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Sean McDonough on the Air Blames Officiating for Bad Ratings

Mr. Bungle : 10/18/2016 10:46 am
This was noted in the MNF thread, but in case anyone didn't watch the game and hear this live, it was really something, in my opinion.

In the 3rd quarter, with Jerome Boger's inept officiating crew throwing flags left and right -- several of them unjustified -- the game became almost unbearable to watch.

And then, Sean McDonough, the Monday Night Football play-by-play announcer, says this:

“If we’re looking for reasons why TV ratings for the NFL are down all over the place, this doesn’t help. The way this game has been officiated is not something anybody wants to watch.”

The NFL could not have been happy with this. Massive kudos to McDonough for not holding back. And even Gruden, who is not well-loved here for understandable reasons, got in on the criticism.

Enough with Tripplette and Boger. This league must fire both of them for good.

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how about bad games and Jon Gruden? No way I'm going to  
Victor in CT : 10/18/2016 10:48 am : link
subject myself to that asshole for 3 hrs for a game I don't care about.

Again, it's not the refs fault. It's the ridiculously large and overly complex rule book. The NFL must have used the US Tax code as its model for the rule book.
yep - I heard it and I thought  
The Turk : 10/18/2016 10:49 am : link
Sean is one and done on MNF - he'll be doing Boise State games next year
The product stinks  
The_Boss : 10/18/2016 10:49 am : link
No question. And last night was unwatchable. But, I'm of the belief that the election has a lot to do with it. Does anyone know if the ratings are up on the news channels on Sunday afternoons? I'm sure they are.
I was perfectly happy flipping between the baseball game  
Victor in CT : 10/18/2016 10:51 am : link
and the Rangers-Sharks.
What's the supposed connection with the election?  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2016 10:51 am : link
People are so depressed about it that they're deciding to forgo NFL games? That makes no sense.
Are there really people..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/18/2016 10:51 am : link
not watching football so they can turn it on FoxNews or CNN on a Sunday PM? Really?
agree with Greg and Fats.  
Victor in CT : 10/18/2016 10:52 am : link
I'd be interested to know how MLB playoffs are doing ratings wise vs. last year.
The first two presidential elections went up against -- and beat --  
Mr. Bungle : 10/18/2016 10:53 am : link
prime-time NFL games.

I think that's what people mean by that angle.
RE: What's the supposed connection with the election?  
giants#1 : 10/18/2016 10:53 am : link
In comment 13179960 Greg from LI said:
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People are so depressed about it that they're deciding to forgo NFL games? That makes no sense.


Weren't the debates during a SNF and MNF game respectively?
he's right  
UConn4523 : 10/18/2016 10:55 am : link
talking about it with the 11 guys in my fantasy chat this morning. Out of the 12 of us, half watched the game. Of the 6, 3 are Jets fans and otherwise wouldn't have watched. The other 3 had fantasy implications and also turned it off in the 3rd quarter.

19 penalties, awful QB play, and Gruden = no chance I watch unless its the Giants.
Certainly  
Beer Man : 10/18/2016 11:03 am : link
wasn't a good week for the Zebras. They cost the Falcons a possible win, almost cost the Giants a win, and stunk it up in other games
I wasn't watching  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2016 11:04 am : link
but listening on the radio - and it seemed every other play there was a penalty. It's awful.
RE: The product stinks  
bradshaw44 : 10/18/2016 11:04 am : link
In comment 13179955 The_Boss said:
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No question. And last night was unwatchable. But, I'm of the belief that the election has a lot to do with it. Does anyone know if the ratings are up on the news channels on Sunday afternoons? I'm sure they are.


The only remote way the election has an affect is when the debates are at the same time. Other than that there is no corrrelation.
I think he's right  
moespree : 10/18/2016 11:05 am : link
I also think he'll be removed as the play by play guy next season because of it. For me the NFL is unwatchable. The worst it's ever been in my life. I can only watch Giants games and even they, at times, are a struggle.
When's the last time you saw an incomplete pass on 3rd down  
Mr. Bungle : 10/18/2016 11:07 am : link
involving tight coverage, with the wide receiver NOT looking around for a flag?

It's just what you do now if you're a receiver and you can't haul in the pass.
RE: RE: What's the supposed connection with the election?  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2016 11:09 am : link
In comment 13179964 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13179960 Greg from LI said:


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People are so depressed about it that they're deciding to forgo NFL games? That makes no sense.



Weren't the debates during a SNF and MNF game respectively?


It's not as if the ratings were any good on all the nights when there hasn't been a debate, either.
I'm grinning ear to ear at the NFL's failures this year.  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/18/2016 11:13 am : link
It's about time they're held accountable for their hypocritical, uneven standards for disciplining athletes, their relentless quest to cater to money-spending, old white people and take the personality out of the game (banning custom cleats, banning certain touchdown celebrations, etc.), and countless other transgressions that Roger Goodell has always seemed to get away with.

It's a league that doesn't take care of it's own, uses their athletes when necessary, and will vilify them if they even think the public is judging. And all of this doesn't even touch the terrible officiating, or the AWFUL rule changes that have damaged the game we all love in lieu of more points and more passing (amazing the concept of watering down your product never crossed their minds).

I hope it continues.
This election season is a grease fire  
Frank from CA : 10/18/2016 11:14 am : link
I seriously doubt that its drawing fans away from live football. I think less people are watching. Young people do stuff. Whether its my sons or the young professionals that I work with: Football competes with activities. Its still big, but younger fans do not even have television packages. They stream if they are near their monitors. I think the product needs help and they are too many commercial breaks.
The idea that fans should form a grass roots group illustrating this  
montanagiant : 10/18/2016 11:19 am : link
IS actually a good idea. Even call out the talking heads who refuse to address it
agreed  
UConn4523 : 10/18/2016 11:19 am : link
people said I'd watch anyway, well...I haven't. I watch the Giants, and I can't even stomach the rest of the games. I fill my Sundays with yard work, starting dinner early, and spending time with my wife and daughter. I spend more time on Saturdays watching College Football and Soccer.
RE: This election season is a grease fire  
montanagiant : 10/18/2016 11:20 am : link
In comment 13180006 Frank from CA said:
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I seriously doubt that its drawing fans away from live football. I think less people are watching. Young people do stuff. Whether its my sons or the young professionals that I work with: Football competes with activities. Its still big, but younger fans do not even have television packages. They stream if they are near their monitors. I think the product needs help and they are too many commercial breaks.

I agree, the election is so toxic that iot actually is turning people off. Look at the last Debates ratings, one of the worst in history
Has the sensitive NFL fired Sean yet?  
Giants2012 : 10/18/2016 11:22 am : link
Doesn't he know this is the greatest game played by the greatest athletes and provides the greatest entertainment?
It's been the biggest issue for me for a quite a few years now.  
Motley Two : 10/18/2016 11:23 am : link
(Closely followed by too many night games)

Not that there are penalties & flags, but inconsistencies in how games are officiated and having too much impact on the games. It's utterly ridiculous that I know any officials name and have to hear days in advance which crew is calling the next Giants game. I like the sport and I like watching the best players in the world compete at it and that's about it. The NFL as a product is pretty shit and has been for a while.
RE: RE: This election season is a grease fire  
giants#1 : 10/18/2016 11:27 am : link
In comment 13180014 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13180006 Frank from CA said:


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I seriously doubt that its drawing fans away from live football. I think less people are watching. Young people do stuff. Whether its my sons or the young professionals that I work with: Football competes with activities. Its still big, but younger fans do not even have television packages. They stream if they are near their monitors. I think the product needs help and they are too many commercial breaks.


I agree, the election is so toxic that iot actually is turning people off. Look at the last Debates ratings, one of the worst in history


Didn't the first debate set a record?

MNF is just an awful production with the commentators  
Jimmy Googs : 10/18/2016 11:37 am : link
they have. I enjoy NFL games more than most sports but find it unwatchable. Last night for example I tried several times to stay tuned in but found myself channel surfing most of evening...for anything else.

Bad ratings due to officiating issues...i can see that as well to some degree.

I also think in today's world, people have less patience for 3 hours in a row of sports television without interruption.

Add in election year and probably have rough numbers...
I'm not watching the night games anymore...  
Britt in VA : 10/18/2016 11:38 am : link
and it has nothing to do with the debates, it has to do with the product.

And I'm one that used to watch every game available.
It's largely been the hobby I've dropped  
Enoch : 10/18/2016 11:38 am : link
due to time pressures associated with Baby #2.

I the ads less tolerable, and the growing shame over watching young men sacrifice their physical and mental well being for my entertainment makes watching the game a lot less satisfying.

Also, the degree to which arbitrary factors like injuries and officiating "judgment" drive results is just frustrating. The game, and the discussions of it, feels more like this every day.
The NFL  
dep026 : 10/18/2016 11:39 am : link
quality of product is the worst of all the 4 major sports, and worse than Soccer as well.

Too long
too many penalties
too many commercials
Worse than soccer?  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2016 11:41 am : link
Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not get carried away here. Watching an endless loop of Small Wonder reruns beats soccer.
Giants #1  
Frank from CA : 10/18/2016 11:42 am : link
My comments are not about the actual debate(s). I was speaking about the non debate MNF and the Sunday Ratings. I did hear that the Monday Debate (several weeks ago) set a ratings record.
It isn't enjoyable when  
Randy in CT : 10/18/2016 11:43 am : link
the refs fuck shit up, however, I'm not going to skip a Giants game due to officiating. I'm going to bitch about it afterwards.
RE: RE: RE: This election season is a grease fire  
Giants2012 : 10/18/2016 11:44 am : link
In comment 13180027 giants#1 said:
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I agree, the election is so toxic that iot actually is turning people off. Look at the last Debates ratings, one of the worst in history



Didn't the first debate set a record?


It was the highest rated of all-time.
Stop attacking Boger  
Big Al : 10/18/2016 11:45 am : link
He was good enough to be assigned a Super Bowl. (Speak about the fix being in that year).
It's not a good product  
BurlyMan : 10/18/2016 11:45 am : link
The rule changes in favor of the passing game
The inconsistent interpretation of rules one and off the field
The ramifications of the collective bargaining agreement (less practice time)
The mandate to overturn fewer calls during review
Penalizing celebrations but not teams that put players at risk by letting them play with head injuries
Global expansion and Thursday Night Football
The decision to forbid teams and news orgs from using GIFs
Even the website is a joke and is no-go zone unless you want to watch commercials while you're looking for a freaking score
The NFL is an organization more interested in selling its product than improving it. They better start focusing on the fans they have today before they decide to pull the plug.
It's nice to see Goodell's constant emphasis on the short term  
widmerseyebrow : 10/18/2016 11:45 am : link
finally starting to backfire. Hopefully it continues, the owners panic and he gets kicked to the curb.
RE: Worse than soccer?  
dep026 : 10/18/2016 11:47 am : link
In comment 13180062 Greg from LI said:
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not get carried away here. Watching an endless loop of Small Wonder reruns beats soccer.


Soccer has continuous action. No timeouts, no commericals. It has appeal to people.
Supposedly in 1980  
Essex : 10/18/2016 11:50 am : link
the NFL ratings tanked as well, so the theory, I guess is that people,are tuning into different things. It seems like a silly theory, for more than half the country who is in the Eastern and Central Time Zones the election doesn't even compete with the NFL as the main Sunday news programs are over by 1. Also, the debates may explain why their was some slippage for those two games, but it doesn't nearly explain the wholsesale decline. I think the product being watered down and hard to watch is the reason and the election is an excuse to buy them time.
RE: The NFL  
MetsAreBack : 10/18/2016 11:51 am : link
In comment 13180060 dep026 said:
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quality of product is the worst of all the 4 major sports, and worse than Soccer as well.

Too long
too many penalties
too many commercials


Baseball is still worse. 4.5 hours game 5, Nats vs Dodgers. End debate. Won't comment on soccer, dont watch it enough.

They do need to make an example of some of these referees, no question about that. Even college suspends refs after bad calls & games... NFL should follow suit.

I dont think ratings are down because of the elections.. that was 1-2 games. I'm not sure how ratings are calculated, but i know personally i watch less live games and more red zone and other related... ratings were only up in the first place because of fantasy football. I dont think the concussion research has helped either.
When nobody knows what constitutes  
Gman11 : 10/18/2016 11:53 am : link
a catch then the rule book is the problem.

And there are other things...penalty for not having enough players on the line...or too many...OL moves a finger and gets a penalty for false start...

It appears that there is a penalty call on every other play. There is no flow to the game. You know why a QB throws for 300 yards and they only scored 10 points? Because half of those yards were to make up for silly little penalties. And, I'm only exaggerating a little bit.
RE: RE: The NFL  
dep026 : 10/18/2016 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13180092 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13180060 dep026 said:


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quality of product is the worst of all the 4 major sports, and worse than Soccer as well.

Too long
too many penalties
too many commercials



Baseball is still worse. 4.5 hours game 5, Nats vs Dodgers. End debate. Won't comment on soccer, dont watch it enough.

They do need to make an example of some of these referees, no question about that. Even college suspends refs after bad calls & games... NFL should follow suit.

I dont think ratings are down because of the elections.. that was 1-2 games. I'm not sure how ratings are calculated, but i know personally i watch less live games and more red zone and other related... ratings were only up in the first place because of fantasy football. I dont think the concussion research has helped either.


playoff baseball should not be considered due to the fact that it is purposely stretched out.
I Guess I've Become A 'Get Off My Lawn' Guy  
Trainmaster : 10/18/2016 12:06 pm : link
but I agree with most of the sentiments expressed here.

The game has been "dumbed down" to appeal to the masses. Reasons I watch less and I'm less passionate:

1) Rule changes to take defense out of the game (I'm all for player safety changes though)
2) Consistently bad officiating
3) Fantasy football only fans who know little about the game

we've all said that  
mattlawson : 10/18/2016 12:22 pm : link
0) Goodell

1) rules changes while at the same time inconsistency as to how they are applied

2) reviews taking forever and often getting the call wrong

3) the rise of hd streaming

4) the rise of gamepass, commercial free condensed game play

5) increased fines and penalties for celebration - it's supposed to be entertainment, not church. speaking of which, god bless Antonio Brown for pointing at the hypocrisy

6) people have lives, and since the sport is now seemingly played and replayed everywhere to your personal tasted - we're going to miss games here and there.
this game is the way it is  
Rory : 10/18/2016 12:31 pm : link
because the fans made it that way. So quit bitching about everything.
Supersaturation  
area junc : 10/18/2016 12:31 pm : link
is the problem. The officiating has always stunk
Whoever said there should be full-time officials  
SimpleMan : 10/18/2016 12:39 pm : link
is right. These guys have regular jobs during the week then fly to the games. They should be full time, and be training and reviewing calls and rules all week long, and should be held more accountable for terrible calls. My understanding now is that the penalty for refs for doing bad jobs is not getting the big games. Still, there are TONS of downright terrible calls every week, including some that they get wrong even after a replay.
The product sucks but I'm still not giving up my Sundays  
aimrocky : 10/18/2016 12:42 pm : link
and I have two young kids. They're too young to care that its football, but they associate football sunday's as an event, so they get just as excited as I do.
2 words  
old man : 10/18/2016 12:47 pm : link
Goodbye Sean!
2 words  
old man : 10/18/2016 12:47 pm : link
Goodbye Sean!
You can't criticize officials  
old man : 10/18/2016 12:48 pm : link
that way, true as it is, w/o a top down spanking.
I Agree with the Above  
Bob in Vt : 10/18/2016 12:52 pm : link
But will throw in the fact that I just cannot stomach Jon Gruden. He is absolutely horrible, annoying and does nothing to make me interested in the game.

I'd rather watch anything than listen to him.

I really miss John Madden in his prime. He talked football.
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