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5 Weeks into the McAdoo Era...What do we think?

Josh in the City : 10/14/2016 2:03 pm
Granted it's early but this team has already been through some ups and downs. I'm curious what most people think about McAdoo as a head coach and what your thought on him are both long and short term. Do you think he will be the HC of this team for the foreseeable future or will he be the beginning of another coaching carousel?

Personally, I don't think he's done a great job with this team though I haven't noticed much difference in terms of on-the-field play b/w this team and Coughlin's teams of the past few seasons. We played clean football the first couple of weeks (even if our offense wasn't great) which left me encouraged...especially after the last few years of really sloppy football. But the past 3 weeks, the penalties, bonehaded plays and turnovers have started creeping back in and have cost us a few precious wins.

Surprisingly, our offense seems to have taken a big step backwards this year and the offensive line has not taken any noticeable steps forward with the new oline coach. Also, while I was a proponent of McAdoo calling the plays before the season, it seems that, as a rookie head coach, it might make more sense for him to focus his attention on the team as a whole during games instead and let Sullivan take over play calling. Some of the game and clock management hasn't been great these first few games and I would have liked to see better control of OBJ during the 2 games where he lost his mind.

Again, I know it's too early to form any opinions of substance at this point but there is at least a sample size to judge from. So what do you think?
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I think I won't know  
SHO'NUFF : 10/14/2016 2:04 pm : link
until at least a season or two. I'm rooting for him, though.
RE: I think I won't know  
Josh in the City : 10/14/2016 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13173105 SHO'NUFF said:
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until at least a season or two. I'm rooting for him, though.


Of course, none of us will know before then. But you can still have an opinion based on what you've seen.
This has been touched on before  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/14/2016 2:06 pm : link
thus far he seems like he's not smart. Long way to go though. He's learning on the job.
I agree with you Josh  
David in LA : 10/14/2016 2:06 pm : link
not very impressed, I had much higher expectations for this offense. Not ready to panic yet, he's learning on the job. There are going to be ups and downs. I also agree that maybe Sullivan should be calling the plays, and let McAdoo manage the team on a more macro level.
I think he has to let go of the play calling  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/14/2016 2:07 pm : link
and just focus on coaching the entire team. Right now there has been far too many mistakes, and the team needs to become more disciplined.
I think he's been cautious  
Joey in VA : 10/14/2016 2:07 pm : link
With a fragile team, but what this group needs is some confidence and that will come from letting them play.
Still early but it still feels like  
The_Boss : 10/14/2016 2:10 pm : link
A late Coughlin Era team, which isn't a good thing. Still seeing sloppy play, dumb penalties, dubious decisions, killer penalties, injuries to entire units, and season crushing losses to division rivals (Washington). Hopefully, unlike a typical late Coughlin Era team, his first season isn't effectively over by Halloween.
Agree with Joey  
JonC : 10/14/2016 2:11 pm : link
There's still plenty of visible talent deficiencies, but this team's biggest issues right now are low confidence and lack of disciplined play.
Not Impressed So Far  
Sammo85 : 10/14/2016 2:12 pm : link
Symptomatic of some similar problems under Coughlin. Lots of penalties, playcalling and game plan alignment are issues. Not clear what McAdoos philosophy is yet but he's clearly not being too aggressive on either side of the ball.

Need more time but if this year goes poorly he may be on the hot seat after next season already, where cleaning house is an option in a few years with new GM, HC, QB.
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/14/2016 2:32 pm : link
I wonder if he's getting a fair shake.

The fact that he kept Spags and brought in Sullivan, whom I'm not sure how much history Mcadoo has with him, smells like the front office making coach decisions for him.

Usually a new coach cleans house
A failure so far...  
trueblueinpw : 10/14/2016 2:37 pm : link
This is a team with a franchise QB, one of the best WR in the game today, Cruz, who was one of the best play makers in the NFL, a bunch of first round talent on the O-side, a solid squad of Teams players and kickers, JPP, Jackrabbit, OV, Snacks, Big Hank, DRC... The talent is there to win.

Further, ours is a solid organization, we are the Jets or the Browns.

And yet, we in the basement of the division. Yes, it's too early to say he's a failure. But so far it's not encouraging. He doesn't seem to be an Xs and Os guy and this team didn't need another organization man because we had a world class organization guy in TC. What's this guy good at? He doesn't seem to know how to beat the Tampa 2 or scheme up pressure on the QB.
Here is what I think...  
EricJ : 10/14/2016 2:38 pm : link
1. Too soon to tell for sure
2. He apparently handled the OBJ thing well enough if you want to measure it by OBJ's behavior last game.
3. He was given this shitty O-line. He did not make those choices. It is on him to figure it out.
4. Thus far, I am not a fan of his play calling.
5. For a guy who was apparently hired so that Eli could be "comfortable"... well Eli looks as fucked up as I have ever seen him. I am talking about mechanics and decision making. Not even talking about the throws/accuracy.
6. I like the fact that he is not afraid to use Perkins.
McAdoo  
siena16 : 10/14/2016 2:39 pm : link
I questioned his resume when he was first hired, never had head coaching experience at any level, only two years of experience as a coordinator, The candidate pool wasn't that strong last season, in fact they almost hired former Falcons head coach Mike Smith. jury is still out on McAdoo and will be for the next two years
as I said on another thread  
idiotsavant : 10/14/2016 2:42 pm : link
we never took the time to look over Sullivan as coordinator type, or think about who else was out there, and wondering if designing schemes might be somewhat of a mismatch for his skill set.
I think I picked  
Kivorka : 10/14/2016 2:44 pm : link
the wrong week to stop sniffling glue
i think  
Les in TO : 10/14/2016 2:47 pm : link
it's too early to say.

at a high level/early stage standpoint, I'm concerned that a lot of the same issues we had the last few years are not improving - pass rush, offensive line play, turnovers, boneheaded penalties.
rather than firing people  
idiotsavant : 10/14/2016 2:47 pm : link
perhaps we need to being in an old cruster offensive schematic guru to give these two the run down.

Its like every old wily old bastard is gunning for McAdoo and Sullivan when we play them, trends change constantly, one needs to look at this shiznit critically not just waltz out and walk through your cards as is.
about what I expected. Meh. He didn't have an overly impressive  
Victor in CT : 10/14/2016 2:48 pm : link
resume' to begin with, and management forcing holdover coordinators neither dispels that thought nor inspires confidence, and I think is detrimental to him establishing himself as HC. That said, still way too soon to say.

Talent still lacking in key areas like LB, RB. FB, TE, so that doesn't help him.

Very undisciplined thus far. Not a good sign.

I do sense a toughness in him though, which I would like to see more of. Almost like Parcells was too timid in '83, maybe McAdoo needs to realize that he has to do things his way and go down swinging. We'll have to wait and see.
sully was at tampa 2 yrs. If the 2nd was more 'his' logically  
idiotsavant : 10/14/2016 2:55 pm : link
(tampabay.com)

''If Greg Schiano remains the Bucs coach in 2014, offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan might end up taking the fall for this mess.

A year ago, Sullivan directed the ninth-ranked offense in the league, the highest finish in club history. The Bucs set club records for points (389), yards (5,820) and touchdowns (44).

From Weeks 6-9, they had four games with at least 400 yards of offense, including two with more than 500. The 1,907 yards are the most over a four-game span in franchise history.

But now they face their worst offensive ranking in 16 years. Only the Jaguars have produced fewer yards. The last time the Bucs finished next-to-last in the league in offense was 1997. (And the Jaguars trail by only 81 yards.)
''
Here's another question re: McAdoo...  
Josh in the City : 10/14/2016 2:59 pm : link
typically our owners are extremely patient with GMs and coaches. If this season turns into a disaster (ie: 4-12ish) what do you think happens after in the offseason? How long is McAdoo's rope as a rookie HC after we spent $200mm in the offseason to "fix" this roster. I doubt he would ever get fired after one season but if we're worse than last year, even with all the spending and an easier schedule, I wonder how patient Mara will be.
So far, I'd say he's struggling to balance the duties  
mfsd : 10/14/2016 3:08 pm : link
of being both HC and OC, and doing a mediocre job of both.

Undisciplined play and mistakes overall, stems from poor head coaching. Lack of creativity on offense to counter the way teams are taking away OBJ equals poor OC.

In his favor, the players seem to like and respect him so far. But let's see how that evolves when he has to start benching seasoned vets to play young guys like Perkins and Adams and Apple more
Josh, worse than that, how long is Reese's rope after this?  
Victor in CT : 10/14/2016 3:09 pm : link
They are all ondifferent contract schedules, GM, HC, Coordinators all on different terms. To me it's very dysfunctional.

If you can Reese, would a new, competent GM want to come in with a failed HC whom he didn't choose? And a holdover staff? The whole m.o. the last 5 yrs of year to year with Coughlin, changing Coordinators (except Quinn of course)and position coaches piecemeal, promoting an Off Co with a limited resume' to HC but not cleaning out the failed staff to me just breeds confusion and ineptitude.
For a coach that came within the system  
GmeninPSL : 10/14/2016 3:11 pm : link
as opposed to outside the system I'm totally unimpressed and uninspired through these first 5 games. He's suppose to have a good offensive mind but yet his offense made the Saints look like the '85 Bears! Yet the Raiders, Falcons and Chargers had no problems what so ever to figure out how to put up points from the mid 30's to 45 while our offense put up 3 FG's!
They built a nice cushion against the Redskins only to see it fade away and his time management in the final series of that game was suspect when he called a time out allowing the Skins to not be caught out of position possibly.
One thing for sure, the Packers will still owe us one when all is said and done cause this ain't no payback for Vince Lombardi. But all kidding aside, so far I see a very mediocre head coach that should not learn on the fly when he's been their offensive coordinator these past two years. I give him a 3.5 out of ten!
Not a long leash for either BM or JR, but probably too long  
trueblueinpw : 10/14/2016 3:20 pm : link
I think ownership has been struggling with two thoughts: TC lost his edge and JR isn't a good GM. The past few season made clear there was something wrong with the team but I don't think the owners knew whether to blame JR or TC. Both had obvious failures and both had past success.

They went as far as they could with TC, though it could be argued that they either should have let him go sooner or should have held on longer.m

My guess is that JR convinced ownership TC had lost his edge and needed to be replaced. He would have argued that injuries hampered the team but it was TC who lost 3 or 4 games with questionable sideline management. Hence, it made sense to keep much of the coaching staff, but get better game management with a guy like McAdoo.

Obviously, this is pure speculation on my part. But, my guess is that if McAdoo is a total failure, say we finish 4-12, then JR will be canned and a whole new regime will begin from GM down. More likely, we finish 6-10 and the whole crew gets one more season to turn it around.

It's a shame because Eli is wasting his sunset years. In fact, it may already be too late. Hate to say it, hope I'm wrong and BM is a huge success. Doubt it though.
Giants are "hungry" and must "stay positive"  
Vanzetti : 10/14/2016 3:22 pm : link
what's next "giving 110%"?

I think you have to wait and see but right now he looks like he is in over his head. The organization also did not do him any favors with the coordinators they chose

hes certainly not afraid  
YorkAveGiant : 10/14/2016 3:23 pm : link
to punt
IMO McAdoo and Spags stay  
idiotsavant : 10/14/2016 3:33 pm : link
on O we might need a crustic old OC mentor and on D I want to see some safeties end up playing well, not injured, or whatever mysterious factors have led to such a long list of question marks as to what happens to safeties that play here, so perhaps a new dbacks coach.
Over his head this year  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/14/2016 3:35 pm : link
hopefully he is like Parcells in 1983.

Well its your first week at work  
shelovesnycsports : 10/14/2016 3:58 pm : link
How does everyone feel about the new guy? The threads suck today.
Not grading him yet, but so far, it's up and down  
jcn56 : 10/14/2016 3:58 pm : link
The first couple of games they looked a lot more crisp, even if the victories were unconvincing.

Then a few injuries set in, they ran into Washington facing a deep hole, and tough to beat Minny and GB on their home turf, the last having had an extra week to prepare with us on a short week. That's a tall assignment for any team.

But the last 3 games, the lack of discipline is alarming. The tackling looked much better in the first two games. The number of turnovers is problematic. The inability to get home with the pass rush, given what we spent to bolster it, is disconcerting. It's a roller coaster thus far, but we're currently on a downswing that has to correct itself if we're going to do anything this season.
Certainly there is only one coach Parcells.....  
thrunthrublue : 10/14/2016 4:00 pm : link
But I believe coach parcells, even in his first losing season had a better core of coaches, (b.b.....t.c.).....front office (George young) and most especially linebackers (l.t. And h.c.). One element that has not changed over the many years is 1: you must pressure the opposing quarterback and their offensive scheme. This 2016 defense seems to give up their third down conversions too often to join the elite top nfl teams. 2: you have to be able to protect your quarterback, so you can execute your offensive plan, that keeps your defense rested, not running back out on the field after the way too often "three and out" series that is quickly becoming business as usual for the 2016 offense. If the season ends up without a playoff berth, they should concentrate on game changing linebackers and offensive line players.
12 wins over two years  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2016 4:00 pm : link
No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB

What a surprise the record is 2-3
The main reason  
Glover : 10/14/2016 4:04 pm : link
I wanted him to get the job and was pumped when he did was the continuity factor with the offense. That has flopped so far this season. I'm definitely not negative on him yet, they are 2-3, still somewhat respectable, but then again, they were 2-3 last year at this point and should have been 4-1. Cant say that this year. Also 2-3 in 2014 before a 7 game losing streak. Remember 0-6 in 2013? Yea, Im willing to give Ben the benefit now, but I begin to doubt if the change along with the infusion of talent was worth it if they can't win 8 games. For real. 6 wins would be bullshit for all the talent this team has.
RE: 12 wins over two years  
shelovesnycsports : 10/14/2016 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13173207 Giants2012 said:
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No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB

What a surprise the record is 2-3

Wow I swore that the last couple of years Coughlin was the coach?
Mac is 2-3
since you asked  
HomerJones45 : 10/14/2016 4:12 pm : link
1. The people who thought getting rid of the coach would solve everything seriously underestimated the lack of talent on the roster;

2. They also underestimated the time for on-the-job training a brand-spanking new head coach would need;

3. They seriously underestimated the other teams in the division;

4. The team needs more speed on the roster;

5. Spags still sucks. He may be able to produce much with much but so can just about anyone else;

6. There is still time to make the playoffs. No panic yet.
Our wins, we had turnovers and penalties  
barens : 10/14/2016 4:14 pm : link
As well, it just caught up to us.
IMO he seems to be overthinking the strategy  
montanagiant : 10/14/2016 4:25 pm : link
Which has led to some weird ultra conservative playcalling at the wrong times.

The only team that has beaten us is the Vikes, we beat ourselves against the Packers, and the Skins game was a combo of coaching decisions and undisciplined players that caused that one
Deeply disappointed...  
gmen4ever : 10/14/2016 4:37 pm : link
and quite surprised. With a good draft I did expect more. He seems like he's lost. The turnovers and the penalties are not improving. Eli is playing horribly, and the play calling is suspect. The DL is not getting enough pressure, shouldn't he be in the ear of Spags?

In fairness, it is early as many on here have said. I just expected more focus, intensity and tenacity and I see none of that to date.
RE: RE: 12 wins over two years  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13173211 shelovesnycsports said:
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In comment 13173207 Giants2012 said:


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No OL upgrades, no running game, no TE, no significant upgrade at LB

What a surprise the record is 2-3


Wow I swore that the last couple of years Coughlin was the coach?
Mac is 2-3


and they weren't any better disciplined under Coughlin. So much for the draft strategy of focussing on college captains.

So far I don't think much  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2016 5:04 pm : link
McAdoo worries me. He doesn't seem to be the type of coach who is a leader, he seems to be a more cerebral, X's and O's, "its the players responsibility to get fired up", type coach. I much prefer the Parcells type of coach.

Spags doesn't inspire me either.
RE: So far I don't think much  
Giants2012 : 10/14/2016 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13173249 PatersonPlank said:
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McAdoo worries me. He doesn't seem to be the type of coach who is a leader, he seems to be a more cerebral, X's and O's, "its the players responsibility to get fired up", type coach. I much prefer the Parcells type of coach..


Parcells went 3-12-1 in his rookie year. You would likely have blasted him him too. Belicheck, no doubt you would post this cerebral theory during his early HC years too.

I think until the Giants can play against cover two  
joeinpa : 10/14/2016 5:13 pm : link
And rush the passer, he will continue to be a bad coach
Hiring McAdoo was to keep offensive continuity  
joe48 : 10/14/2016 5:22 pm : link
That has not worked too well as the offense and Eli look out of sync. The mere fact he had to keep some of the coordinators makes you think FO did not think he was ready. The FO continues to try and tweak this team instead of bringing in a while new staff.
They have wasted Eli's prime with all this BS.
Underwhelmed.....  
Reb8thVA : 10/14/2016 5:24 pm : link
I was never all that impressed with the offense. Yes it racked up huge numbers but it was terribly inconsistent and would disappear at times.

I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.
Same Here...  
Bluesbreaker : 10/14/2016 6:06 pm : link
Underwhelmed.....
Reb8thVA : 5:24 pm : link : reply
I was never all that impressed with the offense. Yes it racked up huge numbers but it was terribly inconsistent and would disappear at times.

I wanted to keep Coughlin so I am not an unbiased observer. I think if the team loses Sunday he may face his first real test of his leadership. Let's hope he can turn this thing around.

Reece is the reason that we had to rebuild the Defense .
Its poor drafting .
I'm in the minority about the offensive numbers and the
6th rated offense . Its the same old thing we can't run
the ball . Nor do they create a decent pocket .
Zero Impact players at too many positions .
The best move we made was not signing JPP long term and
no knock on him the injury is going to limit him .
Ben has to play the cards he was dealt but I expected
a hell of a lot more offensively . I hope he can right
the ship and it has to start with two wins before the
bye ...
One thing Parcells always mentioned  
Vanzetti : 10/14/2016 6:06 pm : link
is how important his head coaching gig at the Air Force Academy was.

Even if it was brief, he gained experience in how to run things.

That was my one big reservation with BM.
So far, I'm not impressed.  
compton : 10/14/2016 6:41 pm : link
Then again I was not impressed with him as the OC the prior two years. I understand why the Giants promoted him to HC even though I was not sold on the idea. But I was hoping he would show more (something, anything) than he has so far.
McAddo  
giantfan2000 : 10/14/2016 6:41 pm : link
I can see any successful scenario where a rookie HC can also be calling plays during a game.

He needs to delegate
Not too impressed.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2016 6:48 pm : link
His clock management has been dreadful. His reasoning for not challenging vs. GB late was pathetic. His handling of the whole OBJ mess was piss poor.

And, most importantly, his baby, the offense, is sputtering in its tracks.
To be determined  
Carl in CT : 10/14/2016 7:41 pm : link
In my book. If we win this week we could still have a very successful season and yes I mean playoffs. If not, Monday I will say I'm disappointed.
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