I am sorry this is so long, and sorry to be starting another OBJ discussion. But my thoughts were too long to include in the existing posts.
Id be the first to say I am an unapologetic OBJ defender. That said. I think the criticism of some of his actions are warranted (the Panthers game from last year and some cheap shots observed this year. However due to the legitimate criticism he has received, the level of criticism of OBJ has reached an unreasonable level. I cite the following:
- The emotional meltdown during the Redskins game and hitting the net with his helmet. I understand that everyone wants to see the young man exercise complete composure at all times, but lets be fair. Plenty of players, including hall of fame players, got emotional on the sidelines in similar fashion. Its one thing to say he should stay composed, its another to label him as a distraction or a selfish player because of this particular behavior.
- His taunting penalty during the Vikings game. In addition to being a poor call by the official, OBJ had been hit late out of bounds, which was not called, and he was reacting to that hit. Also, I fail to see how that was taunting. OBJ was trying to get the officials attention, not going after the defensive player. He did try to exact a little revenge on the next play, which in my opinion should have been flagged.
- And yesterday. I know people are tired of the thing with the net, and I could do without it. But I think we have to accept that this is OBJs way of getting back at the critics for what he sees as some unfair scrutiny when you consider that plenty of players do the same things he does and dont receive the same treatment from the national sports media. I mean, he isnt the first or the last player to have an outburst on the sideline and use his equipment to express that frustration. As far as removing the helmet penalty, I would argue he had stepped out of the endzone and therefore was no longer in the field of play, but the rules are the rules. Not going to make excuses for him there. As far as the post TD sideline antics go, he just scored the game winning TD on 4th and 1, and took his chest thumping strutting celebration to the sideline (where it belongs) and kept it out of the endzone.
National media is acting like OBJ is the first skill player to celebrate loudly after big plays. Anyone notice this kind of thing has been going on for 30 years? Why is OBJ proposing to the net on the sideline somehow worse than Antonio Browns twerking in the endzone? My basic point is there are things we can and should be critical of OBJ for, and then there are other instances where we (fans and media) are far too critical. As much as you dont like the net stuff, doesnt it seem like the sports media is more outraged about it than OBJ teammates are?
Last night Rodney Harrison said OBJ had potential, ok Mr. Harrison, I think we are beyond potential at this point. And Tony Dungy, a man I respect, said OBJ has to stop hurting his team with penalties like removing his helmet after the TD. While I concede the act was a penalty, lets be fair. Did anyone catch Rob Gronkowskis actions yesterday? Now, to be honest, I love me some Gronk. He is a monster, plays like a bull in a china shop, seems to never take a play off, and is near impossible to stop. I would love to see him in NYG Blue. But, Gronk is a bit offmentally, and we all know this. We have accepted it. In fact, most of us love it, even when he is in the wrong.
Anyone remember his off the field antics and partying early in his career, when he explained to the New Patriot organization that his partying and blowing off steam helped him play better. And they said ok, just dont do anything to hurt the team. Anyone read Its Good to be Gronk. A book that details Gronks exploits in all facets of his life, some of which are not fit for young ears. Gronks antics are almost treated as humorous and loveable, his book was greated as fun and enjoyable. I have no problem with that. Gronk is a great player, he is who is, and is good for the game.
Yesterday during the Pats-Bengals game, Gronk repeatedly taunted the Bengals defense, including a player who got injured attempting to tackle the massive TE. For a while it looked like Gronk and Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict were going to fight. Gronk drew a 15 yard penalty, and later said he needed to avoid those types of penalties. I think we all understand things get heated and emotional on the football field, and players like Gronk and OBJ care about winning. Even when they are drawing attention to themselves they care about winning. What I dont understand, is why OBJs actions yesterday are a bigger media story than Gronks actions? Is it because Gronk is a Patriot and has a ring? Is it because half the reason people love Gronk is because he has developed a caveman like persona and lives up to it? Is it because the Patriots win more than the Giants? Do we have more respect for the 66 260lb TE who plays physical, than the 511 195lb WR who plays a finesse game.
Why is it nearly overlooked by national media when one taunts an injured player and almost gets in a fight, and we cant get enough of what are at worst silly sideline antics with a net and a foolish (but not malicious) removal of the helmet penalty after a game winning TD.
Im a Giants fan, so I am biased, but I really am curious why OBJ draws far more media attention than Cam Newtons pouty press conference, Browns lewd dancing in the endzone, or Gronk taunting an injured player and almost starting a brawl. Do I think OBJ is under an unfair spotlight? Yes I do. Do I think he helped put it there? Yes I do. Do I think other players are getting away with even worse behavior? Absolutely I do.
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However, I know that's asking a lot of some people. I play sports with guys in their 40s and 50s and they still act like 10 year olds when playing a sport. Some people just can't help themselves.
However, when it hurts the team is when a line has to be drawn. Go out there and strut your stuff in the end zone like OB's first TD. No problem. When you cost your team yardage in penalties then it becomes a problem.
The stuff with the kicking net is stupid and childish, but it's also harmless. As long as he doesn't cost his team I don't care if he takes the net our for drinks after the game.
Yesterday, he COST HIS TEAM 15 YARDS OF FIELD POSITION IN A 1 POSSESSION GAME WITH OVER A MINUTE LEFT, THEN MOUTHED ON THE SIDELINE "GO AHEAD AND FLAG ME"
How can you defend that as a fan of a team if you really care about them winning?
... but I believe a decent sized piece of it is pretty basic, and it's summed up in three words:
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Add to that the much ballyhoo'd dust-up(s) with Josh Norman last season, and it's what folks have come to expect, and what OBJ, on some level, continues to invite (see: his new, quite strange and immaturely ongoing relationship with the punting net as evidence of the odd attraction and curiosity that is the OBJ sideshow).
Yesterday, he COST HIS TEAM 15 YARDS OF FIELD POSITION IN A 1 POSSESSION GAME WITH OVER A MINUTE LEFT, THEN MOUTHED ON THE SIDELINE "GO AHEAD AND FLAG ME"
How can you defend that as a fan of a team if you really care about them winning?
i'll tell you my perspective. I was there...when he scored that td he could have punched you in the face and i would have thought he was fine. The guy won the game with a virtuoso performance after the league tried to take it away. Take that flag and put t behind some glass in the NY Giants hall of fame
Oh really? On the next play following the scoring sequence how many yards behind the normal kickoff spot was the ball placed when Josh Brown kicked off?
Must have missed it when they put the ball at the 28 yard line.
Gronk went on a party bus tour around the country a few years back, smashing things (spiking) at each stop he made. Can you imagine if Beckham did that this offseason?
I don't get the number of Giants fans pissed. About Carolina antics? Yes. This minor stuff? Seems silly. He is as good an offensive player as we've had, at least since Tiki in his prime, and the best WR I've seen us have in my 47 years. The fact that we don't have a better TE, run game, and OL is criminal as he dictates coverage. But I digress. He is young, getting way more scrutiny than most, and he's passionate. I think he'll mature some, and make more mistakes too.
The upside, is that if he tones it down a bit, and the scrutiny comes off and he doesn't get called for every action real and imagined, the media will complete the third prescribed narrative -- redemption, in which our failed hero has seen the error of his ways, and matured. Even better if they can say "into a leader." Let's hope it goes that way and not the other which is "weirdo." I think he'll be fine, if not fined.
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He cost the team SEVEN yards of fields of position in a one possession game. How can any fan who cares about winning scream about something and get it totally wrong.
Oh really? On the next play following the scoring sequence how many yards behind the normal kickoff spot was the ball placed when Josh Brown kicked off?
Must have missed it when they put the ball at the 28 yard line.
Who had more yards taken away....OBJ? Or the pass interference calls that must have totalled 100 yards.
Also, it cost the Ravens 5 or so seconds of valuable clock time. If the Giants couldn't keep the Ravens from covering 68 yards I doubt they could have kept them from covering 75. This is such a non issue.
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He cost the team SEVEN yards of fields of position in a one possession game. How can any fan who cares about winning scream about something and get it totally wrong.
Oh really? On the next play following the scoring sequence how many yards behind the normal kickoff spot was the ball placed when Josh Brown kicked off?
Must have missed it when they put the ball at the 28 yard line.
and if Brown booms it into the end zone as he was doing all day, the Ravens would have started at the 25. The returner was tackled at the 32 yard line.
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cares about the net thing, other than we think it is stupid. In the end if that was the extent of it nobody would give 2 craps.
Yesterday, he COST HIS TEAM 15 YARDS OF FIELD POSITION IN A 1 POSSESSION GAME WITH OVER A MINUTE LEFT, THEN MOUTHED ON THE SIDELINE "GO AHEAD AND FLAG ME"
How can you defend that as a fan of a team if you really care about them winning?
i'll tell you my perspective. I was there...when he scored that td he could have punched you in the face and i would have thought he was fine. The guy won the game with a virtuoso performance after the league tried to take it away. Take that flag and put t behind some glass in the NY Giants hall of fame
You are completely missing the point. Like it's so far over your head that it has made it's way over the bridge from Astoria to Washington Heights.
It's not about yesterday- it's about NEXT week, when we play the FIRST team with the same head coach that figured out the "Mess with Beckham's head" strategy that a lot of teams use now.
Can he control himself in a big spot and not cost his team the game? It's crazy that the needle is pointing to no at this point.
You want to apologize for him but he's an adult playing a game for which he is well compensated and he doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything but himself. FACT
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He cost the team SEVEN yards of fields of position in a one possession game. How can any fan who cares about winning scream about something and get it totally wrong.
Oh really? On the next play following the scoring sequence how many yards behind the normal kickoff spot was the ball placed when Josh Brown kicked off?
Must have missed it when they put the ball at the 28 yard line.
and if Brown booms it into the end zone as he was doing all day, the Ravens would have started at the 25. The returner was tackled at the 32 yard line.
And if Brown kicks it high from the 25 to the goal line the runner may have been tackled at the 10. You can if and but it all day but use the only constant in the equation.
Beckham penalty = 15 yards of guaranteed field position loss. That isn't speculative.
Many of those penalties are coming from his teammates and coaches.
Sorry but I still don't understand how one can get an illegal formation penalty. That is a function of coaching or perhaps coaches who aren't familiar with changes in rules. On a couple of those penalty calls McAdoo seemed just as confused to the penalty as everyone else. I hope some one got an explanation so they can change those formations in practice.
Gronk may have off the field issues but on the field he hasn't done anything similar to Beckham. His shot on Norman was sick. BTW, you missed the punch to the head by Beckham after the Bills INT last year.
No double standard because nobody else is acting like Beckham.
Earlier this year, Fitz was body slammed after the whistle. No flag. He got up. Looked for a flag. Shook his head. Went back to the huddle. If that's Beckham he's crying and throwing punches.
Every Brown kickoff yesterday resulted in a touchback.
Gronk may have off the field issues but on the field he hasn't done anything similar to Beckham. His shot on Norman was sick. BTW, you missed the punch to the head by Beckham after the Bills INT last year.
No double standard because nobody else is acting like Beckham.
Earlier this year, Fitz was body slammed after the whistle. No flag. He got up. Looked for a flag. Shook his head. Went back to the huddle. If that's Beckham he's crying and throwing punches.
Well Norman did pick him up and basically carry him 5 yards in that game a few weeks back and Beckham did nothing, so there's that. Its fine if you don't like how he behaves, but lets not act like its some automatic thing that he's going to do. The guy gets targeted more than anyone and based on your metrics, he should be blowing up a lot more than he has.
He's got a target on him now. He has to mature enough to stay in control, especially when opponents will now try to get under his skin.
But to be fair, the skins game flag was bs, and taking the helmet off wasn't really malicious. I was surprised at the flag since he was basically off the field, but they'are watching him closely now.
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Otherwise, when you have a platinum player like a Randy Moss, Dez Bryant and yes, Terrell Owens, you leave them alone to be great. You put up with anything (short of hurting the team) and let them be who they were gifted to be
Many of those penalties are coming from his teammates and coaches.
Sorry but I still don't understand how one can get an illegal formation penalty. That is a function of coaching or perhaps coaches who aren't familiar with changes in rules. On a couple of those penalty calls McAdoo seemed just as confused to the penalty as everyone else. I hope some one got an explanation so they can change those formations in practice.
Should have been clearer..Referring to the unnecessary ones like unsportsmanlike conduct(not yesterdays after his GW TD) and the like..
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He cost the team SEVEN yards of fields of position in a one possession game. How can any fan who cares about winning scream about something and get it totally wrong.
Oh really? On the next play following the scoring sequence how many yards behind the normal kickoff spot was the ball placed when Josh Brown kicked off?
Must have missed it when they put the ball at the 28 yard line.
Baltimore took over at the 32. A touchback puts them at the 25. That's seven yards. Unless you'd prefer to not compare to a touchback, in which case you can't really determine what he cost them, but since the KR caught the ball at the 6, there's not a lot of potential yards to claim that he ultimately cost them.
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He cost the team SEVEN yards of fields of position in a one possession game. How can any fan who cares about winning scream about something and get it totally wrong.
In the Skins/Eagles game, Vernon Davis got an excessive celebration penalty. Eagles returned the kickoff for a TD.
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He's a great player. You put up with it and ty and talk him out of the BS. That's all you can do. But his act makes him look like a chump like the crying about the Min hit. That was nothing. It didn't warrant any reaction. But he hasn't figured it out.
He's a great player. You put up with it and ty and talk him out of the BS. That's all you can do. But his act makes him look like a chump like the crying about the Min hit. That was nothing. It didn't warrant any reaction. But he hasn't figured it out.
Yes, wouldn't he be blowing up even more if he did every time something went south? Its also really easy for us to say that the Vikings hit was nothing. Instant replay is awesome that way.
There is no defense for the reaction to that Vikings play. He was out of line. End of story.
I happen to think that in the heat of competition, you may think something happened where you need to stand up for yourself. Fans aren't privy to what's said on the field either but they will sure as hell act like they do. I've stated repeatedly that Beckham needs to reel it in and he's shown he's capable. Not sure what else to tell you other than you are coming to a conclusion with incomplete information. Shocking.
End of story.
Fans want to neuter this guy. Your QB will never get in people's face no matter how bad it gets, the offense is bland and uncreative. In the middle of a 3 game losing streak you have one guy bringing the fire who single handedly won the game for us and people are bitching about it.
A lot of people associated with this team are only in the positions they're in right now because if Odell.
He's a great player. You put up with it and ty and talk him out of the BS. That's all you can do. But his act makes him look like a chump like the crying about the Min hit. That was nothing. It didn't warrant any reaction. But he hasn't figured it out.
The only thing making him look like his chump was the bad QB play he as getting. I just happy the light went on for Eli in the 2nd half.
Last week, a WR started trading blows with a DB and they made light of the situation. There wasn't some faux outrage or calls for the guy to be suspended.
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Watch it in real speed and hes barely out of bounds. And a guy hits him. Was he hit too hard? Is that the problem?
There is no defense for the reaction to that Vikings play. He was out of line. End of story.
They showed the play on the NFL Network and freeze-framed it when the flag came in. The three refs within 5 yards of Beckham didn't throw a flag. You know who did? The back judge from 25 yards away.
All of the studio guys asked how that ref could possibly call taunting from that distance and angle while the guys standing right there didn't.
Thanks BB56. I rambled a bit, but had a lot to get out. Above all I really wish we could focus on the football and enjoy the team. Season is too short.
I do. Last I knew he still enjoyed a good reputation, despite sticking his neck out for Michael Vick.
Last week, a WR started trading blows with a DB and they made light of the situation. There wasn't some faux outrage or calls for the guy to be suspended.
Thank you, this is exactly what I am talking about.
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Thanks BB56. I rambled a bit, but had a lot to get out. Above all I really wish we could focus on the football and enjoy the team. Season is too short.
I will have an even greater week with this win..The Giants are flawed, sure, but who in this league isn't at this point? The Patriots keep rolling along and the Cowboys have played beyond expectations. To date..And the Panthers are 1-5? Really?
Yesterday, he COST HIS TEAM 15 YARDS OF FIELD POSITION IN A 1 POSSESSION GAME WITH OVER A MINUTE LEFT, THEN MOUTHED ON THE SIDELINE "GO AHEAD AND FLAG ME"
How can you defend that as a fan of a team if you really care about them winning?
Did NOT see that, but nothing he ever says about how he is a team first guy can ever negate that incident where he nearly costed the team a win.
Doesnt mean he isnt awesome at football but I can't fathom how anybody wouldnt prefer Odell to not propose to kicking nets after he scores a touchdown. It's corny, lame, and I'm sure it makes John Mara cringe. I know I do.
Agreed. People are trying really hard to be so right about this topic that its hilarious. The reality is we have a player who needs to continue to mature, and a league that needs to do a better job enforcing its own rules. I stopped taking the league seriously years ago and all they've done since is affirm my stance.
Doesnt mean he isnt awesome at football but I can't fathom how anybody wouldnt prefer Odell to not propose to kicking nets after he scores a touchdown. It's corny, lame, and I'm sure it makes John Mara cringe. I know I do.
I squirmed when a seasoned all-pro and future HOFer in Strahan would do that ballin' crap..But, this is what they do nowadays to varying degrees..It's silly, but I'm old school in that regard..
Doesnt mean he isnt awesome at football but I can't fathom how anybody wouldnt prefer Odell to not propose to kicking nets after he scores a touchdown. It's corny, lame, and I'm sure it makes John Mara cringe. I know I do.
I know plenty of people under 25, who are pretty fucking awesome and plenty more over 25, who are assholes (including myself). Not sure why age thing is even relevant.
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Beckham has looked like an asshole this year then you're probably an asshole or under the age of 25.
Doesnt mean he isnt awesome at football but I can't fathom how anybody wouldnt prefer Odell to not propose to kicking nets after he scores a touchdown. It's corny, lame, and I'm sure it makes John Mara cringe. I know I do.
I squirmed when a seasoned all-pro and future HOFer in Strahan would do that ballin' crap..But, this is what they do nowadays to varying degrees..It's silly, but I'm old school in that regard..
It's entertainment. Why don't people understand that?
Some fans think Giants football is life, and that's rather sad. However, most players see this as jobs that pay them a lot. Yes, they enjoy it and have fun playing it...hence some of the silliness.
All for a little bump out of bounds.
Uconn...You can go on an on about what may have been said. It means nothing. Lot of things are said. If hes getting upset about talk he's got more problems.
He got bumped out of bounds and, once again, overreacted. There is no defense for it including what may have been said.
And it continued after that. The next play on the same sideline, hes out of bounds and then takes a few steps to run over the defender. More unnecessary BS. But maybe he said something about his mother? Is that it?
All for a little bump out of bounds.
Uconn...You can go on an on about what may have been said. It means nothing. Lot of things are said. If hes getting upset about talk he's got more problems.
He got bumped out of bounds and, once again, overreacted. There is no defense for it including what may have been said.
And it continued after that. The next play on the same sideline, hes out of bounds and then takes a few steps to run over the defender. More unnecessary BS. But maybe he said something about his mother? Is that it?
Understand where you're coming from..I'm guessing you wanted someone else in the draft at 12? 😎
How can you defend that as a fan of a team if you really care about them winning?
Well, you don't know what was said.
The NFL is slowly draining the league of any fun. Celebrating a big play has always been a part of the league, and they're trying to turn it into a thing of the past piece by piece. Instead of letting them play, it's turning into basketball where the wrong look at an official results in a technical foul.
Francesa is on a tear today about how OBJ hurt his team, and they should amend the rules to be pre-play, not post play. So now an entire team should execute a good play, and because a guy who's going to get mowed down by defensive players for catching a ball gets fired up, the entire play should be negated?
It's turning into a robot league, bring on the damn robots already.
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He cost the team SEVEN yards of fields of position in a one possession game. How can any fan who cares about winning scream about something and get it totally wrong.
Oh really? On the next play following the scoring sequence how many yards behind the normal kickoff spot was the ball placed when Josh Brown kicked off?
Must have missed it when they put the ball at the 28 yard line.
Don't be thick. He's saying the Ravens started at the 32 instead of the 25...
Yeah, but so were Moss and Owens and now Dez..I look past it. I have to..It's not what I grew up with..Unless he hurts us, all I care about os production..Screw the rest
Then let him melt down. Seriously - these guys are hitting each other at full speed, and they need referees to exhibit discretion on when they're being mean to one another? C'mon.
He needs to clean up with the penalties. Stop that BS. Its not hard to follow the rules. Hopefully, he cleans this up and keeps scoring TDs.
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Players like Beckham need taunting penalties. If guys could taunt him he would meltdown. He couldn't handle it.
Then let him melt down. Seriously - these guys are hitting each other at full speed, and they need referees to exhibit discretion on when they're being mean to one another? C'mon.
Yup..He's one guy who I am NOT going to get worked up over unless he costs us a game..
He needs to clean up with the penalties. Stop that BS. Its not hard to follow the rules. Hopefully, he cleans this up and keeps scoring TDs.
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That's the point of my post above, he is being taunted. He was taunted for a full game by Norman last year and unless you are completely oblivious, you see jarring from other CB's this year.
Taunting - "provoke or challenge (someone) with insulting remarks."
It's likely that part of what makes him who he is also makes him subject to those shortcomings, so it'll probably be a longer term task of trying to get him to adjust his behavior without losing his confidence.
Yeah, but so were Moss and Owens and now Dez..I look past it. I have to..It's not what I grew up with..Unless he hurts us, all I care about os production..Screw the rest
Unless he hurts them? What do you call 15 yard penalties? What do you call getting yourself suspended for a game so you can't help your team win? An ongoing saga with a fucking net? Gimme a break.
Also, where's the guarantee or even likelihood that this doesn't become the norm or, worse, continue to escalate?
Just like he was vs Buffalo. He was provoked to throw the punch. Again, the victim of taunting.
Funny, how you say we don't know whats being said but your sure he was taunted for an entire game by Norman and by other CBs.
You tell him to dial it down and you don't have the same player anymore. You just don't. It's not so easy to turn that kind of intensity off like a switch once the play is over. It's just not.
The fact that he plays like a maniac is part of what makes him a great player. So I think the best thing to do is try to get him to temper it down when he can but mostly just live with it....cause I think the only alternative is to get a lesser version of OBJ.
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Yeah, but so were Moss and Owens and now Dez..I look past it. I have to..It's not what I grew up with..Unless he hurts us, all I care about os production..Screw the rest
Unless he hurts them? What do you call 15 yard penalties? What do you call getting yourself suspended for a game so you can't help your team win? An ongoing saga with a fucking net? Gimme a break.
Also, where's the guarantee or even likelihood that this doesn't become the norm or, worse, continue to escalate?
I said unless he hurts them..He needs to cut out drive-killing penalties..The unacceptable behavior is a given..
Maybe next time it will and the only value to his 200 yard game will be on your fantasy team...
As usual, Beckham apologists will say it's ok because he plays with "passion and fire"
You articulated much better than I could my point.
Just like he was vs Buffalo. He was provoked to throw the punch. Again, the victim of taunting.
Funny, how you say we don't know whats being said but your sure he was taunted for an entire game by Norman and by other CBs.
He was taunted by Norman, its a fact. He was also taunted by the Rams and then some last year, also fact. Unless of course you think they were exchanging dinner plans.
I'm being facetious with "all game".
As for the Vikings game, he didn't really do anything. He got flagged for it, but its a very borderline call. So is that the basis for your argument?
We all agree he's done dumb shit but this notion that some people have of him being out of control, mentally unstable, blah blah is ridiculous.
I don't think they would. I think people would instead blame the ref for throwing the flag. Or they would just write it off as part of the cost of having such a great player, as though his powers to play football resides in whatever place it is that also makes him commit personal fouls.
You think every player in the NFL plays with the same level of intensity? Really?
You guys have an agenda. Either you don't like OBJ or you don't like the new NFL. All this talk of how OBJ could have cost us the game.
Two things.
1. He just had two plays for two tds. 75 yards and 65 yards. Who wouldn't celebrate? Some would say he won the game.
2. His fumble did more to hurt the Giants chances of winning then the penalty.
If the topic is he almost cost us the game, why hasn't that been mentioned?
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tons of players across all of sports have passion. Some don't need to express it (Eli) and some do (Beckham). I think its a bogus argument.
You think every player in the NFL plays with the same level of intensity? Really?
That isn't even close to what I said. I said you can be passionate about the game and not be theatrical, and gave two examples.
Since you brought it up, is Eli and less intense than Beckham?
Nope, never claimed that. I've actually stated several times in this thread and others that Beckham is responsible for most of this.
I'm not saying he doesn't need to grow up some. We all know he does. It's called becoming mature. He bound to have his ups and downs and the wtfs.. but damnit when he is on I can forgive him the times he messes up,because at least you know he is out there trying every game. It giving up in the middle of a play or not wanting to get hurt on another.
He looks like an asshole because he acts like an asshole. Because he is such a great player his behavior is tolerated. With each idiotic display he makes himself more of a target
I think he has to fuck Lena Dunham.
The last one that drew the foul- it was obvious that he was trying to avoid a foul and did NOT celebrate on the field--- unfortunately he took his Helmet off about 5 feet too soon.
This was not some absurd behavior distracting the team ( like the Viking game)
People cry and whine about ESPN and the media and then eat up the shit and narrative that they promote.
The last 2 games has shown a les volatile player waking up to his issues a bit.
the crying about this is pathetic this game
You guys have an agenda. Either you don't like OBJ or you don't like the new NFL. All this talk of how OBJ could have cost us the game.
Two things.
1. He just had two plays for two tds. 75 yards and 65 yards. Who wouldn't celebrate? Some would say he won the game.
2. His fumble did more to hurt the Giants chances of winning then the penalty.
If the topic is he almost cost us the game, why hasn't that been mentioned?
Because the fumble is a physical mistake, and we can all live with a mistake. 15 yard penalties every week are a mental issue.
Let me toss this back at you:
When DaMontre Moore got 15 yard penalties in 3 straight games why was he public enemy #1 around here but now it's not ok to criticize Beckham and demand accountability for the same thing?
I think he has to fuck Lena Dunham.
At the 50 at halftime in London underneath the kicking net.
Look at that immature "look at me" attitude in his eyes.
Have people never watched a baseball game and seen what players do to water coolers, sunflower seeds, bullpen phones, etc. when they strike out? I never hear those guys' commitments to their teams questioned.
Beckham is one of the most important and valuable players on the team. Any struggles the team has is not because of him. He does nothing but make our team and team culture better because of how hard he strives for greatness. Has there ever been a report of him not showing up for meetings, practice, training sessions? Have there been any reports or rumors of him dogging it or creating drama during training camps or practices?
No. Although one time he lost complete control of his emotions, launched himself helmet first at another player's head (potentially seriously injuring them both) and got himself suspended for a game. Luckily that game was largely unimportant so his absence only minimally hurt his teammates.
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Beckham has looked like an asshole this year then you're probably an asshole or under the age of 25.
Doesnt mean he isnt awesome at football but I can't fathom how anybody wouldnt prefer Odell to not propose to kicking nets after he scores a touchdown. It's corny, lame, and I'm sure it makes John Mara cringe. I know I do.
I know plenty of people under 25, who are pretty fucking awesome and plenty more over 25, who are assholes (including myself). Not sure why age thing is even relevant.
The age thing is relevant b/c the 25 and under crew doesn't seem to have enough experience to differentiate between right and wrong or funny and outright stupid. Heck, writing a resume or speaking on the phone is a reach.
Wrong - he's being ridiculed b/c of the flag which was the first act of his look at me show with no clue/care he was flagged which could have cost the team a win and maybe a playoff spot down the road.
Just wait until the Ram game this week.
Look at that immature "look at me" attitude in his eyes.
You honestly can't tell the difference. I feel sorry for you. Those long novels you write at 3am in Rangers threads i thought summed you up. I was wrong. This one does. You can't tell the difference between the game, pregame and who knows what else.
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Players like Beckham need taunting penalties. If guys could taunt him he would meltdown. He couldn't handle it.
This shit started with Jeff Fischer ....
What did Odell do that you consider a Taunt ...?
This game cannot be controlled by Piss Poor Calls and
taking Emotion out of the game .
Its a God Damn Game not a 3rd Rieck Army Drill
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and people bitch about the celebration penalty because that could have cost us the game.
You guys have an agenda. Either you don't like OBJ or you don't like the new NFL. All this talk of how OBJ could have cost us the game.
Two things.
1. He just had two plays for two tds. 75 yards and 65 yards. Who wouldn't celebrate? Some would say he won the game.
2. His fumble did more to hurt the Giants chances of winning then the penalty.
If the topic is he almost cost us the game, why hasn't that been mentioned?
Because the fumble is a physical mistake, and we can all live with a mistake. 15 yard penalties every week are a mental issue.
Let me toss this back at you:
When DaMontre Moore got 15 yard penalties in 3 straight games why was he public enemy #1 around here but now it's not ok to criticize Beckham and demand accountability for the same thing?
If DaMontre Moore was an all pro talent and the only thing separating this team team from 4-12 garbage, he would have gotten more rope too.
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and people bitch about the celebration penalty because that could have cost us the game.
You guys have an agenda. Either you don't like OBJ or you don't like the new NFL. All this talk of how OBJ could have cost us the game.
Two things.
1. He just had two plays for two tds. 75 yards and 65 yards. Who wouldn't celebrate? Some would say he won the game.
2. His fumble did more to hurt the Giants chances of winning then the penalty.
If the topic is he almost cost us the game, why hasn't that been mentioned?
Because the fumble is a physical mistake, and we can all live with a mistake. 15 yard penalties every week are a mental issue.
Let me toss this back at you:
When DaMontre Moore got 15 yard penalties in 3 straight games why was he public enemy #1 around here but now it's not ok to criticize Beckham and demand accountability for the same thing?
If DaMontre Moore was an all pro talent and the only thing separating this team team from 4-12 garbage, he would have gotten more rope too.
And thereun lies the problem that beckham has created for the Giants.
They can't discipline or reduce his playing time because of his insane level of talent.
This is why he is not and has never been a team guy. He could have easily put this all behind him after the mistake of the panthers game. To him it is not a problem.
That is why i am pissed. Grow up and act like the other 1500 adults in the league.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
He's aggressive on some blocks. On occasion hits late. Hit high. Throws punches. In the Bills game he went after a few DBs and hit them late on running plays. Then on a pick they knock him on his ass with a clean block. His reaction? Punch the guy in the head after the whistle and run away.
He's not the victim of taunting. He brought it on. If you do that you should be able to handle the talk back.
I don't care if a guy talks after a play. But he can't handle it when teams go back at him verbally or physically.
This LT talk is hilarious here. LT didn't meltdown. He didn't care if somebody would talk back did he? He played his ass off without looking like a fool.
People not liking he Beckham act doesn't mean they didn't love LTs act because it wasn't the same.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
You remember that 4 game stretch that LT missed that the Giants went 2-2 in? Guess what, that's worse than a 15 yard penalty.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
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Those making the connection aren't smart enough to recognize failure staring them in the face
Ok.
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Seen it a few times.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
You remember that 4 game stretch that LT missed that the Giants went 2-2 in? Guess what, that's worse than a 15 yard penalty.
Now the GOAT is being ridiculed by these dopes.
Ok.
Stick the four game suspension you know where. OBJ's resume isn't even in the same sentence with what Taylor achieved.
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Was now if we have a problem with Beckhams BS we must have a problem with any plays who gets a 4 game suspension?
Ok.
Stick the four game suspension you know where. OBJ's resume isn't even in the same sentence with what Taylor achieved.
Sry, misread :)
Neg: had an unsportsmanlike penalty after a game tying TD after he won the game for us
The talk should be 80/20 positive. The talk is actually 80/20 negative
he WON US THE FUCKING GAME BY CARRYING US ON HIS BACK. That's a fact and reality, it happened.
Yet people are more concerned about him potentially costing us a better chance at winning the game.
A lot of fucking fools who care about bs than reality. He needs to grow up and get more mature, everyone here knows that. But the disproportionate amount of talk on the negative about yesterday's performance is simply pathetic. He had a legendary 2nd half.
So did most of the league and a legend named Mark Messier. Think steroids weren't used either? How about you annoint OBJ the GOAT and discredit everybody else. We'll pass out warm blankets for the OBJ needs a hug crew. So soft
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Was now if we have a problem with Beckhams BS we must have a problem with any plays who gets a 4 game suspension?
Ok.
Stick the four game suspension you know where. OBJ's resume isn't even in the same sentence with what Taylor achieved.
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Was now if we have a problem with Beckhams BS we must have a problem with any plays who gets a 4 game suspension?
Ok.
Stick the four game suspension you know where. OBJ's resume isn't even in the same sentence with what Taylor achieved.
on one hand, you dismiss LT hurting the team because of his ability and performance. On the other you rush to ignore Beckham''s ability and performance to light the pyre over perceived transgressions. Same thing, different outcome.
Wrong - apparently you really can't figure out why it makes no sense, none, to compare the GOAT to a 3rd year player. Some believe he's not even the best receiver in the league and yet some want to bring up Taylor lol. Good lord, how ridiculous.
Never heard any NY player be spoken about like this. None
Not to mention, perhaps the quietest and more successful NY players not named Jeter, speaks out for one of the few times since 2004 and the 2nd time this year about OBJ.
Gee, maybe the world should remind Eli of LawrenceTaylor lol. Even Tiki Barber wouldn't say something so stupid
Nice dupe account and your first post. Lol - good lord
So when a young talented WR made "the catch" and overnight became the most talked about WR in the game and the catch was called by many the greatest catch in the history of the NFL many people became jealous and envious of the attention Odell received and as a result were quick to pounce on him when the opportunity presented itself hoping to take him down a notch or two.
Odell is amazing, he's already untouchable when he's on and he still has another level (the always level).
Norman got in his head, well guess what? Odell has absolutely dominated him. If that sick spin move play he had on Norman would've been a TD, that highlight would've been so much bigger than it was. It still led to a TD. Sherman fears Odell more than anyone else in the league. Odell burned him their first meeting and he's even better now. Rhodes somehow being A shutdown CB because he "stopped" Odell is cute. Butler is the only guy I've seen truly win a battle wit Odell (buffalo bills secondary as a whole stopped him) and Odell still dropped 100 and a TD on him.
33 games. 28 tds. 100+ yards per game. Just dropped 200 receiving yards in the second half and had the last minute game winner to keep our season alive. First instant monster NFL WR since Moss.
And we're focusing on the negatives. He's a diva and yes, if he concentrated his rage better he could be even more dominant than he already is. But he's already historic and everyone knows it, including him. He's been a diva and I hope he grows up, but he's just so damn good and I've enjoyed rooting for his unique madness.
Comparing him to Toomer isn't any less ridiculous, considering that Amani was never in the conversation for best WR in the sport a single day of his life.
Since week 5 of the 2014 season (the week of his debut), Beckham has at least 5 more offensive TDs than EVERY other non-QB in the sport. Trying to pretend Beckham isn't already one of the best players in the sport regardless of position doesn't help whatever point you're trying to make at all.
You don't like his behavior? Fine... say that, but there's no "BS hype". He's a generational talent.
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Or has the BS hype actually convinced some he's the LT of the offense lol? He's not even considered the best WR by some let alone the greatest offensive player of all time. Ridiculous, not hypocrisy.
Comparing him to Toomer isn't any less ridiculous, considering that Amani was never in the conversation for best WR in the sport a single day of his life.
Since week 5 of the 2014 season (the week of his debut), Beckham has at least 5 more offensive TDs than EVERY other non-QB in the sport. Trying to pretend Beckham isn't already one of the best players in the sport regardless of position doesn't help whatever point you're trying to make at all.
You don't like his behavior? Fine... say that, but there's no "BS hype". He's a generational talent.
Just be quiet. Some don't believe he's as good as Antonio Brown. Nobody thought anybody was better than Taylor and LT never pulled this nonsense in the field.
Antonio Brown mimics having sex in the endzone, wears cleats to "honor" people, participated in Dancing with the Stars. People would fucking kill on Odell for wearing Arnold Palmer cleats, claiming it was disrespectful and "look at me".
Have people never watched a baseball game and seen what players do to water coolers, sunflower seeds, bullpen phones, etc. when they strike out? I never hear those guys' commitments to their teams questioned.
Beckham is one of the most important and valuable players on the team. Any struggles the team has is not because of him. He does nothing but make our team and team culture better because of how hard he strives for greatness. Has there ever been a report of him not showing up for meetings, practice, training sessions? Have there been any reports or rumors of him dogging it or creating drama during training camps or practices?
When he lost his mind during the Skins game, Eli had to take ten minutes to calm him down. His lack of composure permeated thru the team in that game. The center got kicked out defending the honor of OBJ. The whole team lost their composure during that game and like it or not Odell is our team's identity. The 4th most penalty yards in the league and can't stay focused for 4 quarters. That's the Giant's MO at this point in the season.
What should we do?
Let's pound on him day and night about his behavior and how terrible he is. After all we are Giants fans, we expect better.
Or
Admit he was stupid and did stupid things and move on. Lets see how he handles himself through the season. Be a little supportive while acknowledging his faults. After all, we are Giants fans and should act like it.
I read some of the stuff on this board and can't help thinking that Eric and the moderators should give penalties for bad behavior. These should be tracked and available for all to see.
And OBJ isn't the only one getting stupid penalties - there are enough to go around. Now that everyone knows how the refs will call penalties, especially just about ANYTHING post-touchdown, all players need to make a concerted effort to get out of the end zone and celebrate on the sideline, plain and simple.
It was NEVER an issue on the field. He had off the field issues? Plenty do. On the field he wasn't a head case or problem.
Just be quiet. Some don't believe he's as good as Antonio Brown. Nobody thought anybody was better than Taylor and LT never pulled this nonsense in the field.
You're a clown.
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that he proposed to the kicking net? ?
Wrong - he's being ridiculed b/c of the flag which was the first act of his look at me show with no clue/care he was flagged which could have cost the team a win and maybe a playoff spot down the road.
Just wait until the Ram game this week.
So you're saying that there aren't people all over BBI making a fuss about him and the net? Which threads are you reading, because I'm seeing it in every Beckham thread.
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that he proposed to the kicking net? He was having some fun after getting torched in the media for hitting it a couple of weeks ago. If anything, the jokes with the kicking net indicates a bit of remorse on his part.
Have people never watched a baseball game and seen what players do to water coolers, sunflower seeds, bullpen phones, etc. when they strike out? I never hear those guys' commitments to their teams questioned.
Beckham is one of the most important and valuable players on the team. Any struggles the team has is not because of him. He does nothing but make our team and team culture better because of how hard he strives for greatness. Has there ever been a report of him not showing up for meetings, practice, training sessions? Have there been any reports or rumors of him dogging it or creating drama during training camps or practices?
When he lost his mind during the Skins game, Eli had to take ten minutes to calm him down. His lack of composure permeated thru the team in that game. The center got kicked out defending the honor of OBJ. The whole team lost their composure during that game and like it or not Odell is our team's identity. The 4th most penalty yards in the league and can't stay focused for 4 quarters. That's the Giant's MO at this point in the season.
Some serious confirmation bias showing up here. Eli had to calm down Beckham for ten minutes? Do you have a complaint from the coaching staff or Eli about that, or are you only basing it on the fact that they were talking on the sidelines? He should talk to Beckham-- it's the biggest weapon on the team and they needed to figure out what to do to get back to the superstar production they expect.
His lack of composure permeated through the team? How so? This team has been committing penalties all season-- Richburg was ejected because Richburg lost his cool. Blaming that on Beckham is absurd.
Overall, fans have a bad tendency of trying to fit their own narratives. A team has a fiery player and wins? They won because of the fire and passion of that player. The team loses? That player lost his cool and made it all about himself and was a distraction.
Same thing with Eli. When the team wins, it's his unshakable demeanor and calmness that kept the team cool under pressure. When the team loses, he's not a "leader," and shows no passion or sense of urgency.
If Odell Beckham's energy and sideline antics are the reasons why Trevin Wade can't cover, or why our defensive line can't get to the quarterback, or why we can't run the ball, or why Larry Donnell thinks he's doing parkour, then the team has far, FAR bigger problems to worry about.
Yes, Richburg has to be responsible for his own actions, but he was ejected for hitting Norman late and taunting him. In Beckham/Norman round two.
We need OBJ to be a leader, that's all. We are only going to go as far as he takes us. The team feeds off his emotion whether positive or negative. He needs to be cognizant of that.
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Just be quiet. Some don't believe he's as good as Antonio Brown. Nobody thought anybody was better than Taylor and LT never pulled this nonsense in the field.
You're a clown.
Lol - having a Beckham i see. Need a hug before a kicking net crashing into your fragile psyche?
Kid had to keep on his helmet which is a penalty. Apparently you're too dumb to figure it out just as you're to lost realize Taylor never pulled this baby nonsense on the football field
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that he proposed to the kicking net? ?
Wrong - he's being ridiculed b/c of the flag which was the first act of his look at me show with no clue/care he was flagged which could have cost the team a win and maybe a playoff spot down the road.
Just wait until the Ram game this week.
So you're saying that there aren't people all over BBI making a fuss about him and the net? Which threads are you reading, because I'm seeing it in every Beckham thread.
Apparently you still miss the ones about the flag b/c you're still posting about the net.
Odell is amazing, he's already untouchable when he's on and he still has another level (the always level).
Norman got in his head, well guess what? Odell has absolutely dominated him. If that sick spin move play he had on Norman would've been a TD, that highlight would've been so much bigger than it was. It still led to a TD. Sherman fears Odell more than anyone else in the league. Odell burned him their first meeting and he's even better now. Rhodes somehow being A shutdown CB because he "stopped" Odell is cute. Butler is the only guy I've seen truly win a battle wit Odell (buffalo bills secondary as a whole stopped him) and Odell still dropped 100 and a TD on him.
33 games. 28 tds. 100+ yards per game. Just dropped 200 receiving yards in the second half and had the last minute game winner to keep our season alive. First instant monster NFL WR since Moss.
And we're focusing on the negatives. He's a diva and yes, if he concentrated his rage better he could be even more dominant than he already is. But he's already historic and everyone knows it, including him. He's been a diva and I hope he grows up, but he's just so damn good and I've enjoyed rooting for his unique madness.
Yes, Richburg has to be responsible for his own actions, but he was ejected for hitting Norman late and taunting him. In Beckham/Norman round two.
We need OBJ to be a leader, that's all. We are only going to go as far as he takes us. The team feeds off his emotion whether positive or negative. He needs to be cognizant of that.
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I would suggest that Richmond was protecting, or retaliating for Shepard more than Beckham. Even the link shows the hit JN laid on him. Should have been a flag but he was fined. So you may not be making it up, but you may be drawing the wrong conclusion. The only negative thing that article said about Beckham is
If you think that is a negative.
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Just be quiet. Some don't believe he's as good as Antonio Brown. Nobody thought anybody was better than Taylor and LT never pulled this nonsense in the field.
You're a clown.
Lol - having a Beckham i see. Need a hug before a kicking net crashing into your fragile psyche?
Kid had to keep on his helmet which is a penalty. Apparently you're too dumb to figure it out just as you're to lost realize Taylor never pulled this baby nonsense on the football field
Your getting boring. All you do is answer a post with insults.
Great player, troubled man.
Great player, troubled man.
Reading and following along isn't too high in your priority list. Had you do either you would 't be making such stupid comments.
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Starting to sound like a man crush. Besides I bet most fans would not consider him a role model. And therefore not appropriate for a comparison of behavior. Or do you only care about on field behavior?
Great player, troubled man.
Reading and following along isn't too high in your priority list. Had you do either you would 't be making such stupid comments.
Insults again?
Not following along and claiming others have a man crush is childish. Try following along like an adult rather than (oh, don't want to insult you). You can dish it out but can't take it. Nice work
It was NEVER an issue on the field. He had off the field issues? Plenty do. On the field he wasn't a head case or problem.
Don't expect some to comprehend.
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Starting to sound like a man crush. Besides I bet most fans would not consider him a role model. And therefore not appropriate for a comparison of behavior. Or do you only care about on field behavior?
Great player, troubled man.
Reading and following along isn't too high in your priority list. Had you do either you would 't be making such stupid comments.
I have a question for you. Why are you holding up LT a a standard of behavior considering his off-field issues? If LT played today and repeated his actions he might just be kicked out of the league. Would that be bad for the Giants?
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Who ever said LT needed to calm down on the field?
It was NEVER an issue on the field. He had off the field issues? Plenty do. On the field he wasn't a head case or problem.
Don't expect some to comprehend.
What is there to comprehend. Beckham reacted badly and you really don't like it. And even though he had 2 TDs in the 4th qtr you seem to think he is a liability.
Enjoy
Enjoy
Like a 12 year old. Always insults.
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Who ever said LT needed to calm down on the field?
It was NEVER an issue on the field. He had off the field issues? Plenty do. On the field he wasn't a head case or problem.
Don't expect some to comprehend.
What is there to comprehend. Beckham reacted badly and you really don't like it. And even though he had 2 TDs in the 4th qtr you seem to think he is a liability.
You have read to comprehend. Try going through the thread a bit. Might take some effort beyond five posts.
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To ask the same questions which have already been asked and answered. Too lazy isn't an insult. It's just you being too lazy to read. That's on you kid.
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Like a 12 year old. Always insults.
Like a lazy millennial. Too lazy to read and comically takes it personal. Need a hug? Apparently
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To ask the same questions which have already been asked and answered. Too lazy isn't an insult. It's just you being too lazy to read. That's on you kid.
Enjoy
Like a 12 year old. Always insults.
Like a lazy millennial. Too lazy to read and comically takes it personal. Need a hug? Apparently
Insults again?
I took a brief look look through your posts. It didn't take long to see a trend in your posts.
You insulted people under 25. Mentioned LT at least a dozen times. And stated OBJ behaved badly in various ways. So I ask what did you say that is new?
I don't need a hug and I'm probably older than you.
I never claimed to have the answers. That is what you do.
And I could use some luck as we all can.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's
about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
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Nice to see you have all the answers and the rest of the world is wrong. Best of luck, not that you need it right?
I never claimed to have the answers. That is what you do.
And I could use some luck as we all can.
And you don't represent the rest of the world. If you did you would be a happier person. One without the need to insult those that don't share your opinion.
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Seen it a few times.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's
about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
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I agree. But would my objection is LTs off-field life can't be ignored if you are referring to him as a role model.
And before your bring another example, I'd suggest Jerry Rice, I' also agree Beckham acted badly. I just don't see why supposed fans feel it is necessary to react so negatively. He is young and smart. He will adjust. If not go at him all you wnt. But give hime some time.
Poster claiming they want to be the coach lol. Nice call bro. Send in your application
Yes, Richburg has to be responsible for his own actions, but he was ejected for hitting Norman late and taunting him. In Beckham/Norman round two.
We need OBJ to be a leader, that's all. We are only going to go as far as he takes us. The team feeds off his emotion whether positive or negative. He needs to be cognizant of that.
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Your link does not help your argument. Outside of a clickbait headline, where in the article does it it say, let alone offer evidence, that Eli had to console Beckham on the sidelines "for 10 minutes" because of the interception?
And again, Richburg hit Norman late after two consecutive impressive plays by Beckham. It had nothing to do with Beckham.
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that he proposed to the kicking net? ?
Wrong - he's being ridiculed b/c of the flag which was the first act of his look at me show with no clue/care he was flagged which could have cost the team a win and maybe a playoff spot down the road.
Just wait until the Ram game this week.
So you're saying that there aren't people all over BBI making a fuss about him and the net? Which threads are you reading, because I'm seeing it in every Beckham thread.
Apparently you still miss the ones about the flag b/c you're still posting about the net.
Irrelevant. Responding that people are complaining about the flag says absolutely nothing about the persistent complaints regarding the net.
The whole issue is the flag. The dopes look to the net which had no effect on the field position.
All about the flag.
2012 what do you have to start for his 212 CLUTCH yards?
The same Von Miller who was suspended for six games for corrupting a drug test after failing a previous test? He's a saint
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2012 what do you have to start for his 212 CLUTCH yards?
Not sure if that's English but I'm with everybody else who cheered and then asked wt heck this moron was thinking b/c everybody knows it's a penalty to take off your helmet. Feel free to dismiss the stupidity but it did happen and the fear he's too out of control to remain in control. Everybody but a few , including yourself, understand this.
Odell is the main reason we've extended the Eli era. Odell is the main reason we still have a season. For the millionth time I'll mention the 211 2nd half yards. Yet the focus is on what a selfish loser he is. Unreal. So many people here and in the general media who feel the need to only talk about the negatives of a player who literally carried us on his back. I'm disgusted at the disproportionate amount of talk about the negative
Same here. These people let themselves get riled up by the likes of morons like Francessa, who never points a finger when Dez Bryant goes full idiot, but somehow dedicates an entire week to Beckham poking fun at a net.
Without Beckham, this team probably sacrifices half of it's win totals since he's come onboard. Does he need to tone down his act? Absolutely. Does his schtick end up on the top 10 list of shit currently wrong with this team? Absolutely not.
- Eli
No it's not - the point was Beckham is selfish. LT was just as selfish - his inability to lay off the snow cost him 4 games. During that 4 game stretch, the Giants went .500 during a period of their dominance.
If you want to imply Beckham's shenanigans are selfish and hurting the team, then you can't just look away from what LT did. The 1 game suspension and the penalties still pale in comparison to missing a 4 game stretch, and that's without considering how much better LT might have been if he had kept his off the field shit to a reasonable level.
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Had the negative been acknowledged and not defended with delusions and excuses the topic would never taken off. Oh he's an entertainer, it's a no fun league, Lawrence Taylor was worse on and off the field, he must be so disappointed in his fan base, blah, blah, blah. That's not denying anything. It's justifying.
No it's not - the point was Beckham is selfish. LT was just as selfish - his inability to lay off the snow cost him 4 games. During that 4 game stretch, the Giants went .500 during a period of their dominance.
If you want to imply Beckham's shenanigans are selfish and hurting the team, then you can't just look away from what LT did. The 1 game suspension and the penalties still pale in comparison to missing a 4 game stretch, and that's without considering how much better LT might have been if he had kept his off the field shit to a reasonable level.
What did Taylor do wrong during his first three years?
I know your type will account that Beckham is young so why not compare him to Taylor through 2.3 years? What did Taylor do wrong?
There's always a but with some of you.
- BUT if Williams got out of bounds, Dallas would've won
- BUT, we let New Orleans hang around and they could've won at the end
- BUT, Beckham had a penalty that could've lost the game.
Funny, but if "but's" are brought up during a loss, it is just sour grapes and the focus is on the result.
You are in the midst of watching the most explosive and dominant WR in Giants history and you would rather talk about histrionics than the result? And you don't see the issue with that?
Good Lord.
So it's arbitrary to compare OBj within 2.3 years to the GOAT too? You can assure no suspensions or any wrong doing by Beckham throughout his career? Really? That's some crystal ball. Can you give us the winning lottery numbers too Nostradamus?
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Taylor gets a pass because he waited a bit to go off the rails?
So it's arbitrary to compare OBj within 2.3 years to the GOAT too? You can assure no suspensions or any wrong doing by Beckham throughout his career? Really? That's some crystal ball. Can you give us the winning lottery numbers too Nostradamus?
For all we know, OBJ goes full Carruth and ends up killing someone. The only thing we *can* do is evaluate him based on his behavior to date.
For all the get-off-my-lawners complaining about his lack of class and how much he's going to damage the team, what he's done to date still pales in comparison to LT. Is his impact the same? He's not in the GOAT category yet, but he's by far the main (if not only) reason we've won whatever games we have lately, in particular the last one everyone is bitching about.
In the meanwhile, you guys have fun with the Francessa brigade, complaining about how guys don't respectfully hand the ball back to the ref and solemnly walk back to the huddle. I'll just enjoy a generational talent doing what he does best.
Trust me, nothing is more sad than watch a bunch of decrepit morons pretending to be Giants fans try to help the media run out one of our best players in a decade.
odell has a lot of strengths - his elite quickness/cutting/hip shiftiness, his next level speed gear, his ability to make impossible catches possible. he broke over 20 nfl records, and he's not even half way through his third year. he is an incredible football player that will burn you if you take your chances 1 on 1 with him. and I love the intensity he brings to the team. from all accounts, he is an awesome teammate/colleague in the locker room.
yes, he has his blind spots - he needs to make more of the routine catches that hit him in the hands and recognize that with the spotlight on him, he needs to err on the side of caution before doing anything outlandish with his celebrations or trash talking of opponents. I have every confidence that he will smooth out these rough edges and be the complete nightmare for defensive coordinators that he can be.
bottom line: odell is an elite talent who still has work to do to be a complete player - we need him as we make a run for a championship.
people like kivorka who called him a cancer and his dupe Giants2012 who focus on just his behaviour clearly have some strange views/biases as a fan of the Giants.
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Congrats
Trust me, nothing is more sad than watch a bunch of decrepit morons pretending to be Giants fans try to help the media run out one of our best players in a decade.
You Trumped it. Just a bunch of whiny delusions every post. Media tries to run him out, no fun league, he's as legendary as Taylor, , it's just passion.
Never mind both the QB and Coach commented on the antics. They must not be Giants fans either. Eli and the HC are just two old farts yelling at a cloud. You're lost
It hurts the Giants when starting star players get themselves suspended for games by deliberately launching themselves into the head of another player... Yes or no? Granted it was largely a meaningless game but what if they had been in contention for the division?
Was i posting at you? You've already demonstrated you like to chime in without reading. So what's your point beside the typical chime in with few facts?
It hurts the Giants when starting star players get themselves suspended for games by deliberately launching themselves into the head of another player... Yes or no? Granted it was largely a meaningless game but what if they had been in contention for the division?
Thank you
Somehow the common sense gets replaced by delusions.
It hurts the Giants when starting star players get themselves suspended for games by deliberately launching themselves into the head of another player... Yes or no? Granted it was largely a meaningless game but what if they had been in contention for the division?
And that happened last year. How long until he's forgiven for that? Has he done anything remotely close to that this year?
If people want to beat the issue like a drum, go right ahead. Not sure what it accomplishes other than being able to say "I told you so" if it ever happens again.
The whole issue is the flag. The dopes look to the net which had no effect on the field position.
It's irrelevant because once again you are arguing a point not in contention.
I never once said that people didn't complain about the flags. I said that too many people were complaining about his actions with the kicking net. Your response to that was to reject that comment and bring up complaints about the flags. Again, that does nothing to disprove or counter my claim about the net.
But carry on carrying on.
Get lost troll. Every question was answered. You just troll in to fill your schedule
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still dodging the questions, not surprising.
Get lost troll. Every question was answered. You just troll in to fill your schedule
Sorry for hitting a nerve there chief. If you ever man up an answer the question, let me know.
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still dodging the questions, not surprising.
Get lost troll. Every question was answered. You just troll in to fill your schedule
Sorry for hitting a nerve there chief. If you ever man up an answer the question, let me know.
No worries troll. I don't retype the answers to the same questions b/c you're too lazy to read.
I will offer advice once though. Like those deep questions you start threads on. How do I get a mortgage? How does a GPS work? How do I tap a keg?
Like I said, get a refund
Troll.
And calling him a troll is ironic at best.
The age thing is relevant b/c the 25 and under crew doesn't seem to have enough experience to differentiate between right and wrong or funny and outright stupid. Heck, writing a resume or speaking on the phone is a reach.
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The age thing is relevant b/c the 25 and under crew doesn't seem to have enough experience to differentiate between right and wrong or funny and outright stupid. Heck, writing a resume or speaking on the phone is a reach.
Giants2012 has posted a lot of nonsense and gibberish on this thread, but his first post, where he stereotypes everyone under the age of 25 as being incompetent and unethical says it all.
this is the same guy that said the nfl called the nhl and told them to delay their outdoor hockey game in new york so they can see how fans react to sitting in cold weather...
I guess some people just can't handle their opinions being challenged.
My bad. He's just a stalker who can't read and struggles cognitively. At least he can tap keg.
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FMiC was a troll, I'd tend to side with that..
What's the response I'm looking for??
MURDERER!!
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FMiC was a troll, I'd tend to side with that..
My bad. He's just a stalker who can't read and struggles cognitively. At least he can tap keg.
You are all class Giants2012, insulting me and complimenting me at the same time, keep em coming!
Haven't tapped a keg since college since you are so hung up on it. Unless the technology changed recently i'm pretty sure I can do it. But I may be too stupid, so I'm not guaranteeing anything. I'll definitely solicit your help if the opportunity arises.
Troll.
We had to do that for Super Bowl XXV while I was in college. What a pain in the ass that was. Fortunately the night ended on a good note, well for everyone but the shit talking Bills fan we watched it with.
That's some pretty low aspiration.
That's some pretty low aspiration.
It's not but he's made progress. Not in the reading department yet has the stalker gig down
And i'm the one with the problem?
Troll.
If people want to beat the issue like a drum, go right ahead. Not sure what it accomplishes other than being able to say "I told you so" if it ever happens again.
I'm not sure we're "accomplishing" anything posting on BBI. We're having discussions.
But, no, he hasn't. And it sounds like you truly are not concerned about him developing as a diva WR who is an ongoing distraction. I'm not quite there. It's an honest reaction, I'm not out to get the guy...love watching him play and love how he's carried this offense.
We've been spoiled with Eli Manning. Pro sports players don't get more humble than him. If anything he dislikes the spotlight. Beckham is obviously a different type of player. If it doesn't escalate from here and he continues to be a net positive for the team, obviously we should all be behind him. Emphasis, though, on "for the team", not for Odell Beckham Jr.
Two, Fatman is not a troll. He's a fucking ugly-assed ogre.
Maybe it has something to do with crusty old men!
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And that happened last year. How long until he's forgiven for that? Has he done anything remotely close to that this year?
If people want to beat the issue like a drum, go right ahead. Not sure what it accomplishes other than being able to say "I told you so" if it ever happens again.
I'm not sure we're "accomplishing" anything posting on BBI. We're having discussions.
But, no, he hasn't. And it sounds like you truly are not concerned about him developing as a diva WR who is an ongoing distraction. I'm not quite there. It's an honest reaction, I'm not out to get the guy...love watching him play and love how he's carried this offense.
We've been spoiled with Eli Manning. Pro sports players don't get more humble than him. If anything he dislikes the spotlight. Beckham is obviously a different type of player. If it doesn't escalate from here and he continues to be a net positive for the team, obviously we should all be behind him. Emphasis, though, on "for the team", not for Odell Beckham Jr.
I agree with you, and yes, I'm not really concerned with him turning into an uncontrollable player. He does too many good things on and off the field for me to think that. When I see TO, Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, etc, I see wildly different players in regards to emotions and personal conduct. Beckham has the big slip up against Carolina last year where he lost it, but I haven't seen that again since. As long as he isn't going that far again, and hopefully not getting stupid penalties, he will continue to be a cornerstone of this franchise.
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And that happened last year. How long until he's forgiven for that? Has he done anything remotely close to that this year?
If people want to beat the issue like a drum, go right ahead. Not sure what it accomplishes other than being able to say "I told you so" if it ever happens again.
I'm not sure we're "accomplishing" anything posting on BBI. We're having discussions.
But, no, he hasn't. And it sounds like you truly are not concerned about him developing as a diva WR who is an ongoing distraction. I'm not quite there. It's an honest reaction, I'm not out to get the guy...love watching him play and love how he's carried this offense.
We've been spoiled with Eli Manning. Pro sports players don't get more humble than him. If anything he dislikes the spotlight. Beckham is obviously a different type of player. If it doesn't escalate from here and he continues to be a net positive for the team, obviously we should all be behind him. Emphasis, though, on "for the team", not for Odell Beckham Jr.
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Common sense. A rarity for some
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And that happened last year. How long until he's forgiven for that? Has he done anything remotely close to that this year?
If people want to beat the issue like a drum, go right ahead. Not sure what it accomplishes other than being able to say "I told you so" if it ever happens again.
I'm not sure we're "accomplishing" anything posting on BBI. We're having discussions.
But, no, he hasn't. And it sounds like you truly are not concerned about him developing as a diva WR who is an ongoing distraction. I'm not quite there. It's an honest reaction, I'm not out to get the guy...love watching him play and love how he's carried this offense.
We've been spoiled with Eli Manning. Pro sports players don't get more humble than him. If anything he dislikes the spotlight. Beckham is obviously a different type of player. If it doesn't escalate from here and he continues to be a net positive for the team, obviously we should all be behind him. Emphasis, though, on "for the team", not for Odell Beckham Jr.
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Common sense. A rarity for some
I'm glad you've finally agreed with us. That Beckham deserves a chance and that we should support him.
No, you took it there. Re-read your posts. Not one of them mentions support for OBJ or expressed the thought that he may mature. Most are insults to the under 25 crowd and anyone that tried to contradict your rants.
Please re-read them and tell me how they make you look. Do it objectively.
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Beckham has looked like an asshole this year then you're probably an asshole or under the age of 25.
Doesnt mean he isnt awesome at football but I can't fathom how anybody wouldnt prefer Odell to not propose to kicking nets after he scores a touchdown. It's corny, lame, and I'm sure it makes John Mara cringe. I know I do.
I know plenty of people under 25, who are pretty fucking awesome and plenty more over 25, who are assholes (including myself). Not sure why age thing is even relevant.
The age thing is relevant b/c the 25 and under crew doesn't seem to have enough experience to differentiate between right and wrong or funny and outright stupid. Heck, writing a resume or speaking on the phone is a reach.
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Look at that immature "look at me" attitude in his eyes.
You honestly can't tell the difference. I feel sorry for you. Those long novels you write at 3am in Rangers threads i thought summed you up. I was wrong. This one does. You can't tell the difference between the game, pregame and who knows what else.
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Seen it a few times.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
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Those making the connection aren't smart enough to recognize failure staring them in the face
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Seen it a few times.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
You remember that 4 game stretch that LT missed that the Giants went 2-2 in? Guess what, that's worse than a 15 yard penalty.
Now the GOAT is being ridiculed by these dopes.
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Was now if we have a problem with Beckhams BS we must have a problem with any plays who gets a 4 game suspension?
Ok.
Stick the four game suspension you know where. OBJ's resume isn't even in the same sentence with what Taylor achieved.
on one hand, you dismiss LT hurting the team because of his ability and performance. On the other you rush to ignore Beckham''s ability and performance to light the pyre over perceived transgressions. Same thing, different outcome.
Wrong - apparently you really can't figure out why it makes no sense, none, to compare the GOAT to a 3rd year player. Some believe he's not even the best receiver in the league and yet some want to bring up Taylor lol. Good lord, how ridiculous.
Now show us where you supported OBJ.
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Eli and McAdoo said something, does that make you feel better? What does it prove other than what everyone here has already stated? We know he needs to clean some things up, but beyond that what is your point?
NOt sure about McAdoo, but apparently yesterday he said that G2012 is not representing his prior comments accurately.
Eli pretty much said his comments were taking out of context, and it seemed that he's more annoyed at having to answer a million OBJ questions.
Now show us where you supported OBJ.
Keep researching and you'll find it. It's all over the site. Quite a few agree your type can't comprehend the messaging. If I had your time or any desire, I'd re-point out your delusions and assumptions which are way off base. My +1's in this very thread and other threads support what you and some just can't come to grips with.
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Read them and ask yourself if this is good or bad behavior.
Now show us where you supported OBJ.
Keep researching and you'll find it. It's all over the site. Quite a few agree your type can't comprehend the messaging. If I had your time or any desire, I'd re-point out your delusions and assumptions which are way off base. My +1's in this very thread and other threads support what you and some just can't come to grips with.
What is my 'type'?
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Read them and ask yourself if this is good or bad behavior.
Now show us where you supported OBJ.
Keep researching and you'll find it. It's all over the site. Quite a few agree your type can't comprehend the messaging. If I had your time or any desire, I'd re-point out your delusions and assumptions which are way off base. My +1's in this very thread and other threads support what you and some just can't come to grips with.
I won't. I'm already satisfied that you are an ass and you should not be taken seriously. You are just an angry old bastard that needs to remind people he is still alive.
"Never argue with fools, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." -- George Carlin
Good luck
Good luck
I did. but that ws 35 years ago.
Hope you grow up. Whatever age you are. Hugs and kisses!!
What a nut
What a nut
What meltdown? Have I insulted anyone like you have.
Your are the one having issues. I'm composed and rational. Like an adult. Try it.