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NGT: What's wrong with Aaron Rodgers?

Britt in VA : 10/17/2016 9:36 am
Green Bay entered yesterday's game against Dallas at 27th in the NFL in passing. Rodgers was the least accurate of all qualifying quarterbacks with a completion percentage of 56.1%.

That improved a little bit after their loss last night...

Green Bay now 25th in passing, and Rodgers moved up to 23rd in completion percentage. But the whole thing still looks off.
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same issues as Eli  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2016 9:38 am : link
oline issues and no true threat at TE. He's bandaged it for a long time, but its catching up to him as he gets older.
That's the million dollar question  
Giantology : 10/17/2016 9:39 am : link
Seems to be a combination of issues with his mechanics, some miscommunications with his receivers, and then some really bad throws/decisions.
RE: same issues as Eli  
Giantology : 10/17/2016 9:39 am : link
In comment 13177603 UConn4523 said:
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oline issues and no true threat at TE. He's bandaged it for a long time, but its catching up to him as he gets older.


Not sure how much GB you've watched this year, but their o-line has not been the problem.
I have been wondering the same thing.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/17/2016 9:40 am : link
He's had more non-Rodgers type games than not since he came back from injury a few years ago, imv
Weak  
Motley Two : 10/17/2016 9:40 am : link
Legs
and he has had  
pjcas18 : 10/17/2016 9:42 am : link
ALL DAY back there even against Dallas. He got pressured by the Vikings, but not the Giants or Dallas. yesterday i remember one sack, not sure if there were more, but so many plays he had so much time, maybe too much time if that's possible.

RE: same issues as Eli  
Mr. Bungle : 10/17/2016 9:42 am : link
In comment 13177603 UConn4523 said:
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oline issues and no true threat at TE. He's bandaged it for a long time, but its catching up to him as he gets older.

Rodgers has gotten great pass protection this year. Not good. Great.
he had an  
area junc : 10/17/2016 9:42 am : link
off year a couple years ago too didn't he?

Perhaps we can draw some parallels to our own situation, offensively. IIRC the Packers never had a really good OLine during his tenure. Rodgers was unstoppable when he had Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb and Jermichael Finley. He certainly looks different with average receivers.
RE: he had an  
Mr. Bungle : 10/17/2016 9:43 am : link
In comment 13177618 area junc said:
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off year a couple years ago too didn't he?

Perhaps we can draw some parallels to our own situation, offensively. IIRC the Packers never had a really good OLine during his tenure. Rodgers was unstoppable when he had Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb and Jermichael Finley. He certainly looks different with average receivers.

Yeah, he sure looks different with...Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb.
RE: Weak  
Jim in Fairfax : 10/17/2016 9:48 am : link
In comment 13177609 Motley Two said:
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Legs


Women.,.weaken..legs!!!


Rodgers has all day to throw the ball  
ZogZerg : 10/17/2016 9:48 am : link
Not sure what packers games some of you are watching.

It is really baffling as to what has happened to him and GB.
Girlfriend  
larryinnewhaven : 10/17/2016 9:49 am : link
http://imgur.com/B4AUxJw
Olivia - ( New Window )
RE: RE: same issues as Eli  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2016 9:50 am : link
In comment 13177614 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13177603 UConn4523 said:


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oline issues and no true threat at TE. He's bandaged it for a long time, but its catching up to him as he gets older.


Rodgers has gotten great pass protection this year. Not good. Great.


I've watch a few of their games. Seems like he's scrambling a lot still, maybe not as much as before, however. Could also be Cobb no longer as effective and Nelson still not 100% healthy.

I did not watch the Dallas game. They also played 2 teams this year with a pass rush, Minnesota and NYG. Vikings sacked him 5 times, and he's been sacked 4 times in his other games. WE haven't been getting home with sacks, so i'm not sure how much stock i put in our game.

In any case, there's a bunch of issues; some his own, and some his aging/depleting weapons.
Haha  
larryinnewhaven : 10/17/2016 9:50 am : link
Jim beat me to it same picture too
Sounds like someone has a case  
Deej : 10/17/2016 9:52 am : link
of the Munn-days
He's getting tons of time.  
Keith : 10/17/2016 9:54 am : link
I think it's a combination of things. Teams can focus on Jordy and not have to worry too much about the other guys as well as the running game which isn't good.

Rodgers seems to be sitting in the pocket for 10 seconds and he's able to scan the field and still not find someone.

It's also on him. He's not reading the field the same and his accuracy seems terrible so far.
He looked like hot dogshit yesterday  
jcn56 : 10/17/2016 9:54 am : link
There was one INT where he had plenty of time, open targets, and just hit a Cowboy right in the numbers. If I'm a GB fan I'm really worried about AR right now.
RE: Sounds like someone has a case  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/17/2016 9:54 am : link
In comment 13177648 Deej said:
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of the Munn-days


winner
RE: He looked like hot dogshit yesterday  
Big Blue '56 : 10/17/2016 9:57 am : link
In comment 13177655 jcn56 said:
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There was one INT where he had plenty of time, open targets, and just hit a Cowboy right in the numbers. If I'm a GB fan I'm really worried about AR right now.


Didn't you say virtually the same thing about Eli last week? I was surprised as it was uncharacteristic of you..😎
But AR has been mostly off imv for awhile now  
Big Blue '56 : 10/17/2016 9:57 am : link
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RE: What's Wrong With Aaron Rodgers  
Trainmaster : 10/17/2016 9:58 am : link
Bummer
he was awesome the first 1/3 of last year IIRC  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2016 10:00 am : link
and that was without Jordy Nelson. He definitely hit a wall last year and it seems to be almost a full season of games now.
he still makes absurd throws  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/17/2016 10:00 am : link
the TD he had earlier this year while falling down is still the best pass I've seen this year. Which leads me to believe it's not entirely physical.
do people just make shit up?  
giants#1 : 10/17/2016 10:04 am : link
Lacy's averaging >5 yards/att this year. He certainly hasn't been 'bad'.

And before this weekend, I believe PFF had the GB OL as the best pass blocking line in the league. From what I saw of yesterday's game, that certainly won't be changing. The GB OL is certainly not the issue this year.

On back-to-back plays yesterday, Rodgers threw low on 3rd to a wide open Montgomery(?), who managed to make the catch but due to the poor throw couldn't turn up field. 'Prime' Rodgers hits him in stride for 20+ yards there. Next throw, he had 5+ seconds to scan the field and then threw it right to Church for the easy INT.
Spoiled Packers fans going from 1 HoF QB  
Overseer : 10/17/2016 10:06 am : link
to another. They should have to endure a decade of misery once in a while like everyone else. Hopefully it's starting now.

I'm glad the Colts suck too.
RE: he still makes absurd throws  
giantsfan44ab : 10/17/2016 10:06 am : link
In comment 13177670 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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the TD he had earlier this year while falling down is still the best pass I've seen this year. Which leads me to believe it's not entirely physical.


He doesn't look any slower/weaker. It's just the decision making which has been questionable. He doesn't roll out when plays break down like he used to which was a huge part of how he got Cobb/Nelson in space. The play he threw a pick he could've easily rolled out for a few yards if he didn't find someone.

Also on the play where he fumbled on the goal line. He looked flustered and half heartedly ran straight and got hit which caused a fumble.

Really weird what's going on.
Also wondering if  
Big Blue '56 : 10/17/2016 10:09 am : link
last year's severe(?) calf injury which he gamely played on, ever fully healed..
RE: RE: he still makes absurd throws  
giants#1 : 10/17/2016 10:09 am : link
In comment 13177683 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13177670 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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the TD he had earlier this year while falling down is still the best pass I've seen this year. Which leads me to believe it's not entirely physical.



He doesn't look any slower/weaker. It's just the decision making which has been questionable. He doesn't roll out when plays break down like he used to which was a huge part of how he got Cobb/Nelson in space. The play he threw a pick he could've easily rolled out for a few yards if he didn't find someone.

Also on the play where he fumbled on the goal line. He looked flustered and half heartedly ran straight and got hit which caused a fumble.

Really weird what's going on.


The goalline play was just a bad play call and then a poor decision by AR. They clearly wanted to spread the Cowboys out and then run a QB draw, but Dallas didn't bite. Should've been audibled out of, or he should've just eaten it. Instead he tried to make something out of nothing.
If he would take off that discount doublecheck belt  
The Turk : 10/17/2016 10:13 am : link
he'd probably be better
that pic alone weakened my legs  
gtt350 : 10/17/2016 10:15 am : link
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Rodgers strength was always his quick decision making  
YAJ2112 : 10/17/2016 10:30 am : link
and his confidence in throwing a ball into traffic knowing he could put it in the right spot. He may have all day to throw now, but he's taking way too long to pull the trigger. He's lacking confidence/conviction with where he's throwing the ball.
RE: Spoiled Packers fans going from 1 HoF QB  
NINEster : 10/17/2016 10:33 am : link
In comment 13177682 Overseer said:
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to another. They should have to endure a decade of misery once in a while like everyone else. Hopefully it's starting now.

I'm glad the Colts suck too.


Couldn't agree more.
RE: and he has had  
rocco8112 : 10/17/2016 10:34 am : link
In comment 13177613 pjcas18 said:
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ALL DAY back there even against Dallas. He got pressured by the Vikings, but not the Giants or Dallas. yesterday i remember one sack, not sure if there were more, but so many plays he had so much time, maybe too much time if that's possible.


watched the whole game and I agree. Dallas was not putting big time pressure on him, and when they do, he is still great at using his mobility to move out of the pocket.

In my opinion , bad pass protection was not a huge factor in his performance yesterday.

As for Dallas, that oline might win them a title.
Olivia Munn is fairly routinely attractive  
Overseer : 10/17/2016 10:35 am : link
with marginal acting talent who is trying to be an A-lister. It ain't workin.
As stated above  
MetsAreBack : 10/17/2016 10:38 am : link
Rodgers has had perfectly fine OL protection so far.

He's in a bad slump - he missed Cobb for wide open TDs at least twice yesterday, three if you want to count the go-route he overthrew (though there was tight coverage on that play). And the pick and even fumble were ridiculous too. I'm sure he'll turn it around in the next week or two.
bummer  
spike : 10/17/2016 10:40 am : link
we will compete w them for the wc
I am loving every minute of it  
rocco8112 : 10/17/2016 10:49 am : link
Rodgers always seems so arrogant to me. I love watching him fail. As far as his calf injury, the way he was limping around and drawing so much attention to it during the playoffs that year annoyed me to no end. It is like built in excuse making.

I hope he continues to decline, and of course yesterday was one of the few times I would root for the guy, and he shits the bed against Dallas.

Dallas is looking pretty good on O that O line is scary. Their rookie QB and rookie RB are setting rookie records and a lot of it has to do with playing behind the best line in the league. That week one win is looking pretty good right now.
RE: Olivia Munn is fairly routinely attractive  
Deej : 10/17/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 13177764 Overseer said:
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with marginal acting talent who is trying to be an A-lister. It ain't workin.


Lol. "Fairly routinely attractive"
GB  
stretch234 : 10/17/2016 11:07 am : link
He still does have to scramble a lot. Their running game is OK at best.

Their bread and butter play was the slant to Nelson who would beat the CB and go the distance. He is not able to do that. Cobb is not the player they thought he was and the Adams can't catch. Don't think Rodgers even wants to throw to the TE.

Sometimes I think he just wants to make the prefect throw just to show he can
Nothing  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:12 am : link
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some guys don't dominate forever  
djm : 10/17/2016 11:13 am : link
Rodgers appears to be one those guys. HE was so good from 08-2014 or so but he definitely doesn't look the same lately. His surrounding talent isn't that bad. He's just not making the same insane plays as frequently. HE may need to adjust his game because it appears his talents have diminished.
RE: Nothing  
djm : 10/17/2016 11:17 am : link
In comment 13177898 KWALL2 said:
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You can't say that. HE was level 10 good for about 6-7 years. Now he's just good, maybe even very good, at times great, but he was ridiculously great all the time for a long time. Stats, eye test, wins and losses, they all point to a lesser player and there's no denying it.
Last year he had shit  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:19 am : link
Cobb isn't very good. He's an average player. Is Nelson the same player after the knee injury? He had one good game this year. Last 2 have been terrible with drops.

Nothing at TE.

Decent pass catcher in Starks out of the backfield but that's it and the guy is always banged up.

He doesn't have even one explosive player. Rodgers is not the problem. They will add some speed and a guy or 2 who can get open and he'll be back to MVP type numbers. It isn't over for him as an elite player. Not close. 5 more years at least.
...  
Overseer : 10/17/2016 11:20 am : link
In comment 13177821 Deej said:
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Lol. "Fairly routinely attractive"

Didn't mean that as a slight. Can't say I'm in the loop as far as America's B-listers, but my understanding was that her appeal was girl-next-door type. If you see knockout, to each his own...
Last year he was great  
KWALL2 : 10/17/2016 11:20 am : link
He's still the same player. Nothing has changed with his game. Same guy. Only problem is he doesn't have a matchup advantage at any position.
Good to see the same mentality that applies to Eli  
widmerseyebrow : 10/17/2016 11:21 am : link
applies to other great QBs. The wheels can fall off the car but there's always a group that wants to can the driver anyway.
not wishing ill will on AR...  
BillKo : 10/17/2016 11:25 am : link
but it was "good" to see another offense with a terrific QB getting booed at home.

Playing QB in the NFL is not easy.

I was at the game yesterday, and one thing I have started doing is reading the game threads because you miss things going on when there and don't have any commentary. I was amazed at the bashing of Eli on every pass that wasn't a positive. Equally, amazed at the people in the stands saying Eli is washed up, this and that......

You aren't going 25-30, where the 5 incompletes are drops.

There are going to be bad throws, reads, and errors.

RE: Last year he was great  
Giantology : 10/17/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 13177930 KWALL2 said:
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He's still the same player. Nothing has changed with his game. Same guy. Only problem is he doesn't have a matchup advantage at any position.


It's a matchup advantage problem now?

Then why is he missing badly on so many throws? He is putting balls in the dirt and forcing his receivers to adjust to balls thrown behind them. Sure, guys need to make plays, but he is missing throws that he has made countless times and is showing visible frustration at it.
the question is ..  
giantfan2000 : 10/17/2016 11:29 am : link

everyone in the league is questioning
what's wrong with Aaron Rodgers

the real question is

why is did the Giants lose to Green Bay
He is off a bit. so what  
AnnapolisMike : 10/17/2016 11:29 am : link
Maybe Dallas is really good?
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