yet again at HC? I don't see the point, especially when the FO hasn't done anything to get a QB worth a damn. They want to give the reigns to a 70 year old HC who would need atleast a couple of years to build an offense?
He doesn't have enough emotion, which is the biggest criticism I've heard. Its not his fault they are screwed at QB, have injured WR's, an old/aging RB, no TE, and a secondary that's in shambles.
I would not want to be Beningo's friend - he's turned on Wilkerson after 6 games and is asking for money back. This is after he begged for months for the Jets to re-sign him.
I would not want to be Beningo's friend - he's turned on Wilkerson after 6 games and is asking for money back. This is after he begged for months for the Jets to re-sign him.
wasn't Wilkerson a guest spot on their show last year ?
least the Jets only made a one year investment in Fitzpatrick, but their other options are Smith, Petty, and Hackenburg. That's more proof that quantity isn't quality, although it's obviously too early to say that Hackenburg won't develop into a decent QB. Maybe Petty as well, but he isn't even in front of Smith. The Jets could be in the market for a QB in the offseason. Again. Like Cleveland.
That would force me to want the Jets to win as I did when the Tuna was there..
I root (half-assedly) for the Jets. Tired of seeing New England casually stroll to the post-season every year and it's also nice to see more compelling local games on TV. The Jets as presently consistuted are mercilessly boring.
He doesn't have enough emotion, which is the biggest criticism I've heard. Its not his fault they are screwed at QB, have injured WR's, an old/aging RB, no TE, and a secondary that's in shambles.
It's not? Forgetting the old offense, which presumably he was on board with, who the hell should get the blame for the "secondary that's in shambles"? In reality, the only thing that happened to that high dollar secondary is that Revis has been hurt. He has not developed anything in the back end and who gets the blame for all the miscommunication? He is a defensive back coach for love of God!
It is not his lack of emotion that causes genius moves like kicking an extra point up 12 with four minutes left against the Bills or punt twice in the fourth quarter on 4th and less than two down 11 against the Steelers.
Discipline? Isn't that what a coach is supposed to demand?
Joe and Evan watch the Giants. They should remember how Coughlin's coaching skills eroded those last couple years.
They didnt erode. The talent got worse. There are very few elite coaches. Most of these guys are just at the mercy of the roster.
He made same pretty bad in-game decisions the last couple years. And all those blowout losses? The head coach has to take a big share of the blame in those.
He doesn't have enough emotion, which is the biggest criticism I've heard. Its not his fault they are screwed at QB, have injured WR's, an old/aging RB, no TE, and a secondary that's in shambles.
It's not? Forgetting the old offense, which presumably he was on board with, who the hell should get the blame for the "secondary that's in shambles"? In reality, the only thing that happened to that high dollar secondary is that Revis has been hurt. He has not developed anything in the back end and who gets the blame for all the miscommunication? He is a defensive back coach for love of God!
It is not his lack of emotion that causes genius moves like kicking an extra point up 12 with four minutes left against the Bills or punt twice in the fourth quarter on 4th and less than two down 11 against the Steelers.
Discipline? Isn't that what a coach is supposed to demand?
I'm talking about the personnel. His is shit. Their DB's in recent drafts have been poor, Revis is done as an elite CB, and Skrine wouldn't play for the Giants (i'm half serious). Of course he desrves blame for other things, but its just like any other coach with a shit roster. What does hiring TC accomplish other than starting over yet again? The same TC who had many of the coaching blunders with clock management, discipline problems, and the unwillingness to adapt his strategy.
I love TC, but the Jets would be pretty stupid to go after him. They are a decade late.
Don't want it to happen. I don't think Coach would want it, either. Woody is a tool who worries too much about what the NYC tabloids write anyway. Why would Coughlin go through that bullshit again?
Look, nothing against Bowles. He paid his dues. He deserves a full shot. But he got the job because the writers torpedoed Doug Marrone. He should have been Woodman's choice. They brought in an X-Cuse assistant, Bob Casullo, thrice fired, most recently by HCDM, a drunk who went on a libel spree against Doug, both in print and on the airways. They PC geeked the choice. In my opinion, Woody made the wrong choice. If you're Coughlin, do you want to work for that weak a guy? Testicles of a field mouse. I don't think so.
My Jets fans buddies believe he is being out coached.
I don't think the Jets would fire Bowles after year 2. Francesca mentioned on his Sunday NFL show that teams who fire there coaches frequently is indicative of a team that just doesn't know what it's doing.
yep, this...can't believe Beningo and Roberts really having this discussion...wtf? Well, yes, Beningo I can believe; I would think Roberts is smarter, more rational than that
UConn, he may have had a hand in some of the personnel decisions that the GM has made, but I agree with you, the personnel is very uneven, QB a mess, etc., as you and others have said. But the lack of emotion? I think he's very much a players' coach and they dig that. I don't watch much of the Jets' games carefully if at all, but it seems he's made some questionable decisions.
But, with a marginal roster (taken as a whole), which NFL coach doesn't?
I'm talking about the personnel. His is shit. Their DB's in recent drafts have been poor, Revis is done as an elite CB, and Skrine wouldn't play for the Giants (i'm half serious). Of course he desrves blame for other things, but its just like any other coach with a shit roster. What does hiring TC accomplish other than starting over yet again? The same TC who had many of the coaching blunders with clock management, discipline problems, and the unwillingness to adapt his strategy.
I love TC, but the Jets would be pretty stupid to go after him. They are a decade late.
They aren't that shitty IMO. I agree that Coughlin would be a bad play. He is old and that would be the little brother shit all over again. OTOH, many of the problems that the Jets are facing were caused by Bowles. He is supposed to be able to scheme a D and if you think there isn't talent on that D you are delusional. Revis has been hurt. He isn't worth the money he gets, but I think you will see a resurgence in him next year.
More importantly, Maccagnan is his hand picked GM. When they did that coaching search, they basically picked them in tandem because they could work together. This isn't like Ryan being saddled with Idzik dismantling the roster. If there is a problem with the DBs that is on Bowles.
I think they made a big mistake paying Fitzpatrick all that money because now they are stuck. They picked him as a starter. If they stuck to their guns and rolled with Geno and Petty they would have taken their lumps and had a built in excuse. They also probably could have rolled that $12M forward to next year's cap.
As it is, this season is putting them on the hot seat and without a QB, they are going to have to make a splash this offseason. Needing to make a splash is NOT the way to build a team.
They did not make a mistake re-signing Fitzpatrick. They had playoff aspirations and had committed big bucks to several aging players; they weren't going to write off this year. Their early season schedule was insane. The big mistake by the was Itzik, the previous GM. They could've easily traded up for Beckham when they had a ton of extra draft picks & they liked him & badly needed a WR. More important though, they should have drafted either Carr or Bridgewater to overdraft Gino but drafted a safety, Pryor who can't cover. How do you think Bowles would look with Carr as his QB?
Made a gamble on guys keeping it going for this year like Fitzpatrick and Revis and both have imploded.
Coughlin is a terrible fit for this team. Coughlin is a better fit for a team like Indy with a new GM there.
They need to identify and commit to a rebuild plan starting with a QB. If they completely tank and have a high pick I wonder if they consider another QB or stick with Hackenberg.
They have issues on their offensive line now too and their secondary is a mess. Their core guys like Mangold, Harris, Revis, Marshall are all getting older and losing a step.
Bowles has some head coaching issues but no more than MacAdoo himself has. Macagnan as GM as an enormous job in front of him.
Giants are in much better shape the next two or three years or so than the Jets.
They did not make a mistake re-signing Fitzpatrick. They had playoff aspirations and had committed big bucks to several aging players; they weren't going to write off this year. Their early season schedule was insane. The big mistake by the was Itzik, the previous GM. They could've easily traded up for Beckham when they had a ton of extra draft picks & they liked him & badly needed a WR. More important though, they should have drafted either Carr or Bridgewater to overdraft Gino but drafted a safety, Pryor who can't cover. How do you think Bowles would look with Carr as his QB?
Re-signing Fitzpatrick was fine. Paying him real starter money marries them to him and "playoff aspirations" + 1-5 = coach/GM on the hot seat. Idzik was an idiot, but that does not change what Bowles is doing and what he is doing isn't good. If you want to talk about the past - Terry Bradway was banging the table for Russell Wilson in the draft. Big whoop. The past is over. Other teams passed on those guys and survived. The Jets shouldn't have become the Browns overnight.
But this isn't the dumbest thing he's uttered on Wfan. It's still dumb because he's always crying that the jets have no continuity at HC and now he wants Bowles fired after 20 games? The same guys who have absolutely blasted terry Collins whenever the Mets lose a series the last two seasons. The same two seasons that ended with a playoff appearance.
I'm talking about the personnel. His is shit. Their DB's in recent drafts have been poor, Revis is done as an elite CB, and Skrine wouldn't play for the Giants (i'm half serious). Of course he desrves blame for other things, but its just like any other coach with a shit roster. What does hiring TC accomplish other than starting over yet again? The same TC who had many of the coaching blunders with clock management, discipline problems, and the unwillingness to adapt his strategy.
I love TC, but the Jets would be pretty stupid to go after him. They are a decade late.
They aren't that shitty IMO. I agree that Coughlin would be a bad play. He is old and that would be the little brother shit all over again. OTOH, many of the problems that the Jets are facing were caused by Bowles. He is supposed to be able to scheme a D and if you think there isn't talent on that D you are delusional. Revis has been hurt. He isn't worth the money he gets, but I think you will see a resurgence in him next year.
More importantly, Maccagnan is his hand picked GM. When they did that coaching search, they basically picked them in tandem because they could work together. This isn't like Ryan being saddled with Idzik dismantling the roster. If there is a problem with the DBs that is on Bowles.
I think they made a big mistake paying Fitzpatrick all that money because now they are stuck. They picked him as a starter. If they stuck to their guns and rolled with Geno and Petty they would have taken their lumps and had a built in excuse. They also probably could have rolled that $12M forward to next year's cap.
As it is, this season is putting them on the hot seat and without a QB, they are going to have to make a splash this offseason. Needing to make a splash is NOT the way to build a team.
I didn't say the defense doesn't have talent, their front 7 is awesome. Their secondary is miserable though and I can't fault Bowles there. He has a diminished Revis and scraps. If Revis was the Revis of old they would be able to get by, but he's getting burned left and right. Its a mess.
Not that I care anything about the Jets but how many of the 5 losses were to bad teams or even aversge teams . Losing to Kc and Ariz on the road is no embarrassment and I'm not sure where Cinc, Pitt were but they are good teams. Seattle was a home game but they're pretty good.
Parcels won 3 games his 1st year. You don't fire a guy 20 games into a run unless there's cause & while he made mistakes, they're not fireable. As I said, the previous administration made some whoppers and they're not that good but Beningo & Evan are clowns for wanting to fire this coach now
I didn't say the defense doesn't have talent, their front 7 is awesome. Their secondary is miserable though and I can't fault Bowles there. He has a diminished Revis and scraps. If Revis was the Revis of old they would be able to get by, but he's getting burned left and right. Its a mess.
I generally agree with you, so I don't like going round and round, but...
That is his hand picked secondary. They are paying Skrine a ton of money. They are paying Gilchrist a ton of money. They liked Williams which is why they dumped Cromartie. Pryor seemed fine last year. Secondary is Bowles wheelhouse. If he can't handle that, what can he handle?
It isn't the front 7 that is awesome, it is the Dline. The LBs are kind of subpar. They have the fidget Lee 1st rounder, Harris, Erin Henderson inside and some young questionable guys outside (Mauldin, Jenkins, Catapano). Worse the Dline is all big 3-4 DE/DT types. Wilkerson, Richardson and Williams are all great, but they are very similar. They don't have a pass rush specialist or edge guy and because Richardson is the most versatile Bowles uses him out of position which causes issues like last night where he is at LB but too slow to get to the edge.
I don't think they should fire Bowles, but looking this bad with a $12M QB is going to leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth. There isn't much hope for next year either, unless they think that Petty or Hackenburg will be ready (not likely).
If Coughlin would get another HC job I would be surprised if
yet again at HC? I don't see the point, especially when the FO hasn't done anything to get a QB worth a damn. They want to give the reigns to a 70 year old HC who would need atleast a couple of years to build an offense?
Didn't they resign the QB that had the best season ever as a jets QB? Which is what all the JET fans were praying for...
He doesn't have enough emotion, which is the biggest criticism I've heard. Its not his fault they are screwed at QB, have injured WR's, an old/aging RB, no TE, and a secondary that's in shambles.
Probably more talented than we are, but nothing but dog crap at the QB position.
Bowles is horrible. Did you see last week when he punted the ball? He's also had macadoo clock management issues
Atleast Rex Ryan was fun to watch
wasn't Wilkerson a guest spot on their show last year ?
Yes...sarcasm
Thanks.
I root (half-assedly) for the Jets. Tired of seeing New England casually stroll to the post-season every year and it's also nice to see more compelling local games on TV. The Jets as presently consistuted are mercilessly boring.
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Why? Is Bowles really the problem there?
He doesn't have enough emotion, which is the biggest criticism I've heard. Its not his fault they are screwed at QB, have injured WR's, an old/aging RB, no TE, and a secondary that's in shambles.
It's not? Forgetting the old offense, which presumably he was on board with, who the hell should get the blame for the "secondary that's in shambles"? In reality, the only thing that happened to that high dollar secondary is that Revis has been hurt. He has not developed anything in the back end and who gets the blame for all the miscommunication? He is a defensive back coach for love of God!
It is not his lack of emotion that causes genius moves like kicking an extra point up 12 with four minutes left against the Bills or punt twice in the fourth quarter on 4th and less than two down 11 against the Steelers.
Discipline? Isn't that what a coach is supposed to demand?
Atleast Rex Ryan was fun to watch
There is that fun word again. Antics are more appealing than wins for many.
They didnt erode. The talent got worse. There are very few elite coaches. Most of these guys are just at the mercy of the roster.
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Joe and Evan watch the Giants. They should remember how Coughlin's coaching skills eroded those last couple years.
They didnt erode. The talent got worse. There are very few elite coaches. Most of these guys are just at the mercy of the roster.
He made same pretty bad in-game decisions the last couple years. And all those blowout losses? The head coach has to take a big share of the blame in those.
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Why? Is Bowles really the problem there?
He doesn't have enough emotion, which is the biggest criticism I've heard. Its not his fault they are screwed at QB, have injured WR's, an old/aging RB, no TE, and a secondary that's in shambles.
It's not? Forgetting the old offense, which presumably he was on board with, who the hell should get the blame for the "secondary that's in shambles"? In reality, the only thing that happened to that high dollar secondary is that Revis has been hurt. He has not developed anything in the back end and who gets the blame for all the miscommunication? He is a defensive back coach for love of God!
It is not his lack of emotion that causes genius moves like kicking an extra point up 12 with four minutes left against the Bills or punt twice in the fourth quarter on 4th and less than two down 11 against the Steelers.
Discipline? Isn't that what a coach is supposed to demand?
I'm talking about the personnel. His is shit. Their DB's in recent drafts have been poor, Revis is done as an elite CB, and Skrine wouldn't play for the Giants (i'm half serious). Of course he desrves blame for other things, but its just like any other coach with a shit roster. What does hiring TC accomplish other than starting over yet again? The same TC who had many of the coaching blunders with clock management, discipline problems, and the unwillingness to adapt his strategy.
I love TC, but the Jets would be pretty stupid to go after him. They are a decade late.
Your worse nightmare ;-)
Same two that agreed that TC age and etc were a factor with the giants.
Sounds about right for these two dopes
Look, nothing against Bowles. He paid his dues. He deserves a full shot. But he got the job because the writers torpedoed Doug Marrone. He should have been Woodman's choice. They brought in an X-Cuse assistant, Bob Casullo, thrice fired, most recently by HCDM, a drunk who went on a libel spree against Doug, both in print and on the airways. They PC geeked the choice. In my opinion, Woody made the wrong choice. If you're Coughlin, do you want to work for that weak a guy? Testicles of a field mouse. I don't think so.
I don't think the Jets would fire Bowles after year 2. Francesca mentioned on his Sunday NFL show that teams who fire there coaches frequently is indicative of a team that just doesn't know what it's doing.
UConn, he may have had a hand in some of the personnel decisions that the GM has made, but I agree with you, the personnel is very uneven, QB a mess, etc., as you and others have said. But the lack of emotion? I think he's very much a players' coach and they dig that. I don't watch much of the Jets' games carefully if at all, but it seems he's made some questionable decisions.
But, with a marginal roster (taken as a whole), which NFL coach doesn't?
I love TC, but the Jets would be pretty stupid to go after him. They are a decade late.
They aren't that shitty IMO. I agree that Coughlin would be a bad play. He is old and that would be the little brother shit all over again. OTOH, many of the problems that the Jets are facing were caused by Bowles. He is supposed to be able to scheme a D and if you think there isn't talent on that D you are delusional. Revis has been hurt. He isn't worth the money he gets, but I think you will see a resurgence in him next year.
More importantly, Maccagnan is his hand picked GM. When they did that coaching search, they basically picked them in tandem because they could work together. This isn't like Ryan being saddled with Idzik dismantling the roster. If there is a problem with the DBs that is on Bowles.
I think they made a big mistake paying Fitzpatrick all that money because now they are stuck. They picked him as a starter. If they stuck to their guns and rolled with Geno and Petty they would have taken their lumps and had a built in excuse. They also probably could have rolled that $12M forward to next year's cap.
As it is, this season is putting them on the hot seat and without a QB, they are going to have to make a splash this offseason. Needing to make a splash is NOT the way to build a team.
Coughlin is a terrible fit for this team. Coughlin is a better fit for a team like Indy with a new GM there.
They need to identify and commit to a rebuild plan starting with a QB. If they completely tank and have a high pick I wonder if they consider another QB or stick with Hackenberg.
They have issues on their offensive line now too and their secondary is a mess. Their core guys like Mangold, Harris, Revis, Marshall are all getting older and losing a step.
Bowles has some head coaching issues but no more than MacAdoo himself has. Macagnan as GM as an enormous job in front of him.
Giants are in much better shape the next two or three years or so than the Jets.
Re-signing Fitzpatrick was fine. Paying him real starter money marries them to him and "playoff aspirations" + 1-5 = coach/GM on the hot seat. Idzik was an idiot, but that does not change what Bowles is doing and what he is doing isn't good. If you want to talk about the past - Terry Bradway was banging the table for Russell Wilson in the draft. Big whoop. The past is over. Other teams passed on those guys and survived. The Jets shouldn't have become the Browns overnight.
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I'm talking about the personnel. His is shit. Their DB's in recent drafts have been poor, Revis is done as an elite CB, and Skrine wouldn't play for the Giants (i'm half serious). Of course he desrves blame for other things, but its just like any other coach with a shit roster. What does hiring TC accomplish other than starting over yet again? The same TC who had many of the coaching blunders with clock management, discipline problems, and the unwillingness to adapt his strategy.
I love TC, but the Jets would be pretty stupid to go after him. They are a decade late.
They aren't that shitty IMO. I agree that Coughlin would be a bad play. He is old and that would be the little brother shit all over again. OTOH, many of the problems that the Jets are facing were caused by Bowles. He is supposed to be able to scheme a D and if you think there isn't talent on that D you are delusional. Revis has been hurt. He isn't worth the money he gets, but I think you will see a resurgence in him next year.
More importantly, Maccagnan is his hand picked GM. When they did that coaching search, they basically picked them in tandem because they could work together. This isn't like Ryan being saddled with Idzik dismantling the roster. If there is a problem with the DBs that is on Bowles.
I think they made a big mistake paying Fitzpatrick all that money because now they are stuck. They picked him as a starter. If they stuck to their guns and rolled with Geno and Petty they would have taken their lumps and had a built in excuse. They also probably could have rolled that $12M forward to next year's cap.
As it is, this season is putting them on the hot seat and without a QB, they are going to have to make a splash this offseason. Needing to make a splash is NOT the way to build a team.
I didn't say the defense doesn't have talent, their front 7 is awesome. Their secondary is miserable though and I can't fault Bowles there. He has a diminished Revis and scraps. If Revis was the Revis of old they would be able to get by, but he's getting burned left and right. Its a mess.
Parcels won 3 games his 1st year. You don't fire a guy 20 games into a run unless there's cause & while he made mistakes, they're not fireable. As I said, the previous administration made some whoppers and they're not that good but Beningo & Evan are clowns for wanting to fire this coach now
I generally agree with you, so I don't like going round and round, but...
That is his hand picked secondary. They are paying Skrine a ton of money. They are paying Gilchrist a ton of money. They liked Williams which is why they dumped Cromartie. Pryor seemed fine last year. Secondary is Bowles wheelhouse. If he can't handle that, what can he handle?
It isn't the front 7 that is awesome, it is the Dline. The LBs are kind of subpar. They have the fidget Lee 1st rounder, Harris, Erin Henderson inside and some young questionable guys outside (Mauldin, Jenkins, Catapano). Worse the Dline is all big 3-4 DE/DT types. Wilkerson, Richardson and Williams are all great, but they are very similar. They don't have a pass rush specialist or edge guy and because Richardson is the most versatile Bowles uses him out of position which causes issues like last night where he is at LB but too slow to get to the edge.
I don't think they should fire Bowles, but looking this bad with a $12M QB is going to leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth. There isn't much hope for next year either, unless they think that Petty or Hackenburg will be ready (not likely).
Didn't they resign the QB that had the best season ever as a jets QB? Which is what all the JET fans were praying for...
Lol...sure he will. The Jags are going to win a super bowl with Tom Coughlin? Really....