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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/16/2016 4:24 pm
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RE: RE: 38 yards running is not going to cut it!  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 10/16/2016 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13176114 Giantology said:
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In comment 13176103 Simms11 said:


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How do they improve the running game? They need a better running game then they're getting. Only reason we won today, was the pass D and OBJ.



By waiting another offseason to try and improve our OL again.


Hasn't it usually been thought that to really help your running game, you should have a back who is a threat to run wide and turn the corner? Like Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris? Like Tiki Barber and Tiki Barber?
RE: RE: RE: 38 yards running is not going to cut it!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2016 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13176203 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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In comment 13176114 Giantology said:


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In comment 13176103 Simms11 said:


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How do they improve the running game? They need a better running game then they're getting. Only reason we won today, was the pass D and OBJ.



By waiting another offseason to try and improve our OL again.



Hasn't it usually been thought that to really help your running game, you should have a back who is a threat to run wide and turn the corner? Like Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris? Like Tiki Barber and Tiki Barber?


That kind of speed typically goes high in the draft.
RE: RE: ...  
Simms11 : 10/16/2016 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13176183 micky said:
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In comment 13176111 Eric from BBI said:


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Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira 20m20 minutes ago

PI call in #BALvsNYG was not correct. Official almost seemed to confuse offense and defense.




So what exactly is the NFL going to do about this..its not a first..a slap on wrist? They get off easy


Not sure if Mac complained or not. Would have been good to see him flip out on the refs though.
RE: I don't know what McAdoo is doing  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/16/2016 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13176173 Go Terps said:
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This has to be the stupidest, most undisciplined Giants team I've seen in thirty years.

How many personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conducts, and general lack of awareness plays are going to be tolerated?

Just a terrible team right now. Terrible.


They don't look any different than last season. The game they played against Philly last year on Monday night, for example, contained as much stupidity as today did. And that team was coached by a Hall of Famer.

Odell is what he is. However, there are too many guys who shouldn't be on NFL rosters right now that the Giants seem content on carrying week after week.
Larry Dumbell needs to go  
xman : 10/16/2016 4:55 pm : link
to another team
pink gloves  
jhibb : 10/16/2016 4:57 pm : link
Can the players please not highlight when they're grabbing an opponents jersey by wearing these bright pink gloves?
As bad as that PI call was, the defenders of it will point to the split second he had some jersey in his hand (and that's what the explanation on the field was, right?). Not that it was bad enough to make such a drastic call - AC was essentially the receiver on that play and there's no way a WR gets called for offensive PI there.

Regardless, can we keep the pink down on the legs and feet only in the future?
the roughing call  
fkap : 10/16/2016 4:57 pm : link
was a good call
the non call on PI on the sheppard/INT was a good non call.

the DRC PI was absolutely pathetic, as was the non call of PI against Lewis.

there was a lot of excessive celebration after the first OBJ TD and we got away with that one.
jeff57  
Go Terps : 10/16/2016 4:58 pm : link
The coaches don't seem to be making anyone care. Beckham being a moron isn't news, but he isn't the only one. Off the top of my head I also recall Donnell doing several stupid things, and we extended a Baltimore possession with an offside on fourth down.

If I'm looking at this team from an objective perspective, I see a total mess.
Donnell is what he is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2016 5:00 pm : link
A serious, career-threatening neck injury and concussions and fumbles have not been a teacher, what do you think coaching is going to do?
RE: This team without ODB  
jhibb : 10/16/2016 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13176083 family progtitioner said:
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would win 3 games. The rest of the offense is JAGS or worse


Maybe, but it was curious that the first time the O looked good today was when OBJ was in the locker room. It was like Eli remembered how to throw on target.

We've been a mistake prone team for several years...dumb plays  
yatqb : 10/16/2016 5:01 pm : link
at the most inopportune times have been standard practice for us. McAdoo has to come down really hard on the team about that.
Why is it unsportsmanlike conduct to quietly take off your helmet  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 10/16/2016 5:01 pm : link
when you're standing alone in the end zone with no one around?

Do you think that I want to spend almost three hours watching a tight football game go back and forth only to have the outcome changed by that penalty.

Am I going to continue to watch NFL games if I know that the outcome can be decided by some action that has absolutely no effect on the way the the play of the game.?

If you have to do something, fine the player.
RE: RE: Anyone else tired of Odell and that stupid net?  
Bill L : 10/16/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13176062 jeff57 said:
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Enough already.


Yes.
seems like your beef is more with the camera crew and director in the booth. Where they should be, is *between* this big wide white line.
RE: RE: This team without ODB  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2016 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13176251 jhibb said:
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In comment 13176083 family progtitioner said:


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would win 3 games. The rest of the offense is JAGS or worse



Maybe, but it was curious that the first time the O looked good today was when OBJ was in the locker room. It was like Eli remembered how to throw on target.


That's probably more about Eli than Beckham. Beckham did a lot of his damage after that point.
It's prettty clear that there are several people here who hate Odell  
Bill L : 10/16/2016 5:03 pm : link
More than they like the Giants winning.
We somehow survived  
spike : 10/16/2016 5:03 pm : link
the refs trying to screw us over.
Who was offsides on the Ravens punt?  
jhibb : 10/16/2016 5:05 pm : link
The one that gave them the first down.
I rewound to see because I didn't notice anything odd and didn't hear them call a number. Didn't see anyone move early. It was a tough angle to tell, but maybe the guy on the line closest to the ball was lined up in the neutral zone? I thought that was odd because usually they specify that in the call.

Boomer is such an idiot  
BestFeature : 10/16/2016 5:05 pm : link
Dude gets 222 yards and 2 TDs and all you could talk about him is him taking his helmet off and then the inconsequential albeit tired net celebration. Fuck you Boomer.
Odell is just such a monster  
LatHarv83 : 10/16/2016 5:06 pm : link
Maybe the most fun win since super bowl 46? Hope that Green Bay gives us some help and we are just 1 game out in the loss column and the schedule gets easier. The D has been better than expected this year but we really can't afford anybody to go down on that dl, they are paper thin there. This has a chance to be a fun season where they are playing key games late with playoff implications. Today's win was huge making that possible. Big difference between 2-4 and 3-3
RE: RE: RE: This team without ODB  
jhibb : 10/16/2016 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13176262 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13176251 jhibb said:


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In comment 13176083 family progtitioner said:


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would win 3 games. The rest of the offense is JAGS or worse



Maybe, but it was curious that the first time the O looked good today was when OBJ was in the locker room. It was like Eli remembered how to throw on target.




That's probably more about Eli than Beckham. Beckham did a lot of his damage after that point.


Agreed. It was like something reset in Eli's head or something at that point in the game.
Of course, it also had to do with running the no huddle, I'm sure.
Some are acting as if this team has hit a new low  
DieHard : 10/16/2016 5:07 pm : link
With all the shenanigans, we're 3-3, which is pretty much the same as we've been the last three seasons. Where we go from here will determine whether we're trending in the right direction.
RE: I really don't think I say this through Giants colored glasses  
ColHowPepper : 10/16/2016 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13176071 Matt M. said:
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The officials very nearly handed the Ravens the game. There were 4 critical calls or no-calls in this game that all negatively impacted the Giants in a HUGE way:
1) No PI on the throw to Lewis in the end zone
2) No PI on the 3rd down throw to Shepard that resulted in an INT
3) PI on Cromartie -
4) Roughing the passer - He didn't take more than 2 steps. It was 2 steps and not a big hit.
Matt,
1) No question a blown no-call
2) Disagree, much closer call and no clear show of hands or upper body to SS's before the legs tangled. I wanted a call, but hard to argue the no-call
3) As many have said, atrocious, indefensible call, and Triplett should have told the BJ to pick up the flag
4) It's an easy call to make, a harder one not to make, and a stupid, unnecessary play by OO, two steps is one too many
Eagles:  
Overseer : 10/16/2016 5:09 pm : link
vs Vikings
@ Cowboys

Giants need to step on the Rams after their 11 hour flight. Then week 9 is an NFC East showdown.
RE: Who was offsides on the Ravens punt?  
spike : 10/16/2016 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13176278 jhibb said:
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The one that gave them the first down.
I rewound to see because I didn't notice anything odd and didn't hear them call a number. Didn't see anyone move early. It was a tough angle to tell, but maybe the guy on the line closest to the ball was lined up in the neutral zone? I thought that was odd because usually they specify that in the call.


Herzlich iirc
RE: Who was offsides on the Ravens punt?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2016 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13176278 jhibb said:
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The one that gave them the first down.
I rewound to see because I didn't notice anything odd and didn't hear them call a number. Didn't see anyone move early. It was a tough angle to tell, but maybe the guy on the line closest to the ball was lined up in the neutral zone? I thought that was odd because usually they specify that in the call.


Ref call was 89, which is Jerrell Adams, the rookie TE.
RE: If McAdoo doesn't play Perkins at RB and Adams at TE next week  
ColHowPepper : 10/16/2016 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13176073 GeofromNJ said:
Not for nothing, but it was Adams who was offsides on the punt in Q2 on 4th and 2 that gave Ravens a 1st, and I believe they went in for a field goal on the continuation of that drive. So much stupidity today, hard to stomach.
nice job refs...  
OBJ_AllDay : 10/16/2016 5:10 pm : link
jesus christ
RE: I thought you had to be on the playing field  
smshmth8690 : 10/16/2016 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13176150 Jeever said:
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to receive the unsportsman like penalty for removing your helmet. OBJ was out off the end zone not on the field of play. Am I wrong?



My thoughts exactly. It should not have been called.
RE: RE: Trent green  
smshmth8690 : 10/16/2016 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13176155 RDJR said:
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Worst play by play guy ever



He's not the play by play guy. He's the analyst. Greg Gumbel was on play by play.


After some of his comments, it's hard to believe he played in the NFL. Giants up by 4, and he's saying "Baltimore has to kick the field goal here, to make it a one score game".
Well...  
M.S. : 10/16/2016 5:13 pm : link

...we are all rooting for a team with some glaring weaknesses.

But, hey... they're 3-3 and are an overall improvement on last year's rendition.

But 2016 is still part of a re-build.


RE: Eagles:  
LatHarv83 : 10/16/2016 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13176306 Overseer said:
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vs Vikings
@ Cowboys

Giants need to step on the Rams after their 11 hour flight. Then week 9 is an NFC East showdown.


The Vikings are coming off a bye week too. I think I saw on twitter today that the Rams defense is really ravaged with injuries right now and it got worse today, but I didn't investigate it much further than that. Then it's the bye and 3 winnable home games and a trip to Cleveland before December comes. Can't ever get ahead of yourself but there is an opportunity for the Giants to be in the drivers seat when December comes around. I'm still having a tough time knowing what to make of the strength of our division despite the early success it has collectively had
for a bad hip  
micky : 10/16/2016 5:19 pm : link
Odell runs pretty damn fast
Vikings might embarass the eagles with their OL issues.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2016 5:20 pm : link
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RE: RE: Eagles:  
Big Blue '56 : 10/16/2016 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13176325 LatHarv83 said:
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In comment 13176306 Overseer said:


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vs Vikings
@ Cowboys

Giants need to step on the Rams after their 11 hour flight. Then week 9 is an NFC East showdown.



The Vikings are coming off a bye week too. I think I saw on twitter today that the Rams defense is really ravaged with injuries right now and it got worse today, but I didn't investigate it much further than that. Then it's the bye and 3 winnable home games and a trip to Cleveland before December comes. Can't ever get ahead of yourself but there is an opportunity for the Giants to be in the drivers seat when December comes around. I'm still having a tough time knowing what to make of the strength of our division despite the early success it has collectively had


Not sure if you had a previous handle, but regardless, keep posting..
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jrapps : 10/16/2016 5:25 pm : link
Random question - why didn't the ravens wear any of the cancer awareness clothing? Found it odd.
RE: RE: RE: Trent green  
snumber6 : 10/16/2016 5:28 pm : link




After some of his comments, it's hard to believe he played in the NFL. Giants up by 4, and he's saying "Baltimore has to kick the field goal here, to make it a one score game". [/quote]

The way the game turned out ... The Ravens would have won if they had done that needing only a fg at the end ... There was plenty of game left when they went for the TD so making it a one point game then is not that bad a call ...
RE: I thought you had to be on the playing field  
GloryDayz : 10/16/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13176150 Jeever said:
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to receive the unsportsman like penalty for removing your helmet. OBJ was out off the end zone not on the field of play. Am I wrong?


thats what i thought too... he was out behind the EZ and went straight to the SL
Can you imagine  
santacruzom : 10/16/2016 5:29 pm : link
How bad an opposing coach must feel when his team loses to MacAdoo and the Giants?
RE: .  
spike : 10/16/2016 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13176360 jrapps said:
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Random question - why didn't the ravens wear any of the cancer awareness clothing? Found it odd.


Dirty birds don't wear pink
RE: Eagles:  
Carson53 : 10/16/2016 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13176306 Overseer said:
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vs Vikings
@ Cowboys

Giants need to step on the Rams after their 11 hour flight. Then week 9 is an NFC East showdown.
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You might want to cut the flight time in half, they are going
to London, not Asia.
I've been saying it for years, and people say it's sour grapes  
jcn56 : 10/16/2016 5:32 pm : link
but the officiating in the league just isn't good enough. You can't have a game that's so precise, played by world class athletes, managed by dozens of coaches, ultimately officiated by a bunch of real estate lawyers who take a few months off during the winter.
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CGiants07 : 10/16/2016 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13176360 jrapps said:
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Random question - why didn't the ravens wear any of the cancer awareness clothing? Found it odd.



we didnt wear any when we were away last week so maybe only home team can?
RE: RE: I really don't think I say this through Giants colored glasses  
Matt M. : 10/16/2016 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13176297 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 13176071 Matt M. said:


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The officials very nearly handed the Ravens the game. There were 4 critical calls or no-calls in this game that all negatively impacted the Giants in a HUGE way:
1) No PI on the throw to Lewis in the end zone
2) No PI on the 3rd down throw to Shepard that resulted in an INT
3) PI on Cromartie -
4) Roughing the passer - He didn't take more than 2 steps. It was 2 steps and not a big hit.

Matt,
1) No question a blown no-call
2) Disagree, much closer call and no clear show of hands or upper body to SS's before the legs tangled. I wanted a call, but hard to argue the no-call
3) As many have said, atrocious, indefensible call, and Triplett should have told the BJ to pick up the flag
4) It's an easy call to make, a harder one not to make, and a stupid, unnecessary play by OO, two steps is one too many
I can agree about #2, but #4 is where I really wanted to make sure these weren't Giant colored glasses. 2 steps is not 1 too many. IT is nearly impossible to stop on a dime. More than two steps and I agree 100%. 2 small steps, I'm not so sure.
My 2 cents on OBJ  
Matt M. : 10/16/2016 5:36 pm : link
Taking the helmet off was stupid, but I'm not sure it means he's selfish. But, when somebody told him about it on the sidelines right after he got to the sidelines, you could read his lips saying, "Let them throw it" with a motion of throwing the flag. That is equally stupid. I really don't like giving up 15 yards after most of his scores, especially in tight, back and forth games.
Great to win  
Marty866b : 10/16/2016 5:37 pm : link
Can we please cut Donnell? He's putting me on blood pressure medication.
RE: RE: Eagles:  
Matt M. : 10/16/2016 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13176374 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13176306 Overseer said:


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vs Vikings
@ Cowboys

Giants need to step on the Rams after their 11 hour flight. Then week 9 is an NFC East showdown.

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You might want to cut the flight time in half, they are going
to London, not Asia.
I think he was referring to the Rams flight time. Sure, we have to fly 5+ hours east, but the Rams have to fly double. And, they are a lesser team.
RE: My 2 cents on OBJ  
Go Terps : 10/16/2016 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13176387 Matt M. said:
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Taking the helmet off was stupid, but I'm not sure it means he's selfish. But, when somebody told him about it on the sidelines right after he got to the sidelines, you could read his lips saying, "Let them throw it" with a motion of throwing the flag. That is equally stupid. I really don't like giving up 15 yards after most of his scores, especially in tight, back and forth games.


I missed that. Wow.
I was at the game...  
EricJ : 10/16/2016 5:38 pm : link
and here is the gist of it...
1. We gave them 6 points on turnovers in our own end.
2. We had first and goal on the 1 and settled for 3 (left 4 points on the field).

^^ so far, we fucked ourselves for 10pts.

3. other than 3-4 throws to OBJ, the offense has absolutely NOTHING.
4. We only ran for a total of 38 yards !! Yet we kept trying on every first down. We knew it and so did the Ravens.
5. We are still killing ourselves with the penalties.
6. The call on DRC and the non call on the INT going to Shepard were ridiculous.... and I am someone who never complains about the calls. However, if we take care of #1 and #2 on the top of my list, neither call makes a difference.

Summary, the defense played well enough. They still bend too much for my liking. The offense still has serious problems despite the nice game by OBJ. We cannot win consistently by the big play. If we cannot learn how to move the chains and put drives together then all we will do is get these small meaningless wins on occasion... like a pig with lipstick. We actually should have beaten this team by a lot more.
RE: RE: RE: Eagles:  
LatHarv83 : 10/16/2016 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13176353 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13176306 Overseer said:


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vs Vikings
@ Cowboys

Giants need to step on the Rams after their 11 hour flight. Then week 9 is an NFC East showdown.



The Vikings are coming off a bye week too. I think I saw on twitter today that the Rams defense is really ravaged with injuries right now and it got worse today, but I didn't investigate it much further than that. Then it's the bye and 3 winnable home games and a trip to Cleveland before December comes. Can't ever get ahead of yourself but there is an opportunity for the Giants to be in the drivers seat when December comes around. I'm still having a tough time knowing what to make of the strength of our division despite the early success it has collectively had



Not sure if you had a previous handle, but regardless, keep posting..


Thanks bud. No previous handle.
i'm just sick of all the jackassery, even on Cruz signaling  
gtt350 : 10/16/2016 5:46 pm : link
first down while trailing 10-0, a running broad jump in the end zone, please enough of the me me me. and on top of that panzy ass football, thanks Goddell.
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