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Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 8:13 pm
just turning it on now, Knicks down 5 in the 2Q.
from the box score - Sasha started at PG and  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 8:15 pm : link
it looks like KP is having an off night so far.
Hornacek said this is a dress rehearsal (minus Rose)  
bceagle05 : 10/20/2016 8:17 pm : link
so it looks like O'Quinn is the backup C over Hernangomez.
RE: Hornacek said this is a dress rehearsal (minus Rose)  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2016 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13183186 bceagle05 said:
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so it looks like O'Quinn is the backup C over Hernangomez.


I don't think O'Quinn is going to keep that job very long.
Jennings keeps finding the open shooter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2016 8:19 pm : link
with neat passes. I like it.
KOQ is looking better on D so far, though -  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 8:19 pm : link
2 rejections tonight already.
RE: Jennings keeps finding the open shooter  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13183192 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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with neat passes. I like it.


yes, fun to watch and effective.
What a run  
adamg : 10/20/2016 8:37 pm : link
Noah looking awesome
And Lee  
adamg : 10/20/2016 8:38 pm : link
with the exclamation point!
nice run  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 8:39 pm : link
to end the half.
Joey Hoops is knocking em down again for Brooklyn  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 8:40 pm : link
Love it
I dont know what got into KOQ  
Aspano! : 10/20/2016 8:47 pm : link
These last two games, but he's actually making confident decisions with the ball in his hands. Makes a huge difference. Now if only he could avoid dumb mistakes...
lol at leaving Melo unguarded.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2016 8:58 pm : link
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RE: I dont know what got into KOQ  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13183235 Aspano! said:
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These last two games, but he's actually making confident decisions with the ball in his hands. Makes a huge difference. Now if only he could avoid dumb mistakes...


Yup, and in so much better shape too...clearly worked hard this offseason.
Knicks still have a lot of trouble on defense.  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 9:00 pm : link
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Imo,  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2016 9:03 pm : link
With a new team give the vet the nod over the green player. These young players hit a wall in the NBA so let KOQ lose the job. Hernangomez will get his shot. It just doesn't need to be right now. Let this team start to gel because that will take time and hopefully Hernangomez can be a spark when needed.
I agree, Robbie.  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 9:05 pm : link
On another note, a nice thing for me is how the Knicks are moving the ball so willingly. Triangle-like spacing and ball movement.
RE: I agree, Robbie.  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2016 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13183260 yatqb said:
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On another note, a nice thing for me is how the Knicks are moving the ball so willingly. Triangle-like spacing and ball movement.


I didn't get to watch many preseason games but I think, and I am totally guessing here, that when players trust one another that the ball moves more. We've seen this numerous times with Melo. Melo has a label as a ball hog but for those that watch him every game there have been countless times where he has passed a lot to get his teammates in the game and the results were not great so he will revert back to what he knows and that is to shoot. That isn't a negative. He gets paid a shitload of money to shoot. Now, with a better supporting cast the mentality might be to get that ball moving all over the place because you know your teammates are not only going to be able to score but also they will be smart with it. This team should have a high basketball IQ. Noah is one of the better passing bigs. Porzingis is unselfish. We have our best PG ... excuse me, best 2 PGs in a long ass time. Courtney Lee is a great glue guy that doesn't need the ball to be productive but is no slouch with the ball either.
KOQ beasting ..  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 9:15 pm : link
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Knicks up 9 @ 3Q end -  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 9:20 pm : link
a 13-0 run led by Melo and KOQ.
Agreed with all of that. And I think that Kuz will be  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 9:20 pm : link
in the rotation, and he's a guy who is willing to pass the ball but can also hit the open shot. Same with Thomas, Billy and OQ...none are ball hogs..
game a sellout tonight @ Barclay's -  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 9:23 pm : link
saw all the fans on the subway this evening, a lot of Knicks fans came over here to Brooklyn.
refs really calling traveling tonight -  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 9:27 pm : link
did the league send out a memo or something?
Kuzminskas is a really nice player  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 9:37 pm : link
I agree, he'll be in the rotation.
Ron Baker looking like he just stepped out of the '70s ...  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 9:37 pm : link
... esp. compared to, say, Jeremy Lin.
RE: Kuzminskas is a really nice player  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13183303 Greg from LI said:
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I agree, he'll be in the rotation.


I don't disagree, but who loses time because of that - Lance Thomas probably, right? Looks like Lance is with the 3d string tonight.
RE: Ron Baker looking like he just stepped out of the '70s ...  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2016 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13183304 Del Shofner said:
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... esp. compared to, say, Jeremy Lin.


Haha, I was just saying to myself, "He would have been a great character in Dazed and Confused."
Lin with 8 turnovers tonight.  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 9:40 pm : link
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Thomas needs to get his shot back  
Aspano! : 10/20/2016 9:41 pm : link
That's what made him so useful last year. Crazy to think that prior to his injury he was pretty close to having a 50-40-90 year
nets with their starters in knicks with their 3rd string  
nygiants16 : 10/20/2016 9:45 pm : link
lets see if these guys can hold them off
Baker totally looks like he just got back from the moon tower  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 9:48 pm : link
Wooderson gave him a ride in Melba Toast.
Del, likely Thomas, and perhaps Holiday if they play  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 9:48 pm : link
Thomas at SG at times. But Kuz is so good in the open court and can also play halfcourt offense, so imo he's gotta get some run.
Nice sequence there  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 9:51 pm : link
Don't Call Me Willy played good D on Bropez and then Baker had a helluva assist at the other end.

If Brooklyn wantes to win this game, they would put my man Joe Harris back in.
Do we need to cut only 3 guys...cause if so Amundson,  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 9:54 pm : link
Plumlee and Tokoto are the obvious cuts, imo. If one more, Vujacic, although he's playing better this preseason than he did until the latter stages last year.
Or N'Dour, huh?  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 9:54 pm : link
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Yes, I think Baker has shown enough to stick  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2016 9:58 pm : link
I'm pretty sure they'd keep Sasha over N'Dour. Phil loves him for whatever reason.
Knicks win ...  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 10:01 pm : link
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RE: Yes, I think Baker has shown enough to stick  
yatqb : 10/20/2016 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13183341 Greg from LI said:
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I'm pretty sure they'd keep Sasha over N'Dour. Phil loves him for whatever reason.


Yeah, that makes sense, Greg. Although we don't have great depth at PF unless Billy plays some there (and Melo, of course).
My 12 man active roster would be:  
Anakim : 10/20/2016 10:31 pm : link
PG - Rose, Jennings, Randle (3)

SG - Lee, Holiday, Baker, Vujacic (4)

SF - Melo, Thomas, Kuzminskas (3)

PF - Porzingis, O'Quinn (2)

C - Noah, Hernangomez (2)
RE: My 12 man active roster would be:  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 10:37 pm : link
In comment 13183371 Anakim said:
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PG - Rose, Jennings, Randle (3)

SG - Lee, Holiday, Baker, Vujacic (4)

SF - Melo, Thomas, Kuzminskas (3)

PF - Porzingis, O'Quinn (2)

C - Noah, Hernangomez (2)


I count 14 there. If you are going for the 15-man roster, there's room for one more. 12 active on game day.
RE: RE: My 12 man active roster would be:  
Anakim : 10/20/2016 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13183377 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 13183371 Anakim said:


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PG - Rose, Jennings, Randle (3)

SG - Lee, Holiday, Baker, Vujacic (4)

SF - Melo, Thomas, Kuzminskas (3)

PF - Porzingis, O'Quinn (2)

C - Noah, Hernangomez (2)



I count 14 there. If you are going for the 15-man roster, there's room for one more. 12 active on game day.


Yeah, sorry, my bad. I meant my 14 man roster because didn't Phil/Steve Mills say mention the last roster spot may be omitted for salary cap reasons?

Or am I thinking of the Rangers? Haha
they did do that last year, but there was no real extra talent to keep  
Del Shofner : 10/20/2016 10:45 pm : link
- we'll see about this year.
There have been rumors of keeping the 15th spot open...  
manh george : 10/21/2016 2:02 am : link
in part because they can send N'Dour and Plumlee to Westchester on guaranteed contracts. Still doesn't make any sensed to me, with Baker and Randle seemingly fighting for the 15th slot. Both have showed value. Randle looks like a player. Baker surprised me TBH. He actually has some skills and instincts.
Isola with another hatchet job on the Knicks.  
yatqb : 10/21/2016 9:20 am : link
I typically don't read his agenda laden crap...not sure why I bothered today.

If he can't see that the Knicks are moving around freely and passing to the open man more than in the last 5 years he's blind.

And the best unit would have KP at C and Melo at PF? WTF?
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Hornacek  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 9:36 am : link
actually mentioned KP seeing some time at the 5 so on that issue Isola isn't being "nuts"
RE: Hornacek  
nygiants16 : 10/21/2016 9:39 am : link
In comment 13183538 DanMetroMan said:
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actually mentioned KP seeing some time at the 5 so on that issue Isola isn't being "nuts"


i think what hornacek meant was when the knicks start the 2nd quarter with kp and oquinn, kp would technically be the 5...

Hornacek will stagger rose, melo and kp so at least 1 is on the court at all times...

i actually think jennings holiday thomas oquinn kp will be a good lineup starting the 2nd
RE: RE: Hornacek  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 9:42 am : link
In comment 13183547 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13183538 DanMetroMan said:


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actually mentioned KP seeing some time at the 5 so on that issue Isola isn't being "nuts"



i think what hornacek meant was when the knicks start the 2nd quarter with kp and oquinn, kp would technically be the 5...

Hornacek will stagger rose, melo and kp so at least 1 is on the court at all times...

i actually think jennings holiday thomas oquinn kp will be a good lineup starting the 2nd


No after the previous game he was asked about who the backup 5 was and he said they had a few guys who will see time at the 5 and mentioned KP. It wasn't like he said he will be there all the time. It was a throwaway line but it did sound like on occasion that could be the lineup for minutes at a time.
Why would anyone read Isola anymore??  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 9:44 am : link
Since he gets nothing from Phil at all, the only thing he has left is his bitterness. Who enjoys reading that?
RE: game a sellout tonight @ Barclay's -  
VenteSette : 10/21/2016 9:57 am : link
In comment 13183281 Del Shofner said:
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saw all the fans on the subway this evening, a lot of Knicks fans came over here to Brooklyn.


A lot of Knicks fans live in Brooklyn.
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 9:58 am : link
actually hope to hit up some Nets games this season. I figure the prices should be MUCH better than the Knicks.
if nothing else, tickets should be much easier to come by  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2016 10:06 am : link
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Dan, of course KP will play some 5...but "the best lineup"?  
yatqb : 10/21/2016 10:12 am : link
C'mon. KP's a 4 right now who can play the 5, and Noah is a good defensive and rebounding C who is also a great passer. How can he not be in our best starting lineup...unless Isola has an agenda, which we know he does.
Unless KP is able to hold a lot of extra weight  
Aspano! : 10/21/2016 10:14 am : link
and maintain his athletic ability, he should be a 4 for the next 10+ years
Yup, Aspano.  
yatqb : 10/21/2016 10:16 am : link
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To  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 10:16 am : link
be clear I'm 100% not defending Isola. I was just mentioning apparently he will play some 5.
Hahn  
DanMetroMan : 10/21/2016 10:17 am : link
just posted this

"We still haven't seen what the Knicks will be this season. Opening night will be the first time the starting five is whole. But the two concerns both myself and Phil Jackson had were health and depth. The first will always remain an issue. The second, however, is very intriguing with some young guys like Hernangomez and Kuzminskas and even Ron Baker. O'Quinn is a vet you can trust so I see him getting the early nod at backup center and Jennings looked like he found his swagger and maybe the perfect role for him as first guard off the bench. But Hornacek really liked the chemistry and pace the second unit guys played with in the preseason. That can be a difference maker on most nights, especially in back to backs.
Underrated stat from the preseason: Melo was 53% from 3PT range in five games. So many catch-and-shoot opportunities for him now with ball-dominant guards getting dribble penetration.
The last question to answer is how long will it take Derrick Rose to re-acclimate with the team?
OK I lied. The biggest question that remains is: will this team be able to defend?:
RE: Dan, of course KP will play some 5...but  
giants#1 : 10/21/2016 10:18 am : link
In comment 13183600 yatqb said:
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C'mon. KP's a 4 right now who can play the 5, and Noah is a good defensive and rebounding C who is also a great passer. How can he not be in our best starting lineup...unless Isola has an agenda, which we know he does.


The flip side is that you could argue Melo's best position is PF and playing KP at the 5 would be a massive mismatch since C's won't want to guard him out on the perimeter. If you get a solid 3 and D guy at the 3, you won't lose a ton defensively. Could be the 'best' lineup for certain matchups at least.

I agree about both points.  
yatqb : 10/21/2016 10:22 am : link
1. Defense will be a challenge for this team.

2. The Knicks depth will be an advantage for them, as they can run a second unit that can get the job done and keep the one's fresh. Not that the talent is equivalent, but I loved it back in the day when Cazzie, Stallworth, Memminger and Bowman would come in and just expand leads.
Anyone else interested in Ben Bentil?  
Anakim : 10/21/2016 1:27 pm : link
I liked him coming into the Draft
Robin Lopez blocked 6 shots last night  
Anakim : 10/21/2016 1:29 pm : link
Impressive
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