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Chris in Philly : 10/20/2016 5:13 pm
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Chris in Philly : 10/20/2016 5:14 pm : link
Josh Brown will not travel with the team to London.

In light of the news reports regarding the documents released by the State of Washington yesterday, we think it makes sense to review this newly disclosed information and to revisit this issue following our trip to London.

The Giants do not condone or excuse any form of domestic violence. Josh has acknowledged that he has issues in his life and has been working on these issues through therapy and counseling for a long period of time.

We remain supportive of Josh and his efforts.
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26.2 : 10/20/2016 5:14 pm : link
wow. so who kicks? the kid from week 1?
Kudos  
Dennis From Madison : 10/20/2016 5:15 pm : link
This is the right decision. If something somehow comes out that makes him more sympathetic they bought themselves a little time. Based on what I know I hope they release him. Still, I don't know what I don't know and there may be more to this.
Wow  
adamg : 10/20/2016 5:16 pm : link
wonder who the kicker is going to be. Too bad Brown's a scumbag...
Right move  
jeff57 : 10/20/2016 5:16 pm : link
Although could be costly
Good.  
Mike from SI : 10/20/2016 5:16 pm : link
I don't care if Beckham winds up being our kicker, sometimes you need to take a stand. (And yes, I do realize that if he were a more "important" player the decision may have come out differently.)
Wow. Good for organization  
rdt288 : 10/20/2016 5:17 pm : link
They don't need this guy and bad energy
It's the right move  
EddieNYG : 10/20/2016 5:19 pm : link
There was no other move.
They shouldnt have resigned him  
Old Dirty Beckham : 10/20/2016 5:20 pm : link
in the first place. Forget the moral high ground a scenario like this always existed. Wasn't worth it.
Could not be prouder  
shelovesnycsports : 10/20/2016 5:21 pm : link
We are not the Dallas Cowboys.
The  
AcidTest : 10/20/2016 5:21 pm : link
right move obviously. But I hope they're not going to cut someone just to keep Brown on the roster because they need another kicker. Cut him now. He's never playing for the Giants again, so why wait?
Giants should stand by their previous decision  
Ivan15 : 10/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
unless he didn't tell them the whole story.
RE: Good.  
mfsd : 10/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13182987 Mike from SI said:
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I don't care if Beckham winds up being our kicker, sometimes you need to take a stand. (And yes, I do realize that if he were a more "important" player the decision may have come out differently.)


I fully admit I really wanted the "not so bad" version of this story to be true, bc he's been a good kicker. But if it's really as bad as it sounds based on this new info, agree 100%.
Right move.  
section125 : 10/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
Get somebody like Bullock and go for two after TDs.
Cut him now. Cleaner  
rdt288 : 10/20/2016 5:23 pm : link
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What sucks  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/20/2016 5:26 pm : link
is that because they had Brown the Giants traded away two GOOD young kickers in McManus and Boswell.

I guess the good news is that they do seem to be gold standard in kicker evaluation.

It's gotta be Randy Bullock this week. Hope he has a passport.
Maybe the league will suspend him this evening  
AnnapolisMike : 10/20/2016 5:26 pm : link
Giving the Giants a roster spot....otherwise probably wise to just cut him.
I assume Bullock has his passport  
BlackLight : 10/20/2016 5:26 pm : link
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RE: The  
giants#1 : 10/20/2016 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13182999 AcidTest said:
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right move obviously. But I hope they're not going to cut someone just to keep Brown on the roster because they need another kicker. Cut him now. He's never playing for the Giants again, so why wait?


Maybe seeing if they can place him on commissioners exempt list so they have time to process the info.
Of course he's not  
ZogZerg : 10/20/2016 5:29 pm : link
There was no way he was going once that new info came out.
Agree. This was the right thing to do.  
Watson : 10/20/2016 5:30 pm : link
At this late date, I guess Wing is the PK. If so, will be cheering harder for him to have a great game.

I hope when its 4th down they go for it  
shelovesnycsports : 10/20/2016 5:31 pm : link
on every field goal opportunity. unless it is a game winner opportunity or punt.
I wouldn't claim any moral high ground  
Go Terps : 10/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
It was known that he was a bad guy when he was initially signed. I remember bringing it up here.

They never should have signed him in the first place, but now at this point I think it's kind of crappy that a therapeutic measure he is taking to correct the behavior is now being used as the excuse to dump him.

I take this as PR damage control - nothing more noble than that.
How nice to hear they remain supportive of Brown.  
Devon : 10/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
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RE: I hope when its 4th down they go for it  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/20/2016 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13183015 shelovesnycsports said:
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on every field goal opportunity. unless it is a game winner opportunity or punt.


You'll say that until they keep failing on 4th down.
The guy from game 1 is still on the payroll and under contract  
David B. : 10/20/2016 5:35 pm : link
Payed for the whole season.
It will likely be him.
RE: I wouldn't claim any moral high ground  
Devon : 10/20/2016 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13183016 Go Terps said:
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It was known that he was a bad guy when he was initially signed. I remember bringing it up here.

They never should have signed him in the first place, but now at this point I think it's kind of crappy that a therapeutic measure he is taking to correct the behavior is now being used as the excuse to dump him.

I take this as PR damage control - nothing more noble than that.


Well, if the team's spin is correct, he blatantly lied to them and to the NFL about what his history of abusive behavior was.

As it is, they still aren't cutting him -- they're going to end up cutting some kid on the backend of the roster and take away his game check to keep this scumbag around at least another week.
This is not new to the NFL  
shelovesnycsports : 10/20/2016 5:35 pm : link
There have been games where the Kicker has been injured and other player have had to kick or they have gone for it.
I would rather trust Eli to get the first down then Bullock or any other scrub kicker.
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rmkabadi : 10/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13182999 AcidTest said:
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right move obviously. But I hope they're not going to cut someone just to keep Brown on the roster because they need another kicker. Cut him now. He's never playing for the Giants again, so why wait?


The cut decision is easy - Johnson, the 3rd QB they never needed to begin with
Watch OBJ is the kicker  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
and get's penalized for excessive celebration by holding his hands up after he makes a PAT.

I agree with Go Terps -- Brown should not have been on the team.
Sign this guy  
Pete in MD : 10/20/2016 5:39 pm : link
for a week. He's pretty good at putting the ball through uprights in that stadium.
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RE: I wouldn't claim any moral high ground  
Dennis From Madison : 10/20/2016 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13183016 Go Terps said:
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It was known that he was a bad guy when he was initially signed. I remember bringing it up here.

They never should have signed him in the first place, but now at this point I think it's kind of crappy that a therapeutic measure he is taking to correct the behavior is now being used as the excuse to dump him.

I take this as PR damage control - nothing more noble than that.


Well said
Wing is an Ausie  
shelovesnycsports : 10/20/2016 5:39 pm : link
I am sure he has kicked a few FG even playing around.
RE: RE: I wouldn't claim any moral high ground  
Devon : 10/20/2016 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13183021 Devon said:
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In comment 13183016 Go Terps said:


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It was known that he was a bad guy when he was initially signed. I remember bringing it up here.

They never should have signed him in the first place, but now at this point I think it's kind of crappy that a therapeutic measure he is taking to correct the behavior is now being used as the excuse to dump him.

I take this as PR damage control - nothing more noble than that.



Well, if the team's spin is correct, he blatantly lied to them and to the NFL about what his history of abusive behavior was.

As it is, they still aren't cutting him -- they're going to end up cutting some kid on the backend of the roster and take away his game check to keep this scumbag around at least another week.


I guess I have to rescind this, given Mara just admitting that Brown admitted to them he abused his wife.

Albert Breer‏ @AlbertBreer
Giants owner John Mara on Josh Brown: "He admitted to us he'd abused his wife in the past. What's a little unclear is the extent of that."

Unreal how big of frauds this organization looks like right now.
RE: This is not new to the NFL  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/20/2016 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13183022 shelovesnycsports said:
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There have been games where the Kicker has been injured and other player have had to kick or they have gone for it.
I would rather trust Eli to get the first down then Bullock or any other scrub kicker.


Stop it. Bullock has been an NFL kicker for like 4 years if it's him we will be fine.
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't claim any moral high ground  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2016 5:42 pm : link

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Albert Breer‏ @AlbertBreer
Giants owner John Mara on Josh Brown: "He admitted to us he'd abused his wife in the past. What's a little unclear is the extent of that."

Unreal how big of frauds this organization looks like right now.


+1,000. Wow.
RE: RE: I wouldn't claim any moral high ground  
ron mexico : 10/20/2016 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13183021 Devon said:
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In comment 13183016 Go Terps said:


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It was known that he was a bad guy when he was initially signed. I remember bringing it up here.

They never should have signed him in the first place, but now at this point I think it's kind of crappy that a therapeutic measure he is taking to correct the behavior is now being used as the excuse to dump him.

I take this as PR damage control - nothing more noble than that.



Well, if the team's spin is correct, he blatantly lied to them and to the NFL about what his history of abusive behavior was.

As it is, they still aren't cutting him -- they're going to end up cutting some kid on the backend of the roster and take away his game check to keep this scumbag around at least another week.


The Giants didn't say that Brown lied.

I think they have some questions to answer about their investigation into the matter



You left out a word  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 5:44 pm : link
Bullock has been a *terrible* NFL kicker for 4 years.
So today it all comes spilling out.  
shelovesnycsports : 10/20/2016 5:45 pm : link
9 mins ago - View on Twitter
Giants owner John Mara says he's talked to Josh Brown "several times" today: "I think he's attempted to be honest with us."
RE: So today it all comes spilling out.  
shelovesnycsports : 10/20/2016 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13183037 shelovesnycsports said:
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9 mins ago - View on Twitter
Giants owner John Mara says he's talked to Josh Brown "several times" today: "I think he's attempted to be honest with us."
by Albert Breer
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AcidTest : 10/20/2016 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13183032 RobCarpenter said:
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Albert Breer‏ @AlbertBreer
Giants owner John Mara on Josh Brown: "He admitted to us he'd abused his wife in the past. What's a little unclear is the extent of that."

Unreal how big of frauds this organization looks like right now.



+1,000. Wow.


+10,000. Unreal.
McAdoo is on air now  
adamg : 10/20/2016 5:47 pm : link
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RE: So today it all comes spilling out.  
ron mexico : 10/20/2016 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13183037 shelovesnycsports said:
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9 mins ago - View on Twitter
Giants owner John Mara says he's talked to Josh Brown "several times" today: "I think he's attempted to be honest with us."


It sounds to me like he answered with the bare minimum of detail and they didn't push very hard for the truth.
This is a huge black eye for this franchise  
Anakim : 10/20/2016 5:48 pm : link
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This is going to blow up in someone's face..  
EricJ : 10/20/2016 5:49 pm : link
here is what Rotoworld is reporting about the Giants and NFL knowing...

Giants K Josh Brown will not travel with the team to London for its Week 7 game against the Rams.
Brown beat his wife multiple times, and new evidence came to light Wednesday night and more continues to come out Thursday. The NFL and the Giants said they were "unaware" of the new findings, but it's been revealed this afternoon that the league actually helped Brown's now-ex-wife switch hotel rooms at the Pro Bowl in January after a drunk Brown was pounding on the room door. Brown is certain to be released in the near future. Amazing that it hasn't happened yet.
Josh Brown seems like a sick man and football is his last worry  
Essex : 10/20/2016 5:49 pm : link
But before yesterday
1. The Giants knew his wife had alleged he had beaten her 20 times
2. That he had been arrested for this multiple times before being resigned
3. According to the reports today, he was honest and had told the Giants that he had assaulted his wife.

So, my question is how does a letter radically change the story. The Giants knew he was a bad guy, and if he admitted to it already why did we resign him and why are we taking action today? The Giants made their bed and if they are a classy organization they should not throw this guy to the wolves because some reporter got a letter he had written most likely while seeking help. I am furious the Giants resigned him, think Brown is a sick man who shouldn't be in football, am horrified by the letter, but as a fan I think our owners and GM not only screwed up morally when they resigned him, but screwed our team by leaving us vulnerable to this.

This team is a fucking circus  
Go Terps : 10/20/2016 5:49 pm : link
This hasn't felt like a tight ship in a while.
RE: You left out a word  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/20/2016 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13183036 Greg from LI said:
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Bullock has been a *terrible* NFL kicker for 4 years.


Look I don't love Randy Bullock but he has hit 80% of his field goals in his career. Josh Brown has hit 83%

It is an infinitely better idea than the other suggestions here which include Beckham, Wing and a Rugby Player.
What is Robbie Gould up to  
Essex : 10/20/2016 5:51 pm : link
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Anakim : 10/20/2016 5:51 pm : link
Jeff Feagles ‏@Jfeagles Ridgewood, NJ
In 2011 bears played in London, Robbie Gould played in that game and has a passport... just saying
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