I am sorry this is so long, and sorry to be starting another OBJ discussion. But my thoughts were too long to include in the existing posts.
I’d be the first to say I am an unapologetic OBJ defender. That said. I think the criticism of some of his actions are warranted (the Panthers game from last year and some cheap shots observed this year. However due to the legitimate criticism he has received, the level of criticism of OBJ has reached an unreasonable level. I cite the following:
- The emotional meltdown during the Redskins game and hitting the net with his helmet. I understand that everyone wants to see the young man exercise complete composure at all times, but let’s be fair. Plenty of players, including hall of fame players, got emotional on the sidelines in similar fashion. It’s one thing to say he should stay composed, it’s another to label him as a distraction or a selfish player because of this particular behavior.
- His “taunting” penalty during the Vikings game. In addition to being a poor call by the official, OBJ had been hit late out of bounds, which was not called, and he was reacting to that hit. Also, I fail to see how that was taunting. OBJ was trying to get the official’s attention, not going after the defensive player. He did try to exact a little revenge on the next play, which in my opinion should have been flagged.
- And yesterday. I know people are tired of the thing with the net, and I could do without it. But I think we have to accept that this is OBJ’s way of getting back at the critics for what he sees as some unfair scrutiny when you consider that plenty of players do the same things he does and don’t receive the same treatment from the national sports media. I mean, he isn’t the first or the last player to have an outburst on the sideline and use his equipment to express that frustration. As far as removing the helmet penalty, I would argue he had stepped out of the endzone and therefore was no longer in the field of play, but the rules are the rules. Not going to make excuses for him there. As far as the post TD sideline antics go, he just scored the game winning TD on 4th and 1, and took his chest thumping strutting celebration to the sideline (where it belongs) and kept it out of the endzone.
National media is acting like OBJ is the first skill player to celebrate loudly after big plays. Anyone notice this kind of thing has been going on for 30 years? Why is OBJ proposing to the net on the sideline somehow worse than Antonio Brown’s twerking in the endzone? My basic point is there are things we can and should be critical of OBJ for, and then there are other instances where we (fans and media) are far too critical. As much as you don’t like the net stuff, doesn’t it seem like the sports media is more outraged about it than OBJ teammates are?
Last night Rodney Harrison said OBJ had “potential”, ok Mr. Harrison, I think we are beyond potential at this point. And Tony Dungy, a man I respect, said OBJ has to stop hurting his team with penalties like removing his helmet after the TD. While I concede the act was a penalty, let’s be fair. Did anyone catch Rob Gronkowski’s actions yesterday? Now, to be honest, I love me some Gronk. He is a monster, plays like a bull in a china shop, seems to never take a play off, and is near impossible to stop. I would love to see him in NYG Blue. But, Gronk is a bit off…mentally, and we all know this. We have accepted it. In fact, most of us love it, even when he is in the wrong.
Anyone remember his off the field antics and partying early in his career, when he explained to the New Patriot organization that his partying and blowing off steam helped him play better. And they said ok, just don’t do anything to hurt the team. Anyone read “It’s Good to be Gronk.” A book that details Gronk’s exploits in all facets of his life, some of which are not fit for young ears. Gronk’s antics are almost treated as humorous and loveable, his book was greated as fun and enjoyable. I have no problem with that. Gronk is a great player, he is who is, and is good for the game.
Yesterday during the Pats-Bengals game, Gronk repeatedly taunted the Bengals defense, including a player who got injured attempting to tackle the massive TE. For a while it looked like Gronk and Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict were going to fight. Gronk drew a 15 yard penalty, and later said he needed to avoid those types of penalties. I think we all understand things get heated and emotional on the football field, and players like Gronk and OBJ care about winning. Even when they are drawing attention to themselves they care about winning. What I don’t understand, is why OBJ’s actions yesterday are a bigger media story than Gronk’s actions? Is it because Gronk is a Patriot and has a ring? Is it because half the reason people love Gronk is because he has developed a caveman like persona and lives up to it? Is it because the Patriots win more than the Giants? Do we have more respect for the 6’6” 260lb TE who plays physical, than the 5’11” 195lb WR who plays a finesse game.
Why is it nearly overlooked by national media when one taunts an injured player and almost gets in a fight, and we can’t get enough of what are at worst silly sideline antics with a net and a foolish (but not malicious) removal of the helmet penalty after a game winning TD.
I’m a Giants fan, so I am biased, but I really am curious why OBJ draws far more media attention than Cam Newton’s pouty press conference, Brown’s lewd dancing in the endzone, or Gronk taunting an injured player and almost starting a brawl. Do I think OBJ is under an unfair spotlight? Yes I do. Do I think he helped put it there? Yes I do. Do I think other players are getting away with even worse behavior? Absolutely I do.
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Great player, troubled man.
Reading and following along isn't too high in your priority list. Had you do either you would 't be making such stupid comments.
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Starting to sound like a man crush. Besides I bet most fans would not consider him a role model. And therefore not appropriate for a comparison of behavior. Or do you only care about on field behavior?
Great player, troubled man.
Reading and following along isn't too high in your priority list. Had you do either you would 't be making such stupid comments.
Insults again?
Not following along and claiming others have a man crush is childish. Try following along like an adult rather than (oh, don't want to insult you). You can dish it out but can't take it. Nice work
It was NEVER an issue on the field. He had off the field issues? Plenty do. On the field he wasn't a head case or problem.
Don't expect some to comprehend.
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Starting to sound like a man crush. Besides I bet most fans would not consider him a role model. And therefore not appropriate for a comparison of behavior. Or do you only care about on field behavior?
Great player, troubled man.
Reading and following along isn't too high in your priority list. Had you do either you would 't be making such stupid comments.
I have a question for you. Why are you holding up LT a a standard of behavior considering his off-field issues? If LT played today and repeated his actions he might just be kicked out of the league. Would that be bad for the Giants?
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Who ever said LT needed to calm down on the field?
It was NEVER an issue on the field. He had off the field issues? Plenty do. On the field he wasn't a head case or problem.
Don't expect some to comprehend.
What is there to comprehend. Beckham reacted badly and you really don't like it. And even though he had 2 TDs in the 4th qtr you seem to think he is a liability.
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Like a 12 year old. Always insults.
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Who ever said LT needed to calm down on the field?
It was NEVER an issue on the field. He had off the field issues? Plenty do. On the field he wasn't a head case or problem.
Don't expect some to comprehend.
What is there to comprehend. Beckham reacted badly and you really don't like it. And even though he had 2 TDs in the 4th qtr you seem to think he is a liability.
You have read to comprehend. Try going through the thread a bit. Might take some effort beyond five posts.
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To ask the same questions which have already been asked and answered. Too lazy isn't an insult. It's just you being too lazy to read. That's on you kid.
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Like a 12 year old. Always insults.
Like a lazy millennial. Too lazy to read and comically takes it personal. Need a hug? Apparently
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To ask the same questions which have already been asked and answered. Too lazy isn't an insult. It's just you being too lazy to read. That's on you kid.
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Like a 12 year old. Always insults.
Like a lazy millennial. Too lazy to read and comically takes it personal. Need a hug? Apparently
Insults again?
I took a brief look look through your posts. It didn't take long to see a trend in your posts.
You insulted people under 25. Mentioned LT at least a dozen times. And stated OBJ behaved badly in various ways. So I ask what did you say that is new?
I don't need a hug and I'm probably older than you.
I never claimed to have the answers. That is what you do.
And I could use some luck as we all can.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's
about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
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Nice to see you have all the answers and the rest of the world is wrong. Best of luck, not that you need it right?
I never claimed to have the answers. That is what you do.
And I could use some luck as we all can.
And you don't represent the rest of the world. If you did you would be a happier person. One without the need to insult those that don't share your opinion.
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Seen it a few times.
You think LT had this kind of act? Useless and uncalled for 15 yard penalties. Crying on he field. Complaining about being a victim. A fake tough guy act that included punching s guy in the back of the head and hen running away (Bills game)?
LT was nothing like this. He yelled at other players on occasion? That's
about it. Enough of the LT talk in a Beckham thread: not close.
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I agree. But would my objection is LTs off-field life can't be ignored if you are referring to him as a role model.
And before your bring another example, I'd suggest Jerry Rice, I' also agree Beckham acted badly. I just don't see why supposed fans feel it is necessary to react so negatively. He is young and smart. He will adjust. If not go at him all you wnt. But give hime some time.
Poster claiming they want to be the coach lol. Nice call bro. Send in your application
Yes, Richburg has to be responsible for his own actions, but he was ejected for hitting Norman late and taunting him. In Beckham/Norman round two.
We need OBJ to be a leader, that's all. We are only going to go as far as he takes us. The team feeds off his emotion whether positive or negative. He needs to be cognizant of that.
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Your link does not help your argument. Outside of a clickbait headline, where in the article does it it say, let alone offer evidence, that Eli had to console Beckham on the sidelines "for 10 minutes" because of the interception?
And again, Richburg hit Norman late after two consecutive impressive plays by Beckham. It had nothing to do with Beckham.
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that he proposed to the kicking net? ?
Wrong - he's being ridiculed b/c of the flag which was the first act of his look at me show with no clue/care he was flagged which could have cost the team a win and maybe a playoff spot down the road.
Just wait until the Ram game this week.
So you're saying that there aren't people all over BBI making a fuss about him and the net? Which threads are you reading, because I'm seeing it in every Beckham thread.
Apparently you still miss the ones about the flag b/c you're still posting about the net.
Irrelevant. Responding that people are complaining about the flag says absolutely nothing about the persistent complaints regarding the net.
The whole issue is the flag. The dopes look to the net which had no effect on the field position.
All about the flag.
2012 what do you have to start for his 212 CLUTCH yards?
The same Von Miller who was suspended for six games for corrupting a drug test after failing a previous test? He's a saint
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2012 what do you have to start for his 212 CLUTCH yards?
Not sure if that's English but I'm with everybody else who cheered and then asked wt heck this moron was thinking b/c everybody knows it's a penalty to take off your helmet. Feel free to dismiss the stupidity but it did happen and the fear he's too out of control to remain in control. Everybody but a few , including yourself, understand this.
Odell is the main reason we've extended the Eli era. Odell is the main reason we still have a season. For the millionth time I'll mention the 211 2nd half yards. Yet the focus is on what a selfish loser he is. Unreal. So many people here and in the general media who feel the need to only talk about the negatives of a player who literally carried us on his back. I'm disgusted at the disproportionate amount of talk about the negative
Same here. These people let themselves get riled up by the likes of morons like Francessa, who never points a finger when Dez Bryant goes full idiot, but somehow dedicates an entire week to Beckham poking fun at a net.
Without Beckham, this team probably sacrifices half of it's win totals since he's come onboard. Does he need to tone down his act? Absolutely. Does his schtick end up on the top 10 list of shit currently wrong with this team? Absolutely not.
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No it's not - the point was Beckham is selfish. LT was just as selfish - his inability to lay off the snow cost him 4 games. During that 4 game stretch, the Giants went .500 during a period of their dominance.
If you want to imply Beckham's shenanigans are selfish and hurting the team, then you can't just look away from what LT did. The 1 game suspension and the penalties still pale in comparison to missing a 4 game stretch, and that's without considering how much better LT might have been if he had kept his off the field shit to a reasonable level.
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Had the negative been acknowledged and not defended with delusions and excuses the topic would never taken off. Oh he's an entertainer, it's a no fun league, Lawrence Taylor was worse on and off the field, he must be so disappointed in his fan base, blah, blah, blah. That's not denying anything. It's justifying.
No it's not - the point was Beckham is selfish. LT was just as selfish - his inability to lay off the snow cost him 4 games. During that 4 game stretch, the Giants went .500 during a period of their dominance.
If you want to imply Beckham's shenanigans are selfish and hurting the team, then you can't just look away from what LT did. The 1 game suspension and the penalties still pale in comparison to missing a 4 game stretch, and that's without considering how much better LT might have been if he had kept his off the field shit to a reasonable level.
What did Taylor do wrong during his first three years?
I know your type will account that Beckham is young so why not compare him to Taylor through 2.3 years? What did Taylor do wrong?
There's always a but with some of you.
- BUT if Williams got out of bounds, Dallas would've won
- BUT, we let New Orleans hang around and they could've won at the end
- BUT, Beckham had a penalty that could've lost the game.
Funny, but if "but's" are brought up during a loss, it is just sour grapes and the focus is on the result.
You are in the midst of watching the most explosive and dominant WR in Giants history and you would rather talk about histrionics than the result? And you don't see the issue with that?
Good Lord.
So it's arbitrary to compare OBj within 2.3 years to the GOAT too? You can assure no suspensions or any wrong doing by Beckham throughout his career? Really? That's some crystal ball. Can you give us the winning lottery numbers too Nostradamus?
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Taylor gets a pass because he waited a bit to go off the rails?
So it's arbitrary to compare OBj within 2.3 years to the GOAT too? You can assure no suspensions or any wrong doing by Beckham throughout his career? Really? That's some crystal ball. Can you give us the winning lottery numbers too Nostradamus?
For all we know, OBJ goes full Carruth and ends up killing someone. The only thing we *can* do is evaluate him based on his behavior to date.
For all the get-off-my-lawners complaining about his lack of class and how much he's going to damage the team, what he's done to date still pales in comparison to LT. Is his impact the same? He's not in the GOAT category yet, but he's by far the main (if not only) reason we've won whatever games we have lately, in particular the last one everyone is bitching about.
In the meanwhile, you guys have fun with the Francessa brigade, complaining about how guys don't respectfully hand the ball back to the ref and solemnly walk back to the huddle. I'll just enjoy a generational talent doing what he does best.
Trust me, nothing is more sad than watch a bunch of decrepit morons pretending to be Giants fans try to help the media run out one of our best players in a decade.
odell has a lot of strengths - his elite quickness/cutting/hip shiftiness, his next level speed gear, his ability to make impossible catches possible. he broke over 20 nfl records, and he's not even half way through his third year. he is an incredible football player that will burn you if you take your chances 1 on 1 with him. and I love the intensity he brings to the team. from all accounts, he is an awesome teammate/colleague in the locker room.
yes, he has his blind spots - he needs to make more of the routine catches that hit him in the hands and recognize that with the spotlight on him, he needs to err on the side of caution before doing anything outlandish with his celebrations or trash talking of opponents. I have every confidence that he will smooth out these rough edges and be the complete nightmare for defensive coordinators that he can be.
bottom line: odell is an elite talent who still has work to do to be a complete player - we need him as we make a run for a championship.
people like kivorka who called him a cancer and his dupe Giants2012 who focus on just his behaviour clearly have some strange views/biases as a fan of the Giants.
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Trust me, nothing is more sad than watch a bunch of decrepit morons pretending to be Giants fans try to help the media run out one of our best players in a decade.
You Trumped it. Just a bunch of whiny delusions every post. Media tries to run him out, no fun league, he's as legendary as Taylor, , it's just passion.
Never mind both the QB and Coach commented on the antics. They must not be Giants fans either. Eli and the HC are just two old farts yelling at a cloud. You're lost