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Robbie Gould on his way to London to join Giants

Saos1n : 10/20/2016 8:11 pm
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What happened to Josh Brown?  
Route 9 : 10/20/2016 8:33 pm : link
Am I missing something here?
RE: What happened to Josh Brown?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2016 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13183214 Route 9 said:
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Am I missing something here?


Serious post?

They left him in New York. He's done. Not officially cut, but he won't play Sunday.
Skiba has to get a whole uniform together  
Simms11 : 10/20/2016 8:37 pm : link
on the fly, no pun intended!
Only 34  
spike : 10/20/2016 8:38 pm : link
Lots of years left in that leg
RE: I'm  
Matt in SGS : 10/20/2016 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13183202 Big Blue '56 said:
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hearing he's been absolute shit of late. Actually worse than that. But, Kickers do run in cycles


Kickers to run in cycles. Matt Bahr was cut by the Browns because his kickoffs were short and they didn't feel like he had the leg for long field goals. And he came off a poor year in 1989 and was cut at age 34. He worked out pretty well for the Giants.
Well he can't wear number 9  
shelovesnycsports : 10/20/2016 8:41 pm : link
but he can have 6.
Works for me  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 8:44 pm : link
Gould was a good kicker for quite a while. As people have said, even good kickers have dowm years.

Under the circumstances, this is as good as we could have hoped for.
I went to school with a  
Route 9 : 10/20/2016 8:47 pm : link
Rob Gould
Was the only  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2016 8:52 pm : link
Name that came to mind when the story broke...Gould that is. I hope he can just be consistent. But he might change our offensive philosophy more than we know.
nice call by  
SHO'NUFF : 10/20/2016 8:53 pm : link
Feagles.
that is  
mdthedream : 10/20/2016 9:06 pm : link
who we should have brought in a long time ago.
He had a rough preseason  
Les in TO : 10/20/2016 9:24 pm : link
But obviously a great track record with da bears. Best Jewish Giants signing since Geoff Schwartz :)
RE: I'm  
Jay on the Island : 10/20/2016 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13183202 Big Blue '56 said:
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hearing he's been absolute shit of late. Actually worse than that. But, Kickers do run in cycles

Josh Brown also had a down year after being one of the best kickers in football for years and he bounced around before resurrecting his career with the Giants. It does happen quite often hopefully Gould returns to form and is the Giants kicker for the next 5 years.
RE: I'm  
micky : 10/20/2016 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13183202 Big Blue '56 said:
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hearing he's been absolute shit of late. Actually worse than that. But, Kickers do run in cycles


^^ This. Thought that's why he hasn't been picked up. Lost it
RE: RE: RE: I'm  
AcidTest : 10/20/2016 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13183207 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13183204 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13183202 Big Blue '56 said:


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hearing he's been absolute shit of late. Actually worse than that. But, Kickers do run in cycles



Well, taking a flyer on a guy with a chip on his shoulder isn't a bad bet.

50+: 7/9
40-49: 7/9
30-39: 10/12

Those were his misses last year. Also missed 1 XP.

Don't know about his kickoffs.



In what world is that absolute shit?


The world of BBI.
RE: He had a rough preseason  
Les in TO : 10/20/2016 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13183283 Les in TO said:
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But obviously a great track record with da bears. Best Jewish Giants signing since Geoff Schwartz :)
I am mistaken - Robbie is not part of the tribe.
We're  
AcidTest : 10/20/2016 9:36 pm : link
going into game seven, and we are now on our third kicker. Outstanding. Great.
RE: RE: I'm  
Big Blue '56 : 10/20/2016 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13183290 micky said:
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In comment 13183202 Big Blue '56 said:


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hearing he's been absolute shit of late. Actually worse than that. But, Kickers do run in cycles



^^ This. Thought that's why he hasn't been picked up. Lost it


That's what I thought..Curious why the Bears let this guy walk, if he's still anywhere near the top of his game..
RE: We're  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2016 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13183301 AcidTest said:
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going into game seven, and we are now on our third kicker. Outstanding. Great.


I don't think that means much. Brown had to go.
Gould supposedly changed his entire workout regimen  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2016 9:49 pm : link
gained weight went 5 for 6 in oreseason bit missed 2 pats
For his career, he's automatic from 30 yards in......  
Simms11 : 10/20/2016 9:56 pm : link
about 90% from 30 - 39 and then from 40 - 49 about 72%. He's actually a little better over 50 yards at around 74%. He had an XP blocked last year, but for the most part has been around 99%. Statistically not bad and he's been with the Bears for around 11 years.....so he had to do something right.

Good signing as the Giants have an experienced kicker that can hit some long ones with some accuracy. I'm optimistic.
hope  
spike : 10/20/2016 9:59 pm : link
he stays for 8 years
Does any one know why  
Rflairr : 10/20/2016 10:12 pm : link
Josh Scobee isn't even getting tryouts? What happened with him?
LOL at the long term comments  
area junc : 10/20/2016 10:20 pm : link
the guy is 34 years old. da fuq? we'll be lucky if he's still serviceable
RE: LOL at the long term comments  
Jay on the Island : 10/20/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13183364 area junc said:
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the guy is 34 years old. da fuq? we'll be lucky if he's still serviceable

He's a kicker look at Vinatieri, Janikowski, Bryant etc.
Why is he available?  
Vanzetti : 10/20/2016 10:37 pm : link
23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.

Career:

89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49

Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)

Chicken salad out of chicken shit  
mfsd : 10/20/2016 10:51 pm : link
Sometimes new chance and change of scenery help a guy find his groove again
RE: LOL at the long term comments  
Toth029 : 10/20/2016 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13183364 area junc said:
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the guy is 34 years old. da fuq? we'll be lucky if he's still serviceable

Joke post?
Josh  
Toth029 : 10/20/2016 11:26 pm : link
Brown signed with NY when he was 34, FYI.
RE: LOL at the long term comments  
rmkabadi : 10/20/2016 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13183364 area junc said:
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the guy is 34 years old. da fuq? we'll be lucky if he's still serviceable


Kickers have longevity and age is not much of an issue.
Brown  
blue42 : 10/20/2016 11:33 pm : link
missed a chip shot vs Dallas alst year to tie the game.
Lets not get crazy here.
Blast away...  
Bluesbreaker : 10/21/2016 1:24 am : link
I am glad Josh Brown is gone ...
Thankful a proven Vet was available .
Now that every other guy on here thinks that John Mara is
some dumbass that would put the organization into a
situation there in now .
Not a single BBI poster knows exactly how this whole mess
went down . Some of the comments and bashing are over
the top . I doubt any of us will ever know how much
Brown said and to what extent of his criminal acts
that he confessed to Mara or anyone else .
But listening to so many here that really have no idea .
How everything went down . I doubt Mr Mara would take
those kind of chances with a 34 Yo Kicker .
Can't wait till this mess dies down .
Doubting Hammer  
ZogZerg : 10/21/2016 6:45 am : link
..
RE: Why is he available?  
Simms11 : 10/21/2016 7:18 am : link
In comment 13183376 Vanzetti said:
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23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.

Career:

89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49

Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)



Not sure where you got these career numbers, but he's only about 73% from 40-49 and 74% from 50+

Non-the-less not too bad statistically. It's good to have an adequate, experienced kicker anyway.
Bluesbreaker  
joeinpa : 10/21/2016 7:39 am : link
Not knowing how a situation actually went down is no reason not to come to conclusions about said issue. You should know that if you be been paying attention to. Bbi over the years.

Who need to know all the facts when you can state your own opinions as such.
Do the giants send him First Class?  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/21/2016 8:07 am : link
imagine they stuff him in coach
RE: Bluesbreaker  
Essex : 10/21/2016 8:11 am : link
In comment 13183439 joeinpa said:
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Not knowing how a situation actually went down is no reason not to come to conclusions about said issue. You should know that if you be been paying attention to. Bbi over the years.

Who need to know all the facts when you can state your own opinions as such.

Actually, we know exactly what the Giants knew.
Mara admitted Brown told him he abused his wife
His wife had alleged he had hit him 20 different times

What has changed? He wrote a letter where the world got to see what a troubled batterer he really was.

The Giants, who knew all this info, still signed him and then cut and run under pressure for a PR move.

I will remind you also we had NFL kickers in our camps in 2014 and 2015 (Brandon McManus and Boswell). The Giants should never have resigned him on moral grounds, but when they decided to sweep it under the rug and state that they were willing to give him a chance, they shouldn't have cut and run when a therapeutic letter came to the surface detailing conduct Brown already admitted he had committed. The Giants look classless throughout whole thing--first by resigining him and second by be unwilling to stick by that decison when the public found out about it.
RE: Why is he available?  
Stu11 : 10/21/2016 8:54 am : link
In comment 13183376 Vanzetti said:
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23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.

Career:

89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49

Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)

Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.
RE: RE: Why is he available?  
AcidTest : 10/21/2016 8:58 am : link
In comment 13183473 Stu11 said:
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In comment 13183376 Vanzetti said:


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23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.

Career:

89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49

Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)



Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.


Yup.
RE: RE: LOL at the long term comments  
giants#1 : 10/21/2016 9:00 am : link
In comment 13183372 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13183364 area junc said:


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the guy is 34 years old. da fuq? we'll be lucky if he's still serviceable


He's a kicker look at Vinatieri, Janikowski, Bryant etc.


Janikowski's 'only' 38 and had a huge leg so even if he's lost 5+ yards on his kicks, still has an above average leg.

Vinatieri is automatic on FGs, but he hasn't kicked off in a few years.

Gould was better than Brown at forcing TBs, while Brown had the significantly shorter return yards against which could mean the Chicago coverage team sucked or that Brown got better hang time.

Touchbacks
Gould: 39 of 83 (47%)
Brown: 37 for 93 (40%)

Returns
Gould: 39 for 983 yards (~25.2 yards per return)
Brown: 54 for 1,095 yards (~20.3 yards per return)
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Tuckrule : 10/21/2016 9:02 am : link
In comment 13183178 Danny Kanell said:
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Absolute home run and we are lucky a guy of this quality is available.


you guys all realize how poorly he kicked in preseason. He miss xp and short field goals. The bears didnt part with their best kicker of all time because they were doing him a favor. He got beat out and didnt appear to be the robbie gould of old. Lets see if he can find that leg again with us
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Big Blue '56 : 10/21/2016 9:08 am : link
In comment 13183490 Tuckrule said:
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Absolute home run and we are lucky a guy of this quality is available.



you guys all realize how poorly he kicked in preseason. He miss xp and short field goals. The bears didnt part with their best kicker of all time because they were doing him a favor. He got beat out and didnt appear to be the robbie gould of old. Lets see if he can find that leg again with us


In fairness, it was only pre-season and I would think if they didn't feel he was declining (regardless of who they eventually went with) he would have been retained imo..These guys can kick into their 40s
Here's an article...  
Seventh Spiel : 10/21/2016 9:18 am : link
...that goes into some detail about why the Bears cut him.
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RE: Here's an article...  
Big Blue '56 : 10/21/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 13183511 Seventh Spiel said:


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Gould’s 2015 regular season also included devastating misses from 40 and 36 yards in a Dec. 6 overtime home loss to San Francisco and a miss from 50 yards with a chance to tie Washington in regulation the following week.

His fortunes may have hit bottom in Thursday’s win at Cleveland in which Gould missed one extra-point attempt and had a second one blocked. He converted all three of his field goals in the game and was 5-for-6 for the preseason. But throughout this offseason and training camp, his accuracy was inconsistent, something not easily dismissed as meaningless after two stretches last season in which he missed three straight field goals.

The second of those comprised the San Francisco-Washington difficulties. The first also involved not just a miss, but also a costly miss, as Gould was wide-left from 51 yards in a game won by the Minnesota Vikings with a field goal as time expired in regulation.

That's worrisome stuff about Gould's performance the last year  
cosmicj : 10/21/2016 9:43 am : link
It looks like John Fox cut him partly based on what he saw in training camp, which will involve a large sample size of kicks, not just a few misses in high-pressure situations. Gould could be done.

Resigning Brown in the off-season looks like a major mistake by Reese. Stu11's post above is on point.
Correct me if I am wrong  
bigblue1124 : 10/21/2016 10:37 am : link
But this will be the 3rd guaranteed contract this season for a PK? If memory serves me correctly Bullocks contract was guaranteed from week one on the roster, Brown and now Gould?

WTF they really dropped the ball on this one.
And the worst part about it is though people poo poo kickers  
Stu11 : 10/21/2016 10:55 am : link
as the bottom of the roster, this team has won their 3 games by a total of 8 godamn points. We miss a FG in the Saints/Ravens game we most likely lose. 1-5 is a hell of a lot different than 3-3. This team has little to no margin for error and the last thing we want to be doing is playing Russian roulette with kickers...I have defended Reese for years but if this season goes south because we can't give a potential HOF QB 3 seconds to throw the football and we lose 2 games or so because of missed chip shots he takes a huge hit here. Huge.
RE: RE: Why is he available?  
Brown Recluse : 10/21/2016 11:04 am : link
In comment 13183473 Stu11 said:
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In comment 13183376 Vanzetti said:


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23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.

Career:

89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49

Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)



Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.


Exactly.
I'm not worried about Gould  
TheMick7 : 10/21/2016 11:37 am : link
As someone mentioned earlier,we have had success bringing in veteran kickers who were cut elsewhere & thrived here. I'm more concerned about finding a running game this week & putting constant pressure on Keenum to force turnovers!
And the painful irony and decision making  
ColHowPepper : 10/21/2016 11:53 am : link
looks that much more questionable, in retrospect, by not retaining the younger, more upside guy last year.

Agree with Essex: "The Giants look classless throughout whole thing--first by resigining him and second by be unwilling to stick by that decison when the public found out about it."

Classless and clueless
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