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adamg : 10/20/2016 7:08 pm
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TeamVic
@TeamVic

Let's be clear I never said I stood behind Josh Browns actions, what he admitted to is wrong and I do not stand being domestic abuse in the least bit. As a teammate that's all I know of him, teammate his personal life is exactly that and I stand far away from getting into that.


Sounds like the kind of comment you make about someone who is poised to leave...
There's a bunch of people I work with...  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2016 7:12 pm : link
you have no idea what's going on in their personal lives...still, I would be very surprised to find out that DV is going on behind the scenes, for any 1 of them...even though I shouldn't be.
It's not really fair for the players to have to deal with this, but I  
Devon : 10/20/2016 7:19 pm : link
admit I am curious as to how Eli would comment on this.

He's done multiple campaigns against DA (No More, the Biden one a few years ago, etc)... where exactly would he publicly put himself on this matter? Is his sincerity about the issue as phony as the FO and ownership are coming off as being?
I take that back actually  
adamg : 10/20/2016 7:38 pm : link
looking into it, Pat Leonard quoted Cruz as saying, "As a teammate, I'm behind Josh Brown." Pat painted Cruz as endorsing Brown's behavior, and there was a social media backlash because of Cruz's response to Kaep protest. This was damage control in some ways for Cruz.

This is fucked man.
The social media pile on has commenced  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2016 7:46 pm : link
The behavior is reprehensible and he should be cut. But how many of those people spared a thought for Janay Rice when her livelihood went away? How many actually care that Molly Brown's child support and alimony will dry up? They care to the extent that people witness their preening, then it's on to the next crusade. Does this discourage the next offender, as we hope, or does it discourage the next battered spouse?
RE: It's not really fair for the players to have to deal with this, but I  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2016 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13183123 Devon said:
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admit I am curious as to how Eli would comment on this.

He's done multiple campaigns against DA (No More, the Biden one a few years ago, etc)... where exactly would he publicly put himself on this matter? Is his sincerity about the issue as phony as the FO and ownership are coming off as being?


I think we have an idea. He takes his causes seriously. The man has a wing of a children's hospital with his name on it.
Peyton didn't give two shits  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2016 8:05 pm : link
about his drunk kicker, I dont think Eli will shed a tear at Brown being gone. He will take he high road publicly, but I'm guessing he can't wait for him to leave the team.
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arcarsenal : 10/20/2016 8:07 pm : link
I'm sure Eli cares about it but Eli is obviously going to say whatever causes the least controversy and does the least to throw mud on Brown while he's on his way out the door.
RE: Peyton didn't give two shits  
Devon : 10/20/2016 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13183167 UConn4523 said:
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about his drunk kicker, I dont think Eli will shed a tear at Brown being gone. He will take he high road publicly, but I'm guessing he can't wait for him to leave the team.


What is the high road though?

He attached himself in very public fashion, in ways the vast majority of NFL players didn't, to the cause -- if you can't back that stance when it's in your house or leaving it (so to speak), why should anyone pay or have paid attention to you pretending to care when it's more convenient for you?
The high road would be to say nothing, IMO  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2016 9:24 pm : link
The middle road would be speaking on it and drawing flocks of reporters to your locker every week.

And people think Odell Beckham dancing is a distraction, so imagine what people would think if the QB decided to air out a teammate for domestic violence, regardless of how deserving he might be.
And yet Eli had no problem calling out Beckham in the media.  
Devon : 10/20/2016 9:37 pm : link
Twice now (the second time being somewhat pronoun confusion based, but still never should have been said).

It's fine to stir the pot when it comes to the best player on the team and the guy who has played a large role in reinvigorating your own career having too many on field feelings while everyone in the media is absolutely crushing him, but doing anything but staying silent over a serial wife beating kicker after voluntarily taking a significant public stance against domestic abuse is a bridge too far.
The Giants are embarrassing  
DL_Mechs : 10/21/2016 12:08 am : link
From what Pugh, Cruz and Mara have publicly said, I am pretty embarrassed about their reactions

He should ultimately be cut. I know they want to know everything else first. But there needs to be a stronger message against this rather than "we stand behind him"
everything in the dump stinks.....  
grizz299 : 10/21/2016 5:51 am : link
The Gianst (and the NFL) is going to effectively fire the man.
Effectively the NFL has decided that it's an instrument for social change and prosecutor, judge, jury and Lord High Executioner.
In the rush to political correctness a man's right: to a trial, to innocent until PROVEN guilty, to facing his accussers, and, I'd suggest, to the Preamble's guarantee of right to life, liberty.....AND the pursuit of happiness all count for naught.
The NFL bases the usurpation of basic constitutionally guaranteed rights on the grounds "of brand protection". These are rights that brave men have died for and we ought not to surrender them to an unaccountable bureaucracy. If the Criminal Justice system does not work then we have to reform it, not dispense with it.
"We need to protect our client base...our fans and our sponsors", goes their argument and it's the only basis for the firings/suspensions etc.
The Colin K. incident reveals though that to be a contrived falsehood and misrepresentation. Significant chunks of The NFL client base and "giving" sponsers have been alienated by Colin K's actions and yet the NFL does nothing.
So take "brand protection" off the table as a basis for judging a man, abridging his right and assuming (and obviating) the role of the criminal justice system while The NFL hierarchy adopt the role of the Red Queen:
"Off with his head, sentence now verdict later" And The Mad Hatter and The Cheshire cat grin their grin.
This is dangerous stuff and akin in many ways to the lynchings in the south and the firing of homosexuals in the north on the basis of the de jour social flavour of the moment.
If the tone and tint is different, the abridgement of "innocent until proven guilty by a trial of his peers", is not and we are all poorer and all at risk when the NFL cancels constitutional rights and imperiously decides to replace the criminal justice system.
Were his original comments controversial?  
exiled : 10/21/2016 6:13 am : link
I haven't re-read them, but weren't they along the lines of "He's my teammate, and I want to see him get the help he needs..."?

It's unfortunate that his response would generate a backlash and he felt like he needed to walk it back.
I have no issue with teammates and friends supporting the guy  
PatersonPlank : 10/21/2016 6:23 am : link
until the facts come out or he admits something. What is wrong with that? It sucks that society has become "prosecute on the rumor first" rather than wait for the facts.

Now that he has admitted it, and the facts are there, then cut him if you like. But don't just cut him on a rumor.
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steve in ky : 10/21/2016 6:31 am : link
There is no constitutional right to hold a job with any one particular company.

And of course any business has the right to fire someone if their actions harm their brand.



RE: And yet Eli had no problem calling out Beckham in the media.  
gmenatlarge : 10/21/2016 6:53 am : link
In comment 13183302 Devon said:
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Twice now (the second time being somewhat pronoun confusion based, but still never should have been said).

It's fine to stir the pot when it comes to the best player on the team and the guy who has played a large role in reinvigorating your own career having too many on field feelings while everyone in the media is absolutely crushing him, but doing anything but staying silent over a serial wife beating kicker after voluntarily taking a significant public stance against domestic abuse is a bridge too far.

you must be joking "a bridge too far", Eli was asked about Beckham and his nonsense. If he's asked about Brown I am sure he will reply appropriately. Beckham brought all that crap on himself with his ridiculous behavior.
RE: And yet Eli had no problem calling out Beckham in the media.  
chopperhatch : 10/21/2016 9:22 am : link
In comment 13183302 Devon said:
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Twice now (the second time being somewhat pronoun confusion based, but still never should have been said).

It's fine to stir the pot when it comes to the best player on the team and the guy who has played a large role in reinvigorating your own career having too many on field feelings while everyone in the media is absolutely crushing him, but doing anything but staying silent over a serial wife beating kicker after voluntarily taking a significant public stance against domestic abuse is a bridge too far.


What a dumb comment...world class soap box material. Nobody knows the full involvement of Brown's actions. It's appearing like they were reprehensible, but to get on Eli for not publicly admonishing him and denouncing actions he doesnt evenknow about yet is horse shit.

Eli's responsibility is to comment on football regarding his teammates. Not their personal lives.
Giants should have  
Glover : 10/21/2016 9:23 am : link
dropped Brown the instant they knew of any substantiated evidence that he was beating his woman. I never understood why they allowed him to rejoin the team. It's not like their star QB, WR, or RB they had to replace, he's a KICKER. I also don't understand why Gould lost his job with the Bears. He is a very good kicker, I guess they just didn't want to pay him, and other teams around the NFL felt good with who they had. I'm glad Brown is gone. A kicker is a teammate, but not the same way a fellow DE or RB is. I hope no one like Cruz stuck their neck out in the media in any way for this scumbag, and if they did, they better get into the CB drills and practice their back pedaling.
RE: And yet Eli had no problem calling out Beckham in the media.  
Mad Mike : 10/21/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 13183302 Devon said:
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Twice now (the second time being somewhat pronoun confusion based, but still never should have been said).

It's fine to stir the pot when it comes to the best player on the team and the guy who has played a large role in reinvigorating your own career having too many on field feelings while everyone in the media is absolutely crushing him, but doing anything but staying silent over a serial wife beating kicker after voluntarily taking a significant public stance against domestic abuse is a bridge too far.

What an inane comparison.
i hate social media  
djm : 10/21/2016 9:38 am : link
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Same Here !  
Bluesbreaker : 10/22/2016 10:15 am : link
i hate social media
djm : 10/21/2016 9:38 am : link : reply
..

To now jump on Eli it's amazing how ignorant people can
really be ...
Why do people's twitter comments  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2016 12:33 pm : link
sound incoherent or is that just people that twitter?
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