I am glad Josh Brown is gone ...
Thankful a proven Vet was available .
Now that every other guy on here thinks that John Mara is
some dumbass that would put the organization into a
situation there in now .
Not a single BBI poster knows exactly how this whole mess
went down . Some of the comments and bashing are over
the top . I doubt any of us will ever know how much
Brown said and to what extent of his criminal acts
that he confessed to Mara or anyone else .
But listening to so many here that really have no idea .
How everything went down . I doubt Mr Mara would take
those kind of chances with a 34 Yo Kicker .
Can't wait till this mess dies down .
Not knowing how a situation actually went down is no reason not to come to conclusions about said issue. You should know that if you be been paying attention to. Bbi over the years.
Who need to know all the facts when you can state your own opinions as such.
Not knowing how a situation actually went down is no reason not to come to conclusions about said issue. You should know that if you be been paying attention to. Bbi over the years.
Who need to know all the facts when you can state your own opinions as such.
Actually, we know exactly what the Giants knew.
Mara admitted Brown told him he abused his wife
His wife had alleged he had hit him 20 different times
What has changed? He wrote a letter where the world got to see what a troubled batterer he really was.
The Giants, who knew all this info, still signed him and then cut and run under pressure for a PR move.
I will remind you also we had NFL kickers in our camps in 2014 and 2015 (Brandon McManus and Boswell). The Giants should never have resigned him on moral grounds, but when they decided to sweep it under the rug and state that they were willing to give him a chance, they shouldn't have cut and run when a therapeutic letter came to the surface detailing conduct Brown already admitted he had committed. The Giants look classless throughout whole thing--first by resigining him and second by be unwilling to stick by that decison when the public found out about it.
23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.
Career:
89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49
Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)
Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.
23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.
Career:
89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49
Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)
Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.
the guy is 34 years old. da fuq? we'll be lucky if he's still serviceable
He's a kicker look at Vinatieri, Janikowski, Bryant etc.
Janikowski's 'only' 38 and had a huge leg so even if he's lost 5+ yards on his kicks, still has an above average leg.
Vinatieri is automatic on FGs, but he hasn't kicked off in a few years.
Gould was better than Brown at forcing TBs, while Brown had the significantly shorter return yards against which could mean the Chicago coverage team sucked or that Brown got better hang time.
Touchbacks
Gould: 39 of 83 (47%)
Brown: 37 for 93 (40%)
Returns
Gould: 39 for 983 yards (~25.2 yards per return)
Brown: 54 for 1,095 yards (~20.3 yards per return) Link - ( New Window )
Absolute home run and we are lucky a guy of this quality is available.
you guys all realize how poorly he kicked in preseason. He miss xp and short field goals. The bears didnt part with their best kicker of all time because they were doing him a favor. He got beat out and didnt appear to be the robbie gould of old. Lets see if he can find that leg again with us
Absolute home run and we are lucky a guy of this quality is available.
you guys all realize how poorly he kicked in preseason. He miss xp and short field goals. The bears didnt part with their best kicker of all time because they were doing him a favor. He got beat out and didnt appear to be the robbie gould of old. Lets see if he can find that leg again with us
In fairness, it was only pre-season and I would think if they didn't feel he was declining (regardless of who they eventually went with) he would have been retained imo..These guys can kick into their 40s
Gould’s 2015 regular season also included devastating misses from 40 and 36 yards in a Dec. 6 overtime home loss to San Francisco and a miss from 50 yards with a chance to tie Washington in regulation the following week.
His fortunes may have hit bottom in Thursday’s win at Cleveland in which Gould missed one extra-point attempt and had a second one blocked. He converted all three of his field goals in the game and was 5-for-6 for the preseason. But throughout this offseason and training camp, his accuracy was inconsistent, something not easily dismissed as meaningless after two stretches last season in which he missed three straight field goals.
The second of those comprised the San Francisco-Washington difficulties. The first also involved not just a miss, but also a costly miss, as Gould was wide-left from 51 yards in a game won by the Minnesota Vikings with a field goal as time expired in regulation.
That's worrisome stuff about Gould's performance the last year Â
It looks like John Fox cut him partly based on what he saw in training camp, which will involve a large sample size of kicks, not just a few misses in high-pressure situations. Gould could be done.
Resigning Brown in the off-season looks like a major mistake by Reese. Stu11's post above is on point.
But this will be the 3rd guaranteed contract this season for a PK? If memory serves me correctly Bullocks contract was guaranteed from week one on the roster, Brown and now Gould?
WTF they really dropped the ball on this one.
And the worst part about it is though people poo poo kickers Â
as the bottom of the roster, this team has won their 3 games by a total of 8 godamn points. We miss a FG in the Saints/Ravens game we most likely lose. 1-5 is a hell of a lot different than 3-3. This team has little to no margin for error and the last thing we want to be doing is playing Russian roulette with kickers...I have defended Reese for years but if this season goes south because we can't give a potential HOF QB 3 seconds to throw the football and we lose 2 games or so because of missed chip shots he takes a huge hit here. Huge.
23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.
Career:
89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49
Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)
Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.
As someone mentioned earlier,we have had success bringing in veteran kickers who were cut elsewhere & thrived here. I'm more concerned about finding a running game this week & putting constant pressure on Keenum to force turnovers!
looks that much more questionable, in retrospect, by not retaining the younger, more upside guy last year.
Agree with Essex: "The Giants look classless throughout whole thing--first by resigining him and second by be unwilling to stick by that decison when the public found out about it."
Joke post?
Kickers have longevity and age is not much of an issue.
Lets not get crazy here.
Thankful a proven Vet was available .
Now that every other guy on here thinks that John Mara is
some dumbass that would put the organization into a
situation there in now .
Not a single BBI poster knows exactly how this whole mess
went down . Some of the comments and bashing are over
the top . I doubt any of us will ever know how much
Brown said and to what extent of his criminal acts
that he confessed to Mara or anyone else .
But listening to so many here that really have no idea .
How everything went down . I doubt Mr Mara would take
those kind of chances with a 34 Yo Kicker .
Can't wait till this mess dies down .
Career:
89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49
Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)
Not sure where you got these career numbers, but he's only about 73% from 40-49 and 74% from 50+
Non-the-less not too bad statistically. It's good to have an adequate, experienced kicker anyway.
Who need to know all the facts when you can state your own opinions as such.
Who need to know all the facts when you can state your own opinions as such.
Actually, we know exactly what the Giants knew.
Mara admitted Brown told him he abused his wife
His wife had alleged he had hit him 20 different times
What has changed? He wrote a letter where the world got to see what a troubled batterer he really was.
The Giants, who knew all this info, still signed him and then cut and run under pressure for a PR move.
I will remind you also we had NFL kickers in our camps in 2014 and 2015 (Brandon McManus and Boswell). The Giants should never have resigned him on moral grounds, but when they decided to sweep it under the rug and state that they were willing to give him a chance, they shouldn't have cut and run when a therapeutic letter came to the surface detailing conduct Brown already admitted he had committed. The Giants look classless throughout whole thing--first by resigining him and second by be unwilling to stick by that decison when the public found out about it.
Career:
89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49
Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)
Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.
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23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.
Career:
89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49
Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)
Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.
Yup.
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the guy is 34 years old. da fuq? we'll be lucky if he's still serviceable
He's a kicker look at Vinatieri, Janikowski, Bryant etc.
Janikowski's 'only' 38 and had a huge leg so even if he's lost 5+ yards on his kicks, still has an above average leg.
Vinatieri is automatic on FGs, but he hasn't kicked off in a few years.
Gould was better than Brown at forcing TBs, while Brown had the significantly shorter return yards against which could mean the Chicago coverage team sucked or that Brown got better hang time.
Touchbacks
Gould: 39 of 83 (47%)
Brown: 37 for 93 (40%)
Returns
Gould: 39 for 983 yards (~25.2 yards per return)
Brown: 54 for 1,095 yards (~20.3 yards per return)
Link - ( New Window )
you guys all realize how poorly he kicked in preseason. He miss xp and short field goals. The bears didnt part with their best kicker of all time because they were doing him a favor. He got beat out and didnt appear to be the robbie gould of old. Lets see if he can find that leg again with us
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Absolute home run and we are lucky a guy of this quality is available.
you guys all realize how poorly he kicked in preseason. He miss xp and short field goals. The bears didnt part with their best kicker of all time because they were doing him a favor. He got beat out and didnt appear to be the robbie gould of old. Lets see if he can find that leg again with us
In fairness, it was only pre-season and I would think if they didn't feel he was declining (regardless of who they eventually went with) he would have been retained imo..These guys can kick into their 40s
Link - ( New Window )
Gould’s 2015 regular season also included devastating misses from 40 and 36 yards in a Dec. 6 overtime home loss to San Francisco and a miss from 50 yards with a chance to tie Washington in regulation the following week.
His fortunes may have hit bottom in Thursday’s win at Cleveland in which Gould missed one extra-point attempt and had a second one blocked. He converted all three of his field goals in the game and was 5-for-6 for the preseason. But throughout this offseason and training camp, his accuracy was inconsistent, something not easily dismissed as meaningless after two stretches last season in which he missed three straight field goals.
The second of those comprised the San Francisco-Washington difficulties. The first also involved not just a miss, but also a costly miss, as Gould was wide-left from 51 yards in a game won by the Minnesota Vikings with a field goal as time expired in regulation.
Resigning Brown in the off-season looks like a major mistake by Reese. Stu11's post above is on point.
WTF they really dropped the ball on this one.
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23 for 29 in FGs from 30-39 yards over the last 4 years. He missed a lot of big kicks.
Career:
89% from 30-39
77% from 40-49
Twenty-five years ago those would have been great numbers but not so today. However, he has been really good from 50+, making 68% (23-31)
Problem is at mid season this is the best you are going to do. A 90% kicker is on someone's roster by now. A spotty kicker has been cut. Where we screwed the pooch was in March. We knew damn well what happened at the pro bowl and knew about his past. We should have never re-signed this scum. The pre-season should have been spent finding a new kicker by having a competent vet compete against a rookie. That's when you have time to do it, not week 7.
Exactly.
Agree with Essex: "The Giants look classless throughout whole thing--first by resigining him and second by be unwilling to stick by that decison when the public found out about it."
Classless and clueless