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| Giants kicker Josh Brown admitted to physical abuse toward his wife on multiple occasions in emailed letters, personal journal entries and counseling exercises, according to police documents obtained by NJ Advance Media. The written admissions were evidence in an investigation file by a King County (Wash.) Sheriff Department detective that concluded with two charges of fourth-degree domestic violence against Brown being recommended to the King County Prosecuting Attorney on Sept. 14, 2016. According to police documents, Det. Robin L. Ostrum found there was probable cause for charges after investigating allegations of repeated domestic abuse made by Brown's then-wife after Brown was arrested on May 22, 2015 on a charge of domestic violence. It is not clear the status of the recommended charges. A message left with the prosecuting attorney's office has not yet been returned. Brown was suspended one game by the NFL for violating the league's personal conduct policy. That punishment received significant national backlash, as did the Giants' decision to retain Brown. But Giants president and CEO John Mara expressed full confidence in Brown and the decision to keep the kicker, saying the Giants had investigated the situation. The latest release of documents, and Brown's written admissions, could be cause for the NFL to re-open its case and hand down further punishment to Brown. In the police documents is a photocopy of a "contract" through a Seattle-area counselor dated March 28, 2013 and signed by Brown in which he admits one of his "offenses" is that "I have physically, verbally and emotionally abused my wife." In a letter to friends from Brown in March of 2014, also included in the police documents, Brown writes that "... I become an abuser and hurt [his wife] physically, emotionally and verbally." In a personal journal entry attributed to Brown that appears to be from 2013 and is also included in the police documents, he writes: "I have physically, mentally, emotionally and verbally been a repulsive man. ... I have abused my wife." Brown also writes in the journal that, "I may need an anger counselor."... |
Not the straw that broke it for me. But if we see more hooliganism and nonsense from these overpaid men children it might get there soon.
BurberryManning : 10:18 pm : link
I went through painstaking detail to underscore why Occam's Razor would've led the reasonable person to conclude that Josh Brown was of poor character but many decried that Josh was innocent until proven guilty.
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cut this dirt bag like they should have weeks ago. Never want to hear someone talk about how the Giants are a 'classy organization.' And people trying to rationalize this should be embarrassed
Black and white as always, the world is grey, try it some time.
You have no idea what went on behind the scenes but you have no problem coming to that conclusion. Must be nice.
I'm sure you probably said the same thing when the Cowboys signed Greg Hardy last year, right? Nuance only comes into play when its shit heads that the giants employ
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You're not on twitter - what the hell is the point of the hashtag?
It's an NFL PSA, starring among others Eli Manning, about not making excuses for DV.
Not saying the hashtag makes sense here, but that is what he was referring to if you didn't know. NFL No More PSA - ( New Window )
Thanks for walking him through that one.
I can't believe anyone who claims to follow the NFL wouldn't understand my post.
Given the Giants decision to stick with Brown, and the fact that he was replaceable, I just assumed that the Giants had access to more evidence than we did, and figured his situation warranted them going out on a limb to protect.
In hindsight - if they knew about any of this, they look really bad, and I have no idea why they'd take that risk and retain his services.
People who go through the counseling sessions successfully should get second chances.
Second time offenders should get serious jail time.
My $.02.
Based on your posting history, I'm pretty sure you're routinely in need of a shower.
This is a bad guy.
"In many of the emails and journals, Josh seems to be apologetic and often filled with self-loathing for his actions."
Never change, Ralph.
Am I missing something? Did Ralph write this story?
Why Lewis?
Charged as a high-school student with two counts of rape arising from incidents with the same alleged victim that occurred 36 days apart in December 2011 and January 2012, Lewis eventually landed at Bowling Green and did well enough to get a shot to make an NFL roster.
Things had to make me stronger as a 18-year-old going through hard times, Lewis told the New York Post. I think I feel very prepared because, you know, situations make or break you.
The situation nearly broke him. Acquitted by a jury on one rape charge, the jury couldnt agree on a verdict as to the second charge. With a second trial on that charge approaching, Lewis pleaded guilty to providing false information to police.
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Josh Brown's ex-wife alleged NFL, some Giants players knew of kicker's abusive behavior ... http://on.sny.tv/2eiN2wD
That's basically where I'm at. Not sure we will ever know, but I can't see them knowing all of these details and still keeping him. Either way, this is disappointing. Its impossible to root for people like him.
Didnt and still don't understand the "he only grabbed her wrist" crowd. Been married well over a decade, never hit my wife or grabbed her by the wrist in anger or had the cops or courts involved in our relationship.
From a football perspective, you really have to wonder why the FO and ownership ever went out on a limb for JB. That's not Zeke Elliot or AP or Eli we're talking about. It's a kicker. A kicker.
Anyway - Brown sucks and the team should cut him. I thought the Giants took a stricter stance on stand-out issues such as domestic abuse and frankly surprised if they kept him on the team having already known this information or if this is revelatory to them as well.
Anyway - Brown sucks and the team should cut him. I thought the Giants took a stricter stance on stand-out issues such as domestic abuse and frankly surprised if they kept him on the team having already known this information or if this is revelatory to them as well.
I was just trying to be informative and let you know there was a discussion on it, not trying to be a dick about it.
Some people get all outraged when a 2nd thread gets started on the same topic, that was not my intent or mindset.
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Can anyone dig up the archived threads?
BurberryManning : 10:18 pm : link
I went through painstaking detail to underscore why Occam's Razor would've led the reasonable person to conclude that Josh Brown was of poor character but many decried that Josh was innocent until proven guilty.
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My second thought, which I guess is really a tangent on my first, is that I would not want him cut based on this revelation. He made these statements, admitting his wrongs in an attempt to change. If anything this is the most positive news to come out of this whole shit show.
Given the Giants decision to stick with Brown, and the fact that he was replaceable, I just assumed that the Giants had access to more evidence than we did, and figured his situation warranted them going out on a limb to protect.
In hindsight - if they knew about any of this, they look really bad, and I have no idea why they'd take that risk and retain his services.
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Didn't see your thread (four below mine) - ha.
Anyway - Brown sucks and the team should cut him. I thought the Giants took a stricter stance on stand-out issues such as domestic abuse and frankly surprised if they kept him on the team having already known this information or if this is revelatory to them as well.
I was just trying to be informative and let you know there was a discussion on it, not trying to be a dick about it.
Some people get all outraged when a 2nd thread gets started on the same topic, that was not my intent or mindset.
Don't worry, I didn't get that impression at all. You're one of the few posters I actually communicate with and don't take you to be that kind of "internet guy."
And there was a thread LOL at the jets yesterday?
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How the fuck is that trite bullshit getting applied to me? Read the fucking links on this subject and my points are clear. Wait for the facts to be known and then make a decision.
I don't think I've ever used a "Were you there" line. You might be confusing me with Radar, which is equally as insulting.
cocaine in the wallet thing when people were asking you "where you there?"
You stay on my dick
I thought he was paying homage to it for kicking his ass after he attacked it.
As he is in the limelight for a leading sports team, he needs to get cut and go get help ASAP before the Giants start looking even more stupid
There is no excusing his actions, his abuse. None.
But what this latest bit of information tells us is he's owning this. He not only apologized to her, but he wrote a letter to his friends and family. He's not hiding/denying it. It seems he's admitting his mistakes and seeking help for controlling his anger issues.
We all know the Giants organization at this point, and I have absolutely no doubt they told him either get help or get a new team. Even if you look at it simply from a business perspective, it makes no sense for the Giants to hold onto a kicker they can (relatively) easily replace and absorb unnecessary blowback from the public.
They clearly see someone trying to better himself. Giving him a chance to be better is not mutually exclusive with excusing his actions.
He said in the documents "I have been a repulsive man." This doesn't like someone trying to get any with anything. I trust the Giants to do right here, both by him, his family, and the organization.
Ceded? The notion that the Giants ever had some moral high ground is in and of itself pretty silly. They're a football organization, and unless your only basis for comparison is the Dallas Cowboys the Giants are no different than your average NFL franchise in this respect.
I hate that this guy is still on our roster. And as bad as it is you could at least understand it 1% if this was Eli or Beckham, not that it makes it any better or less distasteful, but at the end of the day it's a business and some assets are too valuable to just cast aside unless your hands are completely tied. Josh Brown does not fit that criteria. I'm sick of looking at him
Ray Rice has owned what he did and he's been blackballed from the league for two years. Yes, what he did was on video and sounds worse in severity than anything Brown has done, but when you start doling out morality and punishment based on perceived severity because one is on video and the other isn't it's a slippery slope.
The NFL and the Giants look awful here and they look inconsistent with their message and justice system. Not a good look.
He committed a crime and took advantage of someone because he was bigger and he could. That's terrible, and he should face punishment in the legal system, but does it mean he should lose his livlyhood forever or have no chance for redemption on a human level?
I'm for giving people second chances. I'm also for sending them to prison for violent offenses especially for repeat behavior.
If they cut him for something that happened three years ago and something he's already addressing from a personal, legal and punishment standpoint, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Like others have said here, don't think it's so black&white.
He needs to be removed. He can come back maybe in a year if someone wants to sign him. But he can't just stay on without it being a major black eye. thats at least my take.
It's not a good look for an image conscious business.
Nationally a lot of people are starting to ask what the NFL knew and when and what the Giants knew and when.
He committed a crime and took advantage of someone because he was bigger and he could. That's terrible, and he should face punishment in the legal system, but does it mean he should lose his livlyhood forever or have no chance for redemption on a human level?
I'm for giving people second chances. I'm also for sending them to prison for violent offenses especially for repeat behavior.
If they cut him for something that happened three years ago and something he's already addressing from a personal, legal and punishment standpoint, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Like others have said here, don't think it's so black&white.
This doesn't look like a one off. From my understanding he admits to abuse on multiple ocassions. This bitch of a man doesn't deserve to be here, especially when it's not as if we are talking about someone who is irreplaceable. Nfl kicking is better and deeper than it has ever been and there are guys on couches right now who wouldn't make you miss this bitch one bit
I don't understand people who want to fight on this hill for his guy.
Meanwhile, I have a very different position on the whole thing. The NFL should not be getting involved with taking positions on topics like domestic violence. Not because it is not an important issue but because they will eventually and up with egg on their faces. The odds are it will happen. The NFL MVP for example could have an incident and then what? The NFL will most likely tap dance around it and then will look bad once again.
To me, NFL players should be treated no differently than someone who has a regular job. If your offense is one that would get you fired from a job at a gas station, then fine you should lose your NFL job. However, if your offense would most likely result in your ability to keep your regular job... then you should not lose your NFL job either.
These are athletes and most of them barely have a 9th grade education. Why would we expect more from them?
Now, as a business owner. If the player is creating a negative situation for my business. Heat from the general public that my business cannot endure and the risk is not worth the reward that this player brings... then I get it.
I agree that at this point, he should be gone. Too much is out there. He is an idiot for keeping a fucking journal. I want to see whether we lose a critical game this year due to a kick from whoever we find to replace him.