in getting O'Dell the ball to the fact that the Ravens were playing "Cover 1"
Claims they still have not solved the "Cover 2 " dilemma and that until they do the things you have to do to beat it, Run the ball, use the tight end, they will continue to struggle.
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Even Amani is an idiot. The Cover 2 shell in a 3-4 is very very different than a 4-3 cover 2. The CBs end up playing much deeper and make it a cover 3 essentially with a SS in the box. We threw the 10-15 yard outs and attacked the flats and hook zones which we hadn't done against the 4-3 teams. That forced the CBs to jump routes sooner and we were able to dictate late in the game. This isn't atom splitting, it's 3-4 vs. 4-3 and understanding what you're seeing.
This might be the dumbest post I have read this season. Cover 2 is using two safeties whose responsibilities is deep half's. The CB's have the flats.
In a 4-3 your two OLB have Hook to Curl and your Mike has the middle. The problem is almost no team is in a tradition 4-3 including the Giants and almost no team is consistently in a traditional 3-4. If the CB's are playing deeper it has nothing to do with the 3-4 or 4-3 front and everything to do with the personnel, the call and what the coordinator is trying to do.
Well, Toomer might be an idiot but he's not totally wrong here and Joey's post isn't the dumbest on BBI this year.
The Ravens were playing Cover One a lot of the time due to blitz packages and injuries and to restate the obvious, the Giants lack a running game or an effective pass catching TE which makes Cover Two look like Fort Knox security.
Joey's post is a basic blueprint of how the different forms of Cover Two work with a 3-4 as opposed to a 4-3.
djstat is also correct that different coordinators have their own variations on the defense and that personnel and what the coordinator is trying to do dictate whether the corners are up or deep.
I think Armani, Joey and djstat should meet for lunch, hash it out and get back to us with a cumulative answer that we can all agree on.
Also, Giants almost never run to the outside, so the LBers are pinching in.
McAdoo's response has been to try and disguise his inside runs by running out of the shotgun and various other forms of deception. It has not really been that successful. The short passing game has also not been consistent because the offense is not forcing the LBers to get depth.
McAdoo started to adjust in the second half against the Ravens by running mulitple options at the safeties and forcing them to make decisions. That's how Odell broke the first TD. Safety covered the TE and he had the nickel corner one on one. But that requires the OL to give the QB time. McAdoo's conservatism has been more about not exposing his shit OL than it has been about the inability to defeat Cover 2.
THIS. This is and lack of productivity from TEs is the biggest problem. You need one or both aspects to take the pressure off of the WRs and QB. Teams are stuffing our run game and generating pressure on Eli with literally minimal resources, they are also not overly concerned with our below average TEs. This is a huge problem as teams are able to focus their efforts on taking away our WRs.
Also, Giants almost never run to the outside, so the LBers are pinching in.
McAdoo's response has been to try and disguise his inside runs by running out of the shotgun and various other forms of deception. It has not really been that successful. The short passing game has also not been consistent because the offense is not forcing the LBers to get depth.
McAdoo started to adjust in the second half against the Ravens by running mulitple options at the safeties and forcing them to make decisions. That's how Odell broke the first TD. Safety covered the TE and he had the nickel corner one on one. But that requires the OL to give the QB time. McAdoo's conservatism has been more about not exposing his shit OL than it has been about the inability to defeat Cover 2.
Vanzetti solid post dood.
Also, Giants almost never run to the outside, so the LBers are pinching in.
McAdoo's response has been to try and disguise his inside runs by running out of the shotgun and various other forms of deception. It has not really been that successful. The short passing game has also not been consistent because the offense is not forcing the LBers to get depth.
McAdoo started to adjust in the second half against the Ravens by running mulitple options at the safeties and forcing them to make decisions. That's how Odell broke the first TD. Safety covered the TE and he had the nickel corner one on one. But that requires the OL to give the QB time. McAdoo's conservatism has been more about not exposing his shit OL than it has been about the inability to defeat Cover 2.
Cover 2 is not designed to stop the short passing game, it is designed to stop the deep passing game.
Matt Bowen breaks it down here. - ( New Window )
SD - Gates and Henry have 31
Philly - 3 TE's have 25
KC - Kelce & Harris - 31
Only 4 TE's have over 30 catches
The TE's are open - this offense does not utilize them well enough
I don't believe so. The two safeties are deep to prevent the big play. CB's generally play up and try to jam the WR's knowing they have help over the top. The safeties are positioned the way they are to prevent 9's and corners which are deep routes. You're putting a shell over the top and trying to force an inside release to prevent the middle of the field from opening up.
When you play C2 and have a strong front 4, you're dropping 7 and preventing the offense from getting behind you.. you're keeping everything in front.
There's a reason why we keep checking into inside handoffs out of the gun. The box is light when we use 3 WR sets as we usually do and we should be able to run the football effectively but we're still not very good at it and can't exploit it.
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If you've got a top 5 run defense like GB, Minn and Balt do. Wait till some run of the mill run defense tries it.
Exactly
The Saints did the same thing, and their run defense... not so hot. Actually they seem to have set the blueprint. They stifled us. On the TEs I'm less worried about their pass catching ability then the absolute ZERO they add to helping an already mediocre OL with blocking.
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If you've got a top 5 run defense like GB, Minn and Balt do. Wait till some run of the mill run defense tries it.
Exactly
The Saints did the same thing, and their run defense... not so hot. Actually they seem to have set the blueprint. They stifled us.
The story of that game was two easily dropped touchdowns. The Saints really didn't stifle anything.
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In comment 13181011 djm said:
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In comment 13180953 BillT said:
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If you've got a top 5 run defense like GB, Minn and Balt do. Wait till some run of the mill run defense tries it.
Exactly
The Saints did the same thing, and their run defense... not so hot. Actually they seem to have set the blueprint. They stifled us.
The story of that game was two easily dropped touchdowns. The Saints really didn't stifle anything.
TTH absolutely, I should have been more clear. Specifically they stifled our running game. Opposing defenses are not worried about our run or short passing game.... and Teams with better defenses are shutting us down. And our (lack of) T.O.P. is going to wear our defenders out by mid season.