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When is it time for Beatty to play?

Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 9:09 am
Okay we have an establish Veteran sitting on the bench. We have what everyone agrees the OL is our worst unit.

What we do have is Flowers a first round pick who is and has the potential to be great. But he hasn't shown it so far. Why can't he play RT and build some confidence? Are we too hard headed to admit or try something.

Okay we're too hard headed..

Then play Beatty at RT. He can't be any worse than Hart. Hart couldn't beat out Newhouse, who everyone agrees was the worst lineman on our worst unit.

Oh yeah we're waiting for the Bye so we can work him in. Well that could be to late. We lose to the Ravens and the Rams and we're 2 - 5. What about out franchise QB. How long can he stay healthy. Some speculate he maybe hurting already. One good shot and there goes the playing streak!



Is Beatty in football shape  
bradshaw44 : 10/15/2016 9:15 am : link
? That's the big question. If he is then I'm all for putting him in. And if Newhouse comes back healthy put flowers at G and Beaty at LT.
When the Coaches say it is  
superspynyg : 10/15/2016 9:17 am : link
which they are not...unfortunately.
McAdoo say he ready to go if needed  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2016 9:18 am : link
But while I don't disagree that he may not be worse than how Flowers and Hart are currently playing. I don't think you should expect he would better either.

RE: Is Beatty in football shape  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 13173453 bradshaw44 said:
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? That's the big question. If he is then I'm all for putting him in. And if Newhouse comes back healthy put flowers at G and Beaty at LT.


He's had than a month to get into football shape. Let's see what he can do.
RE: McAdoo say he ready to go if needed  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 9:24 am : link
In comment 13173456 Jimmy Googs said:
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But while I don't disagree that he may not be worse than how Flowers and Hart are currently playing. I don't think you should expect he would better either.


I think he's needed. If he doesn't play any better than sit him down.
Why did we sign the guy....  
grizz299 : 10/15/2016 9:39 am : link
If we weren't going to play him and if he couldn't get in football shape.??
It's Becoming bizarre.
How about usuing him  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 9:41 am : link
as a blocking TE?
useing!!  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 9:41 am : link
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Another thought!  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 9:42 am : link
What happened to Jones lining up as the FB.

Seemed to work in the Dallas (?) game. Don't think I've seen it since.
i'll bet Beatty  
area junc : 10/15/2016 9:44 am : link
could've walked in cold and played better at LT than Flowers.
Just like Pugh did when he had to be an emergency fill-in last year.

For whatever reason (and I'm almost afraid to know why) we will not move Flowers

Beatty was actually a legitimately good pass blocking LT. He is bad in the run game but we don't run to the edges anyway - he can certainly shield his man to the outside while we run up the middle
Beatty played well in the run game in  
grizz299 : 10/15/2016 10:04 am : link
2014. He didn't get the credit he should have but he was a damn good tackle in all facets.
RE: How about usuing him  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2016 10:24 am : link
In comment 13173476 Fred-in-Florida said:
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as a blocking TE?



Ding ding ding - winner
RE: Beatty played well in the run game in  
Giants2012 : 10/15/2016 10:26 am : link
In comment 13173492 grizz299 said:
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2014. He didn't get the credit he should have but he was a damn good tackle in all facets.


and he was putrid the year before so who knows what he is now.

Btw - welcome back again from your 2nd announcement of retirement from yet another board :)
He missed  
old man : 10/15/2016 10:36 am : link
Off season 'voluntary' workouts, OTA,CAMP,Preseason play. I doubt 6 weeks makes that all up. My guess: maybe tomorrow, maybe London for spot play as his 'preseason' of sorts, and we see more of him after the bye.
Or,he is barely a backup and they're trying to get him up to that level.
I'm thinking the former.
Fred  
Milton : 10/15/2016 11:23 am : link
What makes you think that moving Flowers to the right side will help his confidence? The issue isn't his athletic ability, it's his technique and coachability. I don't see how starting from scratch on the right side will do anything but set him back.
RE: Fred  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 11:30 am : link
In comment 13173516 Milton said:
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What makes you think that moving Flowers to the right side will help his confidence? The issue isn't his athletic ability, it's his technique and coachability. I don't see how starting from scratch on the right side will do anything but set him back.


My thoughts are if he plays the right ides and does well, his confidence level will rise.
RE: useing!!  
Eman11 : 10/15/2016 11:32 am : link
In comment 13173478 Fred-in-Florida said:
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Strike two. You get one more swing at it.
RE: He missed  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 11:32 am : link
In comment 13173500 old man said:
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Off season 'voluntary' workouts, OTA,CAMP,Preseason play. I doubt 6 weeks makes that all up. My guess: maybe tomorrow, maybe London for spot play as his 'preseason' of sorts, and we see more of him after the bye.
Or,he is barely a backup and they're trying to get him up to that level.
I'm thinking the former.


He's a veteran football player. I know he wanted to come back and come back to the Giants. 6 weeks should get him some playing time. Weeks ago he could have at least been the blocking TE especially on short yardage.
RE: RE: useing!!  
Fred-in-Florida : 10/15/2016 11:34 am : link
In comment 13173522 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13173478 Fred-in-Florida said:


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Strike two. You get one more swing at it.


'Looking' Never could spell. Not gonna start now!
RE: RE: Fred  
Milton : 10/15/2016 11:37 am : link
In comment 13173521 Fred-in-Florida said:
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In comment 13173516 Milton said:


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What makes you think that moving Flowers to the right side will help his confidence? The issue isn't his athletic ability, it's his technique and coachability. I don't see how starting from scratch on the right side will do anything but set him back.



My thoughts are if he plays the right ides and does well, his confidence level will rise.
But what makes you think he'll play any better on the right side than he has on the left? He'll have to adjust his stance and his technique, adjust to playing next to Jerry insteaf of Pugh, and learn new assignments. It could be more likely to destroy his confidence than help it. And we don't even know if confidence is an issue for him.
Beatty is clearly the best OL on the team but the coaches don't  
baadbill : 10/15/2016 11:45 am : link
understand what they're seeing during practice and on film and don't realize what an asset they have riding the bench. Furthermore, they aren't interested in winning and playing the best player. We all know that the players who start don't earn it by superior play - there is favoritism throughout the clubhouse and who actually plays has very little to do with superior talent.

I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.
RE: Beatty is clearly the best OL on the team but the coaches don't  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2016 11:47 am : link
In comment 13173533 baadbill said:
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understand what they're seeing during practice and on film and don't realize what an asset they have riding the bench. Furthermore, they aren't interested in winning and playing the best player. We all know that the players who start don't earn it by superior play - there is favoritism throughout the clubhouse and who actually plays has very little to do with superior talent.

I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.


Look lets just bring up the real "elephant in the room"...Nassib should be starting.
When the coaches deem him....  
Crispino : 10/15/2016 12:11 pm : link
an upgrade?
I say Flowers gets 2 more weeks  
Sy'56 : 10/15/2016 12:49 pm : link
If he doesn't improve, get him out of there.
RE: I say Flowers gets 2 more weeks  
AcidTest : 10/15/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13173554 Sy'56 said:
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If he doesn't improve, get him out of there.


By "get him out of there," do you mean move him to RT, or bench him?
This team cannot afford to have Flowers bust.  
BlueHurricane : 10/15/2016 1:11 pm : link
Whatever they decide to do with him if he continues to struggle they better hope he finds a spot somewhere.
agree with the crowd  
area junc : 10/15/2016 1:30 pm : link
who doesn't think RT is any better. He's a poor fit at Offensive Tackle PERIOD in this zone scheme.

I would have loved to see him in Kareem McKenzie's old position in Gilbride/Coughlin's offense - where we featured the RT at the POA run blocking. Power O's, counters, sweeps all behind McKenzie folding down the DE. THEN you work playaction. We could play Diehl at LT in those conditions. Flowers could've done the same but really would've been perfect at RT.

In this scheme, I like him moving inside to G but that means shutting pugh back to RT. Beatty - Flowers - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh. Since we feature the inside running game almost exclusively it has merit. the Rams moved Greg Robinson to G after a dismal rookie year. it's the old scholarship mentality, waiting too long for results

can he catch?  
gtt350 : 10/15/2016 1:33 pm : link
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RE: Beatty is clearly the best OL on the team but the coaches don't  
Reale01 : 10/15/2016 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13173533 baadbill said:
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understand what they're seeing during practice and on film and don't realize what an asset they have riding the bench. Furthermore, they aren't interested in winning and playing the best player. We all know that the players who start don't earn it by superior play - there is favoritism throughout the clubhouse and who actually plays has very little to do with superior talent.

I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.


Exactly! I sent my drone over practice the other day and the film showed Beatty stonewalling his man on virtually every play. I am pretty sure I saw hart and Flowers slipping envelopes to Solari, Sullivan, and McAdoo, but that footage gets a little grainy when you zoom in.


RE: agree with the crowd  
UberAlias : 10/15/2016 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13173570 area junc said:
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who doesn't think RT is any better.
Here is where I disagree -yes, these days you aren't necessarily getting a lesser pass rusher at RT than LT. But the problem is, EF is defending Eli's blindside, and Eli is getting hit and can't see it coming. Even when there's good protection, Eli gets skittish after a couple seconds and makes a panic throw when he doesn't have to -he's shell shocked from the pressure he can't see. It's also more likely to lead to sack fumble when the QB doesn't see it coming.
Someone mentioned hard headed?  
Kivorkian : 10/15/2016 5:23 pm : link
Does our GM come to mind?
Huge difference between LT and RT  
Vanzetti : 10/15/2016 5:52 pm : link
As mentioned, LT is guarding Eli's blindside.

TE also generally lines up on RT. He can double team or chip the DE.
RE: useing!!  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/15/2016 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13173478 Fred-in-Florida said:
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Sweet correction.
we're saving Beatty for the playoffs  
SHO'NUFF : 10/15/2016 6:54 pm : link
just like we saved Rashad Jennings for last year's playoffs.
If Beatty is better than somebody  
section125 : 10/15/2016 7:05 pm : link
play him. But Fred right now Hart is playing better than Newhouse. Yes he has trouble with wide 9 split speed rushers, but before last week he played better in pass pro than Newhouse and IMO is a better run blocker than Newhouse.

I agree with Sy'56 - give Flowers a couple weeks, then if he doesn't improve he either goes to RT or sits.
RE: Another thought!  
D_Giants : 10/15/2016 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13173480 Fred-in-Florida said:
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What happened to Jones lining up as the FB.

Seemed to work in the Dallas (?) game. Don't think I've seen it since.


If it worked, they must cease doing it.
RE: RE: Beatty is clearly the best OL on the team but the coaches don't  
D_Giants : 10/15/2016 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13173597 Reale01 said:
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In comment 13173533 baadbill said:


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understand what they're seeing during practice and on film and don't realize what an asset they have riding the bench. Furthermore, they aren't interested in winning and playing the best player. We all know that the players who start don't earn it by superior play - there is favoritism throughout the clubhouse and who actually plays has very little to do with superior talent.

I'm really getting tired of management not playing the best players.



Exactly! I sent my drone over practice the other day and the film showed Beatty stonewalling his man on virtually every play. I am pretty sure I saw hart and Flowers slipping envelopes to Solari, Sullivan, and McAdoo, but that footage gets a little grainy when you zoom in.



In all seriousness, Reese and McAdoo are not keen on having Beatty--a cast-off--outperform a brand new first-rounder in Flowers. If preferences are not in play, how could the team keep "the JPP of TEs" for 3-4 years when any UDFA was better? This front office is so smart: Let Linval Joseph walk (saving the Giants 6 million per year), and then pay twice that to 3 DL: JPP, Snacks, and VO. Joseph -- a DT -- has as many sacks or more sacks as this entire overpaid group. He must have had fun showing Reese how little Reese really knows about managing an NFL team!
We are talking about  
atb63 : 10/16/2016 7:22 am : link
the same FO who (a couple years ago) took one of the most natural, highest rated and healthy LGs, pay him a bunch of money to come here, then immediately force him to play RG from day one with little to no explanation. That always baffled me. Interior line positions are kinda similar, I admit, I just always found this odd and one of many indicators that they FO might not be the best at using what they have.
The Giants cant  
XBRONX : 10/16/2016 7:36 am : link
move Flowers, it might hurt his feelings.
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