Pass Interference -- reviewable??

too much is at stake. Too many bad calls. Too may games changed by these calls. If the idea around instant replay was to make sure that the game is called correctly, then they will have to include certain penalties.

Flags for blows to the head too. There have been some calls that were simply hard hits with no helmet contact.

sudden decision for an official to make in sports. The only other decision that can have as much impact on a game is awarding a penalty in Soccer. But rules for awarding a penalty are much clearly defined and happen in a smaller defined area.

I dont blame the refs for getting these wrong half the time its very hard to make these calls while running 40 yards down the field at full speed trying to determine whether or not contact is "marginal" or "excessive".

Except the call on Cromartie - that was inexcusable!

All PIs = 15 yard penalty.

In comment 13180711 Gmen703 said:

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All PIs = 15 yard penalty.

I don't like that idea because any time a guy gets beat long he will just mug the receiver. It would make the game even worse.

In comment 13180836 steve in ky said:

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In comment 13180711 Gmen703 said: Quote: All PIs = 15 yard penalty. I don't like that idea because any time a guy gets beat long he will just mug the receiver. It would make the game even worse.

Agreed, they should at least make offensive PI a loss of down though.

Specially with the new rules where basically you cant lay a finger on the receiver 5 yards from the LOS.

Same thing with holding by the OL... based on the rules there's probably a little hold on every play.

You start reviewing any of those and put it under a microscope to re-watch everything in slow motion then you'll find a penalty almost every time. Its bad for the game, worse for the fans you watch.

Bad idea IMO

put some limits on it. Maybe only on plays beyond 35 yards and to take that a step further maybe only then if within the last five min of either the half or the game.

That way it would come up that often and only on big plays at crucial moments of the game.

but the way the NFL rules have evolved, it wouldn't surprise me if replay was expanded to include penalties that were not called or called penalties that were bogus, making officiating more and more complex. The NFL tweaking it's interpretation of what is interference or holding has led to this. Rules favor the offense generally: can't touch a receiver past 5 yards, linemen are allowed to hold as long as it's not outside the defenders body/shoulders, defensive players can't hit the QB high or low, can't hit defenseless receivers in the head/shoulder area (which I actually support), and so on. On the other hand, I can't stand how defenders are allowed to have their arm around the back of receivers while they reach out in front of the defender to bat the ball down, as long as they don't affect the motion of the receiver. I think defenders should have to make the decision to either cover and tackle or make the move to block or intercept the ball, not both. Defenders take more and more liberty with that and receivers learn to make it look like their movement has been affected to draw a flag. It's crazy, but what can you do? It would be great if players just played within the rules without trying to take advantage of, or fool the officials, but that's not happening. Offensive and defensive players try to get every advantage by pushing the rules to their limits and their coaches coach them on how to do it. What are you going to do? There should be more emphasis on making more accurate calls and not on looking for petty personal foul calls to throw players out of games because Beckham and Norman (yea, mainly Beckham) made the league look bad last year. But that too could have been handled with an ejection under the current rules last year, instead of adding another layer of complexity to the rules of the game with this mandatory ejection for 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. What a mess. I love this game.

given the yardage at stake.

However the NFL desperately wants to protect its refs from scrutiny for some reason.

the PI penalty has so much impact it can turn the whole game. However, reviewing them will slow the game down a lot.

the same process that we have now. Coaches will have to throw the flag. Possible booth review at the end of the game or on plays in the end zone.

where they're reviewing a defensive pass interference but notice a clear offensive pass interference committed by the same player?

game. The NFL also needs to do away with the spot of the foul rule. PI should be a 10 yard penalty and a 1st down. There should be no 50, 60, 70 yard penalties.

The call is so subjective, we'd get just about everyone of them "stands as called". It's not cut and dried like a foot being in bounds,ball hitting the ground, or a knee down before a fumble. I think it would be a very rare instance where there'd be enough conclusive evidence to overturn a call. Then throw in the time factor as they'd no doubt have to look at multiple angles, and it would just bog the game down more and more.

I'm more for either adding another official downfield to help get a better look, and also teaching, prepping or whatever is needed to get the officials being used now better at what is a PI and what should/shouldn't be called.

If that means full time refs, so be it. Get them watching film, practicing, training to be fit and in better shape to get in better position. Whatever is needed.

Even when slowed down you can t get people to agree on what is and what isn t PI. Many / most believe DRC did not commit a foul. Yet Herm Edwards said he did.

several seasons now it s called too much. Instruct officials to allinfor more contact. Use common sense was it aggregious to the point that the defender gained unfair advantage.

to flag DRC for interference? i dont know what game those zebra's were watching but it wasnt this one, if anything the baltimore WR offensively pass interfered with DRC to me the best answer was probably to let it go and call nothing instead the very nearly handed the game to baltimore instead

lucky beckham exploded and won them the game but it should have been 4th down the giants get the ball back and run the clock for the win not the way the officials allowed this game to end

fed up with nonsense calls like this getting called while far more egregious calls in several games this year already not getting called in the giants favour

at least give the officials the ability to review the play themselves as plays like this can decide the outcome of a game,maybe a replay after the event instead of a snap judgement would help

In comment 13181113 joeinpa said:

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Many / most believe DRC did not commit a foul. Yet Herm Edwards said he did.

Herm is wrong. When DRC is looking back at the ball, he has as much right to get himself into position to make the catch as the WR does.

lesser point of emphasis if it was simply called consistently. Look at what happens now. If a flag comes out, even on a play as bad as the DRC one, you have announcers that will speculate that a slight brush of the jersey is what was called and use it to rationalize the call.

If they stopped calling ridiculous aspects that don't impact the play, it would be a start. Calling defensive holding on 3rd and 15 because a WR brushed by a defender is bullshit.

What they need to do is decide those things that tangibly affect the outcome of the play or the player. Not incidental contact or "contact" that the WR initiates as he's making a move.

What we are seeing now is a result of years of slanting the rules to the offense and over-officiating.

Make the crews use the whistles less.

The reviews are constantly wrong. Fix the refs and the enforcement. Changing the process in order to fix shitty employees and inconsistent enforcement isn't a solution.

In comment 13180846 giantgiantfan said:

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In comment 13180836 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 13180711 Gmen703 said: They mug the receiver anyway..typically a guy knows he is beat within the first few steps of the route or after a double move and will hold before the ball in even in the air and get only a 5 yard penalty Quote: All PIs = 15 yard penalty. I don't like that idea because any time a guy gets beat long he will just mug the receiver. It would make the game even worse. Agreed, they should at least make offensive PI a loss of down though.

Of course PI will eventually become subject to replay, because that would mean 3 or 4 more commercial breaks during each broadcast - probably more, because it will be called without impunity. (not that is isn't already) That is why the calls have been so horrible this year. It is all part of the master plan to earn the NFL more advertising dollars.

I have news for you the refs will still fuck shit up.

Less rules less ambiguity less bullshit. Please.

getting rid of pass interference and just leaving it at offensive or defensive holding. a 45 yard penalty is just not acceptable.