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NGT: What's wrong with Aaron Rodgers?

Britt in VA : 10/17/2016 9:36 am
Green Bay entered yesterday's game against Dallas at 27th in the NFL in passing. Rodgers was the least accurate of all qualifying quarterbacks with a completion percentage of 56.1%.

That improved a little bit after their loss last night...

Green Bay now 25th in passing, and Rodgers moved up to 23rd in completion percentage. But the whole thing still looks off.
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RE: and he has had  
rocco8112 : 10/17/2016 10:34 am : link
In comment 13177613 pjcas18 said:
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ALL DAY back there even against Dallas. He got pressured by the Vikings, but not the Giants or Dallas. yesterday i remember one sack, not sure if there were more, but so many plays he had so much time, maybe too much time if that's possible.


watched the whole game and I agree. Dallas was not putting big time pressure on him, and when they do, he is still great at using his mobility to move out of the pocket.

In my opinion , bad pass protection was not a huge factor in his performance yesterday.

As for Dallas, that oline might win them a title.
Olivia Munn is fairly routinely attractive  
Overseer : 10/17/2016 10:35 am : link
with marginal acting talent who is trying to be an A-lister. It ain't workin.
As stated above  
MetsAreBack : 10/17/2016 10:38 am : link
Rodgers has had perfectly fine OL protection so far.

He's in a bad slump - he missed Cobb for wide open TDs at least twice yesterday, three if you want to count the go-route he overthrew (though there was tight coverage on that play). And the pick and even fumble were ridiculous too. I'm sure he'll turn it around in the next week or two.
bummer  
spike : 10/17/2016 10:40 am : link
we will compete w them for the wc
I am loving every minute of it  
rocco8112 : 10/17/2016 10:49 am : link
Rodgers always seems so arrogant to me. I love watching him fail. As far as his calf injury, the way he was limping around and drawing so much attention to it during the playoffs that year annoyed me to no end. It is like built in excuse making.

I hope he continues to decline, and of course yesterday was one of the few times I would root for the guy, and he shits the bed against Dallas.

Dallas is looking pretty good on O that O line is scary. Their rookie QB and rookie RB are setting rookie records and a lot of it has to do with playing behind the best line in the league. That week one win is looking pretty good right now.
RE: Olivia Munn is fairly routinely attractive  
Deej : 10/17/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 13177764 Overseer said:
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with marginal acting talent who is trying to be an A-lister. It ain't workin.


Lol. "Fairly routinely attractive"
GB  
stretch234 : 10/17/2016 11:07 am : link
He still does have to scramble a lot. Their running game is OK at best.

Their bread and butter play was the slant to Nelson who would beat the CB and go the distance. He is not able to do that. Cobb is not the player they thought he was and the Adams can't catch. Don't think Rodgers even wants to throw to the TE.

Sometimes I think he just wants to make the prefect throw just to show he can
Nothing  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:12 am : link
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some guys don't dominate forever  
djm : 10/17/2016 11:13 am : link
Rodgers appears to be one those guys. HE was so good from 08-2014 or so but he definitely doesn't look the same lately. His surrounding talent isn't that bad. He's just not making the same insane plays as frequently. HE may need to adjust his game because it appears his talents have diminished.
RE: Nothing  
djm : 10/17/2016 11:17 am : link
In comment 13177898 KWALL2 said:
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You can't say that. HE was level 10 good for about 6-7 years. Now he's just good, maybe even very good, at times great, but he was ridiculously great all the time for a long time. Stats, eye test, wins and losses, they all point to a lesser player and there's no denying it.
Last year he had shit  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:19 am : link
Cobb isn't very good. He's an average player. Is Nelson the same player after the knee injury? He had one good game this year. Last 2 have been terrible with drops.

Nothing at TE.

Decent pass catcher in Starks out of the backfield but that's it and the guy is always banged up.

He doesn't have even one explosive player. Rodgers is not the problem. They will add some speed and a guy or 2 who can get open and he'll be back to MVP type numbers. It isn't over for him as an elite player. Not close. 5 more years at least.
...  
Overseer : 10/17/2016 11:20 am : link
In comment 13177821 Deej said:
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Lol. "Fairly routinely attractive"

Didn't mean that as a slight. Can't say I'm in the loop as far as America's B-listers, but my understanding was that her appeal was girl-next-door type. If you see knockout, to each his own...
Last year he was great  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:20 am : link
He's still the same player. Nothing has changed with his game. Same guy. Only problem is he doesn't have a matchup advantage at any position.
Good to see the same mentality that applies to Eli  
widmerseyebrow : 10/17/2016 11:21 am : link
applies to other great QBs. The wheels can fall off the car but there's always a group that wants to can the driver anyway.
not wishing ill will on AR...  
BillKo : 10/17/2016 11:25 am : link
but it was "good" to see another offense with a terrific QB getting booed at home.

Playing QB in the NFL is not easy.

I was at the game yesterday, and one thing I have started doing is reading the game threads because you miss things going on when there and don't have any commentary. I was amazed at the bashing of Eli on every pass that wasn't a positive. Equally, amazed at the people in the stands saying Eli is washed up, this and that......

You aren't going 25-30, where the 5 incompletes are drops.

There are going to be bad throws, reads, and errors.

RE: Last year he was great  
Giantology : 10/17/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 13177930 KWALL2 said:
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He's still the same player. Nothing has changed with his game. Same guy. Only problem is he doesn't have a matchup advantage at any position.


It's a matchup advantage problem now?

Then why is he missing badly on so many throws? He is putting balls in the dirt and forcing his receivers to adjust to balls thrown behind them. Sure, guys need to make plays, but he is missing throws that he has made countless times and is showing visible frustration at it.
the question is ..  
giantfan2000 : 10/17/2016 11:29 am : link

everyone in the league is questioning
what's wrong with Aaron Rodgers

the real question is

why is did the Giants lose to Green Bay
He is off a bit. so what  
AnnapolisMike : 10/17/2016 11:29 am : link
Maybe Dallas is really good?
There was one pass to Cobb  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:30 am : link
That was not a miss. He was rolling left. And cobb was running toward the sideline. Rodgers threw it to a spot to get him open. After he threw the ball Cobb turned up the field and couldn't get the ball. If he turned up field sooner he may have caught it.

The announcers got on the QB for that throw? That's ridiculous. He wasn't open before he threw the ball.

I guess "matchup disadvantages" were the reason  
Mr. Bungle : 10/17/2016 11:30 am : link
he was fumbling like Dave Krieg yesterday.
He missed a few throws  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:32 am : link
But it's being overplayed. Aikman and the announcer yesterday had that in the agenda. He had a 68% completion at the point when they were pointing out his accuracy issues in the game.

A throw is a little low and Aikman was ready with some nonsense about Rodgers having an accuracy issue.
bulshit  
djm : 10/17/2016 11:32 am : link
I watch the guy miss open WR all season long. He's LAST in completion %. GEt that? Last. His teams aren't scoring points. Again, he's missing wide open WRs. You're stretching the lack of talent. Yes he doesn't have the same class of talent but's still got talent to work with that many QBs would be glad to have. His OL, RBs and WRs are adequate even if not stellar. Rodgers could bounce back but as of now he's slipped.
So it's a fumbling issue now?  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:33 am : link
LOL. Yeah that's the reason for the decline of this player.
Rodgers wasn't as bad last year  
djm : 10/17/2016 11:34 am : link
even if last year was a step below his normal standards, yes, he was better last year than he is this year thus far.

HE elevated James Jones to BBI legend. Now we're being told Cobb can't play and Jordy isn't the same player. Where is James Jones anyway?

Rodgers has been slipping the last two seasons and it's getting worse unless you think the talent on GB this season is 2X worse than last season.
that's just it KWall  
djm : 10/17/2016 11:35 am : link
Rodgers would miss a guy 3-4 times a month at his peak. Now he's missing guys 1-2 times a drive.
RE: There was one pass to Cobb  
giants#1 : 10/17/2016 11:37 am : link
In comment 13177964 KWALL2 said:
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That was not a miss. He was rolling left. And cobb was running toward the sideline. Rodgers threw it to a spot to get him open. After he threw the ball Cobb turned up the field and couldn't get the ball. If he turned up field sooner he may have caught it.

The announcers got on the QB for that throw? That's ridiculous. He wasn't open before he threw the ball.


Aikman got on Rodgers for the Cobb miss for not throwing it to the sideline sooner. Said something like "normally Rodgers would've recognized that play immediately and looked Cobb's direction sooner". But by the time Rodgers finally did look Cobb's direction, there was no way to fit the ball between Cobb and the sideline and he had to throw it further up field. Also had some pressure by then and the pass was too far.

The Church INT and the play right before were not typical Rodgers though. He had all day on the Church INT and the throw was no where near the WR. The prior play, he had good protection and a WR (Montgomery?) open across the middle. If he hit him in stride, as we've come to expect with Rodgers, it's a 20+ yard gain. Instead, it was a low throw and the WR had to make a finger tip grab just to pick up the first.
RE: So it's a fumbling issue now?  
Mr. Bungle : 10/17/2016 11:38 am : link
In comment 13177973 KWALL2 said:
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LOL. Yeah that's the reason for the decline of this player.

OK, I'll keep playing. Sailing the ball WAY OVER the head of an UNCOVERED Randall Cobb in the end zone was due to Cobb not being that good. OK. Got it.
So he lost his accuracy  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:39 am : link
Just somehow lost it? Is that it? Ok sure. Well check back on this one in a year and see how it looks with a larger sample.

Here is what will happen;

1. They develop Montgomery into a much larger role and he's the best weapon on the team.
2. TE Cook come back and starts catching 5 passes a game.

Rodgers is back to elite and some how solves the accuracy problem.
RE: There was one pass to Cobb  
dep026 : 10/17/2016 11:43 am : link
In comment 13177964 KWALL2 said:
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That was not a miss. He was rolling left. And cobb was running toward the sideline. Rodgers threw it to a spot to get him open. After he threw the ball Cobb turned up the field and couldn't get the ball. If he turned up field sooner he may have caught it.

The announcers got on the QB for that throw? That's ridiculous. He wasn't open before he threw the ball.


I dont think that was the throw people are referring too. I know the one you were talking about that was almost a great play, not Rodgers fault.

The throw to Cobb was the one in the end zone where he was wide open and AR overthrew him badly. It was a bad miss that should have been an easy TD.
I missed yesterday's game sitting in traffic outside Metlife  
aimrocky : 10/17/2016 11:45 am : link
but I thought his receivers got little to no separation in the Giants game, but he was putting the ball in the right spots.
Rogers,  
oldog : 10/17/2016 12:02 pm : link
was greatly overrated when his context was favorable.
Dep  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 12:08 pm : link
Somebody posted he missed Conb twice for TDs. I'm sure that was one. And the announcers mentioned accuracy issue and used that throw as an example.
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 10/17/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13178062 KWALL2 said:
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Somebody posted he missed Conb twice for TDs. I'm sure that was one. And the announcers mentioned accuracy issue and used that throw as an example.


Yeah the one you commented on COULD have been a TD, but it would have been a great play. That was far from a gimmee. The other one was a bad, bad miss.
MMQB...  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2016 12:12 pm : link
GOAT OF THE WEEK

Aaron Rodgers, quarterback, Green Bay. There’s something amiss with Rodgers. Anyone who watches football can see. Case in point: Third quarter Sunday against Dallas, Green Bay had the ball twice, reached Cowboys territory on both drives, and Rodgers coughed it up with bad turnovers both times. First he threw an pass behind his man that safety Barry Church picked off; then, at the Dallas one-yard line, late in the quarter, he ran a quarterback draw and had the ball stripped. Dallas led by 14 at the time of the second giveaway by Rodgers, and Dallas won by 14. These are the kinds of games Green Bay has won for years during the Rodgers era, the slugfests with NFC peers. They’re not going to win many now unless Rodgers raises his game, and fast.


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they mentioned that play  
giants#1 : 10/17/2016 12:13 pm : link
as one that "Rodgers usually connects on" (paraphrasing), not as an "easy" play that was missed a la the other potential Cobb TD. And they're right, Rodgers does usually hit on that play and that's part of what made him special.
I really don't understand what's so difficult about saying  
Mr. Bungle : 10/17/2016 12:15 pm : link
"Aaron Rodgers is an outstanding quarterback, but he hasn't been playing well lately."

I mean, it's obvious to most people watching that he hasn't been himself.
RE: I really don't understand what's so difficult about saying  
giants#1 : 10/17/2016 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13178076 Mr. Bungle said:
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"Aaron Rodgers is an outstanding quarterback, but he hasn't been playing well lately."

I mean, it's obvious to most people watching that he hasn't been himself.


Same issue people took with saying "Eli's the greatest QB in team history, but has played poorly for 3 straight games" last week.
Who knows?  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2016 12:18 pm : link
But to me, this is just another reason to love Eli Manning.
Washington Post Article:  
Britt in VA : 10/17/2016 12:19 pm : link
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Through six weeks, Rodgers has completed 60.2 percent of his passes. That places him 25th among 31 qualifying quarterbacks — he was dead last heading into Week 6 action — and continues a trend that started last season, when Rodgers’ completion percentage dipped below 61 percent for the first time since he became a starter in 2008. But that decline was attributed to losing star receiver Jordy Nelson. Now that Nelson has returned, Rodgers is slightly worse.


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Dropped passes are not the problem. Rodgers’s receivers have dropped seven passes this season, among the lowest experienced by any passer this season. And after you adjust for dropped passes, throwaways, spiked balls, batted passes and passes where the quarterback was hit while they threw the ball, Rodgers still ranks 25th in accuracy.

Instead, it is just an overall decline in his production. For example, on passes thrown 1-to-20 yards during 2008 to 2014, Rodgers completed 66.1 percent of his passes. Since the start of 2015 that has dropped to 56.6 percent. On passes 21 or more yards his completion percentage has dropped from 41.1 to 25.7 percent. Only passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage have remained unfazed (81.9 to 82.7 percent).

But don’t blame the receivers. The game charters at Pro Football Focus found Rodgers targeted Nelson 571 times with 437 catchable balls (76.5 percent) from 2008 to 2014 but just 28 of Nelson’s 46 targets (60.9 percent) this year are deemed catchable. Randall Cobb, his other main receiver, has seen a similar decline.






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There were 3 to Cobb that could have been TDs  
MetsAreBack : 10/17/2016 12:20 pm : link
the one he sailed over Cobb was the toughest of the 3 imo, but we're talking about Aaron Rodgers here -- up against those standards he set for himself, I'm surprised he's playing this poorly.

The other Cobb miss no one is talking about is the one where he got behind the safety and Rodgers underthrew it pretty badly allowing the defender to knock it down at the last second. Vintage Rodgers hits Cobb in stride. That was earlier in the 2nd quarter than the one he sailed a few drives later.
RE: Rogers,  
djm : 10/17/2016 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13178049 oldog said:
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was greatly overrated when his context was favorable.


No he wasn't. Rodgers was an MVP player at his peak. He was otherworldly.
Trade Nassib to Green Bay  
jcp56 : 10/17/2016 12:50 pm : link
for a 2nd?

I kid, I kid
Something is amiss and they  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 12:58 pm : link
mention a fumble when he was hit on the arm? Really? Something is amiss with this logic. That is all.
Others have mentioned Munn ...  
Beezer : 10/17/2016 12:59 pm : link

... but it seems they've been together since April 2014 ... which is the split at which Rodgers' passing percentage takes a dive.

Dude is happy = the edge is off = aging a bit = drop in productivity.

It's not exactly new math, or even a crazy thought.
"usually connects on"?  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 1:06 pm : link
That's more announcer BS. They were ripping the guy for his accuracy at that point while mentioning he was at 68% for the game. And didn't mention the drops.

The throw to Cobb up the sideline is not one he usually connects on. The throw wasn't bad at all. He threw to an open space. Just missed it.

On the one throw when Cobb had a step was a decent throw too. It wasnt behind the WR. It just wasn't perfect. The Dallas DB Jones is one of the best athletes to ever play in the NFL. He recovered on a a much slower man (Cobb) and jumped to knock it away.
lol  
MetsAreBack : 10/17/2016 1:10 pm : link
"much slower Cobb" One guy runs a 4.45 then other a 4.35

So...theatrics aside... it was a badly underthrown ball, Cobb basically had to stop his route which allowed Jones to catch up and deflect it. Should have been a touchdown, Cobb got behind the defense.
cobb doesn't run that  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 1:11 pm : link
He's not very fast. Jones is a sick athlete on another level. This is the guy that jumped like 45" and broke the world record in the broad jump.

Cobb is a 4.6 guy at this point.
Wait.. Fans of other teams  
Bubba : 10/17/2016 1:28 pm : link
boo their team? Not according to BBI only Giant fans boo their team.
RE: Wait.. Fans of other teams  
Mr. Bungle : 10/17/2016 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13178224 Bubba said:
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boo their team? Not according to BBI only Giant fans boo their team.

BBI said that? Who is he, by the way? I hear a lot about what BBI says.
Look, there's no debating his game his off....  
BillKo : 10/17/2016 2:15 pm : link
you can see it.

Seen it versus the Giants after the first drive, and all day yesterday versus the Cowboys.

Could be a variety of factors, but AR was throwing the hell out of ball with uncanny accuracy and velocity.

That's not happening right now, or at least not at the level of previous years.

Like I have said, great players have bad (or in this case) off years..........relatively speaking.
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