient Mara will be.

of being both HC and OC, and doing a mediocre job of both.

Undisciplined play and mistakes overall, stems from poor head coaching. Lack of creativity on offense to counter the way teams are taking away OBJ equals poor OC.

In his favor, the players seem to like and respect him so far. But let's see how that evolves when he has to start benching seasoned vets to play young guys like Perkins and Adams and Apple more

They are all ondifferent contract schedules, GM, HC, Coordinators all on different terms. To me it's very dysfunctional.

If you can Reese, would a new, competent GM want to come in with a failed HC whom he didn't choose? And a holdover staff? The whole m.o. the last 5 yrs of year to year with Coughlin, changing Coordinators (except Quinn of course)and position coaches piecemeal, promoting an Off Co with a limited resume' to HC but not cleaning out the failed staff to me just breeds confusion and ineptitude.

as opposed to outside the system I'm totally unimpressed and uninspired through these first 5 games. He's suppose to have a good offensive mind but yet his offense made the Saints look like the '85 Bears! Yet the Raiders, Falcons and Chargers had no problems what so ever to figure out how to put up points from the mid 30's to 45 while our offense put up 3 FG's!
They built a nice cushion against the Redskins only to see it fade away and his time management in the final series of that game was suspect when he called a time out allowing the Skins to not be caught out of position possibly.
One thing for sure, the Packers will still owe us one when all is said and done cause this ain't no payback for Vince Lombardi. But all kidding aside, so far I see a very mediocre head coach that should not learn on the fly when he's been their offensive coordinator these past two years. I give him a 3.5 out of ten!

I think ownership has been struggling with two thoughts: TC lost his edge and JR isn't a good GM. The past few season made clear there was something wrong with the team but I don't think the owners knew whether to blame JR or TC. Both had obvious failures and both had past success.

They went as far as they could with TC, though it could be argued that they either should have let him go sooner or should have held on longer.m

My guess is that JR convinced ownership TC had lost his edge and needed to be replaced. He would have argued that injuries hampered the team but it was TC who lost 3 or 4 games with questionable sideline management. Hence, it made sense to keep much of the coaching staff, but get better game management with a guy like McAdoo.

Obviously, this is pure speculation on my part. But, my guess is that if McAdoo is a total failure, say we finish 4-12, then JR will be canned and a whole new regime will begin from GM down. More likely, we finish 6-10 and the whole crew gets one more season to turn it around.

It's a shame because Eli is wasting his sunset years. In fact, it may already be too late. Hate to say it, hope I'm wrong and BM is a huge success. Doubt it though.

what's next "giving 110%"?

I think you have to wait and see but right now he looks like he is in over his head. The organization also did not do him any favors with the coordinators they chose

to punt

on O we might need a crustic old OC mentor and on D I want to see some safeties end up playing well, not injured, or whatever mysterious factors have led to such a long list of question marks as to what happens to safeties that play here, so perhaps a new dbacks coach.

hopefully he is like Parcells in 1983.

How does everyone feel about the new guy? The threads suck today.

The first couple of games they looked a lot more crisp, even if the victories were unconvincing.

Then a few injuries set in, they ran into Washington facing a deep hole, and tough to beat Minny and GB on their home turf, the last having had an extra week to prepare with us on a short week. That's a tall assignment for any team.

But the last 3 games, the lack of discipline is alarming. The tackling looked much better in the first two games. The number of turnovers is problematic. The inability to get home with the pass rush, given what we spent to bolster it, is disconcerting. It's a roller coaster thus far, but we're currently on a downswing that has to correct itself if we're going to do anything this season.

But I believe coach parcells, even in his first losing season had a better core of coaches, (b.b.....t.c.).....front office (George young) and most especially linebackers (l.t. And h.c.). One element that has not changed over the many years is 1: you must pressure the opposing quarterback and their offensive scheme. This 2016 defense seems to give up their third down conversions too often to join the elite top nfl teams. 2: you have to be able to protect your quarterback, so you can execute your offensive plan, that keeps your defense rested, not running back out on the field after the way too often "three and out" series that is quickly becoming business as usual for the 2016 offense. If the season ends up without a playoff berth, they should concentrate on game changing linebackers and offensive line players.

No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB

What a surprise the record is 2-3

I wanted him to get the job and was pumped when he did was the continuity factor with the offense. That has flopped so far this season. I'm definitely not negative on him yet, they are 2-3, still somewhat respectable, but then again, they were 2-3 last year at this point and should have been 4-1. Cant say that this year. Also 2-3 in 2014 before a 7 game losing streak. Remember 0-6 in 2013? Yea, Im willing to give Ben the benefit now, but I begin to doubt if the change along with the infusion of talent was worth it if they can't win 8 games. For real. 6 wins would be bullshit for all the talent this team has.

In comment 13173207 Giants2012 said:

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No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB What a surprise the record is 2-3

Wow I swore that the last couple of years Coughlin was the coach?
Mac is 2-3

1. The people who thought getting rid of the coach would solve everything seriously underestimated the lack of talent on the roster;

2. They also underestimated the time for on-the-job training a brand-spanking new head coach would need;

3. They seriously underestimated the other teams in the division;

4. The team needs more speed on the roster;

5. Spags still sucks. He may be able to produce much with much but so can just about anyone else;

6. There is still time to make the playoffs. No panic yet.

As well, it just caught up to us.

Which has led to some weird ultra conservative playcalling at the wrong times.

The only team that has beaten us is the Vikes, we beat ourselves against the Packers, and the Skins game was a combo of coaching decisions and undisciplined players that caused that one

and quite surprised. With a good draft I did expect more. He seems like he's lost. The turnovers and the penalties are not improving. Eli is playing horribly, and the play calling is suspect. The DL is not getting enough pressure, shouldn't he be in the ear of Spags?

In fairness, it is early as many on here have said. I just expected more focus, intensity and tenacity and I see none of that to date.

In comment 13173211 shelovesnycsports said:

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In comment 13173207 Giants2012 said: Quote: No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB What a surprise the record is 2-3 Wow I swore that the last couple of years Coughlin was the coach? Mac is 2-3

and they weren't any better disciplined under Coughlin. So much for the draft strategy of focussing on college captains.

McAdoo worries me. He doesn't seem to be the type of coach who is a leader, he seems to be a more cerebral, X's and O's, "its the players responsibility to get fired up", type coach. I much prefer the Parcells type of coach.

Spags doesn't inspire me either.

In comment 13173249 PatersonPlank said:

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McAdoo worries me. He doesn't seem to be the type of coach who is a leader, he seems to be a more cerebral, X's and O's, "its the players responsibility to get fired up", type coach. I much prefer the Parcells type of coach..

Parcells went 3-12-1 in his rookie year. You would likely have blasted him him too. Belicheck, no doubt you would post this cerebral theory during his early HC years too.

And rush the passer, he will continue to be a bad coach

That has not worked too well as the offense and Eli look out of sync. The mere fact he had to keep some of the coordinators makes you think FO did not think he was ready. The FO continues to try and tweak this team instead of bringing in a while new staff.
They have wasted Eli's prime with all this BS.

I was never all that impressed with the offense. Yes it racked up huge numbers but it was terribly inconsistent and would disappear at times.

I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.

Underwhelmed.....
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I was never all that impressed with the offense. Yes it racked up huge numbers but it was terribly inconsistent and would disappear at times.

I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.

Reece is the reason that we had to rebuild the Defense .
Its poor drafting .
I'm in the minority about the offensive numbers and the
6th rated offense . Its the same old thing we can't run
the ball . Nor do they create a decent pocket .
Zero Impact players at too many positions .
The best move we made was not signing JPP long term and
no knock on him the injury is going to limit him .
Ben has to play the cards he was dealt but I expected
a hell of a lot more offensively . I hope he can right
the ship and it has to start with two wins before the
bye ...

is how important his head coaching gig at the Air Force Academy was.

Even if it was brief, he gained experience in how to run things.

That was my one big reservation with BM.

Then again I was not impressed with him as the OC the prior two years. I understand why the Giants promoted him to HC even though I was not sold on the idea. But I was hoping he would show more (something, anything) than he has so far.

I can see any successful scenario where a rookie HC can also be calling plays during a game.

He needs to delegate

His clock management has been dreadful. His reasoning for not challenging vs. GB late was pathetic. His handling of the whole OBJ mess was piss poor.

And, most importantly, his baby, the offense, is sputtering in its tracks.

In my book. If we win this week we could still have a very successful season and yes I mean playoffs. If not, Monday I will say I'm disappointed.

but the season is not over yet. His teams have not come prepared for games, reflecting on him and his staff. They make many mistakes and in many ways do not play like a professional team. The trend right now suggests more losses as we have really not seen fundamental improvements each week.

Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.

In comment 13173358 mdc1 said:

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but the season is not over yet. His teams have not come prepared for games, reflecting on him and his staff. They make many mistakes and in many ways do not play like a professional team. The trend right now suggests more losses as we have really not seen fundamental improvements each week. Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently.

Not make an NFL throw consistently?

Once again you prove what a total fucking idiot you are

Going to be a great head coach. Most head coaches aren't.

In comment 13173366 phillygiant said:

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In comment 13173358 mdc1 said: Quote: but the season is not over yet. His teams have not come prepared for games, reflecting on him and his staff. They make many mistakes and in many ways do not play like a professional team. The trend right now suggests more losses as we have really not seen fundamental improvements each week. Let's see what the coaches have come up with this week. But let's not completely blame the coaches, we have stupid players, players that should not be out there (Reese) and lastly a highly paid QB that cannot make a standard NFL throw consistently. Not make an NFL throw consistently? Once again you prove what a total fucking idiot you are

One of the worst on the site. I swear there are too many "fans" here who rather see Eli fail so they can bitch about him than actually see him succeed. We even hada a poster here today say it was Cruz who carried us in 2011.

The same could be said for the team

In comment 13173108 Josh in the City said:

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In comment 13173105 SHO'NUFF said: Quote: until at least a season or two. I'm rooting for him, though. Of course, none of us will know before then. But you can still have an opinion based on what you've seen.

My opinion is this is a stupid thread. Has Mac's play calling been bad or if WR's don't drop six TD passes early on then numbers look prettier. OL not letting our QB get killed. No fumbles wouldhelp. Etc. How has Maac's play calling been an effect of all that

Isnt right qb for system..
Oline either.

It is early and I really do NOT have any info (outside info ... or inside) but, it seems (SEEMS) like he is a "Player's Coach"(?). Team seems to be playing with a lack of discipline - foolish penalties, no sense of urgency, etc ... They seem to be playing like they know nothing will happen if the fail. No passion or fire ... (?)

IDK ... we will see. The last time a coach fit the traditional description of a "Players Coach" was Fassell I believe and he did get the Giants to the Superbowl.

But, he is a young head coach in charge of a relatively young team. Patience? at this point .... ?

In comment 13173203 shelovesnycsports said:

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How does everyone feel about the new guy? The threads suck today.

I'm with you and djstat. These threads abandoning ship after 5 weeks are pathetic. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I think we're progressing as a team. Not to mention the fact we could be 4-1 right now if things go a little bit differently. The GB and DC games were very winnable.

Also, Eli - who apparently sucks now - is 4-5 dropped passes away from having career best numbers. He's having a career high completion percentage season as is. He has also tied his career low for INT%. So, yeah. Don't let the facts get in the way of your whining contest.

RE: Well its your first week at work
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I'm with you and djstat. These threads abandoning ship after 5 weeks are pathetic. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I think we're progressing as a team. Not to mention the fact we could be 4-1 right now if things go a little bit differently. The GB and DC games were very winnable.


The majority are not abandoning ship.....but they are also not satisfied with the status quo....many fantasized, that TC was THE PROBLEM....with him gone, we would see immediate results....even if we don't see the playoffs? We have missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years...7 out of 8 is ok? Even after we cut out that cancer Coughlin(sarcasm on) and spent $200M? And yes we could be 4-1, and by the same token, we could also be 1-4.....a depression is setting in, because expectations were unreasonably high, for a new HC, and all the new pieces playing well together....



Also, Eli - who apparently sucks now - is 4-5 dropped passes away from having career best numbers. He's having a career high completion percentage season as is. He has also tied his career low for INT%. So, yeah. Don't let the facts get in the way of your whining contest.

This is too small a sample to judge Eli.....his NO game skews a small sample size....but completion/interception % means nothing, if he is also only going to throw 16 td's all season, which would be a career low........Eli is not the Eli of 2011.....but playing behind 5 years of bad OL's, has to have had some effect on him.....I'm not judging him, until the season is over....as you have stated, there have been dropped balls, fumbles, penalties....it's not all on Eli...

It's at the point where, if Mac can't turn this season around, especially if we lose to Baltimore, then yes, you might have to put your life preserver on....there were high expectations.....many wondered how Mac would motivate the team after it's first loss....it's now up to 3 in a row... a fourth, and it could really spiral out of control, especially with Philly and Cinci after the bye.....a win, can give us some momentum into the bye, if we can also beat the Rams.....these next two games could be the Giant season, and it's only October.....

is to get this team more disciplined..clean up mistakes so they're are just minor and not one main reasons for losses.

Also, first year blunders, decisions, ways etc are given. Let's see in year 2 or 3. Remember, TC took awhile in his ways, stern set in ways, til he changed up and loosened up (more than a few seasons)

Just at a skeptical point with Mac now, but opportunity is there to be a good long term HC...we'll see

In comment 13173184 YorkAveGiant said:

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to punt

ha, post of the week

Meaning clock management, timeout management, challenge decisions and non decisions etc, it's actually been pretty brutal... but that's just one aspect, and most of a coaches value comes from Monday through Saturday... we won't truly know with him for a while.

The team is 2-3. But the schedule has been tough. I'm expecting a turn around here coming immediately because the schedule is very manageable through about thanksgiving. He's the coach I wanted them to hire. I'm not giving up. But I do like him a little less than I did 5 weeks ago because of some of these in-game concerns

tell us a lot. It is pretty close to a must win game, imo. This team probably isn't talented enough to go 8-2 or 7-3 if they lose tomorrow.

I think our Oline isn't where we need it to be yet and we are hampered by injuries - sound familiar?

going to look like a genius. Bottom line is this. There are 32 teams in the league. All things being even (even though they aren't), that means a SB Win once every 32 years. Giants have had two recently. The SB coach is gone. The SB QB is old.

Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB. Can they win one with McAdoo and Manning? Of course - but the odds are against McAdoo winning a SB.

Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.

I know we all like to believe the Giants have some magical power that enables them to beat the odds of one every 32 years. Maybe that was true of some teams before free agency, but with mandatory spending and other efforts to enforce parity, the odds are more and more just that - statistical odds - and with parity the chicken is coming home to roost and it is likely the Giants will have to wait their statistical turn). So, sit back and relax. There probably isn't much that can be done about parity and statistics and therefore not much reason to get all worked up - it's sort of like getting upset at the weather - there isn't much any of us can do about it. I'm afraid it is very likely to be a very looooooong wait.

In comment 13173539 baadbill said:

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Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB. .

Stop, it's not that simple. The NFL isn't statistic socialism. Want to bet the Pittsburgh Steelers will win more Championships over he next 30 years than the Cincy Bengals?

There is a difference in ownership too. The stable ownership, the better coaches, the better scouts, etc increase the odds or maybe the luck of winning.

You don't draft a franchise QB and feel the odds on winning a Super Bowl are even with every team over a 32 year period or less than 31 teams b/c you just won a Super Bowl.

In comment 13173540 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 13173539 baadbill said: Quote: Without knowing anything about the talent, just statistically speaking, the Giants are probably 25 years away from their next SB. . Stop, it's not that simple. The NFL isn't statistic socialism. Want to bet the Pittsburgh Steelers will win more Championships over he next 30 years than the Cincy Bengals? There is a difference in ownership too. The stable ownership, the better coaches, the better scouts, etc increase the odds or maybe the luck of winning. You don't draft a franchise QB and feel the odds on winning a Super Bowl are even with every team over a 32 year period or less than 31 teams b/c you just won a Super Bowl.

Of course it's not the simple. But the truth is - for every team that wins more than 1 trophy in 32 years, another team has to now wait 33 years for their trophy. That's simple math.

The Giants have won 4 trophies in 30 years. That is WAY over average. They have had some long waits (20 years before 1986) - but even that was under average.

32 years is a lifetime (ok, a little less than 1/2 of a lifetime). To believe in the era of parity that the Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Cowboys are ALWAYS going to beat the odds is just wishful thinking. It isn't going to happen. But it's nice to dream. Better than facing reality.

winning 4 SB in the next 30 years. Especially not with parity - but the odds would be against them even without FA and parity. The same is true for the Patiots, Steelers, and Cowboys.

And when you think of it - 4 SB in 30 years - while 4x the statistical average - still means 26 years out of 30 without a trophy. We've been spoiled over the past 10 years. And it just isn't possible to win 2 SB every 10 years. It just isn't going to happen. We are almost certainly going to have a much longer wait than 10 years for the next one. Will it be 25? Will it be 40? Who knows.

But 26 years out of 30 WITHOUT a championship seems shitty - when in fact it is FANTASTIC. So get ready for some of those 26 years without a trophy because the dry years all fans HAVE to live through are probably here.

In comment 13173539 baadbill said:

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Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy.

No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.

In comment 13173577 Rick5 said:

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In comment 13173539 baadbill said: Quote: Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy. No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.

Ok. So their probability remains 1 every 32 years.

Baad & G2012's comments are both valid and mixing them together gives a pretty good perspective. True, you can't win every year, but I think the teams that beat the odds are those with class organizations.

Every day I wake up and think "we could have Jerruh, or, God forbid, Danny boy". We are blessed with a good organization and have born the fruits of that.

So yeah, as micromanaging fans we point to every effin' play that caused defeat. That's our pleasure. But those of us that have been doing this BBI thing for a while tend to be a bit more patient.

The thing that is on my mind at this point is not so much if we make the playoffs this year, but what will fandome be like after Eli. Elis don't come along very often. And will he fall off a cliff like his brother, leaving us...what?

Back to the point - is BM a BB? Probably not. Is he an RH? Please dear God, no. Then again, BB was 2-3 after his 1st 5 games as Browns HC. I choose to wait & see.

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). To believe in the era of parity that the Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Cowboys are ALWAYS going to beat the odds is just wishful thinking. It isn't going to happen. But it's nice to dream. Better than facing reality.

Put 32 names in a hat. If you believe after 32 picks you would have picked every team once I'd say that's a dream and hardly reality.

The wrong one got fired,it should have been Reese.

Neither is qualified for their positons other than by DNA. I'm no lover sure that this team will be good again in the foreseeable future. I mean 10-11 wins good. Dude shouldn't have been interviewed. Is what it is.

In comment 13173629 Millburn said:

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The wrong one got fired,it should have been Reese.

Disgree. Anybody still thinking Reese makes the picks is astonishingly lost. On the flip side, the removal of Coughlin indicates the FO believes coaching was an issue. The FO is out of people. The FO votes on picks, the scouts, etc. They're out of bodies and Mara has nothing to look to besides a mirror if this doesn't work.

In comment 13173577 Rick5 said:

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In comment 13173539 baadbill said: Quote: Indeed, if 25 years is the wait (and having won 2 in the past 10 years, they are, statistically speaking, probably due for a 40 year wait rather than a 25 year wait) - then they are going to go through a lot of coaches and QBs before they bring home another trophy. No. That's not right. The past is the past. They do not have a lower probability of winning in the future based on what happened in the past. There is no logical reason why the posterior probability would change.

And Rick, while you are correct that a flip of a coin is 50/50 even if there were 20 "heads" in a row, there is also a concept of "reversion to the mean" ... with enough coin flips, 50% will be "heads" even if there are periods of 20 heads in a row (meaning at some point there will be an absence of "heads" sufficient to bring the statistics back to 50/50).

which won't be even after 32 flips.

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which won't be even after 32 flips.

No shit. And there's zero reason to believe the Giants "beat the odds" and get 4 SB in the next 32 "flips" like they did the last 30 - especially since 2 of those Super Bowls were pre-free agency when teams really could build dynasties. Now luck of the draw is so much more a part of winning.

Odds of 1 in 32 aren't very good. Hell winning 4 in 30 years (not winning 26 of those years) sounds pretty lousy when in fact its 4x the odds.

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In comment 13173659 Giants2012 said: Quote: which won't be even after 32 flips. No shit. And there's zero reason to believe the Giants "beat the odds" and get 4 SB in the next 32 "flips" like they did the last 30 - especially since 2 of those Super Bowls were pre-free agency when teams really could build dynasties. Now luck of the draw is so much more a part of winning. Odds of 1 in 32 aren't very good. Hell winning 4 in 30 years (not winning 26 of those years) sounds pretty lousy when in fact its 4x the odds.

Oh please lol. Your theory either has more holes than Swiss cheese or you can't figure out how to make a point without contradicting yourself. Telling others "it"s a dream" and preaching your delusions of reality that statistics will even themselves out over 32 teams in a 32 year timeframe is ridiculous. The Jets haven't even had a franchise QB in 40+ years while the the Bengals, Browns, Eagles and Chargers haven't even won a Super Bowl. So much for the odds evening out over 32 years as none of those mentioned, bedside the Jets, could win the Super Bowl with less than 32 teams.

I said no such thing. I didn't say odds will even themselves out over 32 years. That's stupid. That would just be one round through.

What I said is that there is no reason for Giants fans to believe the Giants are going to "beat the odds" over the next 32 years. And there isn't any reason to believe that. To expect a SB any time soon is pure fantasy.

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They are all on different contract schedules, GM, HC, Coordinators all on different terms. To me it's very dysfunctional. If you can Reese, would a new, competent GM want to come in with a failed HC whom he didn't choose? And a holdover staff? The whole m.o. the last 5 yrs of year to year with Coughlin, changing Coordinators (except Quinn of course)and position coaches piecemeal, promoting an Off Co with a limited resume' to HC but not cleaning out the failed staff to me just breeds confusion and ineptitude.

Different contract schedules is the start of it. MaAdoo was picked by ownership to run a west coast offense, quick passes to running backs and tight ends due to poor offensive line. The GM gave him 3 WR's that do their best work deep and middle range. To get the most out of these receivers, a strong offensive line is needed. Fran Tarkenton and, to a lesser extent, Norm Snead had success running their version of the west coast offense because they had Bob Tucker, Ron Johnson and Tucker Frederickson grabbing all the short passes, spread out the width of the field and allowed for the occasional long pass to someone like Clifton McNeil. Drop back 3 steps and pass to a great TE or RB. These Giants don't have the personal to run a west coast offense, they have WR's that require the line to give the QB more time to utilize them properly. A running game is also needed with this WR heavy offense to keep the other team's D in a little bit and have some sort of clock management control. This offense's skilled players is built for for Kevin Gilbride. He couldn't make it work because he didn't have an offensive line, I don't think anyone could.

GM's need to pick their head coaches to coach the players he feels he needs. That's not happening here. Coach and GM are on 2 different pages. The only other way to do it is when you have a coach like Belichick who can run everything...and McAdoo is no Belichick.

Please don't think I'm defending Reese or McAdoo, I feel strongly that a great offense starts with a great O line and I'm not a fan of using the west coast offense to make up for a poor line. The first thing Andy Robustelli tried to do when he was hired was build an O line. He failed. That set the team back 5 years. Let's hope Reese doesn't fail too.

defensed out of the game means to me that we are being out coached, no team with a weapon like OBJ can allow another team to neutralize him.....

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defensed out of the game means to me that we are being out coached, no team with a weapon like OBJ can allow another team to neutralize him.....

Oh really? If you're a DC how do you defend the Giants? The whole offense is Eli to Beckham. Nothing else really works. The Ravens DB's were injured and suddenly OBJ is open for two home runs. Otherwise, it was a struggle.