Okay we have an establish Veteran sitting on the bench. We have what everyone agrees the OL is our worst unit.
What we do have is Flowers a first round pick who is and has the potential to be great. But he hasn't shown it so far. Why can't he play RT and build some confidence? Are we too hard headed to admit or try something.
Okay we're too hard headed..
Then play Beatty at RT. He can't be any worse than Hart. Hart couldn't beat out Newhouse, who everyone agrees was the worst lineman on our worst unit.
Oh yeah we're waiting for the Bye so we can work him in. Well that could be to late. We lose to the Ravens and the Rams and we're 2 - 5. What about out franchise QB. How long can he stay healthy. Some speculate he maybe hurting already. One good shot and there goes the playing streak!
He's had than a month to get into football shape. Let's see what he can do.
I think he's needed. If he doesn't play any better than sit him down.
It's Becoming bizarre.
Seemed to work in the Dallas (?) game. Don't think I've seen it since.
Just like Pugh did when he had to be an emergency fill-in last year.
For whatever reason (and I'm almost afraid to know why) we will not move Flowers
Beatty was actually a legitimately good pass blocking LT. He is bad in the run game but we don't run to the edges anyway - he can certainly shield his man to the outside while we run up the middle
Ding ding ding - winner
and he was putrid the year before so who knows what he is now.
Btw - welcome back again from your 2nd announcement of retirement from yet another board :)
Or,he is barely a backup and they're trying to get him up to that level.
I'm thinking the former.
My thoughts are if he plays the right ides and does well, his confidence level will rise.
Strike two. You get one more swing at it.
Or,he is barely a backup and they're trying to get him up to that level.
I'm thinking the former.
He's a veteran football player. I know he wanted to come back and come back to the Giants. 6 weeks should get him some playing time. Weeks ago he could have at least been the blocking TE especially on short yardage.
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Strike two. You get one more swing at it.
'Looking' Never could spell. Not gonna start now!
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What makes you think that moving Flowers to the right side will help his confidence? The issue isn't his athletic ability, it's his technique and coachability. I don't see how starting from scratch on the right side will do anything but set him back.
My thoughts are if he plays the right ides and does well, his confidence level will rise.
I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.
I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.
Look lets just bring up the real "elephant in the room"...Nassib should be starting.
By "get him out of there," do you mean move him to RT, or bench him?
I would have loved to see him in Kareem McKenzie's old position in Gilbride/Coughlin's offense - where we featured the RT at the POA run blocking. Power O's, counters, sweeps all behind McKenzie folding down the DE. THEN you work playaction. We could play Diehl at LT in those conditions. Flowers could've done the same but really would've been perfect at RT.
In this scheme, I like him moving inside to G but that means shutting pugh back to RT. Beatty - Flowers - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh. Since we feature the inside running game almost exclusively it has merit. the Rams moved Greg Robinson to G after a dismal rookie year. it's the old scholarship mentality, waiting too long for results
I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.
Exactly! I sent my drone over practice the other day and the film showed Beatty stonewalling his man on virtually every play. I am pretty sure I saw hart and Flowers slipping envelopes to Solari, Sullivan, and McAdoo, but that footage gets a little grainy when you zoom in.
TE also generally lines up on RT. He can double team or chip the DE.
Sweet correction.
I agree with Sy'56 - give Flowers a couple weeks, then if he doesn't improve he either goes to RT or sits.
Seemed to work in the Dallas (?) game. Don't think I've seen it since.
If it worked, they must cease doing it.
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understand what they're seeing during practice and on film and don't realize what an asset they have riding the bench. Furthermore, they aren't interested in winning and playing the best player. We all know that the players who start don't earn it by superior play - there is favoritism throughout the clubhouse and who actually plays has very little to do with superior talent.
I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.
Exactly! I sent my drone over practice the other day and the film showed Beatty stonewalling his man on virtually every play. I am pretty sure I saw hart and Flowers slipping envelopes to Solari, Sullivan, and McAdoo, but that footage gets a little grainy when you zoom in.
In all seriousness, Reese and McAdoo are not keen on having Beatty--a cast-off--outperform a brand new first-rounder in Flowers. If preferences are not in play, how could the team keep "the JPP of TEs" for 3-4 years when any UDFA was better? This front office is so smart: Let Linval Joseph walk (saving the Giants 6 million per year), and then pay twice that to 3 DL: JPP, Snacks, and VO. Joseph -- a DT -- has as many sacks or more sacks as this entire overpaid group. He must have had fun showing Reese how little Reese really knows about managing an NFL team!